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+x+xEarly nominations for the dumbest things to have been said, done or implied in this saga Reid - "if only you knew what I know" (wow, you didn't just slander the fuck out of someone, no siree) Some random hairy armpits activist group - doing skinfold tests on your national football team is "body shaming" (fuck off back to your student union) X2. Stajcic got the sack only because he told the players to room in separate dorms when in camp. Two Matilda's, in a relationship with each other, took exception to this and went to the PFA. Reid, having long advocated for female roles, used this complaint as her chance to sack Stajcic. Our Watch survey being the ruse. The select media pre briefed, well aware of the anti male sentiment used by their bosses, played their role. Interesting that all Matilda's coaches bar van Edmond, have quit. Also note van Edmond daughter still in Matilda's team. Get the picture? Yep, this is my read on it too. I hope it all comes up very publicly and those involved are disgraced.
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Enzo Bearzot
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If that's true Reid needs to be sacked.
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I heard there was some predatory lesbian action on the younger members of the squad and Staj is basically caught up in the middle of it now.
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+xI heard there was some predatory lesbian action on the younger members of the squad and Staj is basically caught up in the middle of it now. Source? Scandalous if true but a big claim like that needs some big evidence.
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mdm
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+xI heard there was some predatory lesbian action on the younger members of the squad and Staj is basically caught up in the middle of it now. Lesbian action between players, you mean? Stan got sacked as he told them 'no lesbian action whilst in camp'. The LGTBI Rights card was played and Reid used that to sack Staj
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AnthonyC
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Stajcic has been a coach for a long time. Boys, girls, young adults and adults. Has there been any allegations against him prior to this?
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n i k o
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+x+xI heard there was some predatory lesbian action on the younger members of the squad and Staj is basically caught up in the middle of it now. Source? Scandalous if true but a big claim like that needs some big evidence. Firstly I'm not claiming this is fact but a possibility. For the reason that I heard from someone that is heavily involved in the game and well respected. +x+xI heard there was some predatory lesbian action on the younger members of the squad and Staj is basically caught up in the middle of it now. Lesbian action between players, you mean? Stan got sacked as he told them 'no lesbian action whilst in camp'. The LGTBI Rights card was played and Reid used that to sack Staj Yes that's the inference. Whatever has happened in there is so damn sensitive that no one can't even disclose what its about. So this seems to fit the bill. IF this is even close to being true imagine the players reputations that would be damaged. It makes all the more sense why after over a week no one is standing up to explain why.
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clockwork orange
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I actually don’t care whose reputation is damaged IF the person(s) is the one actually guilty of some heinous wrongdoing. What I do care about is that someone’s reputation is trashed because of some ‘toxic environment’ that no one seems to know about.
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+xI actually don’t care whose reputation is damaged IF the person(s) is the one actually guilty of some heinous wrongdoing. What I do care about is that someone’s reputation is trashed because of some ‘toxic environment’ that no one seems to know about. This is so 100% true. And I respect you for saying this. The more I think of it, Lucy Zelic's comments show she does not have such a similar basis of justice in the way she has conducted herself. I don't recall Lucy Zelic clariftying if the things she claimed to know about related (i) to the toxic environment or (ii) to what Stajcic himself actually did. Lucy Zelic's approach -- if you knew what I knew, you'd realise Stajcic was guilty -- translates as Lucy Zelic being willing to smear and tarnish Stajcic's reputation by innuendo, and saying she does not care if the public never knows the reasons.
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clockwork orange
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This is what passes for leadership and transparency with the new FFA Board.
“This is complex. FFA acted in what we believe was the interests of the players. Some will accept it; others won’t accept it whatever the evidence. Can’t hold inquiry because this is a private employment matter and all parties need to be respected esp the former coach.”
- Joseph Carozzi (Board member)
So private that fellow Board Members can leak their own interpretation to their chosen media sycophants.
“Some will accept it; others won’t accept it whatever the evidence.”
So, we can’t have any evidence just because some may not accept it. The old, “we know what’s best for you dimwits.”
The stench grows daily.
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Burztur
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The person he was responding to raised some valid points in response. Let’s hope the issue just doesn’t die down like the FFA want it to...
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A professional male coach, or support staff for that matter, would be crazy to go anywhere near the Matildas unless more details emerge about why Stajic was sacked. That’s not necessarily a loss for the Matildas, as there are plenty of female professional coaches and support staff to do the jobs but it’s just an observation about the level of risk and job security that male employees are going to have in these roles after recent events.
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clockwork orange
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Yep, a point I made days ago. If they can’t tell anyone what actually happened (to protect the players and ex-coach according to the FFA) then what do they say to the new coach? “As you’ve probably heard, there are massive problems with the players and staff you will inherit but we can’t tell you what they are.”
This why Rae Dower will get the gig (as predicted by Linda Taylor) because she’ll already be worded up that there’s not really anything to fix.
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@clockwork orange, interesting observation about replacements. I wonder how far all this will trickle down. Next, W-League clubs? Then elite pathways for girls? What about dads coaching their daughters teams? I know I loved coaching my daughter’s teams from 5 through to 17 years old, as well as my son’s teams. But they were different, in standards, intensity and the approach required. Without sounding boastful, I adapted pretty easily across the two different genders and usually got compliments from players and parents alike, over many years. However, I just wonder where we are headed now, and whether we are going backwards or forwards?
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clockwork orange
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@camberraharry. Yeah, lots of dads now less able to partake in their daughters sporting pursuits for fear of that one unsubstantiated complaint.
FFA just perpetuating the #Metoo culture of “If a woman says it, it must be true.” It’s disgusting.
Read recently of a guy who had his life destroyed by a partner who falsely accused him of stalking and rape. Spent time behind bars before trial because police believed hrr story straight away. He was lucky one copper thought something was amiss and used the wife’s phone tracker to confirm she’d been lying about where she’d been. Then the whole story unravelled.
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+x@camberraharry. Yeah, lots of dads now less able to partake in their daughters sporting pursuits for fear of that one unsubstantiated complaint. FFA just perpetuating the #Metoo culture of “If a woman says it, it must be true.” It’s disgusting.Read recently of a guy who had his life destroyed by a partner who falsely accused him of stalking and rape. Spent time behind bars before trial because police believed hrr story straight away. He was lucky one copper thought something was amiss and used the wife’s phone tracker to confirm she’d been lying about where she’d been. Then the whole story unravelled. The case you mentioned occurred in Canberra and was in the news fairly recently. The woman is now in jail for some sort of false evidence charge. She was unrepentant throughout her trial, although the guy now has PTSD from his time in prison. Horrible case. That said, I imagine these false allegations are rare and the time is long over due for men to be called out on sexual violence and assaults. It's a messy area of social progress and law and this is why, in this Stajic case and others like it eg Judge Kavanaugh's case in the US, the facts need to remain central to any event and any actions taken, for all concerned and for society in general.
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clockwork orange
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Our legal system is founded on the notion of innocence until proven guilty, not the notion of “oh well it’s about time ... and if a few innocents are wrongly convicted, well that’s tough luck”.
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+x+x+xI heard there was some predatory lesbian action on the younger members of the squad and Staj is basically caught up in the middle of it now. Source? Scandalous if true but a big claim like that needs some big evidence. Firstly I'm not claiming this is fact but a possibility. For the reason that I heard from someone that is heavily involved in the game and well respected. +x+xI heard there was some predatory lesbian action on the younger members of the squad and Staj is basically caught up in the middle of it now. Lesbian action between players, you mean? Stan got sacked as he told them 'no lesbian action whilst in camp'. The LGTBI Rights card was played and Reid used that to sack Staj Yes that's the inference. Whatever has happened in there is so damn sensitive that no one can't even disclose what its about. So this seems to fit the bill. IF this is even close to being true imagine the players reputations that would be damaged. It makes all the more sense why after over a week no one is standing up to explain why. My fiance competed in elite female cricket into her early twenties (playing as high as for the state, just before women's professional cricket became a success) but she gave it away because she felt certain 'pressures' from the homosexual members of her teams. Not outright sexual assault, but definitely the inference that she should be fooling around with her fellow team members and that, if she didn't, she wasn't a proper part of the team. So what you're saying, if true, doesn't surprise me if I'm honest.
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clockwork orange
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Hang on - let me get this right. A couple of days ago, Tracey Holmes writes a report including details that could only have come from leaks from the FFA Board.
So, instead of Board Chairman, Chris Nikou being angeted by this leak and investigating, he agrees to an interview with the same journo. So either he is the leaker, or he condones the leaker (whoever that is). Otherwise why ‘reward’ Holmes? Then again, I suppose it’s a good strategy - no risk of being asked “So are you investigating the leak?” Or “Was Heather Reid authorised to continue to smear Alen Stajcic in public?”
So during his soft ‘interview’ with Holmes, Nikou was happy to answer questions that confirmed the decision was the right one, but when asked whether Stajcic had been offered an adequate opportunity to address the problems and potentially avoid the drastic action of terminating his employment, this was his response:
"I think you'll appreciate that my hands are tied to a certain extent about what I can and can't say about what's occurred," he said.
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clockwork orange
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This from former Matilda’s coach, Nahuel Arrarte:
“Why weren’t all players and coaching staff interviewed? Outline the process undertaken for this decision made.
People just want answers.
My understanding is only 3 or 4 players. 3 possibly 4 staff members. Not everyone filled the survey either.“
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The biggest bs being told by the FFA is that they can’t tell us what the process is because it’s confidential.
Surely if they’ve done nothing wrong, they’d just be saying something like “We got the surveys, then we confirmed the claims independently with more than 10 staff and players who we won’t name..We then gave the coach an opportunity to rectify things but he declined. So we decided to terminate.
When’s Gallop going to answer, what made him crack a joke about the Board being out to get Stajcic?
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+x@camberraharry. Yeah, lots of dads now less able to partake in their daughters sporting pursuits for fear of that one unsubstantiated complaint. FFA just perpetuating the #Metoo culture of “If a woman says it, it must be true.” It’s disgusting.Read recently of a guy who had his life destroyed by a partner who falsely accused him of stalking and rape. Spent time behind bars before trial because police believed hrr story straight away. He was lucky one copper thought something was amiss and used the wife’s phone tracker to confirm she’d been lying about where she’d been. Then the whole story unravelled. Its along the same path as what has happened in Primary schools and is happening in state schools to keep males teachers out. This shit has to stop. Its out of control, And the only way is for it to end up in Court. ,
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+x:"I think you'll appreciate that my hands are tied to a certain extent about what I can and can't say about what's occurred," he said. Translated "we've been served with notice to sue for unfair dismissal from AS's lawyers and I cant say anything to prejudice the amount we will have to payout."
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+x+x@camberraharry. Yeah, lots of dads now less able to partake in their daughters sporting pursuits for fear of that one unsubstantiated complaint. FFA just perpetuating the #Metoo culture of “If a woman says it, it must be true.” It’s disgusting.Read recently of a guy who had his life destroyed by a partner who falsely accused him of stalking and rape. Spent time behind bars before trial because police believed hrr story straight away. He was lucky one copper thought something was amiss and used the wife’s phone tracker to confirm she’d been lying about where she’d been. Then the whole story unravelled. The case you mentioned occurred in Canberra and was in the news fairly recently. The woman is now in jail for some sort of false evidence charge. She was unrepentant throughout her trial, although the guy now has PTSD from his time in prison. Horrible case. That said, I imagine these false allegations are rare and the time is long over due for men to be called out on sexual violence and assaults. It's a messy area of social progress and law and this is why, in this Stajic case and others like it eg Judge Kavanaugh's case in the US, the facts need to remain central to any event and any actions taken, for all concerned and for society in general. I know family lawyers who have said to me everyone knows its going on as a "tactic".
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THE NEED FOR GOVERNANCE, DUE DILIGENCE AND TRANSPARENCYBy TWG STAFF Jan 27 2019 10:38AMChair of the FFA Women's Council Ros Moriarty has called for the need of governance, due diligence and transparency in women's football in the wake of Alen Stajcic's sacking.The FFA Women’s Football Council was established in late 2018, as a FIFA requirement of the FFA restructure. At the top of the list when the Council drafted its strategic pillars with the FFA Board and management, was a request for a dedicated communications campaign and a 2019-2029 women’s football plan. However, eight days ago the football community imploded and no one saw it coming. FFA Chair Chris Nikou and David Gallop announced that Stajcic, the Matildas most successful coach in the teams history, had been sacked over alleged "workplace culture" issues. The Women’s Football Council had no prior knowledge this would happen with an apparent leak from a news outlet late on Friday night the only heads up something was happening. "There can be no dispute that player welfare and wellbeing must always be paramount," Moriarty said. "However, the details are missing as to why, when and how an irretrievable position hastily erupted about the Matildas workplace. "Neither the 2018 PFA review exercise nor the simultaneous FFA Our Watch survey, advocated a dismissal". This weeks leadership workshop in Coogee would address the findings from the PFA review undertaken in December while the later survey was an organisation-wide poll across the whole of FFA and national teams. Moriarty has spoken with Women’s Football Council Member and experienced Matilda, Elise Kellond-Knight, FFA Deputy Chair Heather Reid, Chair Chris Nikou, Head of Women’s Football Emma Highwood, PFA CEO John Didulica and Deputy CEO Kate Gill over the past week but says before PFA there "are still more questions than answers". These questions surround FFA's governance, due diligence and transparency however the need for the strategic plan couldn't be clearer. "In its pages there needs to be a blueprint for a female talent pipeline from grassroots to elite, and a pathway for growing participation by women at every level of the game." "At its centre there must be the checks and balances to hold accountable those responsible for administering and controlling the game."
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Interesting that the Women’s Football Council had no idea even though Matilda’s Elise K-K is a member of the council. What’s the point of the WFC if it’s not to be involved in trying to address supposedly long-term cultural issues.
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Who from TWG Staff wrote that? Did they talk to Lucy?
Why does Lucy know more than the Women's Council?
More questions...
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So the allegation of predatory lesbian behaviour made in the thread is an extremely serious one.
If there was activity where one or more lesbian members of the team were putting untoward pressure on one or more younger members of the team and Stajcic was aware of it and did nothing then he certainly would have questions to answer and perhaps deserved to be sacked. HOWEVER THERE HAS BEEN NO SUGGESTION THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
As for the other suggestion that Stajcic would not allow two lesbians to sleep together in camp and that complaint led to his sacking, it seems to be totally unjustified.
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If true this bit is a sure fire way to stoke resentment amongst the playing group. I wonder who they're referring to? De Vanna? One rule for oneWhile many talked of the Matildas being thick as thieves, more than one player said one of their teammates was regarded as problematic by her peers. It was claimed that while Stajcic was super demanding of everyone else in his squad, this player seemed to abide by another set of rules. It was also alleged that the player refused to turn up to team meetings, would walk out of video sessions and yet was frequently selected in starting line-ups.
“It’s the only reason why we have a fracture," one player said. "Nobody wants her in the team but Staj would keep putting her up on a pedestal when she doesn’t act appropriately.
"To some, it appeared Stajcic was playing favourites. Other observers suggested his leniency was needed to get the most out of a talented, but volatile, player. And his approach worked on the field, at least at first. However, the longer it went on, the more players began to perceive there were double standards inside the dressing room.
Many players have suggested that whatever stress there was within the group stemmed from this one divisive figure. That view was supported by one of her former coaches during the week, who said of the Matildas situation: "It's easy to fix. You just have to get rid of [that player]".
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Muz...SMH article
“Many players have suggested that whatever stress there was within the group stemmed from this one divisive figure. That view was supported by one of her former coaches during the week, who said of the Matildas situation: "It's easy to fix. You just have to get rid of [that player]".
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So potentially there’s a female Balotelli within the ranks........man, this saga reads more like a Hollywood blockbuster script day by day.
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