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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll I will add is that while what Waz keeps saying ie. "we are defending well we just need to add goals" is true, I believe you are really only defending well because of how deep everyone is sitting. That makes it very hard just to "add goals" as you will never create the volume of chances A-League players need to score regular goals. Even when O'Donovan used to score goals he always missed as many or more than he scored. He will not suddenly score his solitary chance per game. Serie A strikers maybe but not A-League strikers. I was the person who said Brisbane were the worst team I had seen at Hindmarsh. I said that at half time and actually added 15 minutes later that Adelaide were then playing even worse than the worst as you did start to get on top for 20 minutes or so. That first half though was hand on heart some of the most horrible football I had seen there and it shouldn't be dismissed as a mere troll. Even besides the tactics Brisbane players were awful. 99% of the time a Brisbane player was waiting to receive the ball on his heels and I lost count how many times an Adelaide defender nipped in front to steal it away. It was crazy to watch. I would have gotten an absolute roasting if that had happened to me more than once in any of my amateur teams down the years. Brisbane came for a draw (nothing necessarily;y wrong with that). The keeper should have been carded early on for time wasting it was absurd. He would prepare for the goal kick then move the ball and prepare again and it took 4 times for the ref to start hurrying him. It started in the 3rd minute!!! I have to believe it is the game plan to play the first half of every game with 10 behind the ball and get to half time 0-0 because it's sure as hell a pattern now. The style of play from Brisbane might not be attractive, but the truth is they are creating enough chances (apparently in the top 4 of the HAL) for a decent striker to put them away. AOK. Very good analysis. Thanks 90 minutes One more stat for the people that think Fowler's recruitment has been shit, is chances created. Jay O'Shea 17Craig Noone 14 Dimitrios Petratos 13 Alessandro Diamanti 12 Diego Castro 12 Brandon O'Neill 11 Tommy Oar 9 Josh Risdon 9 Neil Kilkenny 9 Adam Le Fondre 8 https://www.a-league.com.au/stats-centre#!/playersI f O'Shea's name was Sheavic, fans would be waxing lyrical about another gem that has been uncovered from Eastern Europe. It's not O'Shea's fault that the goats in front of him can't put away the chances. There's enough there for at least another 5-8 goals to have been scored. Think most fans are perceptive enough to know the difference between a top quality import and an average/slightly above average one. If Diego Casto or Milos Ninkovic had 'anglo' names and had come from England, I guarantee there wouldn't be any less hype around them, because they're genuinely very good players. And as Davide82 said, stats often don't provide context. If a player squares a fairly easy pass to the striker a few yards outside the box to hit and force a good save from the keeper, that likely goes down as a 'chance created' to the passer. Conversely, if a player (let's use Ninkovic as an example) hits an absolute pinpoint, defence-splitting through ball to Le Fondre to go 1 on 1 with the keeper who also forces a good save, that also goes down as a 'chance created' to Milos. Both players 'created chances', but one was far more significant than the other. I'm far from writing off O'Shea, and I agree that he's clearly not being helped by the poor finishing of others, but from what I've seen from BR in the league thus far, he hasn't really provided the killer balls or moments of magic the likes of Castro, Ninkovic, McGree, ABJ etc are all capable of producing. Your post proves that some fans aren't perceptive enough to know the difference. Go back and watch the games if you want, but O'Shea has created excellent chances, both through beating players and killer passes. The fact that some fans can't/won't see this is their problem not mine. Your question re "if a player squares a fairly easy pass.." is confusing. Isn't a fairly easy pass still an assist? Or are you saying Troisi's assist was easy and shouldn't be counted and that it was a 0-0 draw because of the ease of the cut-back? Okay, name them then. First of all, you'll notice that in the hypothetical scenario I gave, I specifically said that neither player scored from their chances (therefore no assist). You'll also notice that I was talking about someone laying off a fairly simple 2 metre pass to a striker outside the box who has a shot on target . 95% of the time, that goes down as a 'chance created' to the player who provided the striker with the pass. So am I comparing that to James Troisi playing a dazzling four-pass move between he and McGree (3 of which were inside the box), culminating in an excellent cut back for McGree to tap home? No, I'm not at all lol. Now you're taking the piss. Why would I waste my time "naming them". I'm not the troll visiting another team's thread telling them that they are crap. The subjective adulation of a goal created by Adelaide vs the subjective denigration of chances created by BR illustrates that you lack the ability to even show a little objectivity, or that you are a sad troll. Either way, enjoy your dazzling day :) A few things mate. First of all, my first ever interaction with you on this forum yesterday came as a direct result of Waz talking specifically about my team, and you replied to me. Drop the whole "any outsider who comes into the sacred Orange Army thread and isn't heaping praise on them/dares to have a differing opinion than my own is a troll" thing. This is a football forum for all A League fans. If you don't want fans of other clubs providing opinions that you don't agree with, too bad. I've not been disrespectful in any of my interactions with you or any other BR fan and I always play the ball not the man. In general, calling someone a troll because you can't refute the points they are making is actually quite petty. Where did I say BR are crap? I acknowledged BR had chances to score goals against Adelaide, and I was only critical of the finishes. I wouldn't need to call them crap anyway, as plenty of your own fans have openly said as much on this very forum. How am I taking the piss asking you to name at least a couple of examples of O'Shea playing some killer through balls? You're the one who made the pretty dubious claim that no one rates O'Shea because he doesn't have an Eastern Europe name (and essentially implying that he's comparable to the likes of Ninkovic - who is one of the best imports ever). As I said, enjoy your dazzling day :) Thanks :D
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Jimo8
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Ok so we are all disappointed with how we had hoped Brisbane would go this year especially after Pre season looked promising, and here we are still sitting near the bottom again!!!
however im still positive from what I've seen, regardless of the posters telling us how poor Brisbane are.
Most games have at least been 50/50 give or take. We've lost games by one goal or drawn. That's better than last year.
Had we have scored one more or a goal in the 4 games we'd be sitting on 8 points assuming the opposition tally didn't change.
Some of you may think that's dreaming but nevertheless it's a fact.
Brisbane will get better, and other teams too, so it remains to be seen down the track who improves the most.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll I will add is that while what Waz keeps saying ie. "we are defending well we just need to add goals" is true, I believe you are really only defending well because of how deep everyone is sitting. That makes it very hard just to "add goals" as you will never create the volume of chances A-League players need to score regular goals. Even when O'Donovan used to score goals he always missed as many or more than he scored. He will not suddenly score his solitary chance per game. Serie A strikers maybe but not A-League strikers. I was the person who said Brisbane were the worst team I had seen at Hindmarsh. I said that at half time and actually added 15 minutes later that Adelaide were then playing even worse than the worst as you did start to get on top for 20 minutes or so. That first half though was hand on heart some of the most horrible football I had seen there and it shouldn't be dismissed as a mere troll. Even besides the tactics Brisbane players were awful. 99% of the time a Brisbane player was waiting to receive the ball on his heels and I lost count how many times an Adelaide defender nipped in front to steal it away. It was crazy to watch. I would have gotten an absolute roasting if that had happened to me more than once in any of my amateur teams down the years. Brisbane came for a draw (nothing necessarily;y wrong with that). The keeper should have been carded early on for time wasting it was absurd. He would prepare for the goal kick then move the ball and prepare again and it took 4 times for the ref to start hurrying him. It started in the 3rd minute!!! I have to believe it is the game plan to play the first half of every game with 10 behind the ball and get to half time 0-0 because it's sure as hell a pattern now. The style of play from Brisbane might not be attractive, but the truth is they are creating enough chances (apparently in the top 4 of the HAL) for a decent striker to put them away. You are right, so the next stage of analysis is WHY aren’t they converting these chances into goals: a) what type of chances are these, genuine chances or half chances b ) If they are genuine chances why are they not hitting the back of the net, and it’s not just ROD. It’s not just ROD, although he’s missed a few. Many of the chances are quality eg one on one with the keeper (Inman on Sunday, ROD on two previous occasions), or clear shots at goal with just the keeper to beat (3 on Sunday) but blazing over the bar. There’s more than enough there to convert some or all of the games played in to wins. Why is the right question but I don’t think we can answer it here as there can be multiple causes eg it might be theyre not doing enough ball work in training, or it might be theyre doing too much ball work in training. It’s down to RF to figure out. This is where my belief of "lack of quality" in the current squad stems from. These guys train nearly everyday and no doubt would be practising finishing/goal scoring attacking set plays etc. I think there not scoring simply because there not good enough, i cannot see any other reason. If they continue to create these chances, law of averages suggests they MUST start scoring eventually. And yet Roar have more than matched their four opponents so far (and SFC in the cup but no one want to talk about that). If you accept Roar have created enough quality chances to win some or all of the game then the discussion focussed on what they’re doing wrong in not taking opportunity - it’s not “quality” because both DWH and ROD are proven goakscorers at this level. If you don’t accept Roar have created quality chances and it’s a lack of playing quality then I’m happy to discuss the poor quality in Glory/Victory/WSW/Adelaide’s squads in the process - no one has outclassed Roar and all of them came away a little bit lucky with the results they got. An inability to convert chances is not unusual for football teams - some people here act surprise like it is lol. I don't think Roar "matched" them. But hey, its a long season and come round 27, we will all know how good/bad this roar team is. Maybe you didn’t, and maybe others did. The stats suggest they “matched” them with Roar creating more chances than their opponents and 1-1, 0-1, 0-0, 0–1 suggests they’re very close. And if Roar are such a poor side it ain’t saying a lot about the quality of the rest. Its an odd one all the same mind you - I don’t think this side is going to be mediocre and mid-table this season - they’ll either crash n burn and make Aloisi look good or they’ll hit their goal scoring straps and take off.
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Waz
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+xOk so we are all disappointed with how we had hoped Brisbane would go this year especially after Pre season looked promising, and here we are still sitting near the bottom again!!! however im still positive from what I've seen, regardless of the posters telling us how poor Brisbane are. Most games have at least been 50/50 give or take. We've lost games by one goal or drawn. That's better than last year. Had we have scored one more or a goal in the 4 games we'd be sitting on 8 points assuming the opposition tally didn't change. Some of you may think that's dreaming but nevertheless it's a fact. Brisbane will get better, and other teams too, so it remains to be seen down the track who improves the most. It’s a simple equation: start scoring goals without compromising a very solid defence. If they can do that then results like 1-1, 0-1, 0-0, 0-1 become 3-1, 3-1, 2-0, 2–1
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Waz
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“Melbourne City have won four of their last five A-League matches against the Brisbane Roar (L1), this will be the first time they’ve crossed paths at Dolphin Stadium however.
The Brisbane Roar have won four of their last five A-League matches at home to Melbourne City (L1), keeping a clean sheet only twice in that span.
Melbourne City remain undefeated in the current A-League campaign (W4, D1), this is their best record after the first five matches of a season.
Brisbane Roar have been kept goalless in their last three A-League games; the last - and only previous - time they went longer without a goal was a four-game drought in November 2006.
Melbourne City have won possession 38 times in the final third of the field, the most of any team this A-League season.
The Brisbane Roar boast the best success rate (8/14, 57%) at corners into the box of any A-League team this campaign; indeed, no team has had more than their eight successes (joint-most with Newcastle Jets).
Roy O’Donovan (Brisbane Roar) has had three headed shots on target this A-League season, the joint-most (also Scott McDonald) of any player.
Brisbane Roar’s Jay O’Shea (17) and Melbourne City’s Craig Noone (14) have created the most scoring chances of all players in the 2019/20 A-League season”
(A-League Live)
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The last time Roar played MC at Dolphin oval was in an FFA Cup,when Fornaroli scored the winner.
MC have averaged 2 goals a game.
Brisbane have conceded on average less than 1 goal per game.
Brisbane have averaged .25 goals a game.Which means they score every four games.
MC have conceded on average 1 goal a game.
Brisbane has not played the three top scoring teams.Namely MC,SFC and WU.
MC have not played the other two best defensive teams.Namely WSW and SFC.
MC is the third best defensive team.
Predicted score 0-1 to MC.
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Waz
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Drew Sherman’s return didn’t go too well today then 😂
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Good to see Mauratovic score a hatrick and Reardon two.Both players heavily involved with the first team.A 7-0 flogging of MV in any competition is sweet.
Can RF take any credit?
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+xGood to see Mauratovic score a hatrick and Reardon two.Both players heavily involved with the first team.A 7-0 flogging of MV in any competition is sweet. Can RF take any credit? Last season in the equivalent fixture Roar won 6-0 with Daniel Leck scoring a hat trick. He's now playing NPL. Is Muratovic any better? Can he break into the first team?
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Looks like heavy rain tomorrow unfortunately which will hurt what could have been a good crowd :(
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Waz
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+xLooks like heavy rain tomorrow unfortunately which will hurt what could have been a good crowd :( Yeah, all but sold out. Been unlucky with the rain seeing as we’ve had so little.
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+x+xLooks like heavy rain tomorrow unfortunately which will hurt what could have been a good crowd :( Yeah, all but sold out. Been unlucky with the rain seeing as we’ve had so little. Seriously? I haven't seen a forecast.
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Waz
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+x+x+xLooks like heavy rain tomorrow unfortunately which will hurt what could have been a good crowd :( Yeah, all but sold out. Been unlucky with the rain seeing as we’ve had so little. Seriously? I haven't seen a forecast. Showers, 1-6mm, possible storm. Be a better idea tomorrow - you know what the forecasting is like
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Well I don't see any clouds other than smoke haze. Just pissed I have to fly to Sydney for work so I'm missing the game.
I hope the Roar click but I'm worried that the wheels will fall off today. I personally think that the Roar is playing some really good football, the not scoring part is really hurting us. With the loss of confidence not getting the result will make heads drop.
Oh well at least we have game plans and clear style of play.
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Game will go one or two ways:
Roar finally break the shackles, 3-1 win
Roar continue being profligate in front of goal and city score several and the pressure mounts on RF
Optimistically hoping for option 1
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It means nothing really, but the boys are due. They have been playing well enough to win games - this time!
When I wear their colours, I am the club.
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This game at Redcliffe will be interesting.
Not very hopeful for Brisbane even scoring a goal.
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Will be interesting if we see an unchanged line up. Not expecting it, but hoping Roy sees some time on the bench. He hasn't performed and is being rewarded by keeping his starting spot. Must send the wrong message to the rest of the squad.
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Waz
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+xWill be interesting if we see an unchanged line up. Not expecting it, but hoping Roy sees some time on the bench. He hasn't performed and is being rewarded by keeping his starting spot. Must send the wrong message to the rest of the squad. O’Neil can’t play so there’ll be at least one change
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Waz
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Only Away Bay tickets available (less than 100)
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Weather looking a bit dodgy at the moment.
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Lots like the storm will hit in hour to half an hour. Doesn't look like much afterwards so definitely will help with the air quality.
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Waz
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Storms clearing by 2PM so hopefully doesn’t put people off travelling. I’m out west and they rolled through about an hour ago so fingers crossed
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+xStorms clearing by 2PM so hopefully doesn’t put people off travelling. I’m out west and they rolled through about an hour ago so fingers crossed 1.34pm Bracken ridge - storms gone
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+x+xStorms clearing by 2PM so hopefully doesn’t put people off travelling. I’m out west and they rolled through about an hour ago so fingers crossed 1.34pm Bracken ridge - storms gone At the ground now and rains gone, just clouds
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I will get in early.
We may as well play youth,because this season is done.
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+xI will get in early. We may as well play youth,because this season is done. lel
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+xWill be interesting if we see an unchanged line up. Not expecting it, but hoping Roy sees some time on the bench. He hasn't performed and is being rewarded by keeping his starting spot. Must send the wrong message to the rest of the squad. +xThis game at Redcliffe will be interesting. Not very hopeful for Brisbane even scoring a goal. +xThe last time Roar played MC at Dolphin oval was in an FFA Cup,when Fornaroli scored the winner. MC have averaged 2 goals a game. Brisbane have conceded on average less than 1 goal per game. Brisbane have averaged .25 goals a game.Which means they score every four games. MC have conceded on average 1 goal a game. Brisbane has not played the three top scoring teams.Namely MC,SFC and WU. MC have not played the other two best defensive teams.Namely WSW and SFC. MC is the third best defensive team. Predicted score 0-1 to MC. +xI will get in early. We may as well play youth,because this season is done.
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Only watch the first half on the plane but manage to find a radio broadcast for my drive. Definitely game of two half's for us. Have to watch the 2nd half now.
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I said it since the FFA cup game but mcging is the worst footballer in our squad and if today did not show that nothing will. He was absolutely trash and actively made us worse being on. The second half was much better going to the attacking 442 should convince Fowler that the 3 at the back is now done. Mauk being higher and supporting oshae made us look a lot better.
I would think that mcging will not play again unless we are absolutely shot with injury and by the last couple of performances gilesphie will be under pressure. Given how much reardon and Courtney Perkins have played together I would bring them both into the starting line up
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