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Here is a name to put in your little black book. Oliver Davies. Top scored for Aussie under 19s today in Brissie against our Kiwi cussies. Smoked a record double ton in last December's national U19s. 
This talented 18 year old already has a Sydney Premier Cricket century (167). 


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baggygreenmania - 6 Jul 2019 2:43 PM
Here is a name to put in your little black book. Oliver Davies. Top scored for Aussie under 19s today in Brissie against our Kiwi cussies. Smoked a record double ton in last December's national U19s. 
This talented 18 year old already has a Sydney Premier Cricket century (167). 
https://youtu.be/tGVKDd-rhHk 


So many precocious talents inexplicably don’t fulfill the potential they show at an early age.

We don’t know why? 
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Decentric - 6 Jul 2019 10:40 PM
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So many precocious talents inexplicably don’t fulfill the potential they show at an early age.

We don’t know why? 

Same reason as footballers, same as most other things. Some peak early, others peak later. And it's very competitive. It's elite sport.

The way I look at it; if a cricketer or footballer is achieving these kind of things as a teenager (with the right attitude, the talent and the technique), that ticks a box. But there are more boxes to be ticked for them to become world-class in their sport. And the ticking of one box is no guarantee that the other boxes will be ticked. Then there will be others who don't get that first box ticked, but do some late running and overtake them.

That said, we do know that there have been systemic issues within Australia cricket for well over a decade now which stifle the development of Aussie cricketers. On a technical level, Aussie batsmen have, by and large, demonstrated critical technical errors a lot more often compared to say a couple of decades ago (from what I've noticed in footage and in from what others well-versed in cricket then tell me).
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Decentric - 4 Jul 2019 11:53 PM
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Pucovski looks fantastic in all his shots except against the short ball, that others easily evade, or hook and pull.

I missed it, but a mate who is former First  Grade cricketer thought he looked absolutely hopeless against a sustained short pitched barrage against a Sri Lankan bowler who bowls in the 140s. What was his name?


Decentric, that's not good to hear. I can't say I've watched much of Will Pucovski's batting. It's a worry to hear he struggles against short-pitched bowling. I must say I'm a little surprised on the basis of this footage. It appears to show him playing the pull shot very comfortably against (medium) fast bowlers and scoring boundaries in the the Sheffield Shield. I think Pucovski's #10, although correct me if I'm mistaken.

https://www.cricket.com.au/video/will-pucovski-innings-western-australia-v-victoria-day-two-video-highlights-sheffield-shield/2018-10-17

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Any news on Jhye Richardson's injury?
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Good to see a new name on the cricket thread quickflick. Pucovski has had a problem with the short ball since his underage days. Reason he has so many concussion issues. I see many similarities watching both Pucovski and Davies. Both have solid techniques, are compact and good timers.. 
Not heard anything on Richardson since May. As he is not even playing in the A four dayers.. rule out any chance of him making the Ashes. Big blow as I reckon he woulda been great in Pom conditions.
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Cheers Dragons4Life,

I used to comment in the website's cricket section before. But I've been AWOL for a while now. Good to be back. The Ashes is very special.

It's a shame to hear that short-pitched bowling has given Pucovski quite a bit of grief. As I say, on the basis of the footage I linked, I'm surprised to hear it. The footage appears to show him picking the length nice and early, getting inside the line and watching the ball all the way through.

I suppose the fact that he can play short-pitched bowling well is encouraging. He just needs to develop consistency. And there are few better to be around than Justin Langer - given he, himself, had his issues but became excellent off the back foot.

As for Jhye Richardson, that really sucks. I agree with you that he's just the bowler for English conditions.
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welcome to the cricket thread quickflick!

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Welcome back, Quickflick!

You have been missed.
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Please call me Baggers quickflick. I will be changing back to my Baggy Greens username once the footy season finishes.

Spot on..nothing beats the Ashes.

On a technical level, Aussie batsmen have, by and large, demonstrated critical technical errors a lot more often compared to say a couple of decades ago. 
Oh how true quickflick. DC will tell you how passionate I am on this subject. I put it down to one prime reason.. poor coaching at underage level. As almost all cricket played in this age level is white ball little time or effort is given to teaching a decent technique. As we all know the principal of white ball cricket is to score as many runs in the allotted time as poss. So no time for a technique..specially if the coach thinks you have an eye like a dead fish.

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baggygreenmania - 9 Jul 2019 4:29 PM
Please call me Baggers quickflick. I will be changing back to my Baggy Greens username once the footy season finishes.

Spot on..nothing beats the Ashes.

On a technical level, Aussie batsmen have, by and large, demonstrated critical technical errors a lot more often compared to say a couple of decades ago. 
Oh how true quickflick. DC will tell you how passionate I am on this subject. I put it down to one prime reason.. poor coaching at underage level. As almost all cricket played in this age level is white ball little time or effort is given to teaching a decent technique. As we all know the principal of white ball cricket is to score as many runs in the allotted time as poss. So no time for a technique..specially if the coach thinks you have an eye like a dead fish.

Further to quickflicks comments re our lack of batting techniques of today.
A small point is under ages don't spend the time down at the local nets no where near as much as we used to back in the day.
Sure your not getting text book tuition but......
Ball after ball thrown down at you till dark at varying speeds/angles got you to adjust and learn your craft as well........
Some have the natural ability but others need tuition fine tuning obviously once getting to 1st grade levels.



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LFC. - 10 Jul 2019 11:34 AM
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Further to quickflicks comments re our lack of batting techniques of today.
Some have the natural ability but others need tuition fine tuning obviously once getting to 1st grade levels.


Batters lose form even at high levels and need a coach to remedy what can become faulty technique. 

Cricket is a very technical game. 
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A small point is under ages don't spend the time down at the local nets no where near as much as we used to back in the day.
Sure your not getting text book tuition but......
Ball after ball thrown down at you till dark at varying speeds/angles got you to adjust and learn your craft as well........
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Probably true, LFC. 
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Decentric - 8 Jul 2019 9:44 AM
Welcome back, Quickflick!

You have been missed.

Cheers Decentric and grazorblade. Bring on the Ashes (with tempered hopes!)
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baggygreenmania - 9 Jul 2019 4:29 PM
Please call me Baggers quickflick. I will be changing back to my Baggy Greens username once the footy season finishes.

Spot on..nothing beats the Ashes.

On a technical level, Aussie batsmen have, by and large, demonstrated critical technical errors a lot more often compared to say a couple of decades ago. 
Oh how true quickflick. DC will tell you how passionate I am on this subject. I put it down to one prime reason.. poor coaching at underage level. As almost all cricket played in this age level is white ball little time or effort is given to teaching a decent technique. As we all know the principal of white ball cricket is to score as many runs in the allotted time as poss. So no time for a technique..specially if the coach thinks you have an eye like a dead fish.

So true Baggers.

Generally, I think pyjama cricket has hindered the techniques of cricketers. Alastair Cook being a decent example of this. But the Indian cricketers are interesting here. They're not as technically good as Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and, far back enough, Sunny Gavaskar.

But there are still plenty of Indian batsmen who are technically very solid in the long format and play lots of short format cricket. Maybe it's just down to the fact that India's such a huge country with such a great cricket culture so they'll still produce enough great cricketers. And then even still are their best now as technically good as the Dravids and Tendulkars?
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quickflick - 12 Jul 2019 5:08 PM
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So true Baggers.

Generally, I think pyjama cricket has hindered the techniques of cricketers. Alastair Cook being a decent example of this. But the Indian cricketers are interesting here. They're not as technically good as Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and, far back enough, Sunny Gavaskar.

But there are still plenty of Indian batsmen who are technically very solid in the long format and play lots of short format cricket. Maybe it's just down to the fact that India's such a huge country with such a great cricket culture so they'll still produce enough great cricketers. And then even still are their best now as technically good as the Dravids and Tendulkars?

I am seeing more and more the influence of limited overs cricket on dismissals in Test cricket. Twenty years ago a bloke who threw away his wicket with a wild shot wud have been hauled over the coals by his coach.. and there would be a hue and cry in the press. These days seasoned pros are falling to shots that have come from the 50 and 20 over manual and not a word is uttered by the media.. nor is the culprit given a dressing down by his masters.
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Who recalls this controversial match.
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Mark Waugh was the player of the match as Australia's senior side took on a group of young batting superstars in Brisbane in the 1994-95 one-day quad series

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It bothers me that last night commentators like Lisa S, Taylor and Healy, still talk about one day performances as  veritable  selection criteria  for FC and Test cricket.

Because batters like Roy did so well in a few ODI does not  extrapolate to Roy negating  attacking fields in close catching positions around the bat for sustained periods.

Joffra Archer has apparently not played FC cricket since September 2018 , yet he is being mooted as a Test bowler.

To bowl 10 overs in a game with more defensive fields, as opposed to having to bowl 40-60 overs in a five day Test, or four day FC game is pretty different, possibly bowling on four different days. Particularly as it is important to get batters out as opposed to restrict them from scoring.

I will acknowledge with Archer, who played BBL with Hobart Hurricanes, albeit not as quick as Tasmanian Riley Meredith, Archer worried world class batters in the WC with his short pitched bowling kicking off decent lengths, more than the faster Meredith consistently bothered opposition Shield players last season.

Archer's line and length tend to be more more consistent. 
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I have to say that since the new field restrictions require most fielders to be in the circle  in the first 40 overs, technique has become so much more important in ODI cricket

On this I would love to see odi captains test batters technique a bit better with more attacking fields

with 2 new balls at each end, the ball is only 20 overs old by the time you get to happy hour! That should be party time for the bowler even on an easy pitch!

The first team to play 5 specialist bowlers (maybe 4 and a bowling all rounder is ok) and attack with the ball for 50 overs will change the game and probably win the next world cup


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grazorblade - 20 Jul 2019 10:15 AM
I have to say that since the new field restrictions require most fielders to be in the circle  in the first 40 overs, technique has become so much more important in ODI cricket

On this I would love to see odi captains test batters technique a bit better with more attacking fields

with 2 new balls at each end, the ball is only 20 overs old by the time you get to happy hour! That should be party time for the bowler even on an easy pitch!

The first team to play 5 specialist bowlers (maybe 4 and a bowling all rounder is ok) and attack with the ball for 50 overs will change the game and probably win the next world cup


I’d have to admit I had written One Day Cricket off, Grazor. 

With these new rules it has become much more watchable. 

I thoroughly enjoyed the World Cup in England. 
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Decentric - 20 Jul 2019 9:21 AM
It bothers me that last night commentators like Lisa S, Taylor and Healy, still talk about one day performances as  veritable  selection criteria  for FC and Test cricket.

Because batters like Roy did so well in a few ODI does not  extrapolate to Roy negating  attacking fields in close catching positions around the bat for sustained periods.

Joffra Archer has apparently not played FC cricket since September 2018 , yet he is being mooted as a Test bowler.

To bowl 10 overs in a game with more defensive fields, as opposed to having to bowl 40-60 overs in a five day Test, or four day FC game is pretty different, possibly bowling on four different days. Particularly as it is important to get batters out as opposed to restrict them from scoring.

I will acknowledge with Archer, who played BBL with Hobart Hurricanes, albeit not as quick as Tasmanian Riley Meredith, Archer worried world class batters in the WC with his short pitched bowling kicking off decent lengths, more than the faster Meredith consistently bothered opposition Shield players last season.

Archer's line and length tend to be more more consistent. 

Good points DC.

Our selectors do the same. White ball and red ball cricket are as different as Rugby League and Aussie Rules.
This is why I am pushing the barrell of guys who have been scoring red ball runs in county cricket while the others were belting white balls to the boundary in the WC. Would Steve Smith and Dave Warner have been better served playing in the England Lions match. Yes. These two have not faced a red ball in 18 months.  I have no problem with Smith as he is a freak but Warner I do have. Anderson will target this.. no doubt.
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Our selectors do the same. White ball and red ball cricket are as different as Rugby League and Aussie Rules.
This is why I am pushing the barrell of guys who have been scoring red ball runs in county cricket while the others were belting white balls to the boundary in the WC. Would Steve Smith and Dave Warner have been better served playing in the England Lions match. Yes. These two have not faced a red ball in 18 months.  I have no problem with Smith as he is a freak but Warner I do have. Anderson will target this.. no doubt.

Excellent points made, Baggers. 

I agree Smith and Warner would’ve been better off playing county red ball cricket in preparation for the Ashes. 

It is also pertinent that a great Test bowler, Anderson, didn’t play in the WC. 
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warner and smith are both exceptions for mine but I agree with the sentiment that they may as well be different sports

I would actually say they are 3 different sports. t20 form is ok for selecting a lower order batter/allrounder but apart from that, players records for each format shouldn't boost their opportunities in another format
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grazorblade - 22 Jul 2019 10:49 AM
warner and smith are both exceptions for mine but I agree with the sentiment that they may as well be different sports

I would actually say they are 3 different sports. t20 form is ok for selecting a lower order batter/allrounder but apart from that, players records for each format shouldn't boost their opportunities in another format

It is bit surprising specialist cricket commentators, both  men and women who've played intentional cricket, don't emphasise this more - that success in one format does not transfer to another format.

The exception might be wicketkeeping.



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Here is something that may interest we cricket purists.

Cricket ball manufacturer Kookaburra has teamed up with tech innovators SportCor to develop the SmartBall to measure speed, spin revolutions - and potentially more enhancements in future. Kasper explains:
blob:https://www.cricket.com.au/9c233fb2-7a55-4f03-b034-7432673cb277


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baggygreenmania - 12 Aug 2019 10:41 AM
Here is something that may interest we cricket purists.

Cricket ball manufacturer Kookaburra has teamed up with tech innovators SportCor to develop the SmartBall to measure speed, spin revolutions - and potentially more enhancements in future. Kasper explains:
blob:https://www.cricket.com.au/9c233fb2-7a55-4f03-b034-7432673cb277


Someone else posted this too.

It  is amazing!
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