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+x+xDo we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain. exactly right. as long as football benefits, who cares if the developers profit from the surrounding lands? The case in point is that Tottenham's new stadium includes apartments and a hotel in the precinct. I'm hoping it's a great success in terns of football and property development. Could lead the way for other clubs to follow.
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+xDo we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain. exactly right. as long as football benefits, who cares if the developers profit from the surrounding lands? The case in point is that Tottenham's new stadium includes apartments and a hotel in the precinct.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area... Do we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain. If the game benefits I have no problem with it... My post was purely to explain why someone would be so keen to spend $20m on a license to lose money. Answer - they will cover those losses via the real estate deal. they'll easily make money via ticket sales because they have their own stadium. it'll end up paying for itself Long term they certainly should - this is the whole point of owning a stadium... But they will make far more from having extensive improvements to infrastructure around their other assets. Again, that's not a criticism, I'm happy for football to benefit as a side-effect of someone's business.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area... Do we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain. If the game benefits I have no problem with it... My post was purely to explain why someone would be so keen to spend $20m on a license to lose money. Answer - they will cover those losses via the real estate deal. they'll easily make money via ticket sales because they have their own stadium. it'll end up paying for itself Is the stadium going to belong to the club or the developers? Wyndham has handed over the land to the consortium which will own the club. It's this consortium that will own the stadium.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area... Do we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain. If the game benefits I have no problem with it... My post was purely to explain why someone would be so keen to spend $20m on a license to lose money. Answer - they will cover those losses via the real estate deal. they'll easily make money via ticket sales because they have their own stadium. it'll end up paying for itself Is the stadium going to belong to the club or the developers?
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+x+x+x+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area... Do we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain. If the game benefits I have no problem with it... My post was purely to explain why someone would be so keen to spend $20m on a license to lose money. Answer - they will cover those losses via the real estate deal. they'll easily make money via ticket sales because they have their own stadium. it'll end up paying for itself
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+x+x+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area... Do we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain. If the game benefits I have no problem with it... My post was purely to explain why someone would be so keen to spend $20m on a license to lose money. Answer - they will cover those losses via the real estate deal.
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+x+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area... Do we really care how the stadium is funded though? Once completed it will be a genuine gift to Australian football. If investors are savvy enough to make football infrastructure viable we shouldn't complain.
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]
FFA issued a stern response to Fox Sports, arguing the name does not diminish its association with Melbourne, citing AFL side Western Bulldogs as an example. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, administrators urged Western United to incorporate more references to the city of Melbourne in their latter stages of branding.
Sorry... Is the A-League a national competition, or is it a Melbourne-centric competition based in Melbourne playing a version of football invented in Melbourne? Because in the latter case, maybe the comparison to the "Western Bulldogs" might be valid. It wont be a national competition when Promotion and Relegation come in. Cant say since you're the only Perth or WA team here you cannot get relegated. Imagine Fox Sports go into melt down because theres no side in WA or other states and threaten to not release funds for the competition. Wouldn't that encourage match fixing just to keep the A-league a National league? Are you doing that thing where you assume all the best teams will be in/need to be in Sydney? Kinky fucking fascination some people have with that. Bayern Munich isn't from Berlin. Manchester united isn't from London. Juventus isn't from Rome. FC Barcelona isn't from Madrid. At best, the biggest cities throw up the odd team that matches the best, yet somehow it's this golden fucking rule in Australia. Munich has 1.4 million people... about 100k more than Adelaide. I don't see them struggling against all the (relegated) Berlin sides. This is why I don't follow HAL anymore. Gallop/Lowy's obsession with Sydney and Melbourne as the only viable places for new franchises.Good point about Munich and Juventus, Bohemia. thats what 5 million people gets you.
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+x+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area... So cynical Benjamin, they're all doing it because of the love in their heart for football...
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+x+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million. Western United is a real estate deal... They need the football team to justify the stadium... They will pay for the stadium, but local authorities will pay for infrastructure upgrades (including public transport) which in turn make the real estate development (which is going to be massive) more attractive. The stadium will be on the edge of Melbourne as things stand - but will soon be swallowed up by a new suburb... I wonder who already owns/controls a huge chunk of land around the area...
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+xIt is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!!
where did you get that figure from? Western United paid close to $20 million.
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FFA issued a stern response to Fox Sports, arguing the name does not diminish its association with Melbourne, citing AFL side Western Bulldogs as an example. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, administrators urged Western United to incorporate more references to the city of Melbourne in their latter stages of branding.
Sorry... Is the A-League a national competition, or is it a Melbourne-centric competition based in Melbourne playing a version of football invented in Melbourne? Because in the latter case, maybe the comparison to the "Western Bulldogs" might be valid. It wont be a national competition when Promotion and Relegation come in. Cant say since you're the only Perth or WA team here you cannot get relegated. Imagine Fox Sports go into melt down because theres no side in WA or other states and threaten to not release funds for the competition. Wouldn't that encourage match fixing just to keep the A-league a National league? Are you doing that thing where you assume all the best teams will be in/need to be in Sydney? Kinky fucking fascination some people have with that. Bayern Munich isn't from Berlin. Manchester united isn't from London. Juventus isn't from Rome. FC Barcelona isn't from Madrid. At best, the biggest cities throw up the odd team that matches the best, yet somehow it's this golden fucking rule in Australia. Munich has 1.4 million people... about 100k more than Adelaide. I don't see them struggling against all the (relegated) Berlin sides. This is why I don't follow HAL anymore. Gallop/Lowy's obsession with Sydney and Melbourne as the only viable places for new franchises. Good point about Munich and Juventus, Bohemia.
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+xThe HAL is in trouble, look at the ratings decline in the last few paragraphs. You are talking about a 50% decline in viewers since the last pay tv deal and FTA ratings are so low you cant even get figures anymore so no wonder fox are looking to reduce costs. Doesn't bode well for the next tv deal. I didn't realise it had plummeted by that much? I'm one of that 50% decline. I rarely watch HAL anymore.
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5mil? That's a lot of stickers -PB
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+x+x+x+x[quote]
FFA issued a stern response to Fox Sports, arguing the name does not diminish its association with Melbourne, citing AFL side Western Bulldogs as an example. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, administrators urged Western United to incorporate more references to the city of Melbourne in their latter stages of branding.
Sorry... Is the A-League a national competition, or is it a Melbourne-centric competition based in Melbourne playing a version of football invented in Melbourne? Because in the latter case, maybe the comparison to the "Western Bulldogs" might be valid. It wont be a national competition when Promotion and Relegation come in. Cant say since you're the only Perth or WA team here you cannot get relegated. Imagine Fox Sports go into melt down because theres no side in WA or other states and threaten to not release funds for the competition. Wouldn't that encourage match fixing just to keep the A-league a National league? Are you doing that thing where you assume all the best teams will be in/need to be in Sydney? Kinky fucking fascination some people have with that. Bayern Munich isn't from Berlin. Manchester united isn't from London. Juventus isn't from Rome. FC Barcelona isn't from Madrid. At best, the biggest cities throw up the odd team that matches the best, yet somehow it's this golden fucking rule in Australia. Munich has 1.4 million people... about 100k more than Adelaide. I don't see them struggling against all the (relegated) Berlin sides. its about logistics as well. we are a big country. and i dont see how its the leagues fault if the only remaining team from perth or brisbane get relegated. its up to the state to push themselves to be better. get better or get left behind
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Weather you like it or not Foxsports is a business and they are about making money the HAL was sold to franchisees and other investors that it would be a 'profitable' competition after 5 seasons .... It is 10 years on and the HAL is not only a basket case with and a money pit/black-hole for investors but the FFA STILL expect 5 million for a franchisee licence!! Franchisee should be almost FREE besides maybe a 50k application fee, we need clubs and if people are happy to sink money into a league that will probably never be really profitable.
The FFA is delusional and i honestly would be doing the same thing fox is going that is business
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+x+x+x+x[quote]
FFA issued a stern response to Fox Sports, arguing the name does not diminish its association with Melbourne, citing AFL side Western Bulldogs as an example. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, administrators urged Western United to incorporate more references to the city of Melbourne in their latter stages of branding.
Sorry... Is the A-League a national competition, or is it a Melbourne-centric competition based in Melbourne playing a version of football invented in Melbourne? Because in the latter case, maybe the comparison to the "Western Bulldogs" might be valid. It wont be a national competition when Promotion and Relegation come in. Cant say since you're the only Perth or WA team here you cannot get relegated. Imagine Fox Sports go into melt down because theres no side in WA or other states and threaten to not release funds for the competition. Wouldn't that encourage match fixing just to keep the A-league a National league? Are you doing that thing where you assume all the best teams will be in/need to be in Sydney? Kinky fucking fascination some people have with that. Bayern Munich isn't from Berlin. Manchester united isn't from London. Juventus isn't from Rome. FC Barcelona isn't from Madrid. At best, the biggest cities throw up the odd team that matches the best, yet somehow it's this golden fucking rule in Australia. Munich has 1.4 million people... about 100k more than Adelaide. I don't see them struggling against all the (relegated) Berlin sides. That all might make sense if Australia was the same size as Germany, Englamd, Italy or Spain (or if it didn't have a massive desert in the middle), but last time I checked....
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+x+x+x[quote]
FFA issued a stern response to Fox Sports, arguing the name does not diminish its association with Melbourne, citing AFL side Western Bulldogs as an example. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, administrators urged Western United to incorporate more references to the city of Melbourne in their latter stages of branding.
Sorry... Is the A-League a national competition, or is it a Melbourne-centric competition based in Melbourne playing a version of football invented in Melbourne? Because in the latter case, maybe the comparison to the "Western Bulldogs" might be valid. It wont be a national competition when Promotion and Relegation come in. Cant say since you're the only Perth or WA team here you cannot get relegated. Imagine Fox Sports go into melt down because theres no side in WA or other states and threaten to not release funds for the competition. Wouldn't that encourage match fixing just to keep the A-league a National league? Are you doing that thing where you assume all the best teams will be in/need to be in Sydney? Kinky fucking fascination some people have with that. Bayern Munich isn't from Berlin. Manchester united isn't from London. Juventus isn't from Rome. FC Barcelona isn't from Madrid. At best, the biggest cities throw up the odd team that matches the best, yet somehow it's this golden fucking rule in Australia. Munich has 1.4 million people... about 100k more than Adelaide. I don't see them struggling against all the (relegated) Berlin sides.
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+xand name it Riverside Stadium... I like it :) a few of us were discussing this over a beer before the game on the weekend. we are the second most valuable privately funded sports club in the country at $40 million. why can't we leverage this value to borrow money to build a stadium while interest rates are at record lows? once it opens, you can use the revenue from ticketing, signage and beer pourage rights to help pay it off. it'll never happen of course, but is it really too much of a crazy idea to suggest?
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+x+x+x[quote]
FFA issued a stern response to Fox Sports, arguing the name does not diminish its association with Melbourne, citing AFL side Western Bulldogs as an example. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, administrators urged Western United to incorporate more references to the city of Melbourne in their latter stages of branding.
Sorry... Is the A-League a national competition, or is it a Melbourne-centric competition based in Melbourne playing a version of football invented in Melbourne? Because in the latter case, maybe the comparison to the "Western Bulldogs" might be valid. It wont be a national competition when Promotion and Relegation come in. Cant say since you're the only Perth or WA team here you cannot get relegated. Imagine Fox Sports go into melt down because theres no side in WA or other states and threaten to not release funds for the competition. Wouldn't that encourage match fixing just to keep the A-league a National league? If the FFA was smart, they'd ... Hang on a second...  Okay. Where was I? Oh, that's right; If the FFA was smart, in terms of branding, they'd combine the A-League with a new 2nd division - lets call it A2. Although they'd be separate leagues with their own tables, fixtures, etc, they'd still be branded together under the "A-League" umbrella. The "A-League" website and social media would cover both the A-League and the A2 League, and show all tables and fixtures for both leagues. Fox contract would need to cover both leagues as part of the "A-League". Thus Perth, or Adelaide, or every Melbourne Team, or every Sydney team, or whoever, getting relegated to A2 wouldn't be (such) an issue, as they'd still be included in the broadcast contract.
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FFA issued a stern response to Fox Sports, arguing the name does not diminish its association with Melbourne, citing AFL side Western Bulldogs as an example. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, administrators urged Western United to incorporate more references to the city of Melbourne in their latter stages of branding.
Sorry... Is the A-League a national competition, or is it a Melbourne-centric competition based in Melbourne playing a version of football invented in Melbourne? Because in the latter case, maybe the comparison to the "Western Bulldogs" might be valid. It wont be a national competition when Promotion and Relegation come in. Cant say since you're the only Perth or WA team here you cannot get relegated. Imagine Fox Sports go into melt down because theres no side in WA or other states and threaten to not release funds for the competition. Wouldn't that encourage match fixing just to keep the A-league a National league? But that wouldn't make the league not national. not in the eyes of fox sports. imagine having to lose viewers because a state dont have a team due to promotion and relegation. they need a team in all cities in all states to maximise viewers. losing perth, adelaide or brisbane would be a blow to fox sports Well... I'm not sure about that. AFAIK, Fox didn't kick up a stink about the Western Force being kicked out of Super Rugby.
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so wsw confirmed their home ground for next season before this mob
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+x+x+x[quote]“Forget about SHORT term money and build a competition that sells out stadiums”Sure .... if the players will play for free and the stadiums are free to rent More then half the stadiums are empty dont need to playing games at Stadium of 60k capacity to be seen by 15k fans that might be a start players are over paid in the HAL for the quality they posses but the bigger issue due to such a shit wage structure clubs are WELL UNDERPAID for the good players they sell Most of these 3rd/4th div spanish players would be getting maybe 800-1100 AUD a week in there native country and they are better then the average local player here they are making 6-7k a week How a player like Matt Simon is on 400k a year is testament to how poorly run our league is and any fans who dont think the HAL is f***d are kidding themselves unless massive change occur FAST Matt Simon on $400,000 ? really ? How do you know that ? Seems way excessive .That is almost marquee money . https://www.transfermarkt.com/matt-simon/profil/spieler/43372
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+x+xIt's also directly across the Maribyrnong river from where Victory are building our academy lol could be a good location to build our own stadium if the club one day decides to be ambitious and do this. and name it Riverside Stadium... I like it :)
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+xIt's also directly across the Maribyrnong river from where Victory are building our academy lol could be a good location to build our own stadium if the club one day decides to be ambitious and do this.
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The only 3rd party events they allow at Somers St are neo nazi gigs
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To really think outside of the box, there's just enough room on the grass and track in front of the main grandstands on the finishing straight at Flemington, even without moving the traditional finishing line marker, although some of the fencing would have to go.
VRC would, of course, tell anyone asking to fuck off and wipe away tears of laughter with all their cash though, naturally.
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+x+x+x+xI don't understand why Western United don't play out of one of the NPL grounds in the area anyway, invest a bit to upgrade it, that would be so much more preferable a start to life than playing in a regional AFL stadium. The only venue in the west that's anywhere near HAL standard is Somers St - but that's owned by Melbourne Knights and the chances of them agreeing to let Western United use it are close to a snowball in hell. Somers street would be hard to get to by public transport. Just throwing in an idea here,,, Melbourne Showgrounds maybe? What do you guys thinks? Has 2 stands already, has lighting (although some additional might be needed for broadcasting), has trams, and trains for public transport, and its in the Inner West where this new club may be able to catch their very first members... rather than in Geelong and then Tarneit,,, where they'll totally skip all of their Inner West / North West catchmet. (ie. as if fans from St Albans, Sunshine, Keilor, Footscray will be going for a team based in Geelong / Werribee way) Although it appears like it would be a good venue for football, as far as I know it has never been used for football. At 4.3k seated, it would be great for NPL games, yet no-one uses it. They regularly add temp stands for events like music festivals or the motocross. There has to be some reason it's not an option. Have a quick look with google maps satellite view and use the measuring tool, you'll see it'd be very difficult to fit a professional field in, and that'd be with no corporate, media or player facilities whatsoever. It's also directly across the Maribyrnong river from where Victory are building our academy lol
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+x+x+xI don't understand why Western United don't play out of one of the NPL grounds in the area anyway, invest a bit to upgrade it, that would be so much more preferable a start to life than playing in a regional AFL stadium. The only venue in the west that's anywhere near HAL standard is Somers St - but that's owned by Melbourne Knights and the chances of them agreeing to let Western United use it are close to a snowball in hell. Somers street would be hard to get to by public transport. Just throwing in an idea here,,, Melbourne Showgrounds maybe? What do you guys thinks? Has 2 stands already, has lighting (although some additional might be needed for broadcasting), has trams, and trains for public transport, and its in the Inner West where this new club may be able to catch their very first members... rather than in Geelong and then Tarneit,,, where they'll totally skip all of their Inner West / North West catchmet. (ie. as if fans from St Albans, Sunshine, Keilor, Footscray will be going for a team based in Geelong / Werribee way) Although it appears like it would be a good venue for football, as far as I know it has never been used for football. At 4.3k seated, it would be great for NPL games, yet no-one uses it. They regularly add temp stands for events like music festivals or the motocross. There has to be some reason it's not an option.
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