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+xClubs have not yet explored the full possibilities of expoliting their intellectual property(IP) Once they own this clubs can go full tilt at merchandising and building their brands. Getting a marquee player then becomes logical,because they can get the merchandising payoff and income from other activities like endorsements. FFA's thirst for power under the Lowy regime made it pointless for clubs to invest to build value in their name,because they ddint own the IP. The FFA got the money and gave handouts to the clubs.The ultimate socialist system.Now everything is turned on it's head and the clubs can make the money and through the new independent setup ,give the welfare to FFA. No doubt the clubs will make mistakes and there will be the usual bitters complaining about how it was better under the Lowy regime . However they will be incorrect . The owners may make mistakes but most of them know that that is how you learn so will soon be on their way to making their clubs bigger. As in any private enterprise some clubs will do it better than others ,but that is normal . The "new dawn" has already yielded so many improvements in a very short space of time . When I think back to this time last year when I was feeling our game was being put to the sword by an FFA that was hellbent on self destruction if it didn't get its way......wow we have come a long way in the last 7 months (post Lowy). I am now cautiously optimistic about our game going forward after stagnating for at least 5 years .
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+x+x+x+x+xGenuinely shocked people actually want to keep Pepper. Our worst ever streak as a club coincides with him being in the team. Hes not been good at any of his previous stops either. I get there are things he is alright at, which some people could cling to over the past two farcical seasons, but there are so many things he is horrendous at that are unforgivable for a 27 year old professional footballer. Hes not 19 and learning on the job. I've been saying it for years; if we are a contending team, he should be nowhere near a matchday squad. Theres a reason why Sydney/Victory arent going anywhere near him and neither should have we in the first place tbh. Could not agree more ...he is sub A-league standard and at 27 always will be ....I also hold this view of Hingert. I’m more sympathetic to your view on Hingert than I am Pepper. Hingert has has been a starter and is on a starters salary of something like $200k - could that money buy a better player? Yes, and we had one in Franjic but Aloisi chose Hingert instead. Pepper is not a starter and is not on big money, he’s on something like $80k - with that money could we buy better? No, not a chance, it would just be another name but the same complaints. If he is on 80k I hope he has some sort of backup plan . That is not enough to set up for life after football. I would rather spend that money on a young player with potential ....but yeah I get that the salary cap means we have to have substandard players so we can have the better ones. That's why I would like to see it either removed or at least raised considerably. It promotes mediocrity. Cap or no cap, players of Pepper’s ability will still Ben playing in the HAL. The only difference is that the poorer clubs like CCM, Jets, Nix and Roar will have entire squads of players of Pepper’s ability and have little or no chance or recruiting better players. That promotes mediocrity. Roar aren’t a poor club otherwise they wouldn’t outspend the majority if other clubs. They have one of the wealthiest owners in the competition who’s coffers are overflowing with recent success in African mining. Roar outspend all but 3-4 clubs on salaries, they’re the only club to run a free academy, Fowler and Grant won’t come cheap, and they’re certainly richer than the pissants that you conveniently omitted from your list of “poorer clubs” lol. Maybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs?
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+xMaybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs? This idea interests me. A sliding scale of remuneration depending on the proportion of value added could be scalable to allow a theoretically unlimited number of teams provided they could operate with their smaller end of the scale while "tent pole" clubs (to borrow a Hollywood term) would prop up the commercial viability of the league system as a whole.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xGenuinely shocked people actually want to keep Pepper. Our worst ever streak as a club coincides with him being in the team. Hes not been good at any of his previous stops either. I get there are things he is alright at, which some people could cling to over the past two farcical seasons, but there are so many things he is horrendous at that are unforgivable for a 27 year old professional footballer. Hes not 19 and learning on the job. I've been saying it for years; if we are a contending team, he should be nowhere near a matchday squad. Theres a reason why Sydney/Victory arent going anywhere near him and neither should have we in the first place tbh. Could not agree more ...he is sub A-league standard and at 27 always will be ....I also hold this view of Hingert. I’m more sympathetic to your view on Hingert than I am Pepper. Hingert has has been a starter and is on a starters salary of something like $200k - could that money buy a better player? Yes, and we had one in Franjic but Aloisi chose Hingert instead. Pepper is not a starter and is not on big money, he’s on something like $80k - with that money could we buy better? No, not a chance, it would just be another name but the same complaints. If he is on 80k I hope he has some sort of backup plan . That is not enough to set up for life after football. I would rather spend that money on a young player with potential ....but yeah I get that the salary cap means we have to have substandard players so we can have the better ones. That's why I would like to see it either removed or at least raised considerably. It promotes mediocrity. Cap or no cap, players of Pepper’s ability will still Ben playing in the HAL. The only difference is that the poorer clubs like CCM, Jets, Nix and Roar will have entire squads of players of Pepper’s ability and have little or no chance or recruiting better players. That promotes mediocrity. Roar aren’t a poor club otherwise they wouldn’t outspend the majority if other clubs. They have one of the wealthiest owners in the competition who’s coffers are overflowing with recent success in African mining. Roar outspend all but 3-4 clubs on salaries, they’re the only club to run a free academy, Fowler and Grant won’t come cheap, and they’re certainly richer than the pissants that you conveniently omitted from your list of “poorer clubs” lol. Maybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs? I have seen nothing to suggest that Roar outspend most clubs. They don’t really have any star Aussie player except for O’Neill and their imports are of a much lower calibre than the import players at other clubs. Fowler and Grant should been relatively cheap. It’s Fowler’s first job and shouldn’t be demanding a late salary. As for Adelaide, we are spending more than we ever have before. We won’t spend as much as Victory or Sydney (maybe City as well) but the club will spend more as has already done this by paying transfer fees for two young players. We are rumoured to have a Norwegian striker coming and he is contracted for another couple of years so we may pay a fee for him as well. “Maybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs.” If we are going to have a socialist system, have it for everyone instead of having it just for the rich clubs. Socialism for the rich is a very unfair system and the likes of CCM and the Jets shouldn’t be forced to become feeder clubs for the Sydney and Melbourne clubs in order to survive.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGenuinely shocked people actually want to keep Pepper. Our worst ever streak as a club coincides with him being in the team. Hes not been good at any of his previous stops either. I get there are things he is alright at, which some people could cling to over the past two farcical seasons, but there are so many things he is horrendous at that are unforgivable for a 27 year old professional footballer. Hes not 19 and learning on the job. I've been saying it for years; if we are a contending team, he should be nowhere near a matchday squad. Theres a reason why Sydney/Victory arent going anywhere near him and neither should have we in the first place tbh. Could not agree more ...he is sub A-league standard and at 27 always will be ....I also hold this view of Hingert. I’m more sympathetic to your view on Hingert than I am Pepper. Hingert has has been a starter and is on a starters salary of something like $200k - could that money buy a better player? Yes, and we had one in Franjic but Aloisi chose Hingert instead. Pepper is not a starter and is not on big money, he’s on something like $80k - with that money could we buy better? No, not a chance, it would just be another name but the same complaints. If he is on 80k I hope he has some sort of backup plan . That is not enough to set up for life after football. I would rather spend that money on a young player with potential ....but yeah I get that the salary cap means we have to have substandard players so we can have the better ones. That's why I would like to see it either removed or at least raised considerably. It promotes mediocrity. Cap or no cap, players of Pepper’s ability will still Ben playing in the HAL. The only difference is that the poorer clubs like CCM, Jets, Nix and Roar will have entire squads of players of Pepper’s ability and have little or no chance or recruiting better players. That promotes mediocrity. Roar aren’t a poor club otherwise they wouldn’t outspend the majority if other clubs. They have one of the wealthiest owners in the competition who’s coffers are overflowing with recent success in African mining. Roar outspend all but 3-4 clubs on salaries, they’re the only club to run a free academy, Fowler and Grant won’t come cheap, and they’re certainly richer than the pissants that you conveniently omitted from your list of “poorer clubs” lol. Maybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs? I have seen nothing to suggest that Roar outspend most clubs. They don’t really have any star Aussie player except for O’Neill and their imports are of a much lower calibre than the import players at other clubs. Fowler and Grant should been relatively cheap. It’s Fowler’s first job and shouldn’t be demanding a late salary. As for Adelaide, we are spending more than we ever have before. We won’t spend as much as Victory or Sydney (maybe City as well) but the club will spend more as has already done this by paying transfer fees for two young players. We are rumoured to have a Norwegian striker coming and he is contracted for another couple of years so we may pay a fee for him as well. “Maybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs.” If we are going to have a socialist system, have it for everyone instead of having it just for the rich clubs. Socialism for the rich is a very unfair system and the likes of CCM and the Jets shouldn’t be forced to become feeder clubs for the Sydney and Melbourne clubs in order to survive. they already are ....and that's under a cap system
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xGenuinely shocked people actually want to keep Pepper. Our worst ever streak as a club coincides with him being in the team. Hes not been good at any of his previous stops either. I get there are things he is alright at, which some people could cling to over the past two farcical seasons, but there are so many things he is horrendous at that are unforgivable for a 27 year old professional footballer. Hes not 19 and learning on the job. I've been saying it for years; if we are a contending team, he should be nowhere near a matchday squad. Theres a reason why Sydney/Victory arent going anywhere near him and neither should have we in the first place tbh. Could not agree more ...he is sub A-league standard and at 27 always will be ....I also hold this view of Hingert. I’m more sympathetic to your view on Hingert than I am Pepper. Hingert has has been a starter and is on a starters salary of something like $200k - could that money buy a better player? Yes, and we had one in Franjic but Aloisi chose Hingert instead. Pepper is not a starter and is not on big money, he’s on something like $80k - with that money could we buy better? No, not a chance, it would just be another name but the same complaints. If he is on 80k I hope he has some sort of backup plan . That is not enough to set up for life after football. I would rather spend that money on a young player with potential ....but yeah I get that the salary cap means we have to have substandard players so we can have the better ones. That's why I would like to see it either removed or at least raised considerably. It promotes mediocrity. Cap or no cap, players of Pepper’s ability will still Ben playing in the HAL. The only difference is that the poorer clubs like CCM, Jets, Nix and Roar will have entire squads of players of Pepper’s ability and have little or no chance or recruiting better players. That promotes mediocrity. Roar aren’t a poor club otherwise they wouldn’t outspend the majority if other clubs. They have one of the wealthiest owners in the competition who’s coffers are overflowing with recent success in African mining. Roar outspend all but 3-4 clubs on salaries, they’re the only club to run a free academy, Fowler and Grant won’t come cheap, and they’re certainly richer than the pissants that you conveniently omitted from your list of “poorer clubs” lol. Maybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs? I have seen nothing to suggest that Roar outspend most clubs. They don’t really have any star Aussie player except for O’Neill and their imports are of a much lower calibre than the import players at other clubs. Fowler and Grant should been relatively cheap. It’s Fowler’s first job and shouldn’t be demanding a late salary. As for Adelaide, we are spending more than we ever have before. We won’t spend as much as Victory or Sydney (maybe City as well) but the club will spend more as has already done this by paying transfer fees for two young players. We are rumoured to have a Norwegian striker coming and he is contracted for another couple of years so we may pay a fee for him as well. “Maybe the independent A League should divert tv revenues to the clubs that drive media and viewership (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane sides) on a proportionate basis, that way the small clubs don’t feel like they’re leaching off the bigger clubs.” If we are going to have a socialist system, have it for everyone instead of having it just for the rich clubs. Socialism for the rich is a very unfair system and the likes of CCM and the Jets shouldn’t be forced to become feeder clubs for the Sydney and Melbourne clubs in order to survive. they already are ....and that's under a cap system They aren’t. CCM have been poorly run but things look to be on the up now. They will do better this year. The rebuild will truly begin in the 20/21 when they offload expensive duds like Simon and McGlinchey as well as a few others. The Jets were on the up and had decent squad over the last couple of seasons. Unfortunately Trump’s tariffs hit Martin Lee hard and he’s had to slash the budget.
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+x+x+xGenuinely shocked people actually want to keep Pepper. Our worst ever streak as a club coincides with him being in the team. Hes not been good at any of his previous stops either. I get there are things he is alright at, which some people could cling to over the past two farcical seasons, but there are so many things he is horrendous at that are unforgivable for a 27 year old professional footballer. Hes not 19 and learning on the job. I've been saying it for years; if we are a contending team, he should be nowhere near a matchday squad. Theres a reason why Sydney/Victory arent going anywhere near him and neither should have we in the first place tbh. Could not agree more ...he is sub A-league standard and at 27 always will be ....I also hold this view of Hingert. I’m more sympathetic to your view on Hingert than I am Pepper. Hingert has has been a starter and is on a starters salary of something like $200k - could that money buy a better player? Yes, and we had one in Franjic but Aloisi chose Hingert instead. Pepper is not a starter and is not on big money, he’s on something like $80k - with that money could we buy better? No, not a chance, it would just be another name but the same complaints. Before having caught up on the rest of the chat around this... it's not simply "who could we get better for 80k?". I see it more as, Pepper (80k) + Player X (200k) could have been 280k spent on Player Y - an upgrade over both.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+xGenuinely shocked people actually want to keep Pepper. Our worst ever streak as a club coincides with him being in the team. Hes not been good at any of his previous stops either. I get there are things he is alright at, which some people could cling to over the past two farcical seasons, but there are so many things he is horrendous at that are unforgivable for a 27 year old professional footballer. Hes not 19 and learning on the job. I've been saying it for years; if we are a contending team, he should be nowhere near a matchday squad. Theres a reason why Sydney/Victory arent going anywhere near him and neither should have we in the first place tbh. Could not agree more ...he is sub A-league standard and at 27 always will be ....I also hold this view of Hingert. I’m more sympathetic to your view on Hingert than I am Pepper. Hingert has has been a starter and is on a starters salary of something like $200k - could that money buy a better player? Yes, and we had one in Franjic but Aloisi chose Hingert instead. Pepper is not a starter and is not on big money, he’s on something like $80k - with that money could we buy better? No, not a chance, it would just be another name but the same complaints. Before having caught up on the rest of the chat around this... it's not simply "who could we get better for 80k?". I see it more as, Pepper (80k) + Player X (200k) could have been 280k spent on Player Y - an upgrade over both. BrissyRoo I don’t think it’s quite that straightforward although that has to be a factor when considering a player signing, the post Ange era was apparently characterised by Roar overpaying for players across the board to the extent we were paying $60k more for certain positions so not something as a club they got on top of and it must have restricted their ability to retain/sign new players. The reason it’s not so straightforward is again the cap which specifies both the maximum total amount that can be spent as well as the minimum amount on an individual player, then the added complication that the cap specifies both a maximum number of squad players (23) and a minimum (20). So so it’s not a case of taking Peppers salary and adding it elsewhere because you’ve got to have at least 20 players and spend a minimum of $45k on any one player (youth) or (I think) $65k on an adult player. The last east thing I’d say is Pepper is actually a reasonable player. There’s plenty of keyboard warriors that disagree and are sure of their position ... but Poppa, Fowler and a whole host of professional coaches agree with me - I also think Pepper, as a squaddie, is a better player than a couple of clubs are going to be starting with this season. I’ll take that.
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Once again Waz your talking up Pepper.
But I actually agree with you !
pepper played most games last season out of his traditional position, and uninjured, and apart from some mistakes, did ok for me.
Look at the the rest of our cbs. Devere frequently injured, papa jumped from the sinking ship, Bowles does dumb shit at times and injured. Others were young guys without loads of senoir experience.
We were poor last year but it wasn't because of Pepper.
I was never ever a fan but give the guy some credit, as he stood up and sucked it up last year.
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What's happening with the academy set-up for next year? DP is very quiet on the subject.
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+xOnce again Waz your talking up Pepper. But I actually agree with you ! pepper played most games last season out of his traditional position, and uninjured, and apart from some mistakes, did ok for me. Look at the the rest of our cbs. Devere frequently injured, papa jumped from the sinking ship, Bowles does dumb shit at times and injured. Others were young guys without loads of senoir experience. We were poor last year but it wasn't because of Pepper. I was never ever a fan but give the guy some credit, as he stood up and sucked it up last year. Yeah, I do talk Pepper up but only because I see the foundation of a decent player there. The problem with players like Pepper is not ability but limited playing time. It starts at U20 level with limited game time mainly in the NYL, then gets worse at U23 level as they grow out of NYL and in to a squaddie for a HAL team with virtually no game time, and then the cycle starts where they move from club to club for minimum wage and limited game time. For players to develop they must play competitive games, not just train five times a week. Proper Loans, Div 2 and a Reserve League will help fix it but get rid of Pepper and all you’ll do is change the name on the back of the shirt, although he has got some talent I’m sure if it and is way better than most equivalent players imo
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+x+xOnce again Waz your talking up Pepper. But I actually agree with you ! pepper played most games last season out of his traditional position, and uninjured, and apart from some mistakes, did ok for me. Look at the the rest of our cbs. Devere frequently injured, papa jumped from the sinking ship, Bowles does dumb shit at times and injured. Others were young guys without loads of senoir experience. We were poor last year but it wasn't because of Pepper. I was never ever a fan but give the guy some credit, as he stood up and sucked it up last year. Yeah, I do talk Pepper up but only because I see the foundation of a decent player there. The problem with players like Pepper is not ability but limited playing time. It starts at U20 level with limited game time mainly in the NYL, then gets worse at U23 level as they grow out of NYL and in to a squaddie for a HAL team with virtually no game time, and then the cycle starts where they move from club to club for minimum wage and limited game time. For players to develop they must play competitive games, not just train five times a week. Proper Loans, Div 2 and a Reserve League will help fix it but get rid of Pepper and all you’ll do is change the name on the back of the shirt, although he has got some talent I’m sure if it and is way better than most equivalent players imo I'm not sure why so many people seem to have it in for Pepper. I agree with your assessment, Waz.
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Just to be sure, I wasn't having a go at Pepper or anyone.
Im quite happy to keep him, and yes game time is crucial for anyone.
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+x+x+xOnce again Waz your talking up Pepper. But I actually agree with you ! pepper played most games last season out of his traditional position, and uninjured, and apart from some mistakes, did ok for me. Look at the the rest of our cbs. Devere frequently injured, papa jumped from the sinking ship, Bowles does dumb shit at times and injured. Others were young guys without loads of senoir experience. We were poor last year but it wasn't because of Pepper. I was never ever a fan but give the guy some credit, as he stood up and sucked it up last year. Yeah, I do talk Pepper up but only because I see the foundation of a decent player there. The problem with players like Pepper is not ability but limited playing time. It starts at U20 level with limited game time mainly in the NYL, then gets worse at U23 level as they grow out of NYL and in to a squaddie for a HAL team with virtually no game time, and then the cycle starts where they move from club to club for minimum wage and limited game time. For players to develop they must play competitive games, not just train five times a week. Proper Loans, Div 2 and a Reserve League will help fix it but get rid of Pepper and all you’ll do is change the name on the back of the shirt, although he has got some talent I’m sure if it and is way better than most equivalent players imo I'm not sure why so many people seem to have it in for Pepper. I agree with your assessment, Waz. I have it in for Pepper if he plays as CB for us. Too many times out of position, dumb mistakes and fouls to be bad luck - but that is specifically as a CB. I would have him in my side if he stays forward of the DM - particularly as some form of central sweeper although that position may not actually exist. And if it does not exist then I hope RF has the vision to make it one when circumstances warrant it. Someone free to harass the opposition without taking anything away from our structured defence.
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Never been a fan of Bowles or Pepper, nothing personal, I'm sure they are top blokes. Don't mind them as squaddies, filling in every now and then when there are injuries etc, just don't think they should be starting or on the bench.
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+xNever been a fan of Bowles or Pepper, nothing personal, I'm sure they are top blokes. Don't mind them as squaddies, filling in every now and then when there are injuries etc, just don't think they should be starting or on the bench. exactly this, the problem with pepper was that he was picked as first choice CB last season. as a deep squad player he is great value
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+x+xNever been a fan of Bowles or Pepper, nothing personal, I'm sure they are top blokes. Don't mind them as squaddies, filling in every now and then when there are injuries etc, just don't think they should be starting or on the bench. exactly this, the problem with pepper was that he was picked as first choice CB last season. as a deep squad player he is great value He wasn’t picked as a first choice CB - he was behind Avraam, DeVere and Bowles. He was 4th pick
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Yes he was 4th, and with Bowles injured, devere injured or supposedly not fit, then Papa jumped, Pepper found himself sitting on top of the pile.
It was never planned that way I'm sure, it just turned out that way and I'm still gonna put him ahead of Bowles anyway.
Tho If Bowles stays fit and uninjured and he may get some game time to resurrect faith in him.
But id let him go. Too many dumb things from him, and I don't mean bad positional decisions, I mean dumb stuff like slide tackling a guy on the sideline and taking him out who is facing away from goal and getting yellow or getting a 2nd yellow for pulling a shirt and coping a red.
To be fair tho, Bautheac did dumb stuff too, but at least he was quality. I'm guessing frustration had much to do with these actions.
Hopefully RF will have the respect that his players will give him and that type of attitude will be a distant memory.
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+x+x+xNever been a fan of Bowles or Pepper, nothing personal, I'm sure they are top blokes. Don't mind them as squaddies, filling in every now and then when there are injuries etc, just don't think they should be starting or on the bench. exactly this, the problem with pepper was that he was picked as first choice CB last season. as a deep squad player he is great value He wasn’t picked as a first choice CB - he was behind Avraam, DeVere and Bowles. He was 4th pick he was behind Avraam but he was above bowles and devere, That makes him a first choice CB along with Papa. Even when devere was fit he was not picked above pepper same with bowles. I remember clearly you saying last preseason that you were expecting Pepper to be the starting CB and that turned out to be true which is shown in his stats (20 starts). devere was absolutely last pick even when he was fit because he clearly fell out with JA
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+x+x+x+xNever been a fan of Bowles or Pepper, nothing personal, I'm sure they are top blokes. Don't mind them as squaddies, filling in every now and then when there are injuries etc, just don't think they should be starting or on the bench. exactly this, the problem with pepper was that he was picked as first choice CB last season. as a deep squad player he is great value He wasn’t picked as a first choice CB - he was behind Avraam, DeVere and Bowles. He was 4th pick he was behind Avraam but he was above bowles and devere, That makes him a first choice CB along with Papa. Even when devere was fit he was not picked above pepper same with bowles. I remember clearly you saying last preseason that you were expecting Pepper to be the starting CB and that turned out to be true which is shown in his stats (20 starts). devere was absolutely last pick even when he was fit because he clearly fell out with JA No, preseason expectations were a DeVere/Avram pairing - both of those players were on big $$$. As preseason went on and DeVere wasn’t playing it became apparent Avraam would need a new partner and the question shifted to who ... I’ve never thought much of Bowles so I’d pick Pepper every time. But you cant say Pepper is a first pick, he’s a squaddie on minimum wage and is signed repeatedly on a one year contract (Bowles is on a multi year contract that, along with him getting paid more than Pepper, indicates Peppers lowly standing ) and this year Pepper is still a squaddie - there’s no indication he’ll start unless someone is injured or out of form.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+xNever been a fan of Bowles or Pepper, nothing personal, I'm sure they are top blokes. Don't mind them as squaddies, filling in every now and then when there are injuries etc, just don't think they should be starting or on the bench. exactly this, the problem with pepper was that he was picked as first choice CB last season. as a deep squad player he is great value He wasn’t picked as a first choice CB - he was behind Avraam, DeVere and Bowles. He was 4th pick he was behind Avraam but he was above bowles and devere, That makes him a first choice CB along with Papa. Even when devere was fit he was not picked above pepper same with bowles. I remember clearly you saying last preseason that you were expecting Pepper to be the starting CB and that turned out to be true which is shown in his stats (20 starts). devere was absolutely last pick even when he was fit because he clearly fell out with JA In JA and DeVeres defence - there was no fall out between the two of them, DeVere battled serious knee injuries and never recovered last season. Even when he was playing the bloke turned slower that a supertanker
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+xI disagree (and that’s all it is, I respect you guys and your opinions). Pepper is like any player - he needs to be in a good coaching environment and he needs to be playing regularly too. Without those two any player whithers. He showed promise in his early days but then got caught up in jets debacle (which made Roars problems look like a walk in the park) and then he was unlucky enough to get picked up by Popa who’s not known for taking players to the next level. Then he arrived at Roar and unfairly certain sections of the fan base made up their minds he was no good, and never would be. They did the same to Petratos when he arrived. And in the last season and a half before he left he was playing outstanding football but many fans failed to adjust their opinion. I remember one game when a seat behind me was filed for the first time late in the season and some bloke - obviously watching his first game that season even though we were in the title race - barated Pet-rat all game. That season he was an ever present, scored 7, and made a basket full for Maccers. Young got the same treatment until last season and Pepper is getting it this season - he is not the same player as when he arrived. I watch our defenders more than I do attackers, and last season Pepper was playing above average for a CB in the HAL imo. That’s no mean feat for someone new to the role and playing in what was always a makeshift defence. To become effective CBs need to play regularly with their CB partner, too many changes leads to gaps and misunderstandings and this is Aloisi’s challenge - who’s the best partner for Avraam? In order of preference I’d go Pepper first, then Reardon, Bowles and finally DeVere. Let’s see where Aloisi goes. My gut feeling is Pepper will be the starting CB (and yes, we’ll still make top 4) that was still 4 weeks out from the start of the season. at the time Devere and Bowles were both fit. The fact is that last season Pepper (no matter what he was signed on) was a starting CB for us. He started 20/27 games. Your cant argue that and it should never have happened. would i take him as a depth player, someone that occasionally gets on the bench when we have 2-3 injuries? absolutely, but this was not the case last season and that is why a lot of fans have a negative view of him. He should be nowhere near the starting 11 and hopefully this season he isnt.
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Pepper was recruited as DM cover. With the chronic injury problem, he was literally thrown in the deep end with no help from his coaching staff and asked to do a job in a position that was foreign to him. He may have made mistakes, but playing in a defense that conceded 71 last year and being coached by people out of their depth was the problem. Add in the shithouse environment that existed and the Aloisi boys could have made anybody look ordinary. The skill of the Aliosi bros was such that they were able to make an ex Greek International with champions league experience (who has gone back to Europe) and ex Socceroo look almost effective as Pepper. This takes some talent. Combined with the ineffective defending of the rest of the team and I think the Roar were lucky to only concede 71. These defensive problems were evident in the season prior to last (anyone remember the Wanderers semi disgrace?)
Is Pepper a first choice CB? No. Is he good cover for DM and CB, and a positive member of the squad? Yes. With better coaching (and structure) I think he will surprise some of his detractors this year.
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Just came here for some clarification. Has pepper left for Asia or is he still at roar? I thought I read something last week he had gone
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+xJust came here for some clarification. Has pepper left for Asia or is he still at roar? I thought I read something last week he had gone Still there atm
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+xJust came here for some clarification. Has pepper left for Asia or is he still at roar? I thought I read something last week he had gone Yes, still here. The club in Indonesia announced his signing but the club clarified that he hasn’t yet gone and that no decision had been taken by the player. All very odd.
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+x+xJust came here for some clarification. Has pepper left for Asia or is he still at roar? I thought I read something last week he had gone Yes, still here. The club in Indonesia announced his signing but the club clarified that he hasn’t yet gone and that no decision had been taken by the player. All very odd. The club has since since another unnamed Australian CB, who is due to fly to Indonesia tomorrow. Pepper will be staying at Roar
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James Meredith to Roar?
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geez would take him in a heart beat, but surely we haven't convinced him to come back from the Championship
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