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I doubt Sezer was ever a chance to come back. I heard there was a major falling out between him and a lot at the club including Grub. 

And let’s wait a few more games before we hail him King. It’s only early in the year. 

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hounddog - 1 Apr 2024 7:19 PM
It is slightly harder starting but the stat's show Salmon is not as good as Mann and Curran.

Curran zero errors in 4 games the other guys 2 errors in 4 games which is too many.

I didn't list penalties but that stat also isn't good for Salmon.

The stat's back up what my eyes are seeing the other 2 guys are better players than Salmon.

He isn't a starting lock, he isn't in my top 17, one or 2 injuries and he is definitely in the 17. Most of his NRL career to date has been like that.

Those stats really show how poor Salmon has been. I even dug a little deeper. Salmon isn’t engaging the line or pushing players into line breaks. Maybe there is something more the stats don’t show. Maybe Salmon gets the ball to Hutch or Burton quicker than the others. I highly doubt that though.

 Defensively he looks poor as well. Maybe he is doing the extras that aren’t shown in the stats. But I find it hard to back him now. Although it will be interesting to see his stats at seasons end. 

You definitely convinced me on Salmon for now. Curran to lock and Mann bench lock. Salmon utility.

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dman2018 - 1 Apr 2024 9:24 PM
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And easier to score on the left cos D is focused on the right... We score more tries on the left with a decent 7 controlling the right and middle... 

Not controlling as such, but attracting more attention...
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dman2018 - 1 Apr 2024 9:16 PM
hounddog - 1 Apr 2024 9:12 PM

But we've utterly bombed more on the right... Been unlucky not get more on the left .. 

And easier to score on the left cos D is focused on the right... We score more tries on the left with a decent 7 controlling the right and middle... 
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hounddog - 1 Apr 2024 9:06 PM
dman2018 - 1 Apr 2024 8:49 PM

I've only seen the highlights...

IMO Sezer has the ability to be a top half and his is a naturally skilled kicker..

Dogs needed to do a better job of developing him. At the time his manager didn't help matters, There was some breakdown of communication.

At Canberra Sticky was a tough task master. 

Woulda coulda etc... There's a reason he went to England... And a reason the tigers were the only interested party for realistically one year
... I will say he's good at kicking a field goal .. 

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hounddog - 1 Apr 2024 9:12 PM
dman2018 - 1 Apr 2024 9:05 PM

Our trys this season have been fairly evenly split between left and right.

But we've utterly bombed more on the right... Been unlucky not get more on the left .. 
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dman2018 - 1 Apr 2024 9:05 PM
Much like Rd 1-20 last year and all.the year before, our opponents know they only need to focus pressure on our left side attack... On the right just number up...

Our trys this season have been fairly evenly split between left and right.
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hounddog - 1 Apr 2024 6:51 PM

Yep... He has those 1 or 2 very good games a year... His general play kicking after they got back in front was very poor... 

I've only seen the highlights...

IMO Sezer has the ability to be a top half and his is a naturally skilled kicker..

Dogs needed to do a better job of developing him. At the time his manager didn't help matters, There was some breakdown of communication.

At Canberra Sticky was a tough task master. 
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Much like Rd 1-20 last year and all.the year before, our opponents know they only need to focus pressure on our left side attack... On the right just number up...

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hounddog - 1 Apr 2024 6:51 PM
Sezer very good for the Tigers, not surprised I wanted to sign him. I was disappointed when he left the Dogs, not as disappointed as when we let Thurston go. Also disappointed with the retirement and loss of f9rm from Sherwin.

All up 3 big reasons why we haven't had a top quality half for a while.  All decisions made around the same time. 

Yep... He has those 1 or 2 very good games a year... His general play kicking after they got back in front was very poor... 

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Micko - 1 Apr 2024 1:08 PM
I like that Ciro is creating a good defensive outfit. Changes will hurt that so moving players around is a terrible idea. 

Salmon is fantastic defensively and feeds the ball well to the halves. He has to start at 13. Curran and Mann give us that point of difference. Best staying off the bench
Changes this week are difficult with as many changes required by injury...

Salmon doesn't run the ball anywhere near enough when in the forwards, and has little impact when he does...


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hounddog - 1 Apr 2024 6:51 PM
Sezer very good for the Tigers, not surprised I wanted to sign him. I was disappointed when he left the Dogs, not as disappointed as when we let Thurston go. Also disappointed with the retirement and loss of f9rm from Sherwin.

All up 3 big reasons why we haven't had a top quality half for a while.  All decisions made around the same time. 

Yeah like you, i also was disappointed losing Sezer originally and then not going after him before his move to the Raiders and even last year when we both mentioned it.

Especially since we are warming up the spot for our younger guys to come through.

I still think Hutch can do this role but i think Sezer has proven he can do it and at a better level. 

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It is slightly harder starting but the stat's show Salmon is not as good as Mann and Curran.

Curran zero errors in 4 games the other guys 2 errors in 4 games which is too many.

I didn't list penalties but that stat also isn't good for Salmon.

The stat's back up what my eyes are seeing the other 2 guys are better players than Salmon.

He isn't a starting lock, he isn't in my top 17, one or 2 injuries and he is definitely in the 17. Most of his NRL career to date has been like that.
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Stat's.

Week 1     meters   tackles  missed/t  errors
Salmon     41           35               2            1
Mann         113        35               0            0
Curran         97        39                3           0

Week 2
Salmon    55            26       0   0
Mann        73           35       1    0
Curran      95           40        2   0

Week 3
Salmon    81           27       1     0
Mann        96           35       2     1
Curran     126           30      1     0

Week 4 
Salmon    72            31       6      1
Mann       107         27        0       1
Curran     136         29        1       0


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Injuries and suspensions force our hand this week, we need to replace Fox, Morrin and Preston.

Wilson for Fox is the easy change. 

IMO Curran has done enough to earn a starting spot.



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Sezer very good for the Tigers, not surprised I wanted to sign him. I was disappointed when he left the Dogs, not as disappointed as when we let Thurston go. Also disappointed with the retirement and loss of f9rm from Sherwin.

All up 3 big reasons why we haven't had a top quality half for a while.  All decisions made around the same time. 
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Marki - 1 Apr 2024 1:57 PM
Micko - 1 Apr 2024 1:06 PM

This makes sense.

That’s what I think will happen. And I understand why. I don’t agree with the team that started the season. But it’s predictable what Cirro will do. 

My team personally. 

Fullback Critta
Wingers Fox and Kiraz
Centres Tracey and Xeri
Halves Burton and Sexton
Props Knight and King with Farmer and Hughes bench
Edge forwards Kiks and Presto
Locks Salmon and Curran bench
Utility Mann and Hutchinson. 


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Micko - 1 Apr 2024 1:06 PM
The game is to be better defensively. We are doing that. As Ciro said in the press conference. We let in two easy try’s. Stop those and we win easy. 

That’s the main reason why I can’t imagine any changes. Wilson for fox. KK for Presto. Farmer for Morrin. Like for like snd obviously can play to the defensive structure Ciro wants. 

This makes sense.
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I like that Ciro is creating a good defensive outfit. Changes will hurt that so moving players around is a terrible idea. 

Salmon is fantastic defensively and feeds the ball well to the halves. He has to start at 13. Curran and Mann give us that point of difference. Best staying off the bench

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The game is to be better defensively. We are doing that. As Ciro said in the press conference. We let in two easy try’s. Stop those and we win easy. 

That’s the main reason why I can’t imagine any changes. Wilson for fox. KK for Presto. Farmer for Morrin. Like for like snd obviously can play to the defensive structure Ciro wants. 

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hounddog - 31 Mar 2024 9:57 PM
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Mann is a good player in attack and defence. 

Our problem is guys trying to solve the problem in attack by themselves and doing too much.

No problem with Mann at first receiver he throws a good long pass, but if the halves are calling for the ball he should pass it to them.

If the halves are not set up for a play then ad lib.

I want to see what the team can achieve if we become well organised and work together, taking more good  options. Get the ball to Kiks and Taaffe at the right times, we should be able score enough points. 

Not sure that the guys can get our act together, as per the defence, we need a style and an identity.
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A bit of jinking can draw defenders to Mann providing the opportunity to pass to a guy in space. Taaffe and some of our backs should be running off him. Fast guys through a gap in the middle. If he simply jinks at slow speed and no one makes a run it will not do much.

I have noticed Taaffe positioning himself to run off Hutch once or twice that went close to working. I also don't mind wingers occasionally drifting in field and looking for a gap up the middle.

We can't simply be a threat on the edges, down mainstreet is where the big boys are often tired and slow to move.

I want to see what Jason Taylor has to offer as an attacking coach, I am hoping he knows what we should be doing. 


We are definitely better than in previous seasons, but still not at the level id like to see us in attack.

I feel as though the ball is not going to our halves sufficiently enough in the attacking zone. I can understand some autopilot play with Mahoney to middle forwards between the 30m zones or inside our 30. But inside the attacking third, we cant afford for Burton and Hutch not calling for the ball and getting their hands on it. 

Hutch seems to get himself involved more tyan Burton and hence the reason i feel he deserves a halves spot ahead of Burton.

But our whole attacking mindset must change in that final third and forwards should be considered as decoys first and support players second. There shouldnt be more than 1 settler run. 

I do agree that Mann jinking in the middle of the park with support players bursting through can catch some lazy defenders in the middle, and we need to work on this more. 

We seem to just setup for a left or right sweep play with our fringes as our only attacking hope and when that fails,  its the final kick as our crescendo.

We need more than that to get to the next level. The eyes of the top halves light up when they get ball inside the opposition 30m. They are disapointed when they dont setup tries before their kicks. We tend to work towards our kick. 
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Sticky sometimes does a very entertaining presser.

I want Canberra to lose for the after match entertainment.
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dman2018 - 31 Mar 2024 6:11 PM

I tend to agree with this.
Mann does alot of jinking (sometimes too much).
He wouldn't look out of sorts in the centres and probably should have the first optiom to play there while we had injuries and HIAs.

He needs to cut oit some of that jinking coz at times he looks like he jinks back towards the player he just beat.

Mann is a good player in attack and defence. 

Our problem is guys trying to solve the problem in attack by themselves and doing too much.

No problem with Mann at first receiver he throws a good long pass, but if the halves are calling for the ball he should pass it to them.

If the halves are not set up for a play then ad lib.

I want to see what the team can achieve if we become well organised and work together, taking more good  options. Get the ball to Kiks and Taaffe at the right times, we should be able score enough points. 

Not sure that the guys can get our act together, as per the defence, we need a style and an identity.
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A bit of jinking can draw defenders to Mann providing the opportunity to pass to a guy in space. Taaffe and some of our backs should be running off him. Fast guys through a gap in the middle. If he simply jinks at slow speed and no one makes a run it will not do much.

I have noticed Taaffe positioning himself to run off Hutch once or twice that went close to working. I also don't mind wingers occasionally drifting in field and looking for a gap up the middle.

We can't simply be a threat on the edges, down mainstreet is where the big boys are often tired and slow to move.

I want to see what Jason Taylor has to offer as an attacking coach, I am hoping he knows what we should be doing. 


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hounddog - 31 Mar 2024 4:42 PM

Mann should have gone to centre both times...

I tend to agree with this.
Mann does alot of jinking (sometimes too much).
He wouldn't look out of sorts in the centres and probably should have the first optiom to play there while we had injuries and HIAs.

He needs to cut oit some of that jinking coz at times he looks like he jinks back towards the player he just beat.
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Fair point, the problem I have is the lack of cover in the outside backs or spine with injury/HIA.

We where pretty unlucky both times Fox got injured and it definitely cost us. There are 4 spine players + 4 outside backs who can potentially get injuries/HIA and 5 forwards on the field + at least 3 on the bench. Forwards are more likely to get involved in big collisions.

Making it even trickier for us, Farmer, Hughes and Knight can't play big minutes.

We have a good young player Samarini who looks like an ideal guy to cover backrow and centre off the bench, but he is a bit too young / inexperienced to pick at this stage. 

Lachlan Vale racked up 45 tackles playing second row in reserve grade, don't know much about him.

Against the Chooks we definitely need Farmer, Knight and Hughes, but we also need fit high workrate players to cancel that out.

Our forwards don't have the minutes to carry a specialist back on the bench, injury / HIA is then a big risk. Next time we will need to try Mann in the centres, that may work better than Salmon...

While I don't rate Salmon's running or passing in the middle or centre, I think it might work out in the backrow. If he is hitting a hole he doesn't  necessarily need footwork and he runs hard enough. Passing to his centre partner or dropping the centre under suits his passing.  Even a pass to the winger is within his range.

If we keep him at lock we might play Curran on the edge. I would not do that but Cirro might.

Mann should have gone to centre both times...
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If we keep the same side, I would definitely cut down the number of plays where the lock plays first receiver, and/or stand Hutch deeper and move the ball faster.

Marhoney needs to straighten up his game especially in the middle of the field at the opponent's end.

The lock and hooker slowly running across field with a shallow attacking formation gave the opponent's plenty of time to get their line set and move up. Worse still our players tend to get confused as to when to time their runs and often got the ball standing still.

I am sure that the coaches can devise a training drill to sort this out, one that involves a timer and sit ups for punishment. If I was playing that would get me passing fast and running hard, I hate situps.


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hounddog - 31 Mar 2024 9:40 AM

Bloody terrible news re Presto...
The Fish to edge makes sense... It makes even more sense if long term plan is Curran to 13... 
I do not like these left wing ideas of playing guys like Kiraz out of position... He's way too valuable at centre or wing...

Fair point, the problem I have is the lack of cover in the outside backs or spine with injury/HIA.

We where pretty unlucky both times Fox got injured and it definitely cost us. There are 4 spine players + 4 outside backs who can potentially get injuries/HIA and 5 forwards on the field + at least 3 on the bench. Forwards are more likely to get involved in big collisions.

Making it even trickier for us, Farmer, Hughes and Knight can't play big minutes.

We have a good young player Samarini who looks like an ideal guy to cover backrow and centre off the bench, but he is a bit too young / inexperienced to pick at this stage. 

Lachlan Vale racked up 45 tackles playing second row in reserve grade, don't know much about him.

Against the Chooks we definitely need Farmer, Knight and Hughes, but we also need fit high workrate players to cancel that out.

Our forwards don't have the minutes to carry a specialist back on the bench, injury / HIA is then a big risk. Next time we will need to try Mann in the centres, that may work better than Salmon...

While I don't rate Salmon's running or passing in the middle or centre, I think it might work out in the backrow. If he is hitting a hole he doesn't  necessarily need footwork and he runs hard enough. Passing to his centre partner or dropping the centre under suits his passing.  Even a pass to the winger is within his range.

If we keep him at lock we might play Curran on the edge. I would not do that but Cirro might.
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hounddog - 31 Mar 2024 9:40 AM
Some players out of the Chooks clash.
Foxy - concussion- 1-2 weeks.
Morrin- suspended- 2 weeks.
Preston- fractured jaw - 3-4 weeks.
We are forced to make changes and cover Preston longer term. 
Wilson for Foxy is the easy change.
IMO Farmer starting and Knight back to the bench.
I would move Salmon to right edge backrower and start Curran.
If we are going to gamble on Sexton, Salmon will help him, we don't want Sexton teamed up with a rookie backrower.
We need to find one more high workrate player for the bench who can also cover backrow, if KK is available he would be first choice followed by Edwards.
The left field suggestion would be Xerri gambling on him or Kiraz filling in in the forwards if necessary.

Bloody terrible news re Presto...
The Fish to edge makes sense... It makes even more sense if long term plan is Curran to 13... 
I do not like these left wing ideas of playing guys like Kiraz out of position... He's way too valuable at centre or wing...
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Some players out of the Chooks clash.
Foxy - concussion- 1-2 weeks.
Morrin- suspended- 2 weeks.
Preston- fractured jaw - 3-4 weeks.
We are forced to make changes and cover Preston longer term. 
Wilson for Foxy is the easy change.
IMO Farmer starting and Knight back to the bench.
I would move Salmon to right edge backrower and start Curran.
If we are going to gamble on Sexton, Salmon will help him, we don't want Sexton teamed up with a rookie backrower.
We need to find one more high workrate player for the bench who can also cover backrow, if KK is available he would be first choice followed by Edwards.
The left field suggestion would be Xerri gambling on him or Kiraz filling in in the forwards if necessary.
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dman2018 - 30 Mar 2024 6:33 PM
hounddog - 30 Mar 2024 5:31 PM

7exys kicking game is far superior to Hutchs... And Hutch ain't organising sh1t...

Hutch has kicked pretty well the last couple of weeks. 

I can't remember how Sexty kicked last season. 

I don't know why Cirro initially preferred Hutch apparently it was a close call. 

I think we are over compensating for last season so Cirro is favouring good defenders.

I don’t think the poor performance against Souths was all on one guy.  Marhoney and Mann stuffed a lot of things up and wasted a lot of time before Hutch got the ball...

But when we get slow ball to Hutch in space him running is a bad option, that is the sort of thing we need to sort out.
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