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+x+xThe training drills required to improve DWHs basic skill set are not the drills the Roar first team players will be doing (those type of drills typically finish at U16 so don’t expect Roars first team to be doing them)...
The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness for a start...
I didn't know either of those things. Changes my understanding of the professional world. Is it feasible/practical for a committed player to do enough of those extra drills outside proper training to improve? We hear about 'last player to leave training' but not whether they can (or are allowed to) do extra drills outside that. It’s unlikely that Roar are operating without 24x7 training plans covering everything from exercise, diet, sleeping etc ... so a players not going to be able to do extra training without approval. So I’d say not. And the amount of training required to improve touch is huge, it’s embedded in “muscle memory” which requires a lot of time and repetition to create or “re-wire”, many players with poor first touch have “muscle memory” that forces them to repeat that poor first touch over and over again and all that needs to be undone, and then redone to get it right. I’ve got 75 U18’s on trial at the moment. Those with a good first touch have all come through SAP, those that haven’t come through SAP have got much poorer first touch, so i can see the effect the training/repetition has had. The more a player plays the better his/her touch will get is often quoted - I don’t think that’s the case and there’s more than enough evidence in/outside of sport to support that. But thats not the end for DWH but moving club won’t fix his flaws. Aldred also has a pretty agricultural first touch (so does Jamie Young who often looks down at the ball as it arrives at his feet so he can see where it goes) but both are really good in the other areas of their game ... and that’s what I meant earlier on: DWH (with Fowler’s assistance) needs to become a really good finisher and not worry about what he can’t do ... the die is cast on that stuff ... so just get better at what you are good at.
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+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. +x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay It was actually Thomas Broich's Debut goal for BR. and there were 7000 people in attendance. Time plays funny games with memories because the dark days of Miron were actually the roars peak attendance averaging well over 15k (regular season) the slide began with Frank Farina (though the drop in attendance had little to do with on field performances and more to do with the league in general, and suncorp pricing) our record low attendance was actually 2010-11 when ange took the league by storm. the year after that was our second worst year of attendances so on field success has very little to do with the dark days of the empty roar stadiums. +x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. I can usually see what you are saying Waz even when i dont agree with it but i really dont understand some of your point with DWH (though i will agree that his first touch is not great). firstly you are comparing DWH and ROD's stats, that is completely off the mark as, 1 DWH has not been played as a striker he has been played as a winger, and 2 up until the CCM game has only played bit parts. you say that DWH isnt creating chances, where ROD is, that is plain untrue. in DWH's first start he set up ROD's goal, and won the corner that neville scored off (when there was no hope of anything else happening) More worryingly than shot on or off target percentage, ROD, who is playing as our striker is averaging 3.4 shots per 90 minutes, DWH is up near 5. ROD is simply not doing enough in the box sure his shots on target percentage is higher but that still means he is averaging 1.5 shots on target a game roughly the same as DWH who is playing as a winger. ill agree that DWH's First touch is not great but absolutely will argue that the NPL is not the place for him to improve, and it is not so much technique as from watching him his technique is reasonably sound (his body positioning is correct, his awareness is correct, it is just softening up the touch to keep it close) The NPL is where players learn that they can get away with heavy touches, look at pretty much all the NPL players that come in to the aleague (king kenny is the worst, but also noticeable with Elvis and kitto and melusonic when they first started playing aleague), all their first touches were horrendous because they dont get punished for it in the NPL, it is even an advantage sometimes at that level because it draws players in to be skinned. when they step up to the a-league they get punished for heavy first touches, because the opposition is better and quicker and will nip in to win the ball. the only way that sort of touch is improved is with game time at this level and DWH is actually improving in that regard. go look at his first start for the roar and then look at the last game of last season, his touch improved out of sight. Most importantly we are not playing well and the results are showing that. the frustration from the fans comes from a the recruits that have come in that are not performing and then not showing any desire to play for BR, when the fans see that they will always call for a home grown player like DWH or Mauk who show desire to play for the black and Orange.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different. Is Fowler still doing property investment seminars on the Goldie? Should maybe spend a little time with DWH instead .
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How many full games has DWH had as striker this season?How much time as striker?
How many has ROD had and how many has he scored from general play?
I would rather DWH as striker than ROD any day.
To expect a striker playing part time on the wing to improve as a striker is ridiculous.
RF has to play ROD because he is probably the highest paid player in the team and takes a visa spot.It makes no sense to bag AAH,DWH and Ingham for not scoring.They barely get any game time as strikers.Virtually every time they play they are a goal behind and facing stacked defences.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different. All good. Things often get confused in on-line forums especially when there’s multiple discussions on the same point. I’m hesitant to comment critically on DWH because he is so popular, and right now he’s being played as a wide striker in a system that doesnt suit him. But he had the same deficiencies last year and they’re not going away ... if Roar hadn’t have already signed him I recon RF would have let him go at the end of last season
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different. All good. Things often get confused in on-line forums especially when there’s multiple discussions on the same point. I’m hesitant to comment critically on DWH because he is so popular, and right now he’s being played as a wide striker in a system that doesnt suit him. But he had the same deficiencies last year and they’re not going away ... if Roar hadn’t have already signed him I recon RF would have let him go at the end of last season He definitely would have let dwh go but I think he would have been wrong to do so. He said early on in preseason that he was wrong about dwh. Basically said that he had written him off until he saw him in training first hand and saw his determination, and instinct in front of goal
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different. All good. Things often get confused in on-line forums especially when there’s multiple discussions on the same point. I’m hesitant to comment critically on DWH because he is so popular, and right now he’s being played as a wide striker in a system that doesnt suit him. But he had the same deficiencies last year and they’re not going away ... if Roar hadn’t have already signed him I recon RF would have let him go at the end of last season He definitely would have let dwh go but I think he would have been wrong to do so. He said early on in preseason that he was wrong about dwh. Basically said that he had written him off until he saw him in training first hand and saw his determination, and instinct in front of goal God you guys have really no idea what’s taking place?
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+x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. +x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay It was actually Thomas Broich's Debut goal for BR. and there were 7000 people in attendance. Time plays funny games with memories because the dark days of Miron were actually the roars peak attendance averaging well over 15k (regular season) the slide began with Frank Farina (though the drop in attendance had little to do with on field performances and more to do with the league in general, and suncorp pricing) our record low attendance was actually 2010-11 when ange took the league by storm. the year after that was our second worst year of attendances so on field success has very little to do with the dark days of the empty roar stadiums. +x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. I can usually see what you are saying Waz even when i dont agree with it but i really dont understand some of your point with DWH (though i will agree that his first touch is not great). firstly you are comparing DWH and ROD's stats, that is completely off the mark as, 1 DWH has not been played as a striker he has been played as a winger, and 2 up until the CCM game has only played bit parts. you say that DWH isnt creating chances, where ROD is, that is plain untrue. in DWH's first start he set up ROD's goal, and won the corner that neville scored off (when there was no hope of anything else happening) More worryingly than shot on or off target percentage, ROD, who is playing as our striker is averaging 3.4 shots per 90 minutes, DWH is up near 5. ROD is simply not doing enough in the box sure his shots on target percentage is higher but that still means he is averaging 1.5 shots on target a game roughly the same as DWH who is playing as a winger. ill agree that DWH's First touch is not great but absolutely will argue that the NPL is not the place for him to improve, and it is not so much technique as from watching him his technique is reasonably sound (his body positioning is correct, his awareness is correct, it is just softening up the touch to keep it close) The NPL is where players learn that they can get away with heavy touches, look at pretty much all the NPL players that come in to the aleague (king kenny is the worst, but also noticeable with Elvis and kitto and melusonic when they first started playing aleague), all their first touches were horrendous because they dont get punished for it in the NPL, it is even an advantage sometimes at that level because it draws players in to be skinned. when they step up to the a-league they get punished for heavy first touches, because the opposition is better and quicker and will nip in to win the ball. the only way that sort of touch is improved is with game time at this level and DWH is actually improving in that regard. go look at his first start for the roar and then look at the last game of last season, his touch improved out of sight. Most importantly we are not playing well and the results are showing that. the frustration from the fans comes from a the recruits that have come in that are not performing and then not showing any desire to play for BR, when the fans see that they will always call for a home grown player like DWH or Mauk who show desire to play for the black and Orange. I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that 7k. I was there myself and I recall clearly tm an a bit. Think about it it. Wednesday night, a team thats had to been losing for some time. Does 7k sound likely? Where are you sourcing your information from?
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+x+x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. +x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay It was actually Thomas Broich's Debut goal for BR. and there were 7000 people in attendance. Time plays funny games with memories because the dark days of Miron were actually the roars peak attendance averaging well over 15k (regular season) the slide began with Frank Farina (though the drop in attendance had little to do with on field performances and more to do with the league in general, and suncorp pricing) our record low attendance was actually 2010-11 when ange took the league by storm. the year after that was our second worst year of attendances so on field success has very little to do with the dark days of the empty roar stadiums. +x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. I can usually see what you are saying Waz even when i dont agree with it but i really dont understand some of your point with DWH (though i will agree that his first touch is not great). firstly you are comparing DWH and ROD's stats, that is completely off the mark as, 1 DWH has not been played as a striker he has been played as a winger, and 2 up until the CCM game has only played bit parts. you say that DWH isnt creating chances, where ROD is, that is plain untrue. in DWH's first start he set up ROD's goal, and won the corner that neville scored off (when there was no hope of anything else happening) More worryingly than shot on or off target percentage, ROD, who is playing as our striker is averaging 3.4 shots per 90 minutes, DWH is up near 5. ROD is simply not doing enough in the box sure his shots on target percentage is higher but that still means he is averaging 1.5 shots on target a game roughly the same as DWH who is playing as a winger. ill agree that DWH's First touch is not great but absolutely will argue that the NPL is not the place for him to improve, and it is not so much technique as from watching him his technique is reasonably sound (his body positioning is correct, his awareness is correct, it is just softening up the touch to keep it close) The NPL is where players learn that they can get away with heavy touches, look at pretty much all the NPL players that come in to the aleague (king kenny is the worst, but also noticeable with Elvis and kitto and melusonic when they first started playing aleague), all their first touches were horrendous because they dont get punished for it in the NPL, it is even an advantage sometimes at that level because it draws players in to be skinned. when they step up to the a-league they get punished for heavy first touches, because the opposition is better and quicker and will nip in to win the ball. the only way that sort of touch is improved is with game time at this level and DWH is actually improving in that regard. go look at his first start for the roar and then look at the last game of last season, his touch improved out of sight. Most importantly we are not playing well and the results are showing that. the frustration from the fans comes from a the recruits that have come in that are not performing and then not showing any desire to play for BR, when the fans see that they will always call for a home grown player like DWH or Mauk who show desire to play for the black and Orange. I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that 7k. I was there myself and I recall clearly tm an a bit. Think about it it. Wednesday night, a team thats had to been losing for some time. Does 7k sound likely? Where are you sourcing your information from? *recall 5k and a bit
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different. All good. Things often get confused in on-line forums especially when there’s multiple discussions on the same point. I’m hesitant to comment critically on DWH because he is so popular, and right now he’s being played as a wide striker in a system that doesnt suit him. But he had the same deficiencies last year and they’re not going away ... if Roar hadn’t have already signed him I recon RF would have let him go at the end of last season He definitely would have let dwh go but I think he would have been wrong to do so. He said early on in preseason that he was wrong about dwh. Basically said that he had written him off until he saw him in training first hand and saw his determination, and instinct in front of goal God you guys have really no idea what’s taking place? In regards to what?
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+x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. +x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay It was actually Thomas Broich's Debut goal for BR. and there were 7000 people in attendance. Time plays funny games with memories because the dark days of Miron were actually the roars peak attendance averaging well over 15k (regular season) the slide began with Frank Farina (though the drop in attendance had little to do with on field performances and more to do with the league in general, and suncorp pricing) our record low attendance was actually 2010-11 when ange took the league by storm. the year after that was our second worst year of attendances so on field success has very little to do with the dark days of the empty roar stadiums. +x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. I can usually see what you are saying Waz even when i dont agree with it but i really dont understand some of your point with DWH (though i will agree that his first touch is not great). firstly you are comparing DWH and ROD's stats, that is completely off the mark as, 1 DWH has not been played as a striker he has been played as a winger, and 2 up until the CCM game has only played bit parts. you say that DWH isnt creating chances, where ROD is, that is plain untrue. in DWH's first start he set up ROD's goal, and won the corner that neville scored off (when there was no hope of anything else happening) More worryingly than shot on or off target percentage, ROD, who is playing as our striker is averaging 3.4 shots per 90 minutes, DWH is up near 5. ROD is simply not doing enough in the box sure his shots on target percentage is higher but that still means he is averaging 1.5 shots on target a game roughly the same as DWH who is playing as a winger. ill agree that DWH's First touch is not great but absolutely will argue that the NPL is not the place for him to improve, and it is not so much technique as from watching him his technique is reasonably sound (his body positioning is correct, his awareness is correct, it is just softening up the touch to keep it close) The NPL is where players learn that they can get away with heavy touches, look at pretty much all the NPL players that come in to the aleague (king kenny is the worst, but also noticeable with Elvis and kitto and melusonic when they first started playing aleague), all their first touches were horrendous because they dont get punished for it in the NPL, it is even an advantage sometimes at that level because it draws players in to be skinned. when they step up to the a-league they get punished for heavy first touches, because the opposition is better and quicker and will nip in to win the ball. the only way that sort of touch is improved is with game time at this level and DWH is actually improving in that regard. go look at his first start for the roar and then look at the last game of last season, his touch improved out of sight. Most importantly we are not playing well and the results are showing that. the frustration from the fans comes from a the recruits that have come in that are not performing and then not showing any desire to play for BR, when the fans see that they will always call for a home grown player like DWH or Mauk who show desire to play for the black and Orange. I tend to agree ..Mat Simon had the touch of a rapist when he first started at CCM . His touch now is much improved to the point he probably has a good first touch now . I agree that lots of touches when you are a kid does give you a good natural first touch but I also think there are some players who can improve it even as adults (some... not all) .
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different. All good. Things often get confused in on-line forums especially when there’s multiple discussions on the same point. I’m hesitant to comment critically on DWH because he is so popular, and right now he’s being played as a wide striker in a system that doesnt suit him. But he had the same deficiencies last year and they’re not going away ... if Roar hadn’t have already signed him I recon RF would have let him go at the end of last season He definitely would have let dwh go but I think he would have been wrong to do so. He said early on in preseason that he was wrong about dwh. Basically said that he had written him off until he saw him in training first hand and saw his determination, and instinct in front of goal God you guys have really no idea what’s taking place? What's taking place.....please explain what you are getting at....and put some substance in your reply please sir
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It's beginning to Look like that 2 scallies have mugged off Brisbane roar.
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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For those that believe that the Roar's position on the table is primarily down to the quality of the foreigners, can you please explain the following; There are 5 teams that have recruited the "quality" of foreign player that some of you are advocating and somehow these teams with the "better" foreigners find themselves to be on the same number of points, or at best a couple of points better.
Nix +2
WSW +2
Perth +1
Newcastle Equal
Victory Equal (they even boast a frontline of World Cup players)
I think blaming the Brit recruits for the problems at O'Roar is a bit of a copout.
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odds on a aldred and berisha to fight tonight?
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+xodds on a aldred and berisha to fight tonight? Even money. The question is, who wins?
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+xFor those that believe that the Roar's position on the table is primarily down to the quality of the foreigners, can you please explain the following; There are 5 teams that have recruited the "quality" of foreign player that some of you are advocating and somehow these teams with the "better" foreigners find themselves to be on the same number of points, or at best a couple of points better. Nix +2 WSW +2 Perth +1 Newcastle Equal Victory Equal (they even boast a frontline of World Cup players) I think blaming the Brit recruits for the problems at O'Roar is a bit of a copout. You make sense with your deduction. I think what appears to be happening a little is a combination of Brit bashing, Robbie bashing and Roar bashing for whatever reason. Maybe even Liverpool haters as well. Looking at the players in other teams like Victory and Perth I'd be a bit more concerned if I was a fan of those clubs. Nevertheless I'm a fan of the Aleague and football as such and it's obvious SFC are likely to run away from all others. Is that a good thing for the league. I guess we'll see.
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+xI think blaming the Brit recruits for the problems at O'Roar is a bit of a copout. I mean Fowler is the one who came out said the cap was a nightmare, that sounds like a cop out to me. The blame has to go somewhere, which is it? The coach or the players, either way it doesn't look good.
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+x+x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. +x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay It was actually Thomas Broich's Debut goal for BR. and there were 7000 people in attendance. Time plays funny games with memories because the dark days of Miron were actually the roars peak attendance averaging well over 15k (regular season) the slide began with Frank Farina (though the drop in attendance had little to do with on field performances and more to do with the league in general, and suncorp pricing) our record low attendance was actually 2010-11 when ange took the league by storm. the year after that was our second worst year of attendances so on field success has very little to do with the dark days of the empty roar stadiums. +x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. I can usually see what you are saying Waz even when i dont agree with it but i really dont understand some of your point with DWH (though i will agree that his first touch is not great). firstly you are comparing DWH and ROD's stats, that is completely off the mark as, 1 DWH has not been played as a striker he has been played as a winger, and 2 up until the CCM game has only played bit parts. you say that DWH isnt creating chances, where ROD is, that is plain untrue. in DWH's first start he set up ROD's goal, and won the corner that neville scored off (when there was no hope of anything else happening) More worryingly than shot on or off target percentage, ROD, who is playing as our striker is averaging 3.4 shots per 90 minutes, DWH is up near 5. ROD is simply not doing enough in the box sure his shots on target percentage is higher but that still means he is averaging 1.5 shots on target a game roughly the same as DWH who is playing as a winger. ill agree that DWH's First touch is not great but absolutely will argue that the NPL is not the place for him to improve, and it is not so much technique as from watching him his technique is reasonably sound (his body positioning is correct, his awareness is correct, it is just softening up the touch to keep it close) The NPL is where players learn that they can get away with heavy touches, look at pretty much all the NPL players that come in to the aleague (king kenny is the worst, but also noticeable with Elvis and kitto and melusonic when they first started playing aleague), all their first touches were horrendous because they dont get punished for it in the NPL, it is even an advantage sometimes at that level because it draws players in to be skinned. when they step up to the a-league they get punished for heavy first touches, because the opposition is better and quicker and will nip in to win the ball. the only way that sort of touch is improved is with game time at this level and DWH is actually improving in that regard. go look at his first start for the roar and then look at the last game of last season, his touch improved out of sight. Most importantly we are not playing well and the results are showing that. the frustration from the fans comes from a the recruits that have come in that are not performing and then not showing any desire to play for BR, when the fans see that they will always call for a home grown player like DWH or Mauk who show desire to play for the black and Orange. I tend to agree ..Mat Simon had the touch of a rapist when he first started at CCM . His touch now is much improved to the point he probably has a good first touch now . I agree that lots of touches when you are a kid does give you a good natural first touch but I also think there are some players who can improve it even as adults (some... not all) . (In answer to both posters here ^). Introducing ROD in to the DWH has just created a distraction in the debate and it would have been better to have left it out, although I’m assure ROD and DWH are playing the same role in the team - two wide 9’s supposedly with O’Shea pushing through the middle (my eyes tell me DWH is playing right wing though). DWH has two major flaws - his touch and his decision making. The latter can be coachable but it’s a mental/personality thing so it is dependent. The first touch is not easiliy corrected but after years of playing it will improve. In terms of where Fowler needs to improve DWH it’s in what he’s good at - if God didn’t put it in, GOD shouldn’t try ... DWH is fast, competitive, unpredictable, runs all day, and can finish. Improve all of those and play him where they can have most effect - that’s not on the wing or as a “wide 9” but in the Center of the park playing off ROD
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+xFor those that believe that the Roar's position on the table is primarily down to the quality of the foreigners, can you please explain the following; There are 5 teams that have recruited the "quality" of foreign player that some of you are advocating and somehow these teams with the "better" foreigners find themselves to be on the same number of points, or at best a couple of points better. Nix +2 WSW +2 Perth +1 Newcastle Equal Victory Equal (they even boast a frontline of World Cup players) I think blaming the Brit recruits for the problems at O'Roar is a bit of a copout. My perspective: Nix: New coach/largely new squad. Taking their time to get their act together, but seem to have it together now. Think they will continue winning WSW: Think they should be doing much better than they are with the squad they have. Think it's a coaching issue. Perth: For whatever reason, they have had a terrible start to the season. They seem to be coming together a bit more now, and with the quality in their squad should always be dangerous. They have ACL coming up which Poppa will no doubt put a lot of focus on, so I don't think they will challenge for top 2. Newcastle: Similar position to us, so ladder position makes sense. Victory: Think their recruitment hasn't been great, and I think Kurz isn't a coach who can get immediate results, so their position makes sense as well. For us, I wouldn't be so worried if we hadn't looked like the worse team in most of the games we have played. Even this far into the season, the team still don't look like a cohesive unit. That is down to Fowler. I think there is some potential with the squad, but there are certainly players who I think are at their limit and that isn't at the standard to challenge for anything this season (ROD and Gillesphie in particular). Hopefully for next year, Fowler can release a couple of the dud players freshen up the squad (and hopefully he has a bit more perspective on the quality required).
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+x+xFor those that believe that the Roar's position on the table is primarily down to the quality of the foreigners, can you please explain the following; There are 5 teams that have recruited the "quality" of foreign player that some of you are advocating and somehow these teams with the "better" foreigners find themselves to be on the same number of points, or at best a couple of points better. Nix +2 WSW +2 Perth +1 Newcastle Equal Victory Equal (they even boast a frontline of World Cup players) I think blaming the Brit recruits for the problems at O'Roar is a bit of a copout. My perspective: Nix: New coach/largely new squad. Taking their time to get their act together, but seem to have it together now. Think they will continue winning WSW: Think they should be doing much better than they are with the squad they have. Think it's a coaching issue. Perth: For whatever reason, they have had a terrible start to the season. They seem to be coming together a bit more now, and with the quality in their squad should always be dangerous. They have ACL coming up which Poppa will no doubt put a lot of focus on, so I don't think they will challenge for top 2. Newcastle: Similar position to us, so ladder position makes sense. Victory: Think their recruitment hasn't been great, and I think Kurz isn't a coach who can get immediate results, so their position makes sense as well. For us, I wouldn't be so worried if we hadn't looked like the worse team in most of the games we have played. Even this far into the season, the team still don't look like a cohesive unit. That is down to Fowler. I think there is some potential with the squad, but there are certainly players who I think are at their limit and that isn't at the standard to challenge for anything this season (ROD and Gillesphie in particular). Hopefully for next year, Fowler can release a couple of the dud players freshen up the squad (and hopefully he has a bit more perspective on the quality required). I don’t think we have looked the worst team in most games we’ve played. Glory away - no victory - yes first half, no second WSW Away - no Adelaide Away - no City - no Nix Away - yes CCM - no SFC Away - YES i agree with you that they don’t look cohesive, their play can be clunky and not easy on the eye, but for all the guff about visa players this is a team right in the mix. With a third if the season gone its clear something is not right but ud say its more tactics and coaching than quality that’s the difference between Roar and 4th place, and then from 3-1st place it’s lack of quality then
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+x+x+x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. +x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay It was actually Thomas Broich's Debut goal for BR. and there were 7000 people in attendance. Time plays funny games with memories because the dark days of Miron were actually the roars peak attendance averaging well over 15k (regular season) the slide began with Frank Farina (though the drop in attendance had little to do with on field performances and more to do with the league in general, and suncorp pricing) our record low attendance was actually 2010-11 when ange took the league by storm. the year after that was our second worst year of attendances so on field success has very little to do with the dark days of the empty roar stadiums. +x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. I can usually see what you are saying Waz even when i dont agree with it but i really dont understand some of your point with DWH (though i will agree that his first touch is not great). firstly you are comparing DWH and ROD's stats, that is completely off the mark as, 1 DWH has not been played as a striker he has been played as a winger, and 2 up until the CCM game has only played bit parts. you say that DWH isnt creating chances, where ROD is, that is plain untrue. in DWH's first start he set up ROD's goal, and won the corner that neville scored off (when there was no hope of anything else happening) More worryingly than shot on or off target percentage, ROD, who is playing as our striker is averaging 3.4 shots per 90 minutes, DWH is up near 5. ROD is simply not doing enough in the box sure his shots on target percentage is higher but that still means he is averaging 1.5 shots on target a game roughly the same as DWH who is playing as a winger. ill agree that DWH's First touch is not great but absolutely will argue that the NPL is not the place for him to improve, and it is not so much technique as from watching him his technique is reasonably sound (his body positioning is correct, his awareness is correct, it is just softening up the touch to keep it close) The NPL is where players learn that they can get away with heavy touches, look at pretty much all the NPL players that come in to the aleague (king kenny is the worst, but also noticeable with Elvis and kitto and melusonic when they first started playing aleague), all their first touches were horrendous because they dont get punished for it in the NPL, it is even an advantage sometimes at that level because it draws players in to be skinned. when they step up to the a-league they get punished for heavy first touches, because the opposition is better and quicker and will nip in to win the ball. the only way that sort of touch is improved is with game time at this level and DWH is actually improving in that regard. go look at his first start for the roar and then look at the last game of last season, his touch improved out of sight. Most importantly we are not playing well and the results are showing that. the frustration from the fans comes from a the recruits that have come in that are not performing and then not showing any desire to play for BR, when the fans see that they will always call for a home grown player like DWH or Mauk who show desire to play for the black and Orange. I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that 7k. I was there myself and I recall clearly tm an a bit. Think about it it. Wednesday night, a team thats had to been losing for some time. Does 7k sound likely? Where are you sourcing your information from? *recall 5k and a bit It's in the official match report on wiki. 7080. I was also at the game
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNope, one of the coaches jobs is to improve a player ala Stirling at Man city. we’re not talking about improving a player we are talking about putting in some of the basic skills that he should have by the time he was 16. And comparisons with Sterling at Man City? Sterling was signed from Liverpool for £49m making him the most expensive English player ever - they didn’t pay that much so City could sort out his first touch. Sterling has improved immensely due to good coaching by a coach that can coach that's the comparison. Fowler was top European player, you would expect that to rub off with his coaching DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. At the end of the day, if DWH is in Fowler's first team squad, which obviously he is, and the reason is that he doesn't have anyone better at this stage, then it is in Fowler's interest as well as Roar's interest to try to keep DWH improving. Maybe this involves extra work at the end of regular sessions, or something else, but to say it's not Fowler's job to improve the players he is using is wrong. Fowler may not be doing the extra work himself with DWH, but as head coach he can certainly delegate that to others. I am NOT saying that. I am saying thats its not Fowler’s job, or anyone on his coaching staff, to improve the basics which should have been there when he was 16. The set of training drills required to do this is not appropriate for adult players - they would lose match fitness going then for a start. What Fowler can do is not worry about what DWH can’t do and play him to his strengths instead, which would mean pulling him centrally alongside ROD, the original comment suggested “a move” was necessary for DWH because he wasn’t improving - unless this kid starts banging in goals the only move he will get is NPL because no professional club will have the training time to cover the basics. My apologies Waz, I have misinterpreted this post you made. "DWH is missing the basic skills that SAP gives players. It’s not Fowler’s job to improve those. " I have interpreted that as you saying it is not Fowler's job to improve players. I'm sure you can understand how that misinterpretation might happen. I strongly believe that player's can continue to improve basic skills throughout their career. It may not be necessarily done in the way that a junior player does it through the current SAP, but it can still be done. Goalkeepers do it all the time, for example. Outfield players do too, for example heading ability. I don't see first touch as being any different. All good. Things often get confused in on-line forums especially when there’s multiple discussions on the same point. I’m hesitant to comment critically on DWH because he is so popular, and right now he’s being played as a wide striker in a system that doesnt suit him. But he had the same deficiencies last year and they’re not going away ... if Roar hadn’t have already signed him I recon RF would have let him go at the end of last season He definitely would have let dwh go but I think he would have been wrong to do so. He said early on in preseason that he was wrong about dwh. Basically said that he had written him off until he saw him in training first hand and saw his determination, and instinct in front of goal God you guys have really no idea what’s taking place? Well there is this article were god says he was wrong about dwh https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/fowler-i-was-wrong-about-dylan-528473I may be reading between the lines a little but given Robbie made all his signings before pre season started that is a pretty good indication that he would have let dwh go if he was not on contract. Please feel free to actually add something to the discussion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. +x+x+xI agree that ROD needs someone next to him. And the only way I can see that is with 442 or 352 (which I not a fan of particularly) Or maybe 4132 but it appears to me not many actually have stamped their name on a position and I think that's part of the problem. Really, there's only so many times you can shuffle a weak hand of cards, and it makes no difference. I know Waz has this idea that the team is underperforming, but I'm with those who think that this is actually its capability. This is a bottom two side, no question in my view. Fowler has failed on two counts, both important: his recruitment; and failing to get the side playing as more than the sum of its parts - something that Ange did very well in his first title season. I personally think Fowler should be sacked. I don't think he has shown in any aspect of his performance that he has the ability coach and manage at this level. But I think he'll be given this season and next. The problem is that I believe that next season will be more of the same. Just what will be left of Brisbane's support base by then is a real concern. This reminds me far too much of the dark days under Bleiberg, those horrible endless losses when the team could not score to save its life, and turning up to Suncorp became an exercise in perseverance. The days when someone like James Packer, God bless him, could be an A League starting 11 player. I remember how my boys stopped wanting to go to games, and I only did so out of duty. That's where we are again. I think Fowler has got pretty much everything wrong and has no way of fixing it. I was there at Suncorp on a Wednesday night when Ange's side began that unbeaten run. It was a 1-1 draw. Matt Leckie scored for Adelaide. Not sure who for Brisbane. There were just over 5000 people there. That's where we are going under Fowler. He has to go for the good of the club. The owners need to make a statement. Pretty sure it was none other than Matt McKay It was actually Thomas Broich's Debut goal for BR. and there were 7000 people in attendance. Time plays funny games with memories because the dark days of Miron were actually the roars peak attendance averaging well over 15k (regular season) the slide began with Frank Farina (though the drop in attendance had little to do with on field performances and more to do with the league in general, and suncorp pricing) our record low attendance was actually 2010-11 when ange took the league by storm. the year after that was our second worst year of attendances so on field success has very little to do with the dark days of the empty roar stadiums. +x+xHad hi hopes that dwh would make progress under fowler's coaching but alas a. Move is required. DWH is not A League standard, at least in the context of his all round game and a move isn’t going to fix that not that other A-League clubs would be lining up to sign him. His first touch is a shocker, he lacks vision, his decision making (pass or shoot?) is non-existent. These are all serious flaws which, at this level, Fowler shouldn’t have to be trying to improve and they’ll be slow to improve anyway. On the plus side DWH has pace, energy, enthusiasm and he’s cocky/confident. These are really good traits that compensate for many of the flaws But on balance the kids got to be scoring to make him worth sticking with; vs Mariners he had 9 shots (or 7 depending on who’s stats we’re believing) only getting two on target for no goals (If ROD had done that Fans would be all over him) but if DWH can turn that in to a brace he’s worth the effort. Stats wise, typically half of RODs shots are on target, and half of his on target shots are going in. And he’s not even in-form but his long term record is a goal every two HAL games. For DWH it’s about a third on target with none in this season going in (although it’s a bit unfair to make direct comparisons because DWH has been a bit player so far). But if a strikers not scoring them he’s better be making them, and DWH is not doing either right now .... Western Utd on Friday would be a great time to change that. The kid is 22 this week. It really is time for him to start delivering on his potential. He’s kinda been living off that NPL season for a bit but he’s in the HAL now and needs to deliver there too - there’s no blaming Fowler/coaches it’s uo to him to use his game time wisely If he was off contract there there wouldn’t be a long kind of teams looking to sign him. Probably Mariners and Jets. And if you’re Adelaide would you prefer Tourre or DWH? Mourotovic (spelling?) in the youth team is a much better all-round prospect imo sadly he seems to lack those qualities (confidence, self belief, cockiness) that’s got DWH this far so DWH has the advantage - but he needs to use it while he has the chance. That’s in his shoulders not Fowler’s. I can usually see what you are saying Waz even when i dont agree with it but i really dont understand some of your point with DWH (though i will agree that his first touch is not great). firstly you are comparing DWH and ROD's stats, that is completely off the mark as, 1 DWH has not been played as a striker he has been played as a winger, and 2 up until the CCM game has only played bit parts. you say that DWH isnt creating chances, where ROD is, that is plain untrue. in DWH's first start he set up ROD's goal, and won the corner that neville scored off (when there was no hope of anything else happening) More worryingly than shot on or off target percentage, ROD, who is playing as our striker is averaging 3.4 shots per 90 minutes, DWH is up near 5. ROD is simply not doing enough in the box sure his shots on target percentage is higher but that still means he is averaging 1.5 shots on target a game roughly the same as DWH who is playing as a winger. ill agree that DWH's First touch is not great but absolutely will argue that the NPL is not the place for him to improve, and it is not so much technique as from watching him his technique is reasonably sound (his body positioning is correct, his awareness is correct, it is just softening up the touch to keep it close) The NPL is where players learn that they can get away with heavy touches, look at pretty much all the NPL players that come in to the aleague (king kenny is the worst, but also noticeable with Elvis and kitto and melusonic when they first started playing aleague), all their first touches were horrendous because they dont get punished for it in the NPL, it is even an advantage sometimes at that level because it draws players in to be skinned. when they step up to the a-league they get punished for heavy first touches, because the opposition is better and quicker and will nip in to win the ball. the only way that sort of touch is improved is with game time at this level and DWH is actually improving in that regard. go look at his first start for the roar and then look at the last game of last season, his touch improved out of sight. Most importantly we are not playing well and the results are showing that. the frustration from the fans comes from a the recruits that have come in that are not performing and then not showing any desire to play for BR, when the fans see that they will always call for a home grown player like DWH or Mauk who show desire to play for the black and Orange. I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that 7k. I was there myself and I recall clearly tm an a bit. Think about it it. Wednesday night, a team thats had to been losing for some time. Does 7k sound likely? Where are you sourcing your information from? *recall 5k and a bit It's in the official match report on wiki. 7080. I was also at the game I'll also say that before that they were actually playing pretty well. Hardly far days 1 loss in the first 6 rounds and flying high. The season before was a low point on field but the season before that was our best results we had had
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How's weather in Brisbane. Heavy rain around nth sunny coast area in pats.
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+xHow's weather in Brisbane. Heavy rain around nth sunny coast area in pats. All good. Looks like it’s all passing well north and south of the city
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+x+xHow's weather in Brisbane. Heavy rain around nth sunny coast area in pats. All good. Looks like it’s all passing well north and south of the city Cheers. !
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Do the Roar get more publicity than the Bullets? I read somewhere they had a sell out last week.
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Hey Robbie.....can you afford Ninkovic ?
Not getting his contract sorted at Sydney yet?
we could do with a marquee?
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