The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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Yup. Jobs and energy security for going coal free.
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Munrubenmuz - 9 May 2019 7:52 AM
The Daily Telegraph yesterday plumbing new depths.  You have to wonder just how low can newspapers go.

Haha, when even Andrew Bolt is saying it's low, you know its a step too far.
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Burztur - 10 May 2019 12:07 AM
Munrubenmuz - 9 May 2019 7:52 AM

Haha, when even Andrew Bolt is saying it's low, you know its a step too far.

Bolta  has in the past actually done some decent things and called out the huns  sister papers . Rare but he does it
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sub007 - 9 May 2019 11:46 PM


There is nothing less attractive or funny about women swearing like this.

Just a lot of "sh@tf@ckery"!

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mouflonrouge - 11 May 2019 8:21 AM
sub007 - 9 May 2019 11:46 PM

There is nothing less attractive or funny about women swearing like this.

Just a lot of "sh@tf@ckery"!

Who cares if they were swearing.

The substance is whats important and if anyone watches that and still votes Liberal, they have rocks in their head.
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sub007 - 11 May 2019 4:46 PM
mouflonrouge - 11 May 2019 8:21 AM

Who cares if they were swearing.

The substance is whats important and if anyone watches that and still votes Liberal, they have rocks in their head.

There was no substance at all other than a lot of profanity and cynicism.

Not very classy at all, or even funny.

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When is Bill Shortfused going to start telling the truth that the Pensioners Franking Credits are NOT a gift because the dividends have already paid company tax on the profit which is why they are fully franked.

Bill Shortfused wants to double dip and stop pensioners claiming back the amount of tax dependent on their income bracket.

Pensioners rely on that to fund their retirement.

What a terrible liar he is...

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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 12:20 PM
When is Bill Shortfused going to start telling the truth that the Pensioners Franking Credits are NOT a gift because the dividends have already paid company tax on the profit which is why they are fully franked.

Bill Shortfused wants to double dip and stop pensioners claiming back the amount of tax dependent on their income bracket.

Pensioners rely on that to fund their retirement.

What a terrible liar he is...

Wrong.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-12/franking-credits-dividend-imputation-retirement-tax-explained/10799230


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mouflonrouge - 11 May 2019 7:15 PM


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sub007 - 11 May 2019 4:46 PM

There was no substance at all other than a lot of profanity and cynicism.

Not very classy at all, or even funny.

So listing the Liberal's shitty policies and explaining why they're terrible isn't policy substance? lol k.
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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 12:20 PM
When is Bill Shortfused going to start telling the truth that the Pensioners Franking Credits are NOT a gift because the dividends have already paid company tax on the profit which is why they are fully franked.

Bill Shortfused wants to double dip and stop pensioners claiming back the amount of tax dependent on their income bracket.

Pensioners rely on that to fund their retirement.

What a terrible liar he is...

They will still get tax reducing benefits from FC, they just can't get a cash refund from them ffs.

-PB

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sub007 - 12 May 2019 3:16 PM
mouflonrouge - 11 May 2019 7:15 PM

So listing the Liberal's shitty policies and explaining why they're terrible isn't policy substance? lol k.

That didn’t list anything and it certainly didn’t discuss policy. 

I don’t think they can read because every second word was a swear word. Not funny! 
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paulbagzFC - 12 May 2019 7:09 PM
mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 12:20 PM

They will still get tax reducing benefits from FC, they just can't get a cash refund from them ffs.

-PB

Why not? 

If the company paid the 30% tax on the dividend. And the shareholder retiree is on a lower bracket then why shouldn’t they get a refund like everyone else? 
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Didn't Treasury/Parliamentary Budget Office say that 96% or 94% of the population won't be impacted by the Franking Credit change? 
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Burztur - 12 May 2019 8:09 PM
Didn't Treasury/Parliamentary Budget Office say that 96% or 94% of the population won't be impacted by the Franking Credit change? 

The only people affected are pensioners because they are the only ones to be in the lower income brackets where they can claim some of the 30% franking credit or tax that was paid. 

Low income people are the o es that will be affected as high income earners normally pay more because they are in the high tax bracket. 

Our most vulnerable people are getting slammed! 
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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 8:49 PM
Burztur - 12 May 2019 8:09 PM

The only people affected are pensioners because they are the only ones to be in the lower income brackets where they can claim some of the 30% franking credit or tax that was paid. 

Low income people are the o es that will be affected as high income earners normally pay more because they are in the high tax bracket. 

Our most vulnerable people are getting slammed! 

I doubt our most vulnerable will have an investment portfolio where they are claiming refunds from franking credits.
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Burztur - 12 May 2019 8:52 PM
mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 8:49 PM

I doubt our most vulnerable will have an investment portfolio where they are claiming refunds from franking credits.

Well there are many pensioners that have shares and the ones that will be affected by the franking credit are the ones on the lower tiers of the tax brackets. 

I remember my my parents had shares and they were not high income or wealthy. And they waited for their 3 or 4 k in dividends. It really meant a lot to them. 

They too too were living week to week and their small share portfolio only subsidized their pension. They had to do a tax return but they were very low income. These are the kinds of retirees that will be affected. 
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Great Liberal policy announcement at the launch. 

The Coalition is going to guarantee every singly first home buyer for most of their deposit in buying a home, so first homebuyers only need a 5% deposit. This is awesome. 

The First Home Buyer Deposit Guarantee Scheme looks to get first home buyers into the market with a 5% deposit. 

Very sensible policy lice as opposed to Shortfused interference with the market which will raise rents and still not get first home buyers into the market.

scoMomentum really going for it now. 
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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 9:18 PM
Great Liberal policy announcement at the launch. 

The Coalition is going to guarantee every singly first home buyer for most of their deposit in buying a home, so first homebuyers only need a 5% deposit. This is awesome. 

The First Home Buyer Deposit Guarantee Scheme looks to get first home buyers into the market with a 5% deposit. 

Very sensible policy lice as opposed to Shortfused interference with the market which will raise rents and still not get first home buyers into the market.

scoMomentum really going for it now. 

Labor have literally said that they'd do the same policy lol.
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sub007 - 12 May 2019 10:43 PM
mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 9:18 PM

Labor have literally said that they'd do the same policy lol.

Dont  bother with aikhme.  He just wants to argue . He wont change his mind because in it he is always right . Let him be. If labour win next week I want to see if he comes in here or not. 
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 12 May 2019 11:09 PM
sub007 - 12 May 2019 10:43 PM

Dont  bother with aikhme.  He just wants to argue . He wont change his mind because in it he is always right . Let him be. If labour win next week I want to see if he comes in here or not. 

Yeah I'm not gonna bother replying to him.

If Labor win, he'd probably claim the election was rigged or that there was foreign interference lol.
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sub007 - 12 May 2019 11:22 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 12 May 2019 11:09 PM

Yeah I'm not gonna bother replying to him.

If Labor win, he'd probably claim the election was rigged or that there was foreign interference lol.

Like  a true tin foil wearing conspiracy  nut.  Funny thing is he'll be back here later to claim were bullying him . 


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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 12 May 2019 11:24 PM
sub007 - 12 May 2019 11:22 PM

Like  a true tin foil wearing conspiracy  nut.  Funny thing is he'll be back here later to claim were bullying him . 


So true lol.
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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 9:13 PM
Burztur - 12 May 2019 8:52 PM

Well there are many pensioners that have shares and the ones that will be affected by the franking credit are the ones on the lower tiers of the tax brackets. 

I remember my my parents had shares and they were not high income or wealthy. And they waited for their 3 or 4 k in dividends. It really meant a lot to them. 

They too too were living week to week and their small share portfolio only subsidized their pension. They had to do a tax return but they were very low income. These are the kinds of retirees that will be affected. 

Not really, just looking at "taxable income" isn't a fair representation of someones wealth.

As previously noted, "taxable income" does not include the largest source of income for many retires: tax-free superannuation.

Nor does it tell us much about the overall wealth of those claiming refundable franking credits.The Grattan Institute's Ms Wood said analysing the changes by focusing on taxable income did little to explain the economic position of those affected by the policy change.

In a recent submission to a House of Representatives Inquiry, the Grattan Institute gave the following example."Take the example of a self-funded retiree couple with a $3.2 million super balance, plus their own home, and $200,000 in Australian shares held outside super.

Even drawing $130,000 a year in superannuation income, and $15,000 a year in dividend income, they would report a combined taxable income of just $15,000 and pay no income tax whatsoever."

Calculations by the Grattan Institute show when superannuation income is removed from ABS income and wealth survey data (reflecting taxable income), almost half of the wealthiest 10 per cent of those over 65 report income of less than the $18,200 tax free threshold and thus pay no tax.

On average, however, this group had wealth of nearly $2 million, even before factoring in the value of their home or other property assets.

This illustrates the extent to which individuals with relatively high levels of untaxed incomes (including from superannuation) and wealth have low taxable incomes.


Furthermore,

According to the Parliamentary Budget Offices estimates, there are some 320,000 pensioners and allowance recipients who claim refunds for excess imputation credits.

Those estimates show the guarantee would reduce revenue by $300 million in 2021-22, or just 5 per cent.

The relatively small loss of revenue due to the guarantee in itself suggests most of the revenue from the policy is not coming from full or part pensioners, but wealthier retirees.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-30/fact-check-labors-dividend-imputation-policy/10626204

So basically this policy goes after an unsustainable handout to a generation of asset-rich retirees who already draw tax-free income from their super, while leaving genuine low-income retirees relatively unscathed. This couldn't have come soon enough.


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sub007 - 12 May 2019 11:22 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 12 May 2019 11:09 PM

Yeah I'm not gonna bother replying to him.

If Labor win, he'd probably claim the election was rigged or that there was foreign interference lol.

Odds are firming up for the ALP. Would be interesting to see how the final week goes. Sounds like Libs are defending as many seats as they can in Vic.
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Burztur - 13 May 2019 12:16 AM
sub007 - 12 May 2019 11:22 PM

Odds are firming up for the ALP. Would be interesting to see how the final week goes. Sounds like Libs are defending as many seats as they can in Vic.

The liberals brand in Victoria is damaged beyond repair . State lnp had basically  been wiped out . And the mess that the leadership coup is still remembered down here
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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 7:59 PM
paulbagzFC - 12 May 2019 7:09 PM

Why not? 

If the company paid the 30% tax on the dividend. And the shareholder retiree is on a lower bracket then why shouldn’t they get a refund like everyone else? 

Because then it means they're already paying 0 tax to begin with.

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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 9:18 PM
Great Liberal policy announcement at the launch. 

The Coalition is going to guarantee every singly first home buyer for most of their deposit in buying a home, so first homebuyers only need a 5% deposit. This is awesome. 

The First Home Buyer Deposit Guarantee Scheme looks to get first home buyers into the market with a 5% deposit. 

Very sensible policy lice as opposed to Shortfused interference with the market which will raise rents and still not get first home buyers into the market.

scoMomentum really going for it now. 

So now new homer buyers in Sydney Melbourne only need 50k, and will still have to deal with LMI.

LOL.

-PB

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mouflonrouge - 12 May 2019 9:18 PM

So now new homer buyers in Sydney Melbourne only need 50k, and will still have to deal with LMI.

LOL.

-PB
 
The pettiness is strong in this one
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Personally, if you can only afford a 5% deposit, I wouldn't want someone going in and buying a property at that value. You're encouraging people into debt traps more than anything.
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