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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think RF has probably shown that he has some ability as a coach, in terms of recognising the need for changes and making changes during games, but I really think it comes down to the lack of quality in the players he has. Of course RF is largely responsible for many of these players being there in the first place. Lookjng at some of this seasons recruits: Neville - average/lower than average A League defender Aldred - most (if not all) starting CB’s at other clubs are better players, he is too slow, has poor touch and not very mobile (and is a bit of a thug at times). Certainly not good enough for a visa player (mind you, what does it say about the bottom half of SPL, given he was a regular at Motherwell for the last season and a half). Gillesphey - everyone agrees he is not near the standard required. McGing - squad player at best O’Neill - looked promising when at CCM, but has been disappointing this season. I hope this is due to the poor quality of those around him. Ingham - never more than an A League squaddie at either Roar or Victory Inman - hasn’t shown very much, another English lower league recruit who hasn’t shown (at least yet) that he is at the standard of an acceptable A League player Holloway - looks ok on occasion, but the fact that he appears incapable of playing any more than a half of football means he is a poor choice as a visa player. ROD - not good enough, has been MIA for most games (despite getting most of Roars goals) O’Shea - undoubtably the best recruit, but still no more than average quality as far as the A League is concerned. Wouldn’t be an automatic starter in the majority of the A League teams. Crocombe - at least he has put pressure on Young, and has probably made Young a better player with his feet. Would not be a starting keeper in any other A League side though. Depressing because it's accurate. Anything RF tries with that lot is akin to shuffling the deckchairs of the Titanic I disagree with that. I think because of the prevalence of AFL and NRL where they have access to the worlds best players in their codes, the thinking translates in to football where - maybe not the worlds best players - the feeling is you need better players than your opponents. Its not true. What you need is a squad that is fit, organised, motivated and has an appropriate game plan for the combined ability of the players within it. Fowler should be able to organise these players to make the sum total of the players more effective than the individuals within it. Leicester City are doing just that in England right now and football history is full of teams like them. Signing “better players” so I can be a “better coach” is right out of the John Aloisi coaching manual. It’s bollocks - Fowler needs to do his job and so far, he isn’t. While I agree that good coaches are those who can organise and use their individual players qualities so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, there is still a requirement to have players of a certain level to start with, that level being dependent on the strength of the competition. My contention is that Roar have very few players who approach that (A League) level, and in particular not achieving that level with the imports is a significant problem. I don't agree with the Leicester analogy, they have a number of players of class who would get a gig at most other sides at the moment (Schmeichel, Vardy, Maddison, Chilwell immediately come to mind). I’ve struggled with a few people’s assertions that the A League is somehow better quality than League One in England, we’re not. Its an Aussie thing, we can’t accept things for what they are we have to be “the best at it” ... So Roars recruits from League One/SPL are about the level of the A League. In theory better because they’re used to 50+ season games and scrapping (none of which seem evident though to be fair). If the A League were better than League One standard at say Championship level then it would put Korean, Japanese, and Chinese clubs at EPL level such is the gap in quality between them and the HAL. so lets get over ourselves, the A Leagues not a higher standard than League One so those players can fit in nicely (and we can still enjoy it for what it is!). And theres enough evidence of that from this season - Roar have only been outclassed once by a side who have a stable coaching team, a stable style of play, a stable playing group and confidence flowing through the club ..... meanwhile Roar have a new coaching team, 16 new players, a new playing style and are a club bereft of confidence. Other than that Roar have been in games all season and remain just 5 points off third place And when you look at the first half goals conceded vs SFC, all three started in midfield when Roar failed to pressurise the ball carrier and block the passing lane - O’Neil, Mauk and Inman all have the ability to do that ... they just didn’t. That’s not a quality thing, that’s just shit football. And okay, Leicester might be a bad example for you - but you get my point that coaches can assemble squads for a fraction of the price/quality others do and get them to perform - Clough in his early years at Derby and Forest, Wimbledon ... I’m not sure there’s a good HAL example but Amors Adelaide comes close. At no point did I assert that the A League is a better quality then League One. My opinion is that the individual players that have been recruited (the overseas players with basically with a mix of League One/Two experience, plus the Australian players) have not proven so far to be at the general level of what I would class as a "good" player in the A League, let alone a standout player. To be blunt, most so far have been poor. And while a good coach might make a good team out of average players, it is a different question to make a good team out of poor players, even with maybe one or two average ones thrown in. I'm sure that there is a considerable number of League One players who would be hits in the A League, but certainly not all of them. And when you look at the players RF has recruited from overseas, apart from possibly O'Shea they don't have records as reasonably high quality League One players. Certainly from what I have seen so far, only O'Shea is at the level of a consistent A League starter at a mid-level A League team. I wasn’t suggesting you were making that assertion, but plenty have. Fowler had a plan with his visa players - typically they’d been through a good Academy, showed potential at a young age playing Intl Rep football, but all failed to meet that potential dropping away to liwer league football. It was a nice plan not forgetting two of them have spent a combined 6 years in EPL squads - so on paper a cunning plan. But its not delivering. Yet anyway. keep wasting your time and money with a lost cause. but generally I love wasting my time and money on a lost cause. It’s actually okay That's what my father does, and given I live in Brisbane, our one way of bonding is at Suncorp. I told him not to buy season tickets this season but he is a loyal supporter lol At least you and your Dad can console each other this season. Not a bright start for either team :) My old man keeps on defending roar, loyal as they come while I keep slagging them while watching the game together, he is slowly coming to my side though. He hates Wenzell Halls for some reason while praising Odonovan :laugh: And so he should - that’s what Support is about even allowing for the odd rant. Youre Dad can pick a striker then, DWH is pretty poor just loved by the Internet crowd who presumably don’t watch games or are really NRL fans waiting for the season to start up. DWH is raw , not overly cultured and has an ordinary first touch.....but the guy is constantly looking to ......shoot farken ! I love that about him. No one else seems interested in just having a hit ..and if they do it is to Row Z . DWH usually has them fizzing toward goal ....even if he does hit into players a bit . A player like that puts defenders on edge as they never know when he will have a crack . I reckon when they see Roy all they see if a penalty taker ....other that that he does not threaten too much.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think RF has probably shown that he has some ability as a coach, in terms of recognising the need for changes and making changes during games, but I really think it comes down to the lack of quality in the players he has. Of course RF is largely responsible for many of these players being there in the first place. Lookjng at some of this seasons recruits: Neville - average/lower than average A League defender Aldred - most (if not all) starting CB’s at other clubs are better players, he is too slow, has poor touch and not very mobile (and is a bit of a thug at times). Certainly not good enough for a visa player (mind you, what does it say about the bottom half of SPL, given he was a regular at Motherwell for the last season and a half). Gillesphey - everyone agrees he is not near the standard required. McGing - squad player at best O’Neill - looked promising when at CCM, but has been disappointing this season. I hope this is due to the poor quality of those around him. Ingham - never more than an A League squaddie at either Roar or Victory Inman - hasn’t shown very much, another English lower league recruit who hasn’t shown (at least yet) that he is at the standard of an acceptable A League player Holloway - looks ok on occasion, but the fact that he appears incapable of playing any more than a half of football means he is a poor choice as a visa player. ROD - not good enough, has been MIA for most games (despite getting most of Roars goals) O’Shea - undoubtably the best recruit, but still no more than average quality as far as the A League is concerned. Wouldn’t be an automatic starter in the majority of the A League teams. Crocombe - at least he has put pressure on Young, and has probably made Young a better player with his feet. Would not be a starting keeper in any other A League side though. Depressing because it's accurate. Anything RF tries with that lot is akin to shuffling the deckchairs of the Titanic I disagree with that. I think because of the prevalence of AFL and NRL where they have access to the worlds best players in their codes, the thinking translates in to football where - maybe not the worlds best players - the feeling is you need better players than your opponents. Its not true. What you need is a squad that is fit, organised, motivated and has an appropriate game plan for the combined ability of the players within it. Fowler should be able to organise these players to make the sum total of the players more effective than the individuals within it. Leicester City are doing just that in England right now and football history is full of teams like them. Signing “better players” so I can be a “better coach” is right out of the John Aloisi coaching manual. It’s bollocks - Fowler needs to do his job and so far, he isn’t. While I agree that good coaches are those who can organise and use their individual players qualities so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, there is still a requirement to have players of a certain level to start with, that level being dependent on the strength of the competition. My contention is that Roar have very few players who approach that (A League) level, and in particular not achieving that level with the imports is a significant problem. I don't agree with the Leicester analogy, they have a number of players of class who would get a gig at most other sides at the moment (Schmeichel, Vardy, Maddison, Chilwell immediately come to mind). I’ve struggled with a few people’s assertions that the A League is somehow better quality than League One in England, we’re not. Its an Aussie thing, we can’t accept things for what they are we have to be “the best at it” ... So Roars recruits from League One/SPL are about the level of the A League. In theory better because they’re used to 50+ season games and scrapping (none of which seem evident though to be fair). If the A League were better than League One standard at say Championship level then it would put Korean, Japanese, and Chinese clubs at EPL level such is the gap in quality between them and the HAL. so lets get over ourselves, the A Leagues not a higher standard than League One so those players can fit in nicely (and we can still enjoy it for what it is!). And theres enough evidence of that from this season - Roar have only been outclassed once by a side who have a stable coaching team, a stable style of play, a stable playing group and confidence flowing through the club ..... meanwhile Roar have a new coaching team, 16 new players, a new playing style and are a club bereft of confidence. Other than that Roar have been in games all season and remain just 5 points off third place And when you look at the first half goals conceded vs SFC, all three started in midfield when Roar failed to pressurise the ball carrier and block the passing lane - O’Neil, Mauk and Inman all have the ability to do that ... they just didn’t. That’s not a quality thing, that’s just shit football. And okay, Leicester might be a bad example for you - but you get my point that coaches can assemble squads for a fraction of the price/quality others do and get them to perform - Clough in his early years at Derby and Forest, Wimbledon ... I’m not sure there’s a good HAL example but Amors Adelaide comes close. At no point did I assert that the A League is a better quality then League One. My opinion is that the individual players that have been recruited (the overseas players with basically with a mix of League One/Two experience, plus the Australian players) have not proven so far to be at the general level of what I would class as a "good" player in the A League, let alone a standout player. To be blunt, most so far have been poor. And while a good coach might make a good team out of average players, it is a different question to make a good team out of poor players, even with maybe one or two average ones thrown in. I'm sure that there is a considerable number of League One players who would be hits in the A League, but certainly not all of them. And when you look at the players RF has recruited from overseas, apart from possibly O'Shea they don't have records as reasonably high quality League One players. Certainly from what I have seen so far, only O'Shea is at the level of a consistent A League starter at a mid-level A League team. I wasn’t suggesting you were making that assertion, but plenty have. Fowler had a plan with his visa players - typically they’d been through a good Academy, showed potential at a young age playing Intl Rep football, but all failed to meet that potential dropping away to liwer league football. It was a nice plan not forgetting two of them have spent a combined 6 years in EPL squads - so on paper a cunning plan. But its not delivering. Yet anyway. keep wasting your time and money with a lost cause. but generally I love wasting my time and money on a lost cause. It’s actually okay That's what my father does, and given I live in Brisbane, our one way of bonding is at Suncorp. I told him not to buy season tickets this season but he is a loyal supporter lol At least you and your Dad can console each other this season. Not a bright start for either team :) My old man keeps on defending roar, loyal as they come while I keep slagging them while watching the game together, he is slowly coming to my side though. He hates Wenzell Halls for some reason while praising Odonovan :laugh: And so he should - that’s what Support is about even allowing for the odd rant. Youre Dad can pick a striker then, DWH is pretty poor just loved by the Internet crowd who presumably don’t watch games or are really NRL fans waiting for the season to start up. Nah just hates him, nothing to do with his skill, he also hated Mitch Nichols and Robbie Kruse. Ahh, okay ... what did he think of Dimi 👀 Loved him actually, both were big fans :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think RF has probably shown that he has some ability as a coach, in terms of recognising the need for changes and making changes during games, but I really think it comes down to the lack of quality in the players he has. Of course RF is largely responsible for many of these players being there in the first place. Lookjng at some of this seasons recruits: Neville - average/lower than average A League defender Aldred - most (if not all) starting CB’s at other clubs are better players, he is too slow, has poor touch and not very mobile (and is a bit of a thug at times). Certainly not good enough for a visa player (mind you, what does it say about the bottom half of SPL, given he was a regular at Motherwell for the last season and a half). Gillesphey - everyone agrees he is not near the standard required. McGing - squad player at best O’Neill - looked promising when at CCM, but has been disappointing this season. I hope this is due to the poor quality of those around him. Ingham - never more than an A League squaddie at either Roar or Victory Inman - hasn’t shown very much, another English lower league recruit who hasn’t shown (at least yet) that he is at the standard of an acceptable A League player Holloway - looks ok on occasion, but the fact that he appears incapable of playing any more than a half of football means he is a poor choice as a visa player. ROD - not good enough, has been MIA for most games (despite getting most of Roars goals) O’Shea - undoubtably the best recruit, but still no more than average quality as far as the A League is concerned. Wouldn’t be an automatic starter in the majority of the A League teams. Crocombe - at least he has put pressure on Young, and has probably made Young a better player with his feet. Would not be a starting keeper in any other A League side though. Depressing because it's accurate. Anything RF tries with that lot is akin to shuffling the deckchairs of the Titanic I disagree with that. I think because of the prevalence of AFL and NRL where they have access to the worlds best players in their codes, the thinking translates in to football where - maybe not the worlds best players - the feeling is you need better players than your opponents. Its not true. What you need is a squad that is fit, organised, motivated and has an appropriate game plan for the combined ability of the players within it. Fowler should be able to organise these players to make the sum total of the players more effective than the individuals within it. Leicester City are doing just that in England right now and football history is full of teams like them. Signing “better players” so I can be a “better coach” is right out of the John Aloisi coaching manual. It’s bollocks - Fowler needs to do his job and so far, he isn’t. While I agree that good coaches are those who can organise and use their individual players qualities so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, there is still a requirement to have players of a certain level to start with, that level being dependent on the strength of the competition. My contention is that Roar have very few players who approach that (A League) level, and in particular not achieving that level with the imports is a significant problem. I don't agree with the Leicester analogy, they have a number of players of class who would get a gig at most other sides at the moment (Schmeichel, Vardy, Maddison, Chilwell immediately come to mind). I’ve struggled with a few people’s assertions that the A League is somehow better quality than League One in England, we’re not. Its an Aussie thing, we can’t accept things for what they are we have to be “the best at it” ... So Roars recruits from League One/SPL are about the level of the A League. In theory better because they’re used to 50+ season games and scrapping (none of which seem evident though to be fair). If the A League were better than League One standard at say Championship level then it would put Korean, Japanese, and Chinese clubs at EPL level such is the gap in quality between them and the HAL. so lets get over ourselves, the A Leagues not a higher standard than League One so those players can fit in nicely (and we can still enjoy it for what it is!). And theres enough evidence of that from this season - Roar have only been outclassed once by a side who have a stable coaching team, a stable style of play, a stable playing group and confidence flowing through the club ..... meanwhile Roar have a new coaching team, 16 new players, a new playing style and are a club bereft of confidence. Other than that Roar have been in games all season and remain just 5 points off third place And when you look at the first half goals conceded vs SFC, all three started in midfield when Roar failed to pressurise the ball carrier and block the passing lane - O’Neil, Mauk and Inman all have the ability to do that ... they just didn’t. That’s not a quality thing, that’s just shit football. And okay, Leicester might be a bad example for you - but you get my point that coaches can assemble squads for a fraction of the price/quality others do and get them to perform - Clough in his early years at Derby and Forest, Wimbledon ... I’m not sure there’s a good HAL example but Amors Adelaide comes close. At no point did I assert that the A League is a better quality then League One. My opinion is that the individual players that have been recruited (the overseas players with basically with a mix of League One/Two experience, plus the Australian players) have not proven so far to be at the general level of what I would class as a "good" player in the A League, let alone a standout player. To be blunt, most so far have been poor. And while a good coach might make a good team out of average players, it is a different question to make a good team out of poor players, even with maybe one or two average ones thrown in. I'm sure that there is a considerable number of League One players who would be hits in the A League, but certainly not all of them. And when you look at the players RF has recruited from overseas, apart from possibly O'Shea they don't have records as reasonably high quality League One players. Certainly from what I have seen so far, only O'Shea is at the level of a consistent A League starter at a mid-level A League team. I wasn’t suggesting you were making that assertion, but plenty have. Fowler had a plan with his visa players - typically they’d been through a good Academy, showed potential at a young age playing Intl Rep football, but all failed to meet that potential dropping away to liwer league football. It was a nice plan not forgetting two of them have spent a combined 6 years in EPL squads - so on paper a cunning plan. But its not delivering. Yet anyway. keep wasting your time and money with a lost cause. but generally I love wasting my time and money on a lost cause. It’s actually okay That's what my father does, and given I live in Brisbane, our one way of bonding is at Suncorp. I told him not to buy season tickets this season but he is a loyal supporter lol At least you and your Dad can console each other this season. Not a bright start for either team :) My old man keeps on defending roar, loyal as they come while I keep slagging them while watching the game together, he is slowly coming to my side though. He hates Wenzell Halls for some reason while praising Odonovan :laugh: And so he should - that’s what Support is about even allowing for the odd rant. Youre Dad can pick a striker then, DWH is pretty poor just loved by the Internet crowd who presumably don’t watch games or are really NRL fans waiting for the season to start up. DWH is raw , not overly cultured and has an ordinary first touch.....but the guy is constantly looking to ......shoot farken ! I love that about him. No one else seems interested in just having a hit ..and if they do it is to Row Z . DWH usually has them fizzing toward goal ....even if he does hit into players a bit . A player like that puts defenders on edge as they never know when he will have a crack . I reckon when they see Roy all they see if a penalty taker ....other that that he does not threaten too much. I agree. DWH also has a that bit of annoyance about him that every good striker has and you know he's there.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think RF has probably shown that he has some ability as a coach, in terms of recognising the need for changes and making changes during games, but I really think it comes down to the lack of quality in the players he has. Of course RF is largely responsible for many of these players being there in the first place. Lookjng at some of this seasons recruits: Neville - average/lower than average A League defender Aldred - most (if not all) starting CB’s at other clubs are better players, he is too slow, has poor touch and not very mobile (and is a bit of a thug at times). Certainly not good enough for a visa player (mind you, what does it say about the bottom half of SPL, given he was a regular at Motherwell for the last season and a half). Gillesphey - everyone agrees he is not near the standard required. McGing - squad player at best O’Neill - looked promising when at CCM, but has been disappointing this season. I hope this is due to the poor quality of those around him. Ingham - never more than an A League squaddie at either Roar or Victory Inman - hasn’t shown very much, another English lower league recruit who hasn’t shown (at least yet) that he is at the standard of an acceptable A League player Holloway - looks ok on occasion, but the fact that he appears incapable of playing any more than a half of football means he is a poor choice as a visa player. ROD - not good enough, has been MIA for most games (despite getting most of Roars goals) O’Shea - undoubtably the best recruit, but still no more than average quality as far as the A League is concerned. Wouldn’t be an automatic starter in the majority of the A League teams. Crocombe - at least he has put pressure on Young, and has probably made Young a better player with his feet. Would not be a starting keeper in any other A League side though. Depressing because it's accurate. Anything RF tries with that lot is akin to shuffling the deckchairs of the Titanic I disagree with that. I think because of the prevalence of AFL and NRL where they have access to the worlds best players in their codes, the thinking translates in to football where - maybe not the worlds best players - the feeling is you need better players than your opponents. Its not true. What you need is a squad that is fit, organised, motivated and has an appropriate game plan for the combined ability of the players within it. Fowler should be able to organise these players to make the sum total of the players more effective than the individuals within it. Leicester City are doing just that in England right now and football history is full of teams like them. Signing “better players” so I can be a “better coach” is right out of the John Aloisi coaching manual. It’s bollocks - Fowler needs to do his job and so far, he isn’t. While I agree that good coaches are those who can organise and use their individual players qualities so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, there is still a requirement to have players of a certain level to start with, that level being dependent on the strength of the competition. My contention is that Roar have very few players who approach that (A League) level, and in particular not achieving that level with the imports is a significant problem. I don't agree with the Leicester analogy, they have a number of players of class who would get a gig at most other sides at the moment (Schmeichel, Vardy, Maddison, Chilwell immediately come to mind). I’ve struggled with a few people’s assertions that the A League is somehow better quality than League One in England, we’re not. Its an Aussie thing, we can’t accept things for what they are we have to be “the best at it” ... So Roars recruits from League One/SPL are about the level of the A League. In theory better because they’re used to 50+ season games and scrapping (none of which seem evident though to be fair). If the A League were better than League One standard at say Championship level then it would put Korean, Japanese, and Chinese clubs at EPL level such is the gap in quality between them and the HAL. so lets get over ourselves, the A Leagues not a higher standard than League One so those players can fit in nicely (and we can still enjoy it for what it is!). And theres enough evidence of that from this season - Roar have only been outclassed once by a side who have a stable coaching team, a stable style of play, a stable playing group and confidence flowing through the club ..... meanwhile Roar have a new coaching team, 16 new players, a new playing style and are a club bereft of confidence. Other than that Roar have been in games all season and remain just 5 points off third place And when you look at the first half goals conceded vs SFC, all three started in midfield when Roar failed to pressurise the ball carrier and block the passing lane - O’Neil, Mauk and Inman all have the ability to do that ... they just didn’t. That’s not a quality thing, that’s just shit football. And okay, Leicester might be a bad example for you - but you get my point that coaches can assemble squads for a fraction of the price/quality others do and get them to perform - Clough in his early years at Derby and Forest, Wimbledon ... I’m not sure there’s a good HAL example but Amors Adelaide comes close. At no point did I assert that the A League is a better quality then League One. My opinion is that the individual players that have been recruited (the overseas players with basically with a mix of League One/Two experience, plus the Australian players) have not proven so far to be at the general level of what I would class as a "good" player in the A League, let alone a standout player. To be blunt, most so far have been poor. And while a good coach might make a good team out of average players, it is a different question to make a good team out of poor players, even with maybe one or two average ones thrown in. I'm sure that there is a considerable number of League One players who would be hits in the A League, but certainly not all of them. And when you look at the players RF has recruited from overseas, apart from possibly O'Shea they don't have records as reasonably high quality League One players. Certainly from what I have seen so far, only O'Shea is at the level of a consistent A League starter at a mid-level A League team. I wasn’t suggesting you were making that assertion, but plenty have. Fowler had a plan with his visa players - typically they’d been through a good Academy, showed potential at a young age playing Intl Rep football, but all failed to meet that potential dropping away to liwer league football. It was a nice plan not forgetting two of them have spent a combined 6 years in EPL squads - so on paper a cunning plan. But its not delivering. Yet anyway. keep wasting your time and money with a lost cause. but generally I love wasting my time and money on a lost cause. It’s actually okay That's what my father does, and given I live in Brisbane, our one way of bonding is at Suncorp. I told him not to buy season tickets this season but he is a loyal supporter lol At least you and your Dad can console each other this season. Not a bright start for either team :) My old man keeps on defending roar, loyal as they come while I keep slagging them while watching the game together, he is slowly coming to my side though. He hates Wenzell Halls for some reason while praising Odonovan :laugh: And so he should - that’s what Support is about even allowing for the odd rant. Youre Dad can pick a striker then, DWH is pretty poor just loved by the Internet crowd who presumably don’t watch games or are really NRL fans waiting for the season to start up. DWH is raw , not overly cultured and has an ordinary first touch.....but the guy is constantly looking to ......shoot farken ! I love that about him. No one else seems interested in just having a hit ..and if they do it is to Row Z . DWH usually has them fizzing toward goal ....even if he does hit into players a bit . A player like that puts defenders on edge as they never know when he will have a crack . I reckon when they see Roy all they see if a penalty taker ....other that that he does not threaten too much. I agree. DWH also has a that bit of annoyance about him that every good striker has and you know he's there. Don’t disagree. His frailties are no good on the wing, he needs to be pulled centrally alongside ROD and told to go for it.
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Part of the problem RF has created is playing players out of position or not to their best formation.
DWH for example is not playing as a striker.He is being played out wide.What a waste for a player who like to shoot and is a striker.
Mauk----He is an attacking player.But JOS is in his position.Henseems all over the place.Eight games in and struggling.
Inman---- I dont know his best position.But he is all over the place.
ROD.------- surely he prefers a second player next to him.
AON------- has the responsibility of screening the backs and distributing the ball and on his own half the time.A big ask and one he is struggling with .This is a guy with a big shot in front of goal.
AAH------the target man.He surely must be pissed that he was recruited to receive long balls.He seems to have more abilities but he has been type cast as the second striker only.Probably has held him back throughout his football career.
CP----For the Joey's he was a CB.For the Roar he is FB.
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Does Roar have any room to bring in someone cum Jan transfer window>? Or will they have to release some of the dead wood?.
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I agree that ROD needs someone next to him.
And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly)
Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem.
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+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement.
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+xDoes Roar have any room to bring in someone cum Jan transfer window>? Or will they have to release some of the dead wood?. I spoke to one of the youth players on the weekend and he rekons one of the "poms" is heading back home.
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+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. not sure James Packer ever represented the Roar ....although I don't doubt his dad could have got him a gig...seems to remember Andrew Packer getting a go though ....
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+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay
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+x+xDoes Roar have any room to bring in someone cum Jan transfer window>? Or will they have to release some of the dead wood?. I spoke to one of the youth players on the weekend and he rekons one of the "poms" is heading back home. Tipping it will be AAH,looks like he hasn’t settled and let’s face it it is a big body to be running around in 30+ game days.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think RF has probably shown that he has some ability as a coach, in terms of recognising the need for changes and making changes during games, but I really think it comes down to the lack of quality in the players he has. Of course RF is largely responsible for many of these players being there in the first place. Lookjng at some of this seasons recruits: Neville - average/lower than average A League defender Aldred - most (if not all) starting CB’s at other clubs are better players, he is too slow, has poor touch and not very mobile (and is a bit of a thug at times). Certainly not good enough for a visa player (mind you, what does it say about the bottom half of SPL, given he was a regular at Motherwell for the last season and a half). Gillesphey - everyone agrees he is not near the standard required. McGing - squad player at best O’Neill - looked promising when at CCM, but has been disappointing this season. I hope this is due to the poor quality of those around him. Ingham - never more than an A League squaddie at either Roar or Victory Inman - hasn’t shown very much, another English lower league recruit who hasn’t shown (at least yet) that he is at the standard of an acceptable A League player Holloway - looks ok on occasion, but the fact that he appears incapable of playing any more than a half of football means he is a poor choice as a visa player. ROD - not good enough, has been MIA for most games (despite getting most of Roars goals) O’Shea - undoubtably the best recruit, but still no more than average quality as far as the A League is concerned. Wouldn’t be an automatic starter in the majority of the A League teams. Crocombe - at least he has put pressure on Young, and has probably made Young a better player with his feet. Would not be a starting keeper in any other A League side though. Depressing because it's accurate. Anything RF tries with that lot is akin to shuffling the deckchairs of the Titanic I disagree with that. I think because of the prevalence of AFL and NRL where they have access to the worlds best players in their codes, the thinking translates in to football where - maybe not the worlds best players - the feeling is you need better players than your opponents. Its not true. What you need is a squad that is fit, organised, motivated and has an appropriate game plan for the combined ability of the players within it. Fowler should be able to organise these players to make the sum total of the players more effective than the individuals within it. Leicester City are doing just that in England right now and football history is full of teams like them. Signing “better players” so I can be a “better coach” is right out of the John Aloisi coaching manual. It’s bollocks - Fowler needs to do his job and so far, he isn’t. While I agree that good coaches are those who can organise and use their individual players qualities so that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, there is still a requirement to have players of a certain level to start with, that level being dependent on the strength of the competition. My contention is that Roar have very few players who approach that (A League) level, and in particular not achieving that level with the imports is a significant problem. I don't agree with the Leicester analogy, they have a number of players of class who would get a gig at most other sides at the moment (Schmeichel, Vardy, Maddison, Chilwell immediately come to mind). I’ve struggled with a few people’s assertions that the A League is somehow better quality than League One in England, we’re not. Its an Aussie thing, we can’t accept things for what they are we have to be “the best at it” ... So Roars recruits from League One/SPL are about the level of the A League. In theory better because they’re used to 50+ season games and scrapping (none of which seem evident though to be fair). If the A League were better than League One standard at say Championship level then it would put Korean, Japanese, and Chinese clubs at EPL level such is the gap in quality between them and the HAL. so lets get over ourselves, the A Leagues not a higher standard than League One so those players can fit in nicely (and we can still enjoy it for what it is!). And theres enough evidence of that from this season - Roar have only been outclassed once by a side who have a stable coaching team, a stable style of play, a stable playing group and confidence flowing through the club ..... meanwhile Roar have a new coaching team, 16 new players, a new playing style and are a club bereft of confidence. Other than that Roar have been in games all season and remain just 5 points off third place And when you look at the first half goals conceded vs SFC, all three started in midfield when Roar failed to pressurise the ball carrier and block the passing lane - O’Neil, Mauk and Inman all have the ability to do that ... they just didn’t. That’s not a quality thing, that’s just shit football. And okay, Leicester might be a bad example for you - but you get my point that coaches can assemble squads for a fraction of the price/quality others do and get them to perform - Clough in his early years at Derby and Forest, Wimbledon ... I’m not sure there’s a good HAL example but Amors Adelaide comes close. At no point did I assert that the A League is a better quality then League One. My opinion is that the individual players that have been recruited (the overseas players with basically with a mix of League One/Two experience, plus the Australian players) have not proven so far to be at the general level of what I would class as a "good" player in the A League, let alone a standout player. To be blunt, most so far have been poor. And while a good coach might make a good team out of average players, it is a different question to make a good team out of poor players, even with maybe one or two average ones thrown in. I'm sure that there is a considerable number of League One players who would be hits in the A League, but certainly not all of them. And when you look at the players RF has recruited from overseas, apart from possibly O'Shea they don't have records as reasonably high quality League One players. Certainly from what I have seen so far, only O'Shea is at the level of a consistent A League starter at a mid-level A League team. I wasn’t suggesting you were making that assertion, but plenty have. Fowler had a plan with his visa players - typically they’d been through a good Academy, showed potential at a young age playing Intl Rep football, but all failed to meet that potential dropping away to liwer league football. It was a nice plan not forgetting two of them have spent a combined 6 years in EPL squads - so on paper a cunning plan. But its not delivering. Yet anyway. keep wasting your time and money with a lost cause. but generally I love wasting my time and money on a lost cause. It’s actually okay That's what my father does, and given I live in Brisbane, our one way of bonding is at Suncorp. I told him not to buy season tickets this season but he is a loyal supporter lol At least you and your Dad can console each other this season. Not a bright start for either team :) My old man keeps on defending roar, loyal as they come while I keep slagging them while watching the game together, he is slowly coming to my side though. He hates Wenzell Halls for some reason while praising Odonovan :laugh: And so he should - that’s what Support is about even allowing for the odd rant. Youre Dad can pick a striker then, DWH is pretty poor just loved by the Internet crowd who presumably don’t watch games or are really NRL fans waiting for the season to start up. Nah just hates him, nothing to do with his skill, he also hated Mitch Nichols and Robbie Kruse. Not just me the.
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Had hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required.
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+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s.
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Nope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city.
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+x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. Which would be perfectly justifiable, given ROD is taking up a Visa slot, on more money than DWH, has been getting 90 minutes every week and at his age should be a fully rounded player. Context is important.
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+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch.
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+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling wassigned from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. He is a player on the clubs books. Fowler should be doing whatever he needs to go to try and get his game up to standard, regardless of what level people think he should already be at.
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+x+x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. Which would be perfectly justifiable, given ROD is taking up a Visa slot, on more money than DWH, has been getting 90 minutes every week and at his age should be a fully rounded player. Context is important. You either critique both the same or neither. Otherwise its double standards. The context of RODs big money is not that he gets the basics right but that he brings leadership, experience, maturity, and through all that maybe a bit of composure. In the context of what I’d posted - DWH’s shots on target rate is too low, and so is his conversion rate of shots to goals. I would expect more from a senior/visa player yes, but Dylan is not meeting the standards expected of him - he’s 22 not a youth player.
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+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching
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+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling wassigned from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. He is a player on the clubs books. Fowler should be doing whatever he needs to go to try and get his game up to standard, regardless of what level people think he should already be at. No he shouldn’t. Technically if the basics arent there he should be dropped to the NPL squad until his game is up to standard. Thats how the coaching supply chain works. The training drills required to improve DWHs basic skill set are not the drills the Roar first team players will be doing (those type of drills typically finish at U16 so don’t expect Roars first team to be doing them). For DWH to be of use to this team he has to be played to his strengths - and if the kids banging in 15+ goals a season I don’t think anyone will care whether his first touch is poor or that he never passes, he may never play for Man City but he’ll always be in demand ...
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+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those.
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+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others.
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+x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. Fowler is not here to develop players.
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+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. DWH Needs to go on loan overseas.
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+xThe training drills required to improve DWHs basic skill set are not the drills the Roar first team players will be doing (those type of drills typically finish at U16 so don’t expect Roars first team to be doing them)...
The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness for a start...
I didn't know either of those things. Changes my understanding of the professional world. Is it feasible/practical for a committed player to do enough of those extra drills outside proper training to improve? We hear about 'last player to leave training' but not whether they can (or are allowed to) do extra drills outside that.
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