Most people still use it synonymously with sex. So whose right, mainstream society or the radical feminist theory courses?

Heil Scomo!

And I'm a little teapot, short and stout!

Yes those old crusty top end of town pensioners!

Of course the Left is more guilty of pushing its social engineering based on made up nonsense- so much so that they are now corrupting the sciences with their garbage.

Stan Grant nailed it.  Australia and the world at large does not want your social engineering.

Australia dodged the Socialist bullet today thank heavens.

people have rejected divisive identity politics and class warfare.

Fortress Queensland saves Australia from a rotten scourge.

looking forward to friendly Jordies next video.

Boomers unironically are the worst generation to have ever existed on this planet. So selfish and greedy, and when someone attempts to claw back one of the many handouts they've been given (negative gearing, capital gains concessions, franking credit refunds) they sperg out and have a shit-fit despite them being patently unsustainable policies. 

Salty! So delicious!

I want some more...

Dat Palmer advertising lol

-PB

once again, have some more salt 433 lol.......

Not sure how that constitutes salt but ok.

Woke up this morning and looks like the Libs are going to take back Wentworth.  This election is the gift that keeps on giving. 😀

Libs wining the election equal = salt
Libs winning the election when Labor expected too = salt + lemon

At least give me some tequila then.

Wow, you'd think the soycialists would have displayed some contrition by now, but they still stubbornly and arrogantly hold themselves up as some morally superior paragons of virtue. They didn't learn from the 2016 US election or Brexit, when they sneered at the working classes for voting the leave the EU.

This is the problem with the modern left - elitists who have completely lost touch with their traditional voter base, utterly despising the working classes. The reactions of lefties in this thread just confirms it; complete denial. A Bob Hawke-like figure would have romped this election, but of course the modern ALP would never have such a masculine man as their leader.

This is just to Rusty and Rusty only.  And this is a genuine question.

How does someone who doesn't feel comfortable identifying as a man or woman, for whatever reason, affect you?  Can you explain how you are personally put out by allowing someone to call themselves, or identify, as another gender?

I simply can't understand the angst.  Could I ever see myself marrying another man or calling myself a woman? No.  But does that mean I have to be against other people who want to do the same?

Please help me understand what your problem is.



As for 'gender fluidity' and all that which obviously gets your hackles up.  There is obviously a spectrum.  You only have to look at a 'woman' like Caster Semanya to see that, despite your offerings and the fact she doesn't have a dick, it's not as clear cut as you would like to make out.

As for the election.  No problems from me that the Coalition got re-elected.  I'm disappointed but that's democracy for you.



Malcolm Roberts though.  Honestly.  To have a fringe conspiracy theorist like him him back in Parliament is worrying.  The bloke is way off his chops.  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Malcolm_Roberts 

Oh.  And George Christensen.  Spends one third of his time as an elected member supposedly 'representing his constituency' in the Philippines and gets re-elected with an increased majority.  What ?!  I'd love to ask someone from his electorate to explain their rationale.

What the hell qld?  At least Fraser anning had been booted

My answer is the same if you were to ask me why someone who is white Australian cannot identify as yellow Chinese or black African.  Or a human cannot identify as an tiger, an alien or a shovel.

There are things which are objectively true and one of those things is genitals and genetics defining your gender and not your feelings.  If we cannot look at someone and make assumptions about their gender, then we have to apply the same approach to everything we see, hear, touch in life.  This manifests into a kind of collective neurosis where everyone is constantly doubting everything and unable to convince the mind of that which the physical faculties are sensing.  Unable to correlate the senses with reality, senses essentially become redundant other than for navigating the physical world.

Also the truth has value and societies which value and respect the truth are stronger, more efficient and smarter than societies that base truth on subjective feelings over than physical, tangible evidence.

Caster Semanya and other hermaphrodites are not proof of gender fluidity but examples of a rare sexual biological defect, there existence does not change the fact that gender is more or less binary.  On that point we see many examples of athletes being cheated out of medals, earnings and honour because mixed gender people are unfairly competing as women.  This gender bias against women will only worsen as more blokes start to compete and cheat as women.

I have no problem referring to someone by their preferred he/she pronoun, it’s a small compromise to make for the sake of another persons mental health and happiness, but the government regulating gender to appease a tiny % of the population is deeply immoral and sick.

Excellent! We need to get rid of that Phelps!

So umm how does that affect you again?  I see a lot of words but no answer to my original question.  (Or after having a reread, and if I'm reading that correctly, having to guess a person's gender is going to make you (or society or both) mentally unstable?) 

Also this...... "there (sic) existence does not change the fact that gender is more or less binary."

"more or less binary'.  So am I to take from your words that it's not a hard and fast, black and white fact did you misspeak?  Because 'more or less' means to me that you're contradicting yourself by admitting, reluctantly, that's it's not as clear cut as you say it is.

Or did you mean to say "gender is binary" full stop exclamation point?
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Thanks for your answer but I'm really not sure what the objection is because, as you say, it's a 'small compromise to make for the sake of someone's mental health'.  Isn't the whole point of the government, besides economic and other imperatives, to govern for all and not just some? 

This is basically it.

But they never learn. If they were normal you would think they would have taken a good hard look at themselves but they keep insisting they are morally superior paragons of virtue as you put it, to justify their class war and identity politics nonsense.

Even after BREXIT and Trump they keep pushing. They are the elitists. Those who reject their politics are the workers of Australia who roll up their sleeves everyday. All the poeple that roll their sleeves are aspirational. They work to create a better life for themselves. They don't want to be slugged and taxed to buggery by these elitists and be told they are "top end of town".

I realise this is a bit late, lol, but he was indeed one of the great Prime Ministers, regardless of one's political views.

The other thing about Hawkey that sticks in my mind, and this wasn't really an official policy from memory, was how proudly Australian we were as a nation during his tenure. It wasn't a faux-nationalism that we've sometimes seen in the last 20 years with Australia Day and ANZAC Day, but it was a truly organic pride in our nation. I can't remember exactly how he did it, or if he in fact even had policies regarding this, but I don't recall Australians ever being more proud to be ourselves as a nation. The only times I've felt this since Hawke is when the Socceroos qualified for Germany in 2005, and at the tournament proper.

For the modern left, and those lamenting this weekend's result in what should have been an unlosable election, I really believe an inspirational Hawke-type leader is what the people are crying out for - sensible economic policies, inclusiveness, helping families, while ditching the elitist, identity politics claptrap that the majority of people don't care about. 

Bravo libs. I think the they had a tactically smart election campaign. I think a lot of the reaction on Twitter is largely the reason this happened. No one learns on the left. 

I never said gender is binary, but that doesn’t make it fluid either.  Gender fluidity would imply that gender is a spectrum  with some more female or male than others.  This isn’t true, gender is as I said more or less binary; male, female, and those with biological defect who have both aspects of both male/female genitalia.

Refer to my answer re the affects it has; mass neurosis, devaluing truth, cheating etc.  Perhaps none of these are knock out blows and to be honest it doesn’t really affect me that much, but the reality is gender is a scientific fact not some social construct that governments can alter at will.

Quoted!

LOL

Personally, I'm much better off financially under a liberal government. At the end of the day, if some dumb country fucks on minimum wage want to vote to give me a tax cut then I'm fine with that lmao

With regards to being proud of Australia I think a few things contributed to that .  Bob ditched God Save the Queen, which I remember singing at school, for Advance Australia Fair.  The bicentenary was also coming up during his tenure which was a pretty big deal.  (You'd have to wonder whether a celebration like that would fly these days with the hand-wringers.)  Keating was blasting the poms at the time about various things.  (How England abandoned us during WW2 when Singapore fell, how we had to cut the apron strings etc etc.) 

The America's cup of course and how we stuck it to the seppos which united the nation.

There was also a fair groundswell of support for a republic even though there wasn't a vote for years.  There was also a big push on for us to get a new flag which was exciting at the time.  Hawkey established APEC, led from the front and pushed hard against apartheid which I personally thought was fantastic.  (I'm sure I wasn't alone.)  

Hawke also granted asylum to 10 000 Chinese students after Tiananmen Square which was huge at the time and went against popular opinion.  (I read somewhere that Hawke was told this wasn't going to be popular and instead of backing away from the commitment he said 'tell me what to say to convince them'.)  Brilliant.  Strength of character and convictions. 

I think in general we, strutted is not the right word, behaved and acted (perhaps) like a world player.  (Which under Hawke, we pretty much were.)

I realise 'nostalgia is not what it used to be' but I do remember those years fondly.