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The Malaysia 'solution' was a shit show anyway. From memory Malaysia was going to take 800 refugees only. Australia was then going to resettle 2(?) refugees for every one they rejected. Something like that anyway. The whole thing was predicated on the hope that the people smugglers would stop based on the deal. In reality all the people smugglers had to do was bring more than 800 people to Australia and the whole thing would have fallen apart after Malaysia said we've got our 800 thanks very much. Now having said all that these people that are locked away for more than 5 years now, that is just inhumane. Move them out or bring them here but they can't leave them there.
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I think it was 4,000 of theirs for 800 of ours. People smugglers would've easily exploited it, like most socialist Labor ideas they sound good in theory until they are exposed to real world conditions.
Of those currently detained the government has found them not to be genuine refugees, but they are given the choice of going home or staying in detention and they have made their choice. If our government capitulates it will just signal to the people smugglers that if economic migrants hold out long enough eventually the government will cave and let them in, and the boats will start back up again. Sometimes its best to maintain a firm hand to avoid more serious humanitarian issues such as pervasive and unnecessary loss of life and rampant people exploitation.
Seriously the idea that open borders and unfettered refugee intake which will have so many tragic consequences is compatible with humanitarian ideals and human rights is sick and morally repugnant. The left need to spend more time planting trees and less time getting involved with borders if they want to make a compassion contribution to this area.
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Bahahahhahahahahaha NSW Young Nationals resign amid investigation over alleged white supremacist group links Alt-Right Australia member Clifford Jennings. Picture: FacebookMore than a dozen NSW Young Nationals members have resigned in protest as the party undertakes an “urgent” investigation into whether people with alleged links to white supremacist groups are infiltrating the organisation. The NSW Nationals executive received a letter today containing the resignation of “a number of members”, understood to be around 15 people. The Australian was told the members involved were under investigation and likely to be booted out anyway. The party has been investigating an estimated 40 members and was looking “very closely at about 20 of them” with links to alt-right and white supremacist groups. Nationals leader Michael McCormack said on Monday the party would “not tolerate extremism or the politics of hate”, while federal MPs Barnaby Joyce and John Williams said if allegations stood up the members should be expelled. Mr Joyce, a former Nationals leader and deputy prime minister, was also “inherently sceptical” about the allegations and hoped it was not a factional fight between the Left and Right of the party. The Australian revealed Clifford Jennings, a former Alt-Right Australia member, was elected to the Young Nationals state executive in May and unsuccessfully moved a motion at the party’s conference to resolve to only accept immigration from “culturally compatible nations”. Fairfax Media reports that Mr Jennings accused the party of “trial by media” in a letter sent to state director Ross Cadell. A NSW Nationals spokesman said the investigation into reported far-right infiltration of the party was continuing and a statement would be released upon its completion. The Australian understands the party’s constitution and ethics committee will meet in the next day or two. 
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More bahahahahhahahahahahaha No more global missions for TurnbullFormer prime minister Malcolm Turnbull won't be sent to any other events as a representative of the Australian government, his successor has confirmed. Mr Turnbull, while attending a global conference in Bali earlier this week, noted Indonesia held "serious concern" over the Australian government considering moving its embassy in Israel. "There is no question, were that move to occur, it would be met with a very negative reaction in Indonesia. This is after all the largest Muslim-majority country in the world," Mr Turnbull told reporters. Asked on 2GB radio on Thursday whether Mr Turnbull would be sent on further missions, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said no. He said trade and other matters were not part of the former prime minister's brief for the Our Ocean conference. The government floated the prospect of shifting the embassy during the final week of by-election campaigning in Mr Turnbull's former seat of Wentworth, where more than 12 per cent of voters are Jewish. While the Liberals suffered a devastating swing against them in Wentworth, Mr Morrison has insisted the government is still considering the potential move. -PB
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Fuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past.
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+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well.
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+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. B-b-b--b-b-b-b--b-b-b-but it's illegal! -PB
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+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes?
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+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? I'd say the only reason presently to push for a Republic would be more about improving upon our Constitution than anything else. Perhaps look at the need to introduce a "bill of rights" into the Constitution, sure up some political powers (that is ensure the "people" retain the power) and clarify some governance issues (for example the senate is there for checks and balances of the House of Reps, which is a political party forum ... the senate should be returned to a more state representation, which is stipulated in constitution).
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+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? If by my side you mean "not the Liberal party" then yes. Once parliament sits there's still no guarantee that the plebiscite will happen so I was referring to that too. A plebiscite on the simple question of whether we want to become a republic will prevent a Howard style manipulation of a referendum by stopping no votes from people who simply don't like the proposed model. If a yes vote got up in the plebiscite, a no vote in the referendum would mean "go back and work on something better" rather than "we love the queen, ask again in 20 years". Man that guy did so much damage to this place :(
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The problem with changing the date is it wont solve anything. It will temporarily appease disgruntled aboriginals but within a few weeks they will be pissed off again and wont be truly satisfied until all us whitefellas packed on ships back to England. That being said, given that their land was "stolen" we should really give it back, hey julz? I'm amazed that all the folks who constantly join disgruntled indigenous in the chorus of complaint about their land being stolen, continue to purchase "their" land, put houses on it, an pay no reparations for the terrible theft that occurred.
To better engage indigenous we need deep, meaningful, practical change that focuses on better economic outcomes for indigenous rather than token, trivial changes that are mostly around signalling virtue and assuaging white guilt. Its like putting on a bandaid on a severed limb and then claiming its contributing to the healing process.
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+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie.
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+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? If by my side you mean "not the Liberal party" then yes. Once parliament sits there's still no guarantee that the plebiscite will happen so I was referring to that too. A plebiscite on the simple question of whether we want to become a republic will prevent a Howard style manipulation of a referendum by stopping no votes from people who simply don't like the proposed model. If a yes vote got up in the plebiscite, a no vote in the referendum would mean "go back and work on something better" rather than "we love the queen, ask again in 20 years". Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( How was it John Howards fault that the proposed system in the 1999 referendum sucked? Genuine question.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie. Can't disagree.
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Geez this embassy farce is still ongoing. -PB
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VIC govt elections. Voting purely on funding committed to grassroots football, facilities, etc.
So, for the guys who follow it closely, am I voting for Guy or Andrews?
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+xVIC govt elections. Voting purely on funding committed to grassroots football, facilities, etc. So, for the guys who follow it closely, am I voting for Guy or Andrews? B-b-b-b-b-b-but the African gangs! -PB
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+xGeez this embassy farce is still ongoing. -PB They should just put it in Gaza for yuks.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie. Can't disagree. Makes you wonder right, those that oppose or have differing pov's oppose those times. No one is perfect and you can't please them all, thats never going to happen but some think it can ? how you wonder. Yes some things can improve, our laws/process's/red tape many do need getting up with the times and some need re adjusting but no one can govern in their own right today for its become a joke, a circus, be it pollie/media/social media. Were in a mosh pit now, there isn't any decent leaders out there today willing to stick their necks out, its not worth it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie. Can't disagree. I can. He, and his mob, are singularly responsible for Australia becoming more insular as a nation, less generous of spirit and more about 'me first' at the expense of community and civic mindedness. It's a shame. We are drifting towards an American state of mind with each passing year.
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+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. Australia really does need another referendum on this issue. I believe Australia needs to become a Republic. our pandering to the Royals is cringe-worthy to say the least, and quite immature for our Nation.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie. Can't disagree. I can. He, and his mob, are singularly responsible for Australia becoming more insular as a nation, less generous of spirit and more about 'me first' at the expense of community and civic mindedness. It's a shame. We are drifting towards an American state of mind with each passing year. we were following their state of mind and saying yes to them long before Howard era imo......
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie. Can't disagree. I can. He, and his mob, are singularly responsible for Australia becoming more insular as a nation, less generous of spirit and more about 'me first' at the expense of community and civic mindedness. It's a shame. We are drifting towards an American state of mind with each passing year. we were following their state of mind and saying yes to them long before Howard era imo...... I think they were suggesting that Howard's tax incentives (that is given money back to the individual rather than investing in the future of Australia, as a whole, whilst the world's economy was in a boom) were more of an American thought process. Australians tend to be more socialists in their opinions than Americans (that is "for the greater good" rather than "me me me"). Howard's government pandered more to the "me me me" attitude, and ultimately is what cost them the government as when the global economy shrunk most Aussies realised that they'd failed to plan for the future of Australia although had been in charge for a decade. So yes they'd kept the deficit low because of a booming global economy and a lack of spending, but unfortunately they failed basics economics in realising that some debt is "good debt" (there was a reason why Kevin Rudd's government had to spend big when they got into power ... a lack of investment in Australia's infrastructure for 10 years to start).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie. Can't disagree. I can. He, and his mob, are singularly responsible for Australia becoming more insular as a nation, less generous of spirit and more about 'me first' at the expense of community and civic mindedness. It's a shame. We are drifting towards an American state of mind with each passing year. we were following their state of mind and saying yes to them long before Howard era imo...... I think they were suggesting that Howard's tax incentives (that is given money back to the individual rather than investing in the future of Australia, as a whole, whilst the world's economy was in a boom) were more of an American thought process. Australians tend to be more socialists in their opinions than Americans (that is "for the greater good" rather than "me me me"). Howard's government pandered more to the "me me me" attitude, and ultimately is what cost them the government as when the global economy shrunk most Aussies realised that they'd failed to plan for the future of Australia although had been in charge for a decade. So yes they'd kept the deficit low because of a booming global economy and a lack of spending, but unfortunately they failed basics economics in realising that some debt is "good debt" (there was a reason why Kevin Rudd's government had to spend big when they got into power ... a lack of investment in Australia's infrastructure for 10 years to start). And the lack of investment in infrastructure is what has lead to ScoMo and co whinging about Sydney/Melbourne this week lol. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFuck it, I'm now pro-changing the date. Makes sense from a logical POV. Australia was founded on 1/1/1901, 26/1 is just the day that the colony of New South Wales was formed. Makes no sense to celebrate our sovereignty on 26/1. Move Australia Day to 2/1 so it won't clash with NYD and give people an extra day around the Christmas holidays to get shitfaced/recover from their hangovers. We don't celebrate our sovereignty on Australia Day. We celebrate the arrival of the First Fleet and the start of a new era. The 1st of January is already called Federation Day as it celebrates the day we became a nation. It would be idiotic to change Australia Day to a random day during the year (May 8th for example) as there needs to be some history or significance behind the day which we celebrate who we are as a nation. If we ever do sign a treaty with the Aboriginals (be a symbolic treaty), I would be in favour of changing it to the day to the day the treaty is signed. January 27th would be symbolic in a way as it could be looked as a day which we try to move on from the dark history of the past. Those aren't terrible suggestions. Republic day is another candidate. Looks like we'll have a plebiscite on that question in the coming few years if everything goes well. If everything goes well for your side? What's the point of having a plebiscite for becoming a Republic when a referendum will be needed to make any changes? Man that guy did so much damage to this place :( Howard was hands down one of the greatest PMs we've had. Reelected thrice, zero net debt, saved thousands of lives by stopping the boats, record economic growth, the stats dont lie. Can't disagree. I can. He, and his mob, are singularly responsible for Australia becoming more insular as a nation, less generous of spirit and more about 'me first' at the expense of community and civic mindedness. It's a shame. We are drifting towards an American state of mind with each passing year. we were following their state of mind and saying yes to them long before Howard era imo...... I think they were suggesting that Howard's tax incentives (that is given money back to the individual rather than investing in the future of Australia, as a whole, whilst the world's economy was in a boom) were more of an American thought process. Australians tend to be more socialists in their opinions than Americans (that is "for the greater good" rather than "me me me"). Howard's government pandered more to the "me me me" attitude, and ultimately is what cost them the government as when the global economy shrunk most Aussies realised that they'd failed to plan for the future of Australia although had been in charge for a decade. So yes they'd kept the deficit low because of a booming global economy and a lack of spending, but unfortunately they failed basics economics in realising that some debt is "good debt" (there was a reason why Kevin Rudd's government had to spend big when they got into power ... a lack of investment in Australia's infrastructure for 10 years to start). And the lack of investment in infrastructure is what has lead to ScoMo and co whinging about Sydney/Melbourne this week lol. -PB I always find it amazing how Australians seem to always find a way to bring someone down. We have had 6 years of Labor and 6 years of Liberal and you still manage to link a perceived problem from today to the Liberal government from 12 years ago.
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