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+x+x+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). In comparison how does Joe go away from home. SCG for instance? Ok question. The players have been penciled in only for the two tests. Marsh made a decent score in this game..say he fails in the next.. do we keep him? You know my answer. Agree Head has cemented his spot for the Third Test. Harris should be given all 6 Tests of the summer as the debutant. Khawaja will stay as will Paine. Finch will need something special to remain. First of all get him away from opening. Handscomb must deliver otherwise he is for the chop too. Taking off my slightly bias cap I'll say Marsh should probably stay he is good for a few runs in Australia but I would not take him to England. Travis Head I like Khawaja is falling back into his lazy ways in my opinion and his shot in the 2nd innings was appalling. I think he's reading the media and thinks he's all that. As I said at the start of the test Khawaja did not impress against Victoria where Burns scored 120 for the match. A 41 and 18 is not worthy of the media hype he got saying he is in great form. Needs a major kick up the arse, where's Katich when you need him Handscomb got a dodgy call when they dropped him he averages over 40 at test level, he stays for the time being. I don't know about England IMO Harris needs a fair chance Finch was hopeless, may not even play next test. Who replaces him? The logical choice is Burns but honestly Baggers you along with others will be all over him like a cheap suit, so he won't get a fair chance to play a few games in a row. Just like the 4th test in SA Burns was the only one to score runs in the second innings, but BYE BYE Burns. So I would lean towards Hughes so I can be all over him like a cheap suit. If they do then you know Warner will be back for England. Don't me started on the bowlers, you won't like what I have to say. But I will say this Cummins has not recovered from the injury, it showed in the Futures games he played and the one game he played in Shield, there is nothing there that shows me he has recovered.
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+x+x+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). In comparison how does Joe go away from home. SCG for instance? What do you want Baggers? His international level SCG play 3 innings 150 runs @50 (INTERNATIONAL not Domestic) or are you talking about dodgy decisions that undermined his potential inclusion to this current test and you know it was as dodgy as you can get or last year at Wollongong where he scored 121 runs in the game compared to Patterson who scored 74 or 2016/17 game when Joe scored 196 runs for the game and Patterson 88 at the SCG didn't play 2015/16 in the Australian side so last 9 FC innings playing either international or against NSW (including dodgy call game) averages 65 do you have a problem with that? I certainly don't. How easy is it to score runs at the SCG. Makes you think doesn't it. By Comparison since you started this game lets have a look at Pattinson say against SA away from home 0, 7, 14, 0, 17, 12 (total 50 runs @8.3) Outstanding I'll be generous and look at WA since he just scored a century there. 24, 16, 8, 39, (av was 21) then scored 107, 43 lifting his av to 40 so yes that is moving in the right direction But in all honesty he has played OK against the Vics scoring 61, 43, 53, 63 and 53 a lot of good starts but where are the 100's I do remember at the Gabba a few years ago he did score a 111, the reason I remember that game is Joe Burns MURDERED Starc and Hazlewood scoring 160 for the game. Sorry Baggers I think you lost, do you want to play again???? I never started anything. I was merely looking for comparisons. Why Pattinson's figures?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). In comparison how does Joe go away from home. SCG for instance? What do you want Baggers? His international level SCG play 3 innings 150 runs @50 (INTERNATIONAL not Domestic) or are you talking about dodgy decisions that undermined his potential inclusion to this current test and you know it was as dodgy as you can get or last year at Wollongong where he scored 121 runs in the game compared to Patterson who scored 74 or 2016/17 game when Joe scored 196 runs for the game and Patterson 88 at the SCG didn't play 2015/16 in the Australian side so last 9 FC innings playing either international or against NSW (including dodgy call game) averages 65 do you have a problem with that? I certainly don't. How easy is it to score runs at the SCG. Makes you think doesn't it. By Comparison since you started this game lets have a look at Pattinson say against SA away from home 0, 7, 14, 0, 17, 12 (total 50 runs @8.3) Outstanding I'll be generous and look at WA since he just scored a century there. 24, 16, 8, 39, (av was 21) then scored 107, 43 lifting his av to 40 so yes that is moving in the right direction But in all honesty he has played OK against the Vics scoring 61, 43, 53, 63 and 53 a lot of good starts but where are the 100's I do remember at the Gabba a few years ago he did score a 111, the reason I remember that game is Joe Burns MURDERED Starc and Hazlewood scoring 160 for the game. Sorry Baggers I think you lost, do you want to play again???? I never started anything. I was merely looking for comparisons. Why Pattinson's figures? Sorry those are Patterson's figures I'll re-edit. I Know, I Know they do look like a bowlers figures but they are Patterson's.
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First time I have seen Riley Meredith, another home-grown Tasmanian that is showing ability. Hopefully Tasmania will stop taking these discards from other states and start bringing on some good talent for Australia.
Jordan Silk av 32 FC Jake Doran av 28 FC McDermott av 29 FC surely there are better Tasmanians. They were discards for a reason why do Tasmania cricket pay them
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+x+x+x+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). In comparison how does Joe go away from home. SCG for instance? Ok question. The players have been penciled in only for the two tests. Marsh made a decent score in this game..say he fails in the next.. do we keep him? You know my answer. Agree Head has cemented his spot for the Third Test. Harris should be given all 6 Tests of the summer as the debutant. Khawaja will stay as will Paine. Finch will need something special to remain. First of all get him away from opening. Handscomb must deliver otherwise he is for the chop too. Taking off my slightly bias cap I'll say Marsh should probably stay he is good for a few runs in Australia but I would not take him to England. Travis Head I like Khawaja is falling back into his lazy ways in my opinion and his shot in the 2nd innings was appalling. I think he's reading the media and thinks he's all that. As I said at the start of the test Khawaja did not impress against Victoria where Burns scored 120 for the match. A 41 and 18 is not worthy of the media hype he got saying he is in great form. Needs a major kick up the arse, where's Katich when you need him Handscomb got a dodgy call when they dropped him he averages over 40 at test level, he stays for the time being. I don't know about England IMO Harris needs a fair chance Finch was hopeless, may not even play next test. Who replaces him? The logical choice is Burns but honestly Baggers you along with others will be all over him like a cheap suit, so he won't get a fair chance to play a few games in a row. Just like the 4th test in SA Burns was the only one to score runs in the second innings, but BYE BYE Burns. So I would lean towards Hughes so I can be all over him like a cheap suit. If they do then you know Warner will be back for England. Don't me started on the bowlers, you won't like what I have to say. But I will say this Cummins has not recovered from the injury, it showed in the Futures games he played and the one game he played in Shield, there is nothing there that shows me he has recovered. Handscomb I can not agree with you on. He has a glaring flaw that good bowlers will work out. Ricky Ponting pointed it out how he sweats on anything short as he camps himself behind the crease. He look uncomfortable on the front foot. Walks the same way Ricky himself used to do early in his innings. Honestly without the great Smith we do not need blokes with dodgy techniques. Both Joe or Dan Hughes or Patterson should come in for the Third Test. The latter two have solid techniques. Am concerned Patto is not as capable as Joe against spin. Whatta you mean Cummins has not recovered. You mean his pace?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). In comparison how does Joe go away from home. SCG for instance? Ok question. The players have been penciled in only for the two tests. Marsh made a decent score in this game..say he fails in the next.. do we keep him? You know my answer. Agree Head has cemented his spot for the Third Test. Harris should be given all 6 Tests of the summer as the debutant. Khawaja will stay as will Paine. Finch will need something special to remain. First of all get him away from opening. Handscomb must deliver otherwise he is for the chop too. Taking off my slightly bias cap I'll say Marsh should probably stay he is good for a few runs in Australia but I would not take him to England. Travis Head I like Khawaja is falling back into his lazy ways in my opinion and his shot in the 2nd innings was appalling. I think he's reading the media and thinks he's all that. As I said at the start of the test Khawaja did not impress against Victoria where Burns scored 120 for the match. A 41 and 18 is not worthy of the media hype he got saying he is in great form. Needs a major kick up the arse, where's Katich when you need him Handscomb got a dodgy call when they dropped him he averages over 40 at test level, he stays for the time being. I don't know about England IMO Harris needs a fair chance Finch was hopeless, may not even play next test. Who replaces him? The logical choice is Burns but honestly Baggers you along with others will be all over him like a cheap suit, so he won't get a fair chance to play a few games in a row. Just like the 4th test in SA Burns was the only one to score runs in the second innings, but BYE BYE Burns. So I would lean towards Hughes so I can be all over him like a cheap suit. If they do then you know Warner will be back for England. Don't me started on the bowlers, you won't like what I have to say. But I will say this Cummins has not recovered from the injury, it showed in the Futures games he played and the one game he played in Shield, there is nothing there that shows me he has recovered. Handscomb I can not agree with you on. He has a glaring flaw that good bowlers will work out. Ricky Ponting pointed it out how he sweats on anything short as he camps himself behind the crease. He look uncomfortable on the front foot. Walks the same way Ricky himself used to do early in his innings. Honestly without the great Smith to dig us out of holes the last thing we want is a walking wicket. If Cooper is elibible i want him in for Handscomb.. Joe or Dan Hughes or Patterson for Handscomb. This may well be academic if either of these two hit a ton at Perth. Whatta you mean Cummins has not recovered. You mean his pace?
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+xFirst time I have seen Riley Meredith, another home-grown Tasmanian that is showing ability. Hopefully Tasmania will stop taking these discards from other states and start bringing on some good talent for Australia. Jordan Silk av 32 FC Jake Doran av 28 FC McDermott av 29 FC surely there are better Tasmanians. They were discards for a reason why do Tasmania cricket pay them Meredith is yet to get a brace. But is very quick. DC rates him. Silk is coming back with a bang after years battling the Black Dog. Jake Doran has to go. Too many expectations on him as a kid by the media. McDermott will improve on those figures. He is not just a white ball hitter.
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+x+xFirst time I have seen Riley Meredith, another home-grown Tasmanian that is showing ability. Hopefully Tasmania will stop taking these discards from other states and start bringing on some good talent for Australia. Jordan Silk av 32 FC Jake Doran av 28 FC McDermott av 29 FC surely there are better Tasmanians. They were discards for a reason why do Tasmania cricket pay them Meredith is yet to get a brace. But is very quick. DC rates him. Pycroft another Tassie boy. 10 wkts from 2 games. Silk is coming back with a bang after years battling the Black Dog. Jake Doran has to go. Too many expectations on him as a kid by the media. McDermott will improve on those figures. He is not just a white ball hitter. while your Bulls/Tigers game looks like an exciting finish the Blues/Redback one is panning out as a boring draw due to this SCG road.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). In comparison how does Joe go away from home. SCG for instance? Ok question. The players have been penciled in only for the two tests. Marsh made a decent score in this game..say he fails in the next.. do we keep him? You know my answer. Agree Head has cemented his spot for the Third Test. Harris should be given all 6 Tests of the summer as the debutant. Khawaja will stay as will Paine. Finch will need something special to remain. First of all get him away from opening. Handscomb must deliver otherwise he is for the chop too. Taking off my slightly bias cap I'll say Marsh should probably stay he is good for a few runs in Australia but I would not take him to England. Travis Head I like Khawaja is falling back into his lazy ways in my opinion and his shot in the 2nd innings was appalling. I think he's reading the media and thinks he's all that. As I said at the start of the test Khawaja did not impress against Victoria where Burns scored 120 for the match. A 41 and 18 is not worthy of the media hype he got saying he is in great form. Needs a major kick up the arse, where's Katich when you need him Handscomb got a dodgy call when they dropped him he averages over 40 at test level, he stays for the time being. I don't know about England IMO Harris needs a fair chance Finch was hopeless, may not even play next test. Who replaces him? The logical choice is Burns but honestly Baggers you along with others will be all over him like a cheap suit, so he won't get a fair chance to play a few games in a row. Just like the 4th test in SA Burns was the only one to score runs in the second innings, but BYE BYE Burns. So I would lean towards Hughes so I can be all over him like a cheap suit. If they do then you know Warner will be back for England. Don't me started on the bowlers, you won't like what I have to say. But I will say this Cummins has not recovered from the injury, it showed in the Futures games he played and the one game he played in Shield, there is nothing there that shows me he has recovered. Handscomb I can not agree with you on. He has a glaring flaw that good bowlers will work out. Ricky Ponting pointed it out how he sweats on anything short as he camps himself behind the crease. He look uncomfortable on the front foot. Walks the same way Ricky himself used to do early in his innings. Honestly without the great Smith to dig us out of holes the last thing we want is a walking wicket. If Cooper is elibible i want him in for Handscomb.. Joe or Dan Hughes or Patterson for Handscomb. This may well be academic if either of these two hit a ton at Perth. Whatta you mean Cummins has not recovered. You mean his pace? +x+x+x+x+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). In comparison how does Joe go away from home. SCG for instance? Ok question. The players have been penciled in only for the two tests. Marsh made a decent score in this game..say he fails in the next.. do we keep him? You know my answer. Agree Head has cemented his spot for the Third Test. Harris should be given all 6 Tests of the summer as the debutant. Khawaja will stay as will Paine. Finch will need something special to remain. First of all get him away from opening. Handscomb must deliver otherwise he is for the chop too. Taking off my slightly bias cap I'll say Marsh should probably stay he is good for a few runs in Australia but I would not take him to England. Travis Head I like Khawaja is falling back into his lazy ways in my opinion and his shot in the 2nd innings was appalling. I think he's reading the media and thinks he's all that. As I said at the start of the test Khawaja did not impress against Victoria where Burns scored 120 for the match. A 41 and 18 is not worthy of the media hype he got saying he is in great form. Needs a major kick up the arse, where's Katich when you need him Handscomb got a dodgy call when they dropped him he averages over 40 at test level, he stays for the time being. I don't know about England IMO Harris needs a fair chance Finch was hopeless, may not even play next test. Who replaces him? The logical choice is Burns but honestly Baggers you along with others will be all over him like a cheap suit, so he won't get a fair chance to play a few games in a row. Just like the 4th test in SA Burns was the only one to score runs in the second innings, but BYE BYE Burns. So I would lean towards Hughes so I can be all over him like a cheap suit. If they do then you know Warner will be back for England. Don't me started on the bowlers, you won't like what I have to say. But I will say this Cummins has not recovered from the injury, it showed in the Futures games he played and the one game he played in Shield, there is nothing there that shows me he has recovered. Handscomb I can not agree with you on. He has a glaring flaw that good bowlers will work out. Ricky Ponting pointed it out how he sweats on anything short as he camps himself behind the crease. He look uncomfortable on the front foot. Walks the same way Ricky himself used to do early in his innings. Honestly without the great Smith we do not need blokes with dodgy techniques. Both Joe or Dan Hughes or Patterson should come in for the Third Test. The latter two have solid techniques. Am concerned Patto is not as capable as Joe against spin. Whatta you mean Cummins has not recovered. You mean his pace? Cummins is not right in all regards. His 2 Future league games I forget how many wickets he took but it wasn't many. That was against reserve grade FC cricketers. Against Qld he took 3/90 hardly calling out pick me and 2 were the tail. Not that I saw the game but obviously he lacked the penetration and pace that saw him be the No1 bowler in SA. And this test no real venom just placing the ball.
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+x+x+xFirst time I have seen Riley Meredith, another home-grown Tasmanian that is showing ability. Hopefully Tasmania will stop taking these discards from other states and start bringing on some good talent for Australia. Jordan Silk av 32 FC Jake Doran av 28 FC McDermott av 29 FC surely there are better Tasmanians. They were discards for a reason why do Tasmania cricket pay them Meredith is yet to get a brace. But is very quick. DC rates him. Pycroft another Tassie boy. 10 wkts from 2 games. Silk is coming back with a bang after years battling the Black Dog. Jake Doran has to go. Too many expectations on him as a kid by the media. McDermott will improve on those figures. He is not just a white ball hitter. while your Bulls/Tigers game could be an exciting finish the Blues/Redback one is panning out as a boring draw due to this SCG road. Now looks like Peirson has shut the Bulls shop. Wanted then to have a shot at the total.
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+x+x+x+xFirst time I have seen Riley Meredith, another home-grown Tasmanian that is showing ability. Hopefully Tasmania will stop taking these discards from other states and start bringing on some good talent for Australia. Jordan Silk av 32 FC Jake Doran av 28 FC McDermott av 29 FC surely there are better Tasmanians. They were discards for a reason why do Tasmania cricket pay them Meredith is yet to get a brace. But is very quick. DC rates him. Pycroft another Tassie boy. 10 wkts from 2 games. Silk is coming back with a bang after years battling the Black Dog. Jake Doran has to go. Too many expectations on him as a kid by the media. McDermott will improve on those figures. He is not just a white ball hitter. while your Bulls/Tigers game looks like an exciting finish the Blues/Redback one is panning out as a boring draw due to this SCG road. Now looks like Peirson has shut the Bulls shop. Wanted them to have a crack at the total. Will Bosisto just can not get any consistency in his game. He is so much better than a @24 FC average.
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+x+x+x+x+xFirst time I have seen Riley Meredith, another home-grown Tasmanian that is showing ability. Hopefully Tasmania will stop taking these discards from other states and start bringing on some good talent for Australia. Jordan Silk av 32 FC Jake Doran av 28 FC McDermott av 29 FC surely there are better Tasmanians. They were discards for a reason why do Tasmania cricket pay them Meredith is yet to get a brace. But is very quick. DC rates him. Pycroft another Tassie boy. 10 wkts from 2 games. Silk is coming back with a bang after years battling the Black Dog. Jake Doran has to go. Too many expectations on him as a kid by the media. McDermott will improve on those figures. He is not just a white ball hitter. while your Bulls/Tigers game looks like an exciting finish the Blues/Redback one is panning out as a boring draw due to this SCG road. Now looks like Peirson has shut the Bulls shop. Wanted them to have a crack at the total. Will Bosisto just can not get any consistency in his game. He is so much better than a @24 FC average. All three matches this round look like tame draws.
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+x+x+xLarkin and Hughes are destroying South Australia with both heading to centuries. Hughes is one I missed from my list of FC averages in the test thread. He has a FC average of 38.01 and has a reasonable season so far. This would be his second century joining Cooper as the only players with two centuries. Needs to be a bit more consistent. The only thing about Hughes I don't like is that the majority of his runs he scores is confined to Sydney or Canberra. Struggles a lot away from home grounds, In Perth he scored 1 and 6. Melbourne 8 and 14 Adelaide 60 and 18 (That's only an 18 av from those 6 innings) but his average this year is currently 48 and climbing. Last year his big scores away from home were at No 6 for NSW but when he opened for NSW his scores were 2, 9, 49, 25, 30, 59, (av 29) compared to his overall average of 41. IMO I wonder whether Hughes may be more suited to No 6 and NSW may be doing him a dis-service by making him open. But with that same argument is one of the reasons I'm starting to come around to Patterson. Last year Patterson away from home scored 14, 0, 12, 16, 22, 17, 24, 16, 43 and 53 (217 av 21.7), but overall he scored 672 runs at 37. That is a big discrepancy and only 1 test a year is played in Sydney. But this year Patterson is scoring away from home with the century in Perth being his best to date, so though I don't think Patterson is ready just yet, he has definitely improved and maybe next year if this form continues he is worthy of being potentially selected. I re-posted this because though I like your side Test Fan, especially Burns in at 5/6, I personally would give Harris more of a shot, I thought he played OK for his first test, a few problems that he should work out with time. Patterson needs to prove himself more at shield level especially away from home as does Hughes because that would be suggestive that they can adapt to different conditions, which Patterson has shown this year but it has only been 3 games away from home. Travis head now in his 3rd test has scored 205 runs currently at a 41 average, you have to keep him in the side, and IMO you wouldn't take a gamble with Patterson especially with a possible problem in his play when you take him away from the comfort of his Sydney pitches. Last year they were discussing Hughes, maybe try him now instead of Finch, because personally if we could get 2 good consistent openers performing then the big positive would be we would never have to see that embarrassment to Australia that is Warner, and in all honesty, he's probably on his end of career downward spiral (by the time the Ashes come around he'll be pushing 33). Harris obviously continues, he was okay in his first test, there have been much worse debuts. I think Burns is probably ahead of Patterson for even a middle order position but currently Burns surely opens if he comes in with Renshaw in poor form and Warner out. Next test I go with Harris, Burns, Khawaja, Head, Finch, Patterson. A little harsh on Handscomb but I am just not convinced. Drop Marsh as well, 60 is not enough for me, it was his time to win the test match and he dd not do it. 33 is not old for a test match batsman.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFirst time I have seen Riley Meredith, another home-grown Tasmanian that is showing ability. Hopefully Tasmania will stop taking these discards from other states and start bringing on some good talent for Australia. Jordan Silk av 32 FC Jake Doran av 28 FC McDermott av 29 FC surely there are better Tasmanians. They were discards for a reason why do Tasmania cricket pay them Meredith is yet to get a brace. But is very quick. DC rates him. Pycroft another Tassie boy. 10 wkts from 2 games. Silk is coming back with a bang after years battling the Black Dog. Jake Doran has to go. Too many expectations on him as a kid by the media. McDermott will improve on those figures. He is not just a white ball hitter. while your Bulls/Tigers game looks like an exciting finish the Blues/Redback one is panning out as a boring draw due to this SCG road. Now looks like Peirson has shut the Bulls shop. Wanted them to have a crack at the total. Will Bosisto just can not get any consistency in his game. He is so much better than a @24 FC average. All three matches this round look like tame draws. Neser with Peirson seems to have saved Queensland. Stoinis and Turner seem to have done the same for WA although their might be a slight opening their now Stoinis has gone. SA and NSW is just drawn and has been for a long time even if the SA batting looks to have been a bit underwhelming. Neser now has an average of 50, although it will drop if he gets out, with 4 fifties from 8 innings. Doing very well with the bat. A pity he has not been doing that well the ball, only 13 wickets at 32 this season. Steketee is Queenslands outstanding bowler.
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I am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser
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+xI am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser Good effort Bulls. Blues/Redbacks played out a tame draw on a SCG road. Stoinis and Turner ensure Warriors hang on for draw. Some gutsy last day performances here.
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+x+xI am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser Good effort Bulls. Blues/Redbacks played out a tame draw on a SCG road. Stoinis and Turner ensure Warriors hang on for draw. Some gutsy last day performances here. OK Questions Baggers we were discussing Peirson and Carey. Based on this round who got the point. Carey scoring his century on an obvious batsman wicket, or Peirson's chase with Neser to win a match with a mammoth total to get, it was a not out but a century was on the cards for him along with his 6 catches for the match compared to 2 for Carey? Michael Neser is averaging 52 this year ahead of Patterson, Burns, Hughes, Larkin etc, has scored 312 runs so it's not like it is based on a few not outs, so while his bowling average is 32 he more than likely makes up for any discrepency by his batting, so should he be ahead of M Marsh? But an even better question should he replace Hazlewood based on Josh takes 2 wickets per innings at 26 which is 6 runs saving over Neser or a total of 24 per match. Neser brings more than 24 runs (or 12 runs per innings) over Josh in his batting. We lost the first test by 31 runs Hazlewood only supplied 13 runs, Neser could have given Australia 100 runs and Australia win. This is all hypothetical to make you think Baggers, so don't go on your pro-Hazlewood rant, what is wrong with that line of thought. I can't apply to Cummins and Starc because they bring batting to the side. While we have been talking 100's and how Larkin, Hughes, Henriques, even the new guns in Sangha and Edwards have all scored them, and we have been discussing home and away performances, we are talking 8 centuries (I've put Henriques 99 as a century) have all been scored in NSW home games, and only Patterson's 100 has been scored away. Let's really examine them this year shall we? Hughes Home av 71 Away 18 Larkin Home av 62.5 Away 30 Henriques Home av 55.4 Away 22.5 Sangha Home av 53 Away 9 Edwards Home av 35 Away 21 Now I'll look at Patterson the only one to score a century away from home and Nevill who we all know was a failure at international level Patterson Home av 45 Away 48 Nevill Home av 32 Away 18 We know Burns scores all around Australia, but what about say Lehmann who has a FC average around 40 but plays the majority of his games in Adelaide which has been a problem ground recently or Callum Ferguson who has had a lean year this year Lehmann Home 38 Away 38 Ferguson Home 12.5 Away 30 So when it comes to Hughes do you really gamble with him when he averages 18 for half the games in a year? I think there is enough evidence that suggest NSW batsmen have inflated averages due to the fact they play the majority of games in NSW. So when I see Hughes and Patterson with overall averages of 40 are they really equal to say Burns or Lehmann or Ferguson who are the "true" 40 average? Baggers I have proved in previous posts that Patterson for the last 3 years has struggled away from home Averages 8 from 3 games in SA, av 21 prior to century in Perth and we are talking overall averages not just 6 games this year. So here is the question. Are NSW preparing batsmen friendly pitches to inflate the averages of their batsmen to get them in the Australian side, because afterall we are talking currently about Hughes and Patterson and how they are 40 av FC? But are they really? Would Patterson with an average of 8 in Adelaide hold his place in the SA side? Are other states penalising their batsmen by searching for results in games? NSW have already got their bowlers in so now it's the Batsmen turn? Should other states start to produce batsmen friendly pitches that offer no results, but will give inflated averages to get their players in the side. We would see Burns go up to a 50 average if that is the case. Are we as "analysts" really that gullible to truly believe that Hughes and Patterson are 40 averages in FC cricket. When test fan posted the FC averages on the 1st test forum (he did miss Hughes av 39.7 also Lynn with his 43.5 av but whose counting) it was no surprise to me the number of NSWmen in the list, and a few Vics the majority of other state players are between 30-38. What have NSW won in the last 5 -10 years for so many master batsmen (Last 10 years Winners Vic 5 Tas 2 Qld 2 NSW 1 Runner-ups QLD 3 SA 2 Tas 2 WA 2 NSW 1). So here is the scenario Australia have kept these current batsmen for the first 2 tests, difficult batting grounds. 3rd and 4th test in come Hughes, Patterson and where are those tests?...the batsmen friendly grounds of MCG and SCG, they will look like geniuses all praise to them etc BS BS BS etc. Then they take on Sri Lanka at the Gabba, yeah right Sri Lanka are known for their pace and isn't it Canberra then? Then we go to England with a touring party which is rarely changed except for injury and the 2 additional batsmen will be Smith and Warner. I can assure you neither Patterson nor Hughes will be dropped, this scenario is tailor made for them. They will get every single opportunity to cement their place regardless of their performances, afterall Ferguson got 1 test to prove himself, yet Maddinson got 3 tests, that's the bias. I would bet money on this scenario playing out that is how confident of the political bias that exists in Australian cricket.
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+x+x+xI am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser Good effort Bulls. Blues/Redbacks played out a tame draw on a SCG road. Stoinis and Turner ensure Warriors hang on for draw. Some gutsy last day performances here. OK Questions Baggers we were discussing Peirson and Carey. Based on this round who got the point. Carey scoring his century on an obvious batsman wicket, or Peirson's chase with Neser to win a match with a mammoth total to get, it was a not out but a century was on the cards for him along with his 6 catches for the match compared to 2 for Carey? Michael Neser is averaging 52 this year ahead of Patterson, Burns, Hughes, Larkin etc, has scored 312 runs so it's not like it is based on a few not outs, so while his bowling average is 32 he more than likely makes up for any discrepency by his batting, so should he be ahead of M Marsh? But an even better question should he replace Hazlewood based on Josh takes 2 wickets per innings at 26 which is 6 runs saving over Neser or a total of 24 per match. Neser brings more than 24 runs (or 12 runs per innings) over Josh in his batting. We lost the first test by 31 runs Hazlewood only supplied 13 runs, Neser could have given Australia 100 runs and Australia win. This is all hypothetical to make you think Baggers, so don't go on your pro-Hazlewood rant, what is wrong with that line of thought. I can't apply to Cummins and Starc because they bring batting to the side. While we have been talking 100's and how Larkin, Hughes, Henriques, even the new guns in Sangha and Edwards have all scored them, and we have been discussing home and away performances, we are talking 8 centuries (I've put Henriques 99 as a century) have all been scored in NSW home games, and only Patterson's 100 has been scored away. Let's really examine them this year shall we? Hughes Home av 71 Away 18 Larkin Home av 62.5 Away 30 Henriques Home av 55.4 Away 22.5 Sangha Home av 53 Away 9 Edwards Home av 35 Away 21 Now I'll look at Patterson the only one to score a century away from home and Nevill who we all know was a failure at international level Patterson Home av 45 Away 48 Nevill Home av 32 Away 18 We know Burns scores all around Australia, but what about say Lehmann who has a FC average around 40 but plays the majority of his games in Adelaide which has been a problem ground recently or Callum Ferguson who has had a lean year this year Lehmann Home 38 Away 38 Ferguson Home 12.5 Away 30 So when it comes to Hughes do you really gamble with him when he averages 18 for half the games in a year? I think there is enough evidence that suggest NSW batsmen have inflated averages due to the fact they play the majority of games in NSW. So when I see Hughes and Patterson with overall averages of 40 are they really equal to say Burns or Lehmann or Ferguson who are the "true" 40 average? Baggers I have proved in previous posts that Patterson for the last 3 years has struggled away from home Averages 8 from 3 games in SA, av 21 prior to century in Perth and we are talking overall averages not just 6 games this year. So here is the question. Are NSW preparing batsmen friendly pitches to inflate the averages of their batsmen to get them in the Australian side, because afterall we are talking currently about Hughes and Patterson and how they are 40 av FC? But are they really? Would Patterson with an average of 8 in Adelaide hold his place in the SA side? Are other states penalising their batsmen by searching for results in games? NSW have already got their bowlers in so now it's the Batsmen turn? Should other states start to produce batsmen friendly pitches that offer no results, but will give inflated averages to get their players in the side. We would see Burns go up to a 50 average if that is the case. Are we as "analysts" really that gullible to truly believe that Hughes and Patterson are 40 averages in FC cricket. When test fan posted the FC averages on the 1st test forum (he did miss Hughes av 39.7 also Lynn with his 43.5 av but whose counting) it was no surprise to me the number of NSWmen in the list, and a few Vics the majority of other state players are between 30-38. What have NSW won in the last 5 -10 years for so many master batsmen (Last 10 years Winners Vic 5 Tas 2 Qld 2 NSW 1 Runner-ups QLD 3 SA 2 Tas 2 WA 2 NSW 1). So here is the scenario Australia have kept these current batsmen for the first 2 tests, difficult batting grounds. 3rd and 4th test in come Hughes, Patterson and where are those tests?...the batsmen friendly grounds of MCG and SCG, they will look like geniuses all praise to them etc BS BS BS etc. Then they take on Sri Lanka at the Gabba, yeah right Sri Lanka are known for their pace and isn't it Canberra then? Then we go to England with a touring party which is rarely changed except for injury and the 2 additional batsmen will be Smith and Warner. I can assure you neither Patterson nor Hughes will be dropped, this scenario is tailor made for them. They will get every single opportunity to cement their place regardless of their performances, afterall Ferguson got 1 test to prove himself, yet Maddinson got 3 tests, that's the bias. I would bet money on this scenario playing out that is how confident of the political bias that exists in Australian cricket. drop a link where these stats per ground are sourced Mike.
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+x+x+x+xI am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser Good effort Bulls. Blues/Redbacks played out a tame draw on a SCG road. Stoinis and Turner ensure Warriors hang on for draw. Some gutsy last day performances here. OK Questions Baggers we were discussing Peirson and Carey. Based on this round who got the point. Carey scoring his century on an obvious batsman wicket, or Peirson's chase with Neser to win a match with a mammoth total to get, it was a not out but a century was on the cards for him along with his 6 catches for the match compared to 2 for Carey? Michael Neser is averaging 52 this year ahead of Patterson, Burns, Hughes, Larkin etc, has scored 312 runs so it's not like it is based on a few not outs, so while his bowling average is 32 he more than likely makes up for any discrepency by his batting, so should he be ahead of M Marsh? But an even better question should he replace Hazlewood based on Josh takes 2 wickets per innings at 26 which is 6 runs saving over Neser or a total of 24 per match. Neser brings more than 24 runs (or 12 runs per innings) over Josh in his batting. We lost the first test by 31 runs Hazlewood only supplied 13 runs, Neser could have given Australia 100 runs and Australia win. This is all hypothetical to make you think Baggers, so don't go on your pro-Hazlewood rant, what is wrong with that line of thought. I can't apply to Cummins and Starc because they bring batting to the side. While we have been talking 100's and how Larkin, Hughes, Henriques, even the new guns in Sangha and Edwards have all scored them, and we have been discussing home and away performances, we are talking 8 centuries (I've put Henriques 99 as a century) have all been scored in NSW home games, and only Patterson's 100 has been scored away. Let's really examine them this year shall we? Hughes Home av 71 Away 18 Larkin Home av 62.5 Away 30 Henriques Home av 55.4 Away 22.5 Sangha Home av 53 Away 9 Edwards Home av 35 Away 21 Now I'll look at Patterson the only one to score a century away from home and Nevill who we all know was a failure at international level Patterson Home av 45 Away 48 Nevill Home av 32 Away 18 We know Burns scores all around Australia, but what about say Lehmann who has a FC average around 40 but plays the majority of his games in Adelaide which has been a problem ground recently or Callum Ferguson who has had a lean year this year Lehmann Home 38 Away 38 Ferguson Home 12.5 Away 30 So when it comes to Hughes do you really gamble with him when he averages 18 for half the games in a year? I think there is enough evidence that suggest NSW batsmen have inflated averages due to the fact they play the majority of games in NSW. So when I see Hughes and Patterson with overall averages of 40 are they really equal to say Burns or Lehmann or Ferguson who are the "true" 40 average? Baggers I have proved in previous posts that Patterson for the last 3 years has struggled away from home Averages 8 from 3 games in SA, av 21 prior to century in Perth and we are talking overall averages not just 6 games this year. So here is the question. Are NSW preparing batsmen friendly pitches to inflate the averages of their batsmen to get them in the Australian side, because afterall we are talking currently about Hughes and Patterson and how they are 40 av FC? But are they really? Would Patterson with an average of 8 in Adelaide hold his place in the SA side? Are other states penalising their batsmen by searching for results in games? NSW have already got their bowlers in so now it's the Batsmen turn? Should other states start to produce batsmen friendly pitches that offer no results, but will give inflated averages to get their players in the side. We would see Burns go up to a 50 average if that is the case. Are we as "analysts" really that gullible to truly believe that Hughes and Patterson are 40 averages in FC cricket. When test fan posted the FC averages on the 1st test forum (he did miss Hughes av 39.7 also Lynn with his 43.5 av but whose counting) it was no surprise to me the number of NSWmen in the list, and a few Vics the majority of other state players are between 30-38. What have NSW won in the last 5 -10 years for so many master batsmen (Last 10 years Winners Vic 5 Tas 2 Qld 2 NSW 1 Runner-ups QLD 3 SA 2 Tas 2 WA 2 NSW 1). So here is the scenario Australia have kept these current batsmen for the first 2 tests, difficult batting grounds. 3rd and 4th test in come Hughes, Patterson and where are those tests?...the batsmen friendly grounds of MCG and SCG, they will look like geniuses all praise to them etc BS BS BS etc. Then they take on Sri Lanka at the Gabba, yeah right Sri Lanka are known for their pace and isn't it Canberra then? Then we go to England with a touring party which is rarely changed except for injury and the 2 additional batsmen will be Smith and Warner. I can assure you neither Patterson nor Hughes will be dropped, this scenario is tailor made for them. They will get every single opportunity to cement their place regardless of their performances, afterall Ferguson got 1 test to prove himself, yet Maddinson got 3 tests, that's the bias. I would bet money on this scenario playing out that is how confident of the political bias that exists in Australian cricket. drop a link where these stats per ground are sourced Mike. Link Baggers? Having trouble adding up 3 games each for home/away then dividing? e.g. Hughes Home 78+21+6+116+134 = 355/5 = 71 Hughes Away 60+18+8+14+1+6 = 107/6 = 17.8 Do you want me to do the rest for you?
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+x+x+x+x+xI am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser Good effort Bulls. Blues/Redbacks played out a tame draw on a SCG road. Stoinis and Turner ensure Warriors hang on for draw. Some gutsy last day performances here. OK Questions Baggers we were discussing Peirson and Carey. Based on this round who got the point. Carey scoring his century on an obvious batsman wicket, or Peirson's chase with Neser to win a match with a mammoth total to get, it was a not out but a century was on the cards for him along with his 6 catches for the match compared to 2 for Carey? Michael Neser is averaging 52 this year ahead of Patterson, Burns, Hughes, Larkin etc, has scored 312 runs so it's not like it is based on a few not outs, so while his bowling average is 32 he more than likely makes up for any discrepency by his batting, so should he be ahead of M Marsh? But an even better question should he replace Hazlewood based on Josh takes 2 wickets per innings at 26 which is 6 runs saving over Neser or a total of 24 per match. Neser brings more than 24 runs (or 12 runs per innings) over Josh in his batting. We lost the first test by 31 runs Hazlewood only supplied 13 runs, Neser could have given Australia 100 runs and Australia win. This is all hypothetical to make you think Baggers, so don't go on your pro-Hazlewood rant, what is wrong with that line of thought. I can't apply to Cummins and Starc because they bring batting to the side. While we have been talking 100's and how Larkin, Hughes, Henriques, even the new guns in Sangha and Edwards have all scored them, and we have been discussing home and away performances, we are talking 8 centuries (I've put Henriques 99 as a century) have all been scored in NSW home games, and only Patterson's 100 has been scored away. Let's really examine them this year shall we? Hughes Home av 71 Away 18 Larkin Home av 62.5 Away 30 Henriques Home av 55.4 Away 22.5 Sangha Home av 53 Away 9 Edwards Home av 35 Away 21 Now I'll look at Patterson the only one to score a century away from home and Nevill who we all know was a failure at international level Patterson Home av 45 Away 48 Nevill Home av 32 Away 18 We know Burns scores all around Australia, but what about say Lehmann who has a FC average around 40 but plays the majority of his games in Adelaide which has been a problem ground recently or Callum Ferguson who has had a lean year this year Lehmann Home 38 Away 38 Ferguson Home 12.5 Away 30 So when it comes to Hughes do you really gamble with him when he averages 18 for half the games in a year? I think there is enough evidence that suggest NSW batsmen have inflated averages due to the fact they play the majority of games in NSW. So when I see Hughes and Patterson with overall averages of 40 are they really equal to say Burns or Lehmann or Ferguson who are the "true" 40 average? Baggers I have proved in previous posts that Patterson for the last 3 years has struggled away from home Averages 8 from 3 games in SA, av 21 prior to century in Perth and we are talking overall averages not just 6 games this year. So here is the question. Are NSW preparing batsmen friendly pitches to inflate the averages of their batsmen to get them in the Australian side, because afterall we are talking currently about Hughes and Patterson and how they are 40 av FC? But are they really? Would Patterson with an average of 8 in Adelaide hold his place in the SA side? Are other states penalising their batsmen by searching for results in games? NSW have already got their bowlers in so now it's the Batsmen turn? Should other states start to produce batsmen friendly pitches that offer no results, but will give inflated averages to get their players in the side. We would see Burns go up to a 50 average if that is the case. Are we as "analysts" really that gullible to truly believe that Hughes and Patterson are 40 averages in FC cricket. When test fan posted the FC averages on the 1st test forum (he did miss Hughes av 39.7 also Lynn with his 43.5 av but whose counting) it was no surprise to me the number of NSWmen in the list, and a few Vics the majority of other state players are between 30-38. What have NSW won in the last 5 -10 years for so many master batsmen (Last 10 years Winners Vic 5 Tas 2 Qld 2 NSW 1 Runner-ups QLD 3 SA 2 Tas 2 WA 2 NSW 1). So here is the scenario Australia have kept these current batsmen for the first 2 tests, difficult batting grounds. 3rd and 4th test in come Hughes, Patterson and where are those tests?...the batsmen friendly grounds of MCG and SCG, they will look like geniuses all praise to them etc BS BS BS etc. Then they take on Sri Lanka at the Gabba, yeah right Sri Lanka are known for their pace and isn't it Canberra then? Then we go to England with a touring party which is rarely changed except for injury and the 2 additional batsmen will be Smith and Warner. I can assure you neither Patterson nor Hughes will be dropped, this scenario is tailor made for them. They will get every single opportunity to cement their place regardless of their performances, afterall Ferguson got 1 test to prove himself, yet Maddinson got 3 tests, that's the bias. I would bet money on this scenario playing out that is how confident of the political bias that exists in Australian cricket. drop a link where these stats per ground are sourced Mike. Link Baggers? Having trouble adding up 3 games each for home/away then dividing? e.g. Hughes Home 78+21+6+116+134 = 355/5 = 71 Hughes Away 60+18+8+14+1+6 = 107/6 = 17.8 Do you want me to do the rest for you? You wanna know why more Blues play for our national teams. Check out the recent say past 15 years results of our national junior championships. If not mistaken as I can not verify them as can not find stats, nsw teams dominate them. Both their squad have made the semis of this years tournament. Backing one of them to win the final and add another trophy to their bulging cabinet. Your bias against anything nsw is becoming tiresome friend. :PMaths was never my strong suit.
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TEAM OF THE ROUND:
Hughes
Maddinson
Labuchagne
Lehmann
White
Wade
Turner
Pycroft
Neser
Boland
Holland.
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This space will be vacant till Feb when the Shield continues.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser Good effort Bulls. Blues/Redbacks played out a tame draw on a SCG road. Stoinis and Turner ensure Warriors hang on for draw. Some gutsy last day performances here. OK Questions Baggers we were discussing Peirson and Carey. Based on this round who got the point. Carey scoring his century on an obvious batsman wicket, or Peirson's chase with Neser to win a match with a mammoth total to get, it was a not out but a century was on the cards for him along with his 6 catches for the match compared to 2 for Carey? Michael Neser is averaging 52 this year ahead of Patterson, Burns, Hughes, Larkin etc, has scored 312 runs so it's not like it is based on a few not outs, so while his bowling average is 32 he more than likely makes up for any discrepency by his batting, so should he be ahead of M Marsh? But an even better question should he replace Hazlewood based on Josh takes 2 wickets per innings at 26 which is 6 runs saving over Neser or a total of 24 per match. Neser brings more than 24 runs (or 12 runs per innings) over Josh in his batting. We lost the first test by 31 runs Hazlewood only supplied 13 runs, Neser could have given Australia 100 runs and Australia win. This is all hypothetical to make you think Baggers, so don't go on your pro-Hazlewood rant, what is wrong with that line of thought. I can't apply to Cummins and Starc because they bring batting to the side. While we have been talking 100's and how Larkin, Hughes, Henriques, even the new guns in Sangha and Edwards have all scored them, and we have been discussing home and away performances, we are talking 8 centuries (I've put Henriques 99 as a century) have all been scored in NSW home games, and only Patterson's 100 has been scored away. Let's really examine them this year shall we? Hughes Home av 71 Away 18 Larkin Home av 62.5 Away 30 Henriques Home av 55.4 Away 22.5 Sangha Home av 53 Away 9 Edwards Home av 35 Away 21 Now I'll look at Patterson the only one to score a century away from home and Nevill who we all know was a failure at international level Patterson Home av 45 Away 48 Nevill Home av 32 Away 18 We know Burns scores all around Australia, but what about say Lehmann who has a FC average around 40 but plays the majority of his games in Adelaide which has been a problem ground recently or Callum Ferguson who has had a lean year this year Lehmann Home 38 Away 38 Ferguson Home 12.5 Away 30 So when it comes to Hughes do you really gamble with him when he averages 18 for half the games in a year? I think there is enough evidence that suggest NSW batsmen have inflated averages due to the fact they play the majority of games in NSW. So when I see Hughes and Patterson with overall averages of 40 are they really equal to say Burns or Lehmann or Ferguson who are the "true" 40 average? Baggers I have proved in previous posts that Patterson for the last 3 years has struggled away from home Averages 8 from 3 games in SA, av 21 prior to century in Perth and we are talking overall averages not just 6 games this year. So here is the question. Are NSW preparing batsmen friendly pitches to inflate the averages of their batsmen to get them in the Australian side, because afterall we are talking currently about Hughes and Patterson and how they are 40 av FC? But are they really? Would Patterson with an average of 8 in Adelaide hold his place in the SA side? Are other states penalising their batsmen by searching for results in games? NSW have already got their bowlers in so now it's the Batsmen turn? Should other states start to produce batsmen friendly pitches that offer no results, but will give inflated averages to get their players in the side. We would see Burns go up to a 50 average if that is the case. Are we as "analysts" really that gullible to truly believe that Hughes and Patterson are 40 averages in FC cricket. When test fan posted the FC averages on the 1st test forum (he did miss Hughes av 39.7 also Lynn with his 43.5 av but whose counting) it was no surprise to me the number of NSWmen in the list, and a few Vics the majority of other state players are between 30-38. What have NSW won in the last 5 -10 years for so many master batsmen (Last 10 years Winners Vic 5 Tas 2 Qld 2 NSW 1 Runner-ups QLD 3 SA 2 Tas 2 WA 2 NSW 1). So here is the scenario Australia have kept these current batsmen for the first 2 tests, difficult batting grounds. 3rd and 4th test in come Hughes, Patterson and where are those tests?...the batsmen friendly grounds of MCG and SCG, they will look like geniuses all praise to them etc BS BS BS etc. Then they take on Sri Lanka at the Gabba, yeah right Sri Lanka are known for their pace and isn't it Canberra then? Then we go to England with a touring party which is rarely changed except for injury and the 2 additional batsmen will be Smith and Warner. I can assure you neither Patterson nor Hughes will be dropped, this scenario is tailor made for them. They will get every single opportunity to cement their place regardless of their performances, afterall Ferguson got 1 test to prove himself, yet Maddinson got 3 tests, that's the bias. I would bet money on this scenario playing out that is how confident of the political bias that exists in Australian cricket. drop a link where these stats per ground are sourced Mike. Link Baggers? Having trouble adding up 3 games each for home/away then dividing? e.g. Hughes Home 78+21+6+116+134 = 355/5 = 71 Hughes Away 60+18+8+14+1+6 = 107/6 = 17.8 Do you want me to do the rest for you? You wanna know why more Blues play for our national teams. Check out the recent say past 15 years results of our national junior championships. If not mistaken as I can not verify them as can not find stats, nsw teams dominate them. Both their squad have made the semis of this years tournament. Backing one of them to win the final and add another trophy to their bulging cabinet. Your bias against anything nsw is becoming tiresome friend. :PMaths was never my strong suit. So you're saying because I question a common idea that has been thrown around on this thread and the first test thread,about the inclusion of players who average 40 at FC level, I give a truthful analysis of what constitutes a 40 average, I analyse and look at something and prove it is not a one off occurrence of one individual because it occurs for all the players of that team, you don't like the analysis, you can't prove it wrong, so I am bias. Really? As an ex-journo Baggers I would have thought you would appreciate "investigative" analysis questioning an idea, afterall isn't that what journalism is about, get people talking. Or is journalism pushing forward the journalist's belief and that is all that matters. Ignore anything that questions such a thought to the contrary and push it down by indicating that the author is bias thus his analysis is untruthful. To me that screams the word "bias". But I am not an ex-journo just an average bloke who does question things he reads and tests whether or not it is true. Otherwise we're all mindless sheep agreeing with everything they read. But as a worldwide published data analyser (yes you can search me on the web and my papers do show up) I can guarantee you that what I have written is truthful and without bias. You just don't like it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI am an idiot. Neser and Peirson won the match for Queensland not saved it. Very good effort from Queensland to get 412 on the back of 4 players making 70s, Burns, Labuschagne, Pierson and Neser Good effort Bulls. Blues/Redbacks played out a tame draw on a SCG road. Stoinis and Turner ensure Warriors hang on for draw. Some gutsy last day performances here. OK Questions Baggers we were discussing Peirson and Carey. Based on this round who got the point. Carey scoring his century on an obvious batsman wicket, or Peirson's chase with Neser to win a match with a mammoth total to get, it was a not out but a century was on the cards for him along with his 6 catches for the match compared to 2 for Carey? Michael Neser is averaging 52 this year ahead of Patterson, Burns, Hughes, Larkin etc, has scored 312 runs so it's not like it is based on a few not outs, so while his bowling average is 32 he more than likely makes up for any discrepency by his batting, so should he be ahead of M Marsh? But an even better question should he replace Hazlewood based on Josh takes 2 wickets per innings at 26 which is 6 runs saving over Neser or a total of 24 per match. Neser brings more than 24 runs (or 12 runs per innings) over Josh in his batting. We lost the first test by 31 runs Hazlewood only supplied 13 runs, Neser could have given Australia 100 runs and Australia win. This is all hypothetical to make you think Baggers, so don't go on your pro-Hazlewood rant, what is wrong with that line of thought. I can't apply to Cummins and Starc because they bring batting to the side. While we have been talking 100's and how Larkin, Hughes, Henriques, even the new guns in Sangha and Edwards have all scored them, and we have been discussing home and away performances, we are talking 8 centuries (I've put Henriques 99 as a century) have all been scored in NSW home games, and only Patterson's 100 has been scored away. Let's really examine them this year shall we? Hughes Home av 71 Away 18 Larkin Home av 62.5 Away 30 Henriques Home av 55.4 Away 22.5 Sangha Home av 53 Away 9 Edwards Home av 35 Away 21 Now I'll look at Patterson the only one to score a century away from home and Nevill who we all know was a failure at international level Patterson Home av 45 Away 48 Nevill Home av 32 Away 18 We know Burns scores all around Australia, but what about say Lehmann who has a FC average around 40 but plays the majority of his games in Adelaide which has been a problem ground recently or Callum Ferguson who has had a lean year this year Lehmann Home 38 Away 38 Ferguson Home 12.5 Away 30 So when it comes to Hughes do you really gamble with him when he averages 18 for half the games in a year? I think there is enough evidence that suggest NSW batsmen have inflated averages due to the fact they play the majority of games in NSW. So when I see Hughes and Patterson with overall averages of 40 are they really equal to say Burns or Lehmann or Ferguson who are the "true" 40 average? Baggers I have proved in previous posts that Patterson for the last 3 years has struggled away from home Averages 8 from 3 games in SA, av 21 prior to century in Perth and we are talking overall averages not just 6 games this year. So here is the question. Are NSW preparing batsmen friendly pitches to inflate the averages of their batsmen to get them in the Australian side, because afterall we are talking currently about Hughes and Patterson and how they are 40 av FC? But are they really? Would Patterson with an average of 8 in Adelaide hold his place in the SA side? Are other states penalising their batsmen by searching for results in games? NSW have already got their bowlers in so now it's the Batsmen turn? Should other states start to produce batsmen friendly pitches that offer no results, but will give inflated averages to get their players in the side. We would see Burns go up to a 50 average if that is the case. Are we as "analysts" really that gullible to truly believe that Hughes and Patterson are 40 averages in FC cricket. When test fan posted the FC averages on the 1st test forum (he did miss Hughes av 39.7 also Lynn with his 43.5 av but whose counting) it was no surprise to me the number of NSWmen in the list, and a few Vics the majority of other state players are between 30-38. What have NSW won in the last 5 -10 years for so many master batsmen (Last 10 years Winners Vic 5 Tas 2 Qld 2 NSW 1 Runner-ups QLD 3 SA 2 Tas 2 WA 2 NSW 1). So here is the scenario Australia have kept these current batsmen for the first 2 tests, difficult batting grounds. 3rd and 4th test in come Hughes, Patterson and where are those tests?...the batsmen friendly grounds of MCG and SCG, they will look like geniuses all praise to them etc BS BS BS etc. Then they take on Sri Lanka at the Gabba, yeah right Sri Lanka are known for their pace and isn't it Canberra then? Then we go to England with a touring party which is rarely changed except for injury and the 2 additional batsmen will be Smith and Warner. I can assure you neither Patterson nor Hughes will be dropped, this scenario is tailor made for them. They will get every single opportunity to cement their place regardless of their performances, afterall Ferguson got 1 test to prove himself, yet Maddinson got 3 tests, that's the bias. I would bet money on this scenario playing out that is how confident of the political bias that exists in Australian cricket. drop a link where these stats per ground are sourced Mike. Link Baggers? Having trouble adding up 3 games each for home/away then dividing? e.g. Hughes Home 78+21+6+116+134 = 355/5 = 71 Hughes Away 60+18+8+14+1+6 = 107/6 = 17.8 Do you want me to do the rest for you? You wanna know why more Blues play for our national teams. Check out the recent say past 15 years results of our national junior championships. If not mistaken as I can not verify them as can not find stats, nsw teams dominate them. Both their squad have made the semis of this years tournament. Backing one of them to win the final and add another trophy to their bulging cabinet. Your bias against anything nsw is becoming tiresome friend. :PMaths was never my strong suit. So you're saying because I question a common idea that has been thrown around on this thread and the first test thread,about the inclusion of players who average 40 at FC level, I give a truthful analysis of what constitutes a 40 average, I analyse and look at something and prove it is not a one off occurrence of one individual because it occurs for all the players of that team, you don't like the analysis, you can't prove it wrong, so I am bias. Really? As an ex-journo Baggers I would have thought you would appreciate "investigative" analysis questioning an idea, afterall isn't that what journalism is about, get people talking. Or is journalism pushing forward the journalist's belief and that is all that matters. Ignore anything that questions such a thought to the contrary and push it down by indicating that the author is bias thus his analysis is untruthful. To me that screams the word "bias". But I am not an ex-journo just an average bloke who does question things he reads and tests whether or not it is true. Otherwise we're all mindless sheep agreeing with everything they read. But as a worldwide published data analyser (yes you can search me on the web and my papers do show up) I can guarantee you that what I have written is truthful and without bias. You just don't like it. Have I questioned your idea of @40 average blokes? Dont think so. I admire your doing research to prove a point. I am not questioning those facts as bias.. only your general attitude against all that is nsw cricket. We both want the best players to represent our country. From past forums we have been involved in you have always known me to never favor anyone with a Blue cap if they do not deserve it. I want the best players, no matter from what state they come.. to wear a Baggy Green. Pity you dont as your bias clouds your judgement on occasions. I digress. back to the @40 average blokes. Usman Khawaja - 43.92 - will keepShaun Marsh - 41.13 - will not keepGlenn Maxwell - 41.10 - objectionsKurtis Patterson - 41.00 - potentialJoe Burns - 40.58 - reservationsCameron White - 40.38 - want.Ok Mike. Tell me which of the above you want for Third Test and why.
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debate looks interesting but need a tldr version :D
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| Player | Mat | Inns | NO | Runs | HS | Ave | BF | SR | 100 | 50 | 0 | 4s | 6s |
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| MS Wade | 6 | 12 | 3 | 571 | 137 | 63.44 | 1063 | 53.71 | 1 | 5 | 0 | 62 | 9 | | (Tasmania) | | MS Harris | 5 | 8 | 1 | 501 | 250* | 71.57 | 875 | 57.25 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 59 | 1 | | (Victoria) | | TLW Cooper | 6 | 11 | 0 | 501 | 178 | 45.54 | 786 | 63.74 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 68 | 4 | | (South Australia) | | NCR Larkin | 6 | 11 | 1 | 494 | 175* | 49.40 | 958 | 51.56 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 46 | 2 | | (New South Wales) | | JA Burns | 6 | 12 | 2 | 472 | 96 | 47.20 | 780 | 60.51 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 54 | 5 | | (Queensland) | | DP Hughes | 6 | 11 | 1 | 462 | 134 | 46.20 | 1051 | 43.95 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 53 | 0 | | (New South Wales) | | JS Lehmann | 6 | 11 | 1 | 461 | 126 | 46.10 | 967 | 47.67 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 49 | 1 | | (South Australia) | | AJ Doolan | 6 | 12 | 0 | 461 | 115 | 38.41 | 844 | 54.62 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 61 | 4 | | (Tasmania) | | JC Silk | 6 | 12 | 0 | 451 | 113 | 37.58 | 1231 | 36.63 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 41 | 1 | | (Tasmania) | | SE Marsh |
Ok here are the top 10 over the first 6 rounds. Have any of these blokes done sufficient this season plus past seasons to push into a test spot? comments
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My answer is simple that list is my top 6
An argument could be made for Marcus based on youth and promise but he's an exception really
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OK I've grabbed test fans list
Usman Khawaja - 43.92 Keep
Shaun Marsh - 41.13 Will keep if he performs next test, I don't expect 100, but good solid score will suffice
Glenn Maxwell - 41.10 Possible No 6 better than M Marsh
Kurtis Patterson - 41.00 Not yet needs to continue away form in next shield games to prove that he has overcome away from home problems (iffy on Ashes)
Joe Burns - 40.58 In on the condition he is given the same security as the current players of remaining home games (unless total failure) 1 game isn't enough for any player
Cameron White - 40.38 Too old now should have been selected a while ago but for remaining tests of the summer possible
Jake Lehmann - 39.62 No is on a downward turn currently needs to halt drop first
Matthew Wade - 39.57 Solid performer a definite possible 6
Peter Handscomb - 39.02 I wouldn't drop him till test average drops to 35-37 currently still at 42 (name someone else that you're possibly guaranteed those numbers Better the devil you know)
George Bailey - 38.80 Too old now, should never have been dropped in 2014 need him now but too late to re-ignite career
Harris In regardless of next test, should be given a decent opportunity
Head In one of our best performers in last 3 tests reminding me of a young Ponting
Renshaw NO
Hughes NO
Larkin NO even you were questioning his shield selection a few weeks ago
Finch NO was out 3 times in first test but for a no-ball, not even down the order
Therefore my team is
Harris
Burns
Khawaja
S Marsh if scores runs otherwise I would gamble with Patterson because it is Melbourne and Sydney his favoured grounds or Cam White (unlikely)
Head
Handscomb/Wade/Maxwell(possibly for Sydney)/Stonis (for Sydney if they drop either Starc/Hazlewood/Cummins for 2nd spinner) JUST NO MORE M MARSH 30 TESTS IS ENOUGH
For Ashes Warner back replacing worse of Burns or Harris, but if both performing BYE BYE WARNER
Smith easily slots in for Marsh/Patterson or everyone drops down one and Head in at 6 all based on performance.
Give this team the remaining 4 games
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+xOK I've grabbed test fans list Usman Khawaja - 43.92 Keep Shaun Marsh - 41.13 Will keep if he performs next test, I don't expect 100, but good solid score will suffice Glenn Maxwell - 41.10 Possible No 6 better than M Marsh Kurtis Patterson - 41.00 Not yet needs to continue away form in next shield games to prove that he has overcome away from home problems (iffy on Ashes) Joe Burns - 40.58 In on the condition he is given the same security as the current players of remaining home games (unless total failure) 1 game isn't enough for any player Cameron White - 40.38 Too old now should have been selected a while ago but for remaining tests of the summer possible Jake Lehmann - 39.62 No is on a downward turn currently needs to halt drop first Matthew Wade - 39.57 Solid performer a definite possible 6 Peter Handscomb - 39.02 I wouldn't drop him till test average drops to 35-37 currently still at 42 (name someone else that you're possibly guaranteed those numbers Better the devil you know) George Bailey - 38.80 Too old now, should never have been dropped in 2014 need him now but too late to re-ignite career Harris In regardless of next test, should be given a decent opportunity Head In one of our best performers in last 3 tests reminding me of a young Ponting Renshaw NO Hughes NO Larkin NO even you were questioning his shield selection a few weeks ago Finch NO was out 3 times in first test but for a no-ball, not even down the order Therefore my team is Harris Burns Khawaja S Marsh if scores runs otherwise I would gamble with Patterson because it is Melbourne and Sydney his favoured grounds or Cam White (unlikely) Head Handscomb/Wade/Maxwell(possibly for Sydney)/Stonis (for Sydney if they drop either Starc/Hazlewood/Cummins for 2nd spinner) JUST NO MORE M MARSH 30 TESTS IS ENOUGH For Ashes Warner back replacing worse of Burns or Harris, but if both performing BYE BYE WARNER Smith easily slots in for Marsh/Patterson or everyone drops down one and Head in at 6 all based on performance. Give this team the remaining 4 games White is 15 days younger than SOS Marsh. He brings huge experience to the table. Was Victoria's youngest and longest captain. Also bowls handy top spinners and is a specialist slipper. Wade has a deplorable test record with the bat. See below. | Overall (4) | 22 | 38 | 7 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 106 | 886 | 28.58 | 47.92 | 63 | 11 |
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