mouflonrouge that is true but the left dont care about the practical consequences of policies, they are more concerned about good intentions and signalling their virtue to the UN. The last time Labor withdrew LNP border policies their was a slew of boat arrivals which resulted in thousands of deaths and tens of thousands locked up in immigration centres. Of course whenever a boat sank just shrugged their shoulders like it was nothing, but when under the LNP watch an asylum seeker died in PNG there was an massive outpouring of confected grief and fake candlelight vigils to voice their great hurt and displeasure with the successful LNP policies. Perhaps it was just cartharsis for reducing people who died at sea to a mere statistic, not worthy of their great compassion, but more likely it was just dirty, gutter politics.

Bottom line is you can’t trust the left to run borders, it will always lead to choas, disaster, death and tragedy. They would rather innocent people would die than admit the LNP was right.

That's because they're selfish people. Any argument put by them about depriving "genuine refugees an opportunity"  or being worried about deaths at sea is completely disingenuous.

We are all selfish people, Jules. We are rather the latest smartphone, when we could easily send our money to a starving African village to feed it for a month. The idea that people on the right are selfish, while those on the left are full of compassion and virtue is what’s disingenuous. Often the benchmark for compassion is usually slightly more than whatever the conservatives are currently doing . For example we take about 18,000 refugees a year, but according to the left it isn’t enough, we should take more, about 25,000 should do the trick. In NZ their PM Jacinta Adern, has won the admiration of the left globally for offering to take 150 off Manus. Usually the formula goes something like this;. Whatever the conservatives are doing + 5% = moral superiority.

But would you agree that foreign aid is part of the solution?  Surely building a school or training teachers or nurses or doctors or any number of a thousand things you could do to help a country would be better than doing nothing.

And no Rusty I don't want to get into an argument about how the money doesn't get to the right people, how it's a waste, how it doesn't help.  I always find arguments against foreign aid like a metaphorical crutch to help people believe that not helping is the right thing to do.  

sadly this appears to be the case and this undermines the left so much.

They seem to be very flippant about the Death at Seas problem and just shrug their shoulders when the LNP put an end to it. Now they want to go back to Deaths at Sea and they think this is humane.

But they don't release any information about boats intercepted, how would you know there is/isn't deaths at sea?

-PB

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1617/Quick_Guides/BoatTurnbacks

Boat arrivals since 1976 by calendar year

You’re right mouflonrouge the left know that opening the borders will lead to drowning and deaths, they argue it’s inhumane not for compassionate reasons but because they are trying to neutralise the coalitions policy success. As I said before they would prefer innocent people die than admit the LNP got it right, I’m not being at all facetious.

I’m all for foreign aid but not when we’re in deep deficit or suffocting in debt. Also a countries responsibilities is primarily towards its own citizens than those of other countries, so if we are going to invest the citizens of other countries there ought to be something given in return, like preferential trade treatment, access to resources and so on, that will benefit its own citizens. People crap on about how wealthy we are, but the average GDP of each person is more like that of a renter struggling to save for a mortgage, and we have a shit load of problems in our own backyard we should be taking care of. Foreign aid can also create a kind of codependency where governments refrain from implementing serious economic reform to facilitate self suffiency, instead they go cap in hand to big brother expecting a pay day.

Nothing for 2015/2016 lol, let alone 17/18

-PB

You forgot about tHe FaRMerS something something CONSTITUTION.

-PB

Anything under "Operation Sovereign Borders" is classified info. Of course there are also boats of that have been reported for example:

1.  The Vietnamese that arrived in the Daintree a couple of months ago
2.  The Chinese that arrived from PNG in August last year
3. The Sri Lankans that made the Cocos islands lagoon in 2016

So rather than admitting the LNP policies are extremely successful mcjules and paulbagz resort to clutching at straws and paranoid conspiracy theories to rationalise the LNP's policy success in this area.  They wouldn't publicly admit it but like most of the left would love to see the boats start back up again, even if it meant thousands of people drowning, because they could then claim the LNP's immigration and border policies had failed and it would no longer be a major vote grabber for the Liberals.  You just can't trust the left, on the surface they exude moral virtue and compassion, but under the facade they have cruel, black hearts and an unquenchable thirst for power.  

I just had to check who posted this 

But they're not reporting those numbers....

That's not a conspiracy, it's literally in the link you posted, as to where the numbers are sourced from and up to 2015.

-PB

You must be either blind or stupid.  The data for 2015/16 is that there was ZERO boat arrivals.  The report was published in Jan 2017, therefore no data for calendar or financial year 2016/17 was published.  
You have a choice paulbagz.  You can choose to be disingenuous and continue to spruik conspiracy theories, implying that there's this armada of boat arrivals landing daily and asylum seekers are stacked head to toe filling up our immigration centres, and that the government is covering it all up.  Or you can admit that the coalitions policies work, even though you may morally disagree with them.  But if you prefer to believe in conspiracy theories to avoid political realities, that really goes to the heart of your character and competency as a human being.  

Certainly does seem like boats have arrived. If boats are still getting turned back, people are still risking their lives at sea :crying:
https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/getfacts/statistics/operation-sovereign-borders-offshore-detention-statistics/

This is just blatantly untrue with not a single shred of evidence to show otherwise.  Some people prefer to delude themselves and than accept the truth.

All figures are cited. Nothing untrue about them. The "stop the boats" thing is spin

You’re confusing turnbacks with arrivals. The odd boat turback here and there affirms that the coalitions policies are working. Its natural that the people smugglers would want to test the waters every now and then, to signal if there has been any change or capitulation in government policy, they are running a business after all. In fact they probably offer their clients refund in the event the boats are turned back around, a crude kind of “no win no fee” like the lawyers offer. And something does not have to be absolute in order to accepted as true, the public is at least smart enough to recognise that the statistics support the fact that the coalitions policies are successful. It takes a hardcore lefty with severe case of truth deprivation syndrome to treat the statistics with such contempt.

One thing is for sure, when Labor get back in the people smugglers will get the wind in their sails and the boats will come again like no other. It will be an armada of rickety boats as far as the eye can see, and the left will go back to shrugging their shoulders and not giving a fuck whenever one sinks.

Theres no doubt the boats are effectively stopped.  Yes the occasional straggler might get through but the people smuggling game is over.  For now.

You'd have to be a partisan as Rusty to not see that.

As for your false flag garbage above Rusty, you have got to be kidding.  I thought lunatics that peddled that crap existed only in the US but here you are.  

See even Muz agrees with me the peoole smugglers has stopped seeeee.

Game over Julz when people on your own side slap you down it’s time to admit defeat

Oh dear hahahha

MY REALITY IS THE ONLY REALITY

-PB

The boat turn back policy might work to an extent (and I don't completely disagree with it) but the point is desperate people are still trying. What the government are doing to people on Manus and Nauru? That's deplorable.

I was actually a supporter of the Malaysia solution which would have been just as effective and much more humane, if only Tones hadn't opposed it for political points.

What Mcjulsie was meant to say is “i was actually a supporter of the Labor solution”

The Labor solution was just Labor’s attempt to put their fingerprints on border policy, so they could claim it as their own policy. The easiest thing to do woudlve been to restore the pacific solution but that woudlve given points to the coalition, so they conjured some bizarre people smuggling arrangement with Malaysia, who weren’t even signatories to the UN convention. It most likely would’ve failed anyway as it woudlve created a pull factor for asylum seekers/economic migrants into Malaysia so they might be one of the lucky ones who gets selected for the people smuggling operation into Australia and then everything would’ve gone tits up when Malaysia pulled out from the programme.

Yes I was. It was a far more humane plan the "pacific solution". We can see the consequences of such a cruel plan now. In 10 years time we'll have the PM fronting parliament with a national apology for what they've done in our name.

Yes they will be issuing  a national apology the victims and their families who drowned at sea.

Wasn't part of the labor solution to reopen Manus in 2012?

I'm with Rusty on this one: most people who claim concern over human rights issues in regards to offshore detention only seem to care when the liberals are in power. Same with same sex marriage.

After the Malaysia solution was defeated by the high court and they didn't have the numbers to fix that in parliament.

If you think people are happy with Labor supporting the current asylum seeker policy (Manus and Nauru) you're very wrong. It's actually a pretty major issue for many in terms of voting for them.

Its worth noting that even the Greens thought the Malaysia solution was heinous and voted against it. In fact there are people who think that the idea of borders is deeply inhumane and disgusting.  I personally think that resettling 18,000 every year and freeing up our immigration centres, as well as offering people sanctuary on a tropical island and stopping people smuggling and boat sinking is extremely generous for which we get absolutely no kudos.  Some people hard to please I suppose.