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Paddles - 10 Mar 2019 12:34 PM
baggygreenmania - 10 Mar 2019 10:16 AM

You mean the few thousand test cricket fans that replied to a survey called test cricket? The worst polling example I have seen since the Republican telephone poll in the 1920's...

You really are a negative person. Republican poll 1920s. tell me more.

A green monster at Basin Reserve. Not sure I have seen a deck with more grass. Surprisingly not a great deal of lateral or air movement.
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baggygreenmania - 10 Mar 2019 1:10 PM
Paddles - 10 Mar 2019 12:34 PM

You really are a negative person. Republican poll 1920s. tell me more.

A green monster at Basin Reserve. Not sure I have seen a deck with more grass. Surprisingly not a great deal of lateral or air movement.

Keep telling you - we produce green roads in NZ - Basin is as flat as it gets normally. I think it's the grass we use. Lets see if leaving it this long ends less roady.

I won't make a personal comment about your personality or critical thinking skills...

Anyway -

The telephone polling - 1936 - not 1920's.

https://www.math.upenn.edu/~deturck/m170/wk4/lecture/case1.html

The most famous example of polling stuff ups. It was 1936 - and the polling was done by phone. But due to the depression and technology not available to all, the poor didn't all have phones. But they had the right to vote. So the telephone polling says the rich Rebublican will win 57 to 43. Come voting day, the poor voted democrats and Roosevalt crushed it. 62 to 38.

Now this was a survey given to people titled Test Cricket Survey... instantly most of those who don't like test cricket aren't going to fill it out and respond. So 87% - not surprised at all. This survey smacks of selection bias and non response bias. Absolute statistical joke. They've not tried to use statistical method, but just form their own conclusion - that flies right in the face of tv ratings.

The key with sampling is to find a way of targeting the right people that is really part of the demographic. Titling a Survey "Test Cricket Survey" - you're only asking if test cricket fans like test cricket. Of course they do ;-) 

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Titled the 'MCC Test Cricket survey', the idea behind the research was to test the popularity and relevance of the longer format among fans,...The survey was carried out across 100 countries with over 13,000 fans participating. "Overwhelmingly, Test cricket came out as the format that interests fans the most, regardless of country supported or age,....One of the most striking findings of the survey was that an average of 86% of the responders said Test cricket remained their "preferred" format followed by ODIs, T20Is and domestic T20s in that order. "


It's nonsense. I'm amazed that only 87% replied to a test cricket survey saying they preferred test cricket. It is such a self fulfilling sample poll - it's a joke. What was even the point of it? Might as well goto a Rugby Union game and ask about Rugby League...

Ridiculously done survey. Simply horrid. TV ratings don't lie. These stream, cable and satellite media know exactly what is on the tele and when. Ticket sales are easy to follow. Test cricket may be healthy in England and Aus, it's not elsewhere...

And when the IPL is already worth more than 3 times what CA's everything, intls, domestic and BBL is worth... the market is speaking loud and clear as to what people want. Cricket is tumbling into a situation of what does the Indian middle class want, because SA, WI, NZ, Bang, SL, Pak, et al outside the Big 3 are not profitable without Indian money from world cups, asia cups and tours. All the poor teams need the money. Pakistan is bleeding for the money right now.

Now test_cricket can run a "cricketers are just too greedy" argument all he likes, but many cricketers will follow the money - and everyone has their price and all that, and the money is generated by what the paying fans want. It's that simple. Test cricket needs to find a way to generate more money.

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Paddles please leave the forum, your continued anti cricket posts are not welcome.
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Test_Fan - 10 Mar 2019 7:24 PM
Paddles please leave the forum, your continued anti cricket posts are not welcome.

No thanks. I like talking cricket here.

If you don't like what I have to say - don't read it. 

My conversations with Baggers go back well over a year - incl a different forum before this and I see no reason for them to stop simply because you personally only like test cricket. 

I get it - you only like test cricket. Good for you. You're just one of a billion cricket consumers in a global world.



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Two forgotten men aiming to get an Ashes berth via strong County Cricket this winter are James Pattinson and Matthew Renshaw.

It has been more than three years since Pattinson last pulled on the Baggy Green. His hot late-season form for Victoria sent a reminder of his match-winning ability and he could push towards the top of the list for a Test spot with a strong campaign for Nottinghamshire. The r-armer is already a favourite at Trent Bridge after taking an astonishing 32 wickets in just five matches in 2017.

Renshaw is understandably an outside chance for the Ashes after a disappointing Shield campaign but he could change all that with some strong early season form for Kent. This follows his 2018 6-game stint with Somerset where he set the county scene alite with almost 500 runs @51 including 3 tons. CA is aware Renshaw has struggled since but a similar performance this winter could catapult him into a Baggy Green recall.


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baggygreenmania - 6 Apr 2019 2:14 PM

Two forgotten men aiming to get an Ashes berth via strong County Cricket this winter are James Pattinson and Matthew Renshaw.

It has been more than three years since Pattinson last pulled on the Baggy Green. His hot late-season form for Victoria sent a reminder of his match-winning ability and he could push towards the top of the list for a Test spot with a strong campaign for Nottinghamshire. The r-armer is already a favourite at Trent Bridge after taking an astonishing 32 wickets in just five matches in 2017.

Renshaw is understandably an outside chance for the Ashes after a disappointing Shield campaign but he could change all that with some strong early season form for Kent. This follows his 2018 6-game stint with Somerset where he set the county scene alite with almost 500 runs @51 including 3 tons. CA is aware Renshaw has struggled since but a similar performance this winter could catapult him into a Baggy Green recall.


So you decided to come back here. Why did you bother you Paddles loving shit?
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Test_Fan - 6 Apr 2019 2:40 PM
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So you decided to come back here. Why did you bother you Paddles loving shit?

You really are a charmer. I have returned as DC asked me to if you must know. Also for your info I have known Paddles on various forums.. I admire his cricket nouse.. nothing more.  I post on forums for the enjoyment. and do not appreciate insulting trolls like you. It was not me but you have been reported. No ban? 
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https://www.cricket.com.au/news/2018-19-cricket-bbl-award-winners-victoria-tasmania-south-western-australia-nsw-queensland/2019-04-06
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baggygreenmania - 7 Apr 2019 11:02 AM
Test_Fan - 6 Apr 2019 2:40 PM

You really are a charmer. I have returned as DC asked me to if you must know. Also for your info I have known Paddles on various forums.. I admire his cricket nouse.. nothing more.  I post on forums for the enjoyment. and do not appreciate insulting trolls like you. It was not me but you have been reported. No ban? 

I am not a troll, but yes I am insulting. Paddles and the positions he advocates are bad for cricket, that angers me. I am now discussing cricket elsewhere as well and I have not seen someone like Paddles there yet.
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Test_Fan - 7 Apr 2019 11:33 AM
baggygreenmania - 7 Apr 2019 11:02 AM

I am not a troll, but yes I am insulting. Paddles and the positions he advocates are bad for cricket, that angers me. I am now discussing cricket elsewhere as well and I have not seen someone like Paddles there yet.

I am sure there is good in you. People will see that more if you abuse them less when they dont agree with your opinion...or visa versa.
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Why this low opinion of yourself. I have yet to see your preferred A side which is being chosen shortly.
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baggygreenmania - 7 Apr 2019 7:57 PM
Why this low opinion of yourself. I have yet to see your preferred A side which is being chosen shortly.

Mate, I think it might be best to stay where we've moved to and keep discussing cricket there.
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Test_Fan - 7 Apr 2019 5:56 PM
baggygreenmania - 7 Apr 2019 2:54 PM

There is no good in me, I am shit. I never call anybody anything worse than what I call myself, I never wish on others worse than I wish would happen to me.

Paddles is a disgrace, his view on life and the way it impacts in cricket is totally wrong. He is a money loving piece of shit and I stand by comment that the world would be better off without him. I would be happy if I heard he was dead, just like I would be happy if I heard I was about to die.

Mate, you need to stop insulting people.

Most of the time you post good content, Test Fan.

However, most posters have left  this cricket forum to discuss cricket elsewhere, because of your sometimes perplexing personal attacks on some guys who I know face to face and who are decent people. 
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Decentric - 8 Apr 2019 1:07 PM
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Mate, you need to stop insulting people.

Most of the time you post good content, Test Fan.

However, most posters have left  this cricket forum to discuss cricket elsewhere, because of your sometimes perplexing personal attacks on some guys who I know face to face and who are decent people. 

I will insult whoever I like whenever I like unless I am banned.
Decentric of course you know them face to face, you see them when you look in the mirror.
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Test_Fan - 8 Apr 2019 4:35 PM
Decentric - 8 Apr 2019 1:07 PM

I will insult whoever I like whenever I like unless I am banned.
Decentric of course you know them face to face, you see them when you look in the mirror.

You keep up with this crap and you will be banned
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baggygreenmania - 9 Apr 2019 8:51 AM
Test_Fan - 8 Apr 2019 4:35 PM

You keep up with this crap and you will be banned

You are probably right Decentric.
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Paddles - 10 Mar 2019 7:39 PM
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No thanks. I like talking cricket here.

If you don't like what I have to say - don't read it. 

My conversations with Baggers go back well over a year - incl a different forum before this and I see no reason for them to stop simply because you personally only like test cricket. 

I get it - you only like test cricket. Good for you. You're just one of a billion cricket consumers in a global world.



Gday DC,
Haven't been on as no Foxtel ,so cannot comment on what I cannot see - seems like I've missed a bit of stirring.
Good to see Paddles standing his ground - as for test cricket V so called fake cricket I have posted before.
In summary, those who want to get rid of limited overs type games get real.
This is what pays for test cricket that we all enjoy & without these forms of the games test cricket would die.
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Ben Oliver, the man who (with Justin Langer) led the renaissance of Western Australia cricket, will take over as national men's and women's team supremo with champion Olympic rower Drew Ginn OAM to oversee Australia's state and pathway programs.

The dual high-profile appointments, announced by Cricket Australia today, represent a restructure of the previous High Performance role as announced in the wake of Pat Howard's departure last November.

Oliver will take up the position of Executive General Manager National Teams which also includes oversight of men's and women's selection panels.

Ginn becomes EGM High Performance with responsibilities that also include umpire development, talent identification and sports science and sports medicine.


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baggygreenmania - 18 Jun 2019 9:28 AM

Ben Oliver, the man who (with Justin Langer) led the renaissance of Western Australia cricket, will take over as national men's and women's team supremo with champion Olympic rower Drew Ginn OAM to oversee Australia's state and pathway programs.

The dual high-profile appointments, announced by Cricket Australia today, represent a restructure of the previous High Performance role as announced in the wake of Pat Howard's departure last November.

Oliver will take up the position of Executive General Manager National Teams which also includes oversight of men's and women's selection panels.

Ginn becomes EGM High Performance with responsibilities that also include umpire development, talent identification and sports science and sports medicine.


Gday,
jaszyjim - does this mean that a new broom will sweep clean & we will get new selectors that make sense?
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baggygreenmania - 18 Jun 2019 9:28 AM

Ben Oliver, the man who (with Justin Langer) led the renaissance of Western Australia cricket, will take over as national men's and women's team supremo with champion Olympic rower Drew Ginn OAM to oversee Australia's state and pathway programs.

The dual high-profile appointments, announced by Cricket Australia today, represent a restructure of the previous High Performance role as announced in the wake of Pat Howard's departure last November.

Oliver will take up the position of Executive General Manager National Teams which also includes oversight of men's and women's selection panels.

Ginn becomes EGM High Performance with responsibilities that also include umpire development, talent identification and sports science and sports medicine.


Wow!
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Tuggar comes on board for the Ashes.
Australian cricket legend Steve Waugh will be seeking  a first away Ashes series win by the Baggy Greens since 2001 when he joins the squad as a mentor during the six-week tour. Australia captain Tim Paine confirmed Waugh – the last Australia captain to win the Ashes in England ..will join the Test side from the opening Test in Birmingham on  August 1.



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Cricket NSW CEO Lee Germon, has reiterated his opposition to drop-in pitches at the SCG stating that the arguments against drop in wicket technology are clear and compelling.
“The move to a drop-in wicket with lifeless uniformity will create the risk of boring cricket that becomes unattractive to SCG members and attendees and the loss of the premier status of the SCG among Australian cricket grounds,” he told a commission.
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jul 2019 11:32 AM
Cricket NSW CEO Lee Germon, has reiterated his opposition to drop-in pitches at the SCG stating that the arguments against drop in wicket technology are clear and compelling.
“The move to a drop-in wicket with lifeless uniformity will create the risk of boring cricket that becomes unattractive to SCG members and attendees and the loss of the premier status of the SCG among Australian cricket grounds,” he told a commission.

Good to read this, Baggers. 
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baggygreenmania - 3 Jul 2019 10:27 AM
Tuggar comes on board for the Ashes.
Australian cricket legend Steve Waugh will be seeking  a first away Ashes series win by the Baggy Greens since 2001 when he joins the squad as a mentor during the six-week tour. Australia captain Tim Paine confirmed Waugh – the last Australia captain to win the Ashes in England ..will join the Test side from the opening Test in Birmingham on  August 1.



We have improved in One Day, but I think our batting will let us down in the Ashes. 
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Decentric - 3 Jul 2019 11:11 PM
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We have improved in One Day, but I think our batting will let us down in the Ashes. 

I am a bit more optimistic than you...specially if we have Patterson and Pucovski joining Smith in the middle order. The conditions will play a big part. Remember the Ashes starts later than have in the past. So with luck the sun will be on our backs and the decks will have some pace.
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jaszyjim - 18 Jun 2019 11:16 AM
baggygreenmania - 18 Jun 2019 9:28 AM

Gday,
jaszyjim - does this mean that a new broom will sweep clean & we will get new selectors that make sense?

Fraid not. No mention of selector changes. Is Steve Waugh contemplating taking a greater part in Australian cricket? Make him a selector and batting coach.
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Decentric - 3 Jul 2019 11:11 PM

I am a bit more optimistic than you...specially if we have Patterson and Pucovski joining Smith in the middle order. The conditions will play a big part. Remember the Ashes starts later than have in the past. So with luck the sun will be on our backs and the decks will have some pace.

My thoughts on Patterson are that he was in good mid season form last summer. I saw him make twin centuries against Sri Lanka, in January, for the Aus eleven. Shortly after he played against Sri Lanka in two Tests and made a century on a home pitch.

Late in the season he played a Shield game in Hobart and was out cheaply in both innings. If my memory serves me correctly Patterson is a good square of the wicket player. ATM he is unproven in English conditions. He only averages 30 - 40 odd in FC cricket too.


Pucovski looks fantastic in all his shots except against the short ball, that others easily evade, or hook and pull.

I missed it, but a mate who is former First  Grade cricketer thought he looked absolutely hopeless against a sustained short pitched barrage against a Sri Lankan bowler who bowls in the 140s. What was his name?

Also, Puck suffers from a few mental health issues.

 Mentally, coupled with his inability in dealing with the short ball, apparently due to past issues of being hit/injured, indicates Puck may not develop into the player he should given his lovely technique with his other shots.

Patterson does have a Test century , but at Test level, Patterson and Puck are inexperienced.

Head and Harris were our most consistent performers last summer against India and Sri Lanka, but they only average in the mid to high thirties. They have also only played about 6 Tests apiece.

Is Smith the same player he was?

Is Warner? He has averaged something like mid fifties in Aus and in the thirties overseas. At his age, will he improve in England?

Time will tell.

Usman still has not yet consolidated as a Test batter either.



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baggygreenmania - 4 Jul 2019 10:25 AM
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Fraid not. No mention of selector changes. Is Steve Waugh contemplating taking a greater part in Australian cricket? Make him a selector and batting coach.

I'm not sure Waugh would be any better as a selector than what we currently have, Baggers?

As a batting coach, why would he be any better than the likes of Ponting?
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Decentric - 4 Jul 2019 11:56 PM
baggygreenmania - 4 Jul 2019 10:25 AM

I'm not sure Waugh would be any better as a selector than what we currently have, Baggers?

As a batting coach, why would he be any better than the likes of Ponting?

Is Ponting our current batting coach? Tuggar gets my vote as he has what many batting coaches lack.. the rare ability to put never surrender your wicket. Even Ponting wasted his innings on occasions. Waugh never.. as he put such a huge price on his wicket. Reason CA wants him along as a mentor for the Ashes.
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baggygreenmania - 5 Jul 2019 11:38 AM
Decentric - 4 Jul 2019 11:56 PM

Is Ponting our current batting coach? Tuggar gets my vote as he has what many batting coaches lack.. a career where he displayed that rare ability to never surrender your wicket. Even Ponting wasted his innings on occasions. Waugh never.. as he put such a huge price on his wicket. Reason CA wants him along as a mentor for the Ashes.



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