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+x+xHere’s a shocker. When playing standards rise in an open market without all the bullshit restrictions, clubs will get better at developing youth because A) It will be the best way for some clubs to compete against those with more meansB) It’s a viable way to stay self sufficient thanks to transfer feesThe salary cap as it stands is absolute bullshit and hindering growth in all areas of the game. It won't because all of the smaller teams have their best players poached. The open market is designed to keep the rich at the top and crush everyone else. Get a job, Karl
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AnthonyC
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Would an increase in salary cap curtail the number of young Aussies breaking into the HAL? More money means being able to buy more O/S players. Yes or No?
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Oh, he's a commie. It all makes sense
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sub007
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+xOh, he's a commie. It all makes sense I’m not a commie, I believe in social democracy.
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Burztur
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+x+xHere’s a shocker. When playing standards rise in an open market without all the bullshit restrictions, clubs will get better at developing youth because A) It will be the best way for some clubs to compete against those with more meansB) It’s a viable way to stay self sufficient thanks to transfer feesThe salary cap as it stands is absolute bullshit and hindering growth in all areas of the game. It won't because all of the smaller teams have their best players poached. The open market is designed to keep the rich at the top and crush everyone else. There's nothing stopping clubs from selling players overseas. I'd rather clubs do this then allowing a player to join a rival club. This is where a decent transfer fee regime needs to also be in place. The best players from smaller teams being poached means a transfer fee and more money for the game. The smaller team will then have money to buy or develop another similar player. The HAL itself is a cog in the entire system and bigger teams will also be subject to this since Aussie would want to make it in Europe.
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bluebird
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+x+x+xBecause of the 3+1 rule it doesnt matter what other ACL clubs are spending on their players. If we suddenly spent $25m on our squads it isn't going to make them play better Our failure in the ACL comes down to the distribution of players. If the salary cap is doing its job then 80% of our best players are not in the ACL If the salary cap was removed most likely we would see the big teams paying $6m-$7m for the bulk of the squad instead of $3m. And smaller clubs might be spending as little as $2m for largely youth and state league players Our $7m plus imports wont match the spending of other ACL teams. It will boil down to whether the best available Australian players can beat the best available Chinese, Korean or Japanese I have no idea why some people don't understand this argument. The only way we can compete in Asia is to have our best players concentrated in the teams playing in Asia. The salary cap makes this impossible. So it should. Want better players? Actually develop them instead of poaching everyone else's. You mean like what A League clubs do for State League players Let me know when you raise a single valid point
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+x+x+x+xBecause of the 3+1 rule it doesnt matter what other ACL clubs are spending on their players. If we suddenly spent $25m on our squads it isn't going to make them play better Our failure in the ACL comes down to the distribution of players. If the salary cap is doing its job then 80% of our best players are not in the ACL If the salary cap was removed most likely we would see the big teams paying $6m-$7m for the bulk of the squad instead of $3m. And smaller clubs might be spending as little as $2m for largely youth and state league players Our $7m plus imports wont match the spending of other ACL teams. It will boil down to whether the best available Australian players can beat the best available Chinese, Korean or Japanese I have no idea why some people don't understand this argument. The only way we can compete in Asia is to have our best players concentrated in the teams playing in Asia. The salary cap makes this impossible. So it should. Want better players? Actually develop them instead of poaching everyone else's. You mean like what A League clubs do for State League players Let me know when you raise a single valid point spot on.
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Burztur
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+x+x+x+x+xBecause of the 3+1 rule it doesnt matter what other ACL clubs are spending on their players. If we suddenly spent $25m on our squads it isn't going to make them play better Our failure in the ACL comes down to the distribution of players. If the salary cap is doing its job then 80% of our best players are not in the ACL If the salary cap was removed most likely we would see the big teams paying $6m-$7m for the bulk of the squad instead of $3m. And smaller clubs might be spending as little as $2m for largely youth and state league players Our $7m plus imports wont match the spending of other ACL teams. It will boil down to whether the best available Australian players can beat the best available Chinese, Korean or Japanese I have no idea why some people don't understand this argument. The only way we can compete in Asia is to have our best players concentrated in the teams playing in Asia. The salary cap makes this impossible. So it should. Want better players? Actually develop them instead of poaching everyone else's. You mean like what A League clubs do for State League players Let me know when you raise a single valid point spot on. +2
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Melbcityguy
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can someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up?
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+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block.
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Melbcityguy
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+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate?
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sub007
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+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... Just because it’s common practice, it doesn’t make it ok. More leagues will implement salary caps or other equalisation measures over time.
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Melbcityguy
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+x+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... can we stay on topic
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sub007
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+x+x+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... can we stay on topic We are on topic, you just missed the point. I edited the original post to help clarify my point.
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Melbcityguy
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+x+x+x+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... can we stay on topic We are on topic, you just missed the point. I edited the original post to help clarify my point. thanks for clarifying but every league is dominated by a few top teams. why would it not work for australia?
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Jegga7698
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+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Do what they do here and see the consequences unfold.
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sub007
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... can we stay on topic We are on topic, you just missed the point. I edited the original post to help clarify my point. thanks for clarifying but every league is dominated by a few top teams. why would it not work for australia? Because we have no pro-rel for starters. Forcing a club into mediocrity with nothing to play for will kill off any interest in the club whatsoever, especially a club like CCM who has struggled over the last few years. If they continue to struggle, I reckon they’ll fold within 5 years. The other issues I have is that clubs like CCM and Jets won’t be able to keep their best players and will be forced to field a bunch of bench players and NPL standard players which will obviously reduce the standard of the league. Over the last few years, Southampton have continuously lost their beat players and will probably get relegated. The other issue I have is that I think buying the league is morally wrong. In most leagues around the world, success is given to the highest bidder, not the best run club and not the coach who can get the best out his or her players. I think the system we have helps reward the best run clubs. Many people also say that most HAL sides don’t have much depth. City and Adelaide have shown that clubs can improve their depth by developing youth. This forces clubs to develop their own talent rather than buying someone else’s.
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+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? Or you know..... improve the league.
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Scrapping the cap is not as simple as scrapping the cap. Scrapping the cap goes hand in hand with a proper transfers and loans system as well as incentives for spending (ie prize money and P&R). Just scrapping the cap and doing none of the others is just plain stupid. As for bigger clubs spending big, I think this season has clearly shown that clubs have decided to reduce their player spend. There are 22 marquee spots in the league this season. Less than half of those are being utilised. Clubs simply aren't going to spend money unless there is a reason to. There is no prize money. There is no relegation. The ACL doesn't pay anywhere near enough to be attractive. The evidence also indicates that spending big on players doesn't result in a massive increase in attendances, memberships or ratings. The ROI simply is not there.
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a luxury tax is still my preference. but whatever they go with, it needs to come in for next season. change needs to be fast tracked.
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Bundoora B
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+x+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... Just because it’s common practice, it doesn’t make it ok. More leagues will implement salary caps or other equalisation measures over time. financial fair play rules are an attempt to do this - in a roundabout way. melbourne city, new york city, yokohama, etc are ways that man city are subverting it. there are always ways that team subvert the rules. why do wealthier clubs get better players in australia if there is a salary cap? because there are others incentives on the side. outside the cap.
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bluebird
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+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. Based on what? Edit: Sorry but I'm not going to stop at 3 words on a subject I rarely post about Newcastle have played in the finals once since season 5, and Central Coast havent featured in the finals since season 9. Dont forget it is a top 6. Half of your fear of the salary cap is that we might end up in the same situation Secondly, who determines City are going to be the most successful team? Understandable when the league first launched we had a salary cap as it was likely there were only 2 markets who could invest so there may have been a player quality gap and a Scotland scenario. But what City have actually done is proven we can have a second strong (financially) Melbourne team. WSW have done the same for the Sydney market. And the latest bids for A League teams were over $15m just for the licence. To think only 1 team has money, and there are only 18 good players, is stupid. And this is the other half of your fear And dont forget ladies and gentleman, what Jegga posted is the strongest argument for not having a salary cap. The only point missing is the line about how $3.5m in player payments is the exact amount required to keep all markets viable
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charlied
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... can we stay on topic We are on topic, you just missed the point. I edited the original post to help clarify my point. thanks for clarifying but every league is dominated by a few top teams. why would it not work for australia? Because we have no pro-rel for starters. Forcing a club into mediocrity with nothing to play for will kill off any interest in the club whatsoever, especially a club like CCM who has struggled over the last few years. If they continue to struggle, I reckon they’ll fold within 5 years. The other issues I have is that clubs like CCM and Jets won’t be able to keep their best players and will be forced to field a bunch of bench players and NPL standard players which will obviously reduce the standard of the league. Over the last few years, Southampton have continuously lost their beat players and will probably get relegated. The other issue I have is that I think buying the league is morally wrong. In most leagues around the world, success is given to the highest bidder, not the best run club and not the coach who can get the best out his or her players. I think the system we have helps reward the best run clubs. Many people also say that most HAL sides don’t have much depth. City and Adelaide have shown that clubs can improve their depth by developing youth. This forces clubs to develop their own talent rather than buying someone else’s. But as it is now only a delusional fool would argue that the A League is working or sustainable. The A League, in fact, is unlikely to exist in 5 years time unless the fundamentals change radically, and ask soon as possible. The cap isn't one of those malfunctioning fundamentals. In my view it has to go.
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charlied
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xcan someone get rid of the salary cap just to shut bluebird up? You must be pining for Melbourne City to win 2 out of every 3 championships going forward and put CCM and Newcastle on the chopping block. like every football league in the world mate? Slavery was once done in every country in the world too... can we stay on topic We are on topic, you just missed the point. I edited the original post to help clarify my point. thanks for clarifying but every league is dominated by a few top teams. why would it not work for australia? Because we have no pro-rel for starters. Forcing a club into mediocrity with nothing to play for will kill off any interest in the club whatsoever, especially a club like CCM who has struggled over the last few years. If they continue to struggle, I reckon they’ll fold within 5 years. The other issues I have is that clubs like CCM and Jets won’t be able to keep their best players and will be forced to field a bunch of bench players and NPL standard players which will obviously reduce the standard of the league. Over the last few years, Southampton have continuously lost their beat players and will probably get relegated. The other issue I have is that I think buying the league is morally wrong. In most leagues around the world, success is given to the highest bidder, not the best run club and not the coach who can get the best out his or her players. I think the system we have helps reward the best run clubs. Many people also say that most HAL sides don’t have much depth. City and Adelaide have shown that clubs can improve their depth by developing youth. This forces clubs to develop their own talent rather than buying someone else’s. But as it is now only a delusional fool would argue that the A League is working or sustainable. The A League, in fact, is unlikely to exist in 5 years time unless the fundamentals change radically, and ask soon as possible. The cap isn't one of those malfunctioning fundamentals. In my view it has to go. Damn SwiftKey... IS one of those fundamentals
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