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2 talking points through all the media i have read, how will the MCG pitch play? Because if it is a total road, and gets a negative rating, no MCG test next year, it will be on icc susspension.
This is a myth. That rule was brought in after the MCG received its "poor" rating. So they have a clean slate at the moment. A "poor" rating now would only give them 3 points (5 points needed to be suspended for 12 months). If it is a slow and lacklustre "nothing" wicket as previously it will probably help the kiwi batsmen more than ours. Our batsmen (and our bowlers) prefer pacey, bouncy wickets.
And how will Australia combat the short balls of Wagner and co. A 300 run loss seems to indicate this is way overblown as usual. Never really troubled Smith, he just hit them straight off the middle of the bat to the field. Far faster and better bowlers have tried. I might work one day, probably has to if you try it enough, but the odds are against the bowler here. Snagged a few in the second innings when the match was already lost and Aus were only batting to time their declaration. Standard MO for Wagner. Southee was far better all match (including his short ball). It's a bit humorous the kiwis claiming Smith's 43 was a failure, when they lost a whole 19 of their 20 wickets for lesser score lol. None of them were simply filling in time either, they really needed runs.
If Aus hadn't been a bowler short they probably would have declared after tea on day 3 anyway.
For team selection, NZ is in a mess, and will drop Raval and bring in wicket keeper Blundell to open.
Can't help thinking that Raval scored as many runs as Santner, yet at least took a wicket, was more economical and bowled far better. They might have been better moving Raval down the order in place of him. Unless he (Santner) was really unusually off his game and is much better than that performance. Will wait and see how he goes. You pretty much said what I was going to fs. So will leave it there. Just one thing Paddles. Wagner has a good short ball tactic.. works ok on the bouncier decks.. but his pace is going to be negated somewhat on the slower,lower MCG deck. Our blokes.. all of them.. can test the speed gun at 145+.. unlike your pop gun attack. So think twice about starting a bouncer war it may get brutal and the Black Caps will come our more bruised than we will. You too have a Happy Christmas. Uhmmm, Wagner started the bouncer war with Australia in 2015/16. It's pretty much all out there. NZ isn't thinking twice. It's going to happen. Yes - the Australian fast bowlers are definitely faster than NZ's. By some margin. Wagner averages 22.64 vs Australia, and probably more or less the same vs Smith (I am unable to get this stat on any website, but I am sure it will be published soon enough). Now you can call the Kiwi attack "popgun", it is. It is only good in swinging conditions. In swinging conditions, Boult is the best in the world. Much better than Anderson. Proven time and time again. But we need that swing, else we're pop gun, like Anderson, its true. If its swining, even with a Kookaburra, Boult and Southee will roll England for well under 100. Its just how it is, our boys swing very very well. They could teach your pace boys a thing or two about swing. But Wagner's bouncers - as slow as they are - are getting your batsmen out cheaply. On flatties. As much as you hate to admit it. Now fair is fair, you have won both tests that Wagner has excelled in, with solid bowling and great batting. You really have. But Wagner in both tests never went to it first or second spell. He waited to the third spell. I think that's too late. Now Perth was slow. Chch was faster iirc. Will the MCG not bounce as high? Wagner doesn't care. He has bowled bouncers on non bouncing pitches all over NZ. He doesn't need bounce. Which you fail to understand. His friend is the lack of bounce and the skid.... Think about it. He wants them hip to shoulder, not at the head. He isnt bowling real bouncers. Just short stuff... And he is short and skiddy. And the less it grips, and the more it skids, the quicker he comes on from his slow pace at a short height. Basic physics. But 145 km/h bouncers - from big tall men, our guys will just duck them. Back of a legnth to KW and Taylor, that ended Mitch J's entire test career at Perth. Of all places. The bouncer war has already started. Wagner is 2-0 and Aus is 2-0 over NZ int he series score, but Wagner is winning the personal contest, he cannot be blamed for his teammates letting him down. He did his job. :) As much as you wanna eulogize Wagner.. the truth of the matter is we gifted him most of his wickets in Perth. The bloke is military medium yet we made him look like a rampaging young Dennis Lillee.. Does he have some kinda spell over Australia. I say if he keeps up this short pitch leg side stuff simply start playing him like it is a T20 rather than holding your ground and gifting him a wicket with a mistimed pull shot. That will put him off his game if anything will. He may then have to actually pitch up one. As much as you dont respect Wagner, and think he was gifted wickets, the truth of the matter is he has done this to every team. On low NZ pitches, to foreign pitches in SA far more bouncy also. He is military medium. And he has success doing it. Against all comers. Especially Australia. He's 2/2 against you guys now, home and away. He's actually due a fail this test. And at 2/3 - should still go with at Sydney. He hasn't got up to #3 bowler in the test rankings with pace, seam or swing. He is 5'8 - he aint getting bounce off a length, he too short. His ball's skid. Perfect cannon fodder for a batsman. But these skiddy bouncers. It's no fluke. Aus, SA, England, SL, Pak, WI, you name it, he has done it at some point since first doing it to Aus in 2015/16 out of nowhere, with the match slipping away - he just started bowling bouncers. Now I don't get what your counter plan is, "play him like its t20" - you will need to epxlain this to me. How would you play him bowling a short ball in t20 if not a pull shot? The disrespect thrown at Wagner and his career achievements by Aussie posters in this forum is unfortunate. From "tail end wickets" to "gifted wickets". But he has proportionately singificantly less tail end wickets than a certain ATG Aus bowler, and thus of course significantly more top 7 wickets. And he has been doing this since 2016. Regularly. Repeatedly. Globally. Gifted? Or earned? When is it no longer luck? And a plan? And a skill? He is not a new ball bowler. He doing more than alright. The bouncers have revolutionized his career. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/233713.html?class=1;spanmin1=01+Jan+2016;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowlingOnly SL, only SL, have had the patience to see him off. Pak, took the bait. WI, took the bait. SA, took the bait. Eng, took the bait. Aus, took the bait. India, he didn't do it over there - but probably should have. I think he will think about it next time, should there be one. They're here this summer. I bet he baits them. Never said I disrespected him. Said he has set out a tactic of bowling short stuff at his pace and it has worked for him. I will add it is a clever tactic. It is up to our brains trust to counteract that tactic by thinking outside the box. Playing him like a white ball game may be the way to go. Step inside his leg theory deliveries.. and smote him. We have the batsmen to do that. . much like Stokes did. Those Ashes Aussie quicks were 10ks faster than Wagner. and we at have least 3 bats that are better than Stokes. Your plan is to play shots? That is exactly what he wants. Leg slip, fine leg, square leg, short square, mid wicket, prolly a short leg too, tbh, the field is set - and legal. You have to hit 6's. To beat the boundary fielders. Playing shots to those balls with that field, is like falling straight into Wagner's plan I would have thought. I think going Steve Waugh and putting the pull and hook away is a wiser option. Yes, your Aussie quicks are taller and faster, and you know what, outside Cummins, not at as successful despite their extra height and pace. ;) Wagner is a revelation for the short medium pace seamer who has no swing... nor pace... nor height... nor seam position... ;) He has nothing going for him bar fitness and determination... and he is #3 in the world right now... and climbing... And he has taken down all the best... Even India in NZ... Before his bouncer stuff... https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11825/scorecard/667651/new-zealand-vs-india-1st-test-india-tour-of-new-zealand-2013-14*this is an edit, I was just doing some research and Wagner credits SL 2015/16 as the first time he unleashed the bouncers. That is one test before the Australian one for him in his career. While technically true, that was a rare uneven bounce surface, and both he - then Chameera took adcantage of it. The difference is, when Wagner did it, the field was not set for it. The pitch was just conducive for it. So he did it, regardless of his field. Aus 2015/16 was the first time - he didnt care about the pitch, and just set ht efield and did it. But I dont even think it was all Wagner... check out the SR's only, of these two ODI bowlers in ODI... They are horrible bowlers, far below Wagner's skill level, but the short rubbish, from a left armer, for NZ - started with these guys, before Mitch J 2013/14... :P http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/319439.htmlhttp://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/content/player/277662.htmlThey just bowled a lot of short stuff. In a version with further fielding restrictions. But that is where I originate Wagner doing it for Captain McCullum later. Who loved Mitch Mc doing it in ODI. The more pertinent question for mine is, do left arm quicks have an advantage here with the short stuff to right hand batsmen...
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+x+xThese days I don't have much times for sports forums, bu ti had a quick look at Whirlpool's cricket forum yesterday. Some of the comments frorn those guys are as though they are in cuckoo land! The majority just don't understand how a sports team operates. There are also a lot of cynical types. I though the FTBL Forum had deteriorated with more cynics and negative posters in recent times, but maybe it is the current nature of sporting forums? There is even a separate thread for "Pet hates At Gyms.' There is also a Weighlifting Thread, which isn't too bad. It amazes how many don't want to talk to other people at gyms, but go online to complain about it! On Whirlpool Cricket Forum apart from one poster who posts regularly here and one other, they all think Paine should not be Test captain and dropped from the team! From a greater insight into another sport, many of the guys on Whirlpool have no idea about team cohesion, emotional maturity in leadership, specific game plan tactics, morale and collaborative leadership. Notwithstanding, some pundits (former Test cricketers) are currently mooting Paine as top keeper in world cricket! They also seem to have no idea a captain is carrying out coaching match plans, based on analysts scrutinising every available bits of data on where some teams, and individuals, are strong or weak. Moreover, Australia has essentially just won three series in a row - and are well placed to win a fourth against the Kiwis, with Paine as captain. It is like sheep following sheep. I have seen this phenomenon in other sports. A few who are wrong convince many others, so that a large group of fans with little insight in a sport, believe a professional coach is wrong in decisions they've made. This is because a majority of fans with no knowledge whatsoever about professional coaching in that particular sport, share the same view. Of course I would not question the judgement of a professional coach like Langer, but I'd like him to provide more info as to why the Marsh bothers have had so many chances, and, why Siddle is constantly mooted as a Test bowler with the Kookaburra in Aus? I think Baggers would agree, but when Victoria played Tas in Hobart in a recent Shield game, Siddle was outperformed by teammates Tremain and probably Boland, with Patto not selected. Also, Bird, Pyecroft and Meredith outbowled him from Tas. That is about the best comment you have posted DC. Good stuff. Now repost it on WP.. and it may wake up some of the drongos over there. Done! I think this will stir up a hornet's nest on Whirlpool!
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+x+x+xThese days I don't have much times for sports forums, bu ti had a quick look at Whirlpool's cricket forum yesterday. Some of the comments frorn those guys are as though they are in cuckoo land! The majority just don't understand how a sports team operates. There are also a lot of cynical types. I though the FTBL Forum had deteriorated with more cynics and negative posters in recent times, but maybe it is the current nature of sporting forums? There is even a separate thread for "Pet hates At Gyms.' There is also a Weighlifting Thread, which isn't too bad. It amazes how many don't want to talk to other people at gyms, but go online to complain about it! On Whirlpool Cricket Forum apart from one poster who posts regularly here and one other, they all think Paine should not be Test captain and dropped from the team! From a greater insight into another sport, many of the guys on Whirlpool have no idea about team cohesion, emotional maturity in leadership, specific game plan tactics, morale and collaborative leadership. Notwithstanding, some pundits (former Test cricketers) are currently mooting Paine as top keeper in world cricket! They also seem to have no idea a captain is carrying out coaching match plans, based on analysts scrutinising every available bits of data on where some teams, and individuals, are strong or weak. Moreover, Australia has essentially just won three series in a row - and are well placed to win a fourth against the Kiwis, with Paine as captain. It is like sheep following sheep. I have seen this phenomenon in other sports. A few who are wrong convince many others, so that a large group of fans with little insight in a sport, believe a professional coach is wrong in decisions they've made. This is because a majority of fans with no knowledge whatsoever about professional coaching in that particular sport, share the same view. Of course I would not question the judgement of a professional coach like Langer, but I'd like him to provide more info as to why the Marsh bothers have had so many chances, and, why Siddle is constantly mooted as a Test bowler with the Kookaburra in Aus? I think Baggers would agree, but when Victoria played Tas in Hobart in a recent Shield game, Siddle was outperformed by teammates Tremain and probably Boland, with Patto not selected. Also, Bird, Pyecroft and Meredith outbowled him from Tas. That is about the best comment you have posted DC. Good stuff. Now repost it on WP.. and it may wake up some of the drongos over there. Done! I think this will stir up a hornet's nest on Whirlpool! It sure did mate. Check out the vitriol from some.
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I'm super looking forward to patto bowling tomorrow even on a lifeless pitch!
Nervous to look at the hornets nest haha
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+x+x+x+xThese days I don't have much times for sports forums, bu ti had a quick look at Whirlpool's cricket forum yesterday. Some of the comments frorn those guys are as though they are in cuckoo land! The majority just don't understand how a sports team operates. There are also a lot of cynical types. I though the FTBL Forum had deteriorated with more cynics and negative posters in recent times, but maybe it is the current nature of sporting forums? There is even a separate thread for "Pet hates At Gyms.' There is also a Weighlifting Thread, which isn't too bad. It amazes how many don't want to talk to other people at gyms, but go online to complain about it! On Whirlpool Cricket Forum apart from one poster who posts regularly here and one other, they all think Paine should not be Test captain and dropped from the team! From a greater insight into another sport, many of the guys on Whirlpool have no idea about team cohesion, emotional maturity in leadership, specific game plan tactics, morale and collaborative leadership. Notwithstanding, some pundits (former Test cricketers) are currently mooting Paine as top keeper in world cricket! They also seem to have no idea a captain is carrying out coaching match plans, based on analysts scrutinising every available bits of data on where some teams, and individuals, are strong or weak. Moreover, Australia has essentially just won three series in a row - and are well placed to win a fourth against the Kiwis, with Paine as captain. It is like sheep following sheep. I have seen this phenomenon in other sports. A few who are wrong convince many others, so that a large group of fans with little insight in a sport, believe a professional coach is wrong in decisions they've made. This is because a majority of fans with no knowledge whatsoever about professional coaching in that particular sport, share the same view. Of course I would not question the judgement of a professional coach like Langer, but I'd like him to provide more info as to why the Marsh bothers have had so many chances, and, why Siddle is constantly mooted as a Test bowler with the Kookaburra in Aus? I think Baggers would agree, but when Victoria played Tas in Hobart in a recent Shield game, Siddle was outperformed by teammates Tremain and probably Boland, with Patto not selected. Also, Bird, Pyecroft and Meredith outbowled him from Tas. That is about the best comment you have posted DC. Good stuff. Now repost it on WP.. and it may wake up some of the drongos over there. Done! I think this will stir up a hornet's nest on Whirlpool! It sure did mate. Check out the vitriol from some. I expect nothing less on Whirlpool Cricket Forum. Conversely, on Whirlpool Weight Training Forum, apart from people being fairly impersonal, they are often quite knowledgeable. They nearly always use articles or videos from supposed experts to reinforce opinions. The only issue I have is that some people think Exercise Physiologists don't know as much as they do. It is the same on FTBL Forum, as Whirlpool Cricket Forum - but not to that extent. We might not have many who post on this IS cricket forum, but of those who do, we have a lot of comparative cricket knowledge. On IS Cricket Forum we have two quite high level rep underage players, one former cricket coach, one current First Grade player, one rep coach ( he has been banned though), and others who've played quite a bit of club cricket in school teams and suburban cricket associations. I'm only too keen to learn from the aforementioned, and, would never argue over tactics and technical analysis, well above my head in cricket. I really appreciate the aforementioned's input. Baggers didn't meet him , because he was sick, but I often talk to a former Tasmanian Vice Captain and state selector, who really knows a lot. I sometimes advance his insights on here. Yet in some cricket and football forums, some arrogant morons seem to think they know more than professional coaches, or trained coaches! I just don't get it? In football when a player is excoriated by some group think forum mentality, once I delineate about 10 -14 specific performance criteria to support why a coach sees qualities in a player, using about 11 criteria they don't consider, they get annoyed! Fans often seek scapegoats and heroes. I don't understand it?
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+xI'm super looking forward to patto bowling tomorrow even on a lifeless pitch! Nervous to look at the hornets nest haha Merry Xmas, Grazor. I'm hoping Australia plays Neser at 7. Neser has been around the team so long - give him a go I say. I've been impressed with him every time I've seen him bowl at Bellerive too. He has deserved it - although I'm not sure how his current batting stacks up? He has bowled well enough to be the 4th pace bowling all rounder to give us that all important 5 person attack on a flat deck. The theory is that Starc and Pattinson can be erratic, unlike the metronomic Lyon, Hazlewood and Cummins. I think Neser can bowl line and length for sustained periods. Although having said that, Lyon's career records show he goes for 3 runs an over, whereas Warne went for circa 2.5 per over.
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+xNervous to look at the hornets nest haha I've delivered a sermon like you've seen me do on FTBL Forum - but not here! A few cowards are coming out of the closet, now I'm supporting Baggers. Most of Whirlpool Forum thinks Paine should be dropped - but no specific cricket performance criteria has been used!
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I highly rate James Pattinson, and his fast outswinger. Always have. His only issues are 1 injury, 2 getting the right line for that putswinger.
He is a huge talent, and someone I rate very very very highly.
But if Neser plays (now I know and admit to knowing stuff all about him) - Aus has a competent tail, but a long tail starting at 6. With Paine, then Neser, then Starc, then Cummins, Then Patto -
Now I know all these guys are good enough to score 50's. But it does seem like a long tail nevertheless.
But if Warner, Labu or Smith fire, that won't matter.
I will spend this test focused on Labu, and working out what makes him so excellent right now...
I think he is the most interesting thing in World Cricket right now... How?! How has he gone from an ordinary FC domestic cricketer, to a fire breathing test cricketer taking down Eng, NZ and Pak with ease. Admittedly not India or Safrica, but its huuuuuuge runs, huuuuuuuge runs.
A guy who I respect, often disagree with, but do respect, on another forum reckons Labu is the best batsman in the world right now. Now I watch a lot of Kohli, Smith, KW etc, but he reckons its Labu. So I will be fixated on him,
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But if Neser plays (now I know and admit to knowing stuff all about him) - Aus has a competent tail, but a long tail starting at 6. With Paine, then Neser, then Starc, then Cummins, Then Patto -
Now I know all these guys are good enough to score 50's. But it does seem like a long tail nevertheless.
Patto, Starc and Cummins make for a far stronger 8, 9 and 10 batters than most teams. This compensates for a supposedly weak 6 and 7. Also, theoretically a five person attack should bowl out a team for a lower total than a 4 person attack. Patto, Starc and Cummins will be fresher from having Neser bowl plenty of overs. I read you haven't seen Neser, Paddles. Neser is a fast medium bowler who swings and seems a new ball. He has made quite a few recent runs, but I haven't seen him bat, whilst I've often watched him bowl live on a number of occasions .
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But if Neser plays (now I know and admit to knowing stuff all about him) - Aus has a competent tail, but a long tail starting at 6. With Paine, then Neser, then Starc, then Cummins, Then Patto -
Now I know all these guys are good enough to score 50's. But it does seem like a long tail nevertheless.
Patto, Starc and Cummins make for a far stronger 8, 9 and 10 batters than most teams. This compensates for a supposedly weak 6 and 7. Also, theoretically a five person attack should bowl out a team for a lower total than a 4 person attack. Patto, Starc and Cummins will be fresher from having Neser bowl plenty of overs. I read you haven't seen Neser, Paddles. Neser is a fast medium bowler who swings and seems a new ball. He has made quite a few recent runs, but I haven't seen him bat, whilst I've often watched him bowl live on a number of occasions . Hey Dec, thanks., Yeah - I know what Neser is in brackets. I just havnt seen him in action that I recall. I am sure I would have seen some Big Bash stuff with him, bat or ball, but he isn't in my mental database for anything. To put that in perspective, someone like Cuttings hitting 6's to long on is from 2014 or Arafat's slower balls is in my memory bank. They were awesome. Yes, a long tail can counter a weak batting order up top, as England has shown in SL and vs India last year, it can also be caught with noone doing their job like England found out when they LOST (yes LOST) to WI this year. Its a gamble. It really is. A stronger tail is still a tail. A batting order that doesn't quit, doesn't quit. I am open minded here and think it revolves around individual talent and pitch conditions more than anything else. I am a horses for courses person, always. Pretty sure when the batting tails were analysed recently by cricinfo, WI came out on top due to Holder and Dowrich.... tbh.... Holder really is a super cricket talent. At 28 he has not peaked yet, and he is 33 with bat, and 26 with ball... Outstanding. 49 with the bat and 17 with the ball this year. The ICC is having a laugh if he is not in the test team of the year again.
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gosh what is labu doing?
let him waste the new ball a foot outside off
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burns showed poor batting taking a big backlift and step towards off to the swinging ball
but even if he batted well he's probably out
2 degrees swing and 2 degrees seem on the money is going to get you out more times than not
Warner negotiating the swing well here
the key is rotating the strike in conditions like this
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singles are worth more than 4s in these conditions
it takes all the sting out of the bowler
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nice off drive for four
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was just about to compliment warner on the technique and temperament he has shown early
then a leading edge followed by a play and miss driving on the up
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better, left a wide one then full face of the bat for the ball on the stumps
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better from labu
he's leaving the wide ones
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labu handled that over pretty well a maiden in the end
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i reckon that was 5 degrees seem!
Labu survives though. Can he get a quick single
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rank half volley gets blocked
good mentality though. It won't be this hard for too long
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grazorblade
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that ball that seemed about 5 degrees was the first ball I've seen with perfect seem position
I actually think NZ are wasting the conditions slightly here. Conditions are so tough it may not matter but only one down so far...
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nice off drive from warner striaght down the ground for 3
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gee seems back a few degrees there for an lbw shout
fortunately a foot over the stumps
swing has stopped but seem hasn't
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no swing and lots of seem you should throw your hands at any half volley or short pitch ball to try and age the ball a bit
anything on a length you just hope to survive and leave as often as you can
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just as I say that labu slashes a square cut for 4
well played
when there is no swing and lots of seem its all about large foot movement and you want to pick the length early. You want a big difference between your step forward and your step back.
Slats is someone who comes to mind who was good at that
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grazorblade
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against swing but little swing you want to play the ball late with soft hands and an economy of movement
if it swings and seems I guess you just say a few prayers and hope to survive :D
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10 overs down
NZ wasting the conditions with a lot of wide balls, very few balls with good seem position
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labu still showing immense respect for the conditions
warner has freed his arms a bit but labu blocks a half volley
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seem up delivery and there is still a fair bit of swing there if the seem is unscrambled
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