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+xIf u had to guess you'd say Bakries instructions. So can you blame RF 100% for that. Dont think so really. Its their cash not RF's. defending robbies shit recruiting again, im shocked :laugh:
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+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany.
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+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him.
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+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. Agree. You should watch 'Tom Meets Zizou' if you haven't already.
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Devon7
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+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. Agree. You should watch 'Tom Meets Zizou' if you haven't already. Oh and where stuck with him. Congratulations to us all.
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+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him. What overseas connection do you have?
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+x+xYou have to wonder what is happening when our supposed star play of last year ,Mauk,is now playing in the NYL . A player who has played and won a Grand Final is there too.(Mells) He still hasnt got one game. A player who stormed onto the scene scoring goals last season and has always looked good playing out of position this year is playing NYL. Are these the guys who are at fault? All the visa players are playing still,so you can only assume the visa players are doing great and its Mauk and DWH who are the reason we are struggling. Then we have the issue of why Macca is coming.He is on his last legs and will be retired pretty soon.Sometimes age catches up and his form at WU shows it.Just as it has for Meier at WSW. IF RF thinks he will get 90mins per game out of Macca's slow stubby legs in summer ,he has been in the sun too long. I fear we will end up with our best young Aussie players being dispatched for pensioners and this motley crew of very average Visa players. It has been proven time and time again that quality is so important when it comes to foreign recruiting.If only clubs could get their brains around the concept. I would rather less imports if it meant they were better quality. Maybe make a high minimum spend on Visa players to filter out the rubbish that just blocks our youth. Mauk is frustrating. A wasted talent. Definitely should've kicked on after playing a huge role in our title-winning season but like Kamau has regressed badly. For me his biggest problem is his attitude (and going to the wrong clubs - playing under Joyce, Aloisi and RF isn't going to unlock his potential). Mells I never rated (along with the overwhelming majority of AU fans) but as 90 Minutes said, Amor rated him pretty highly so I think there's potential and he's still young. I'm also a fan over quality over quantity when it comes to imports. BR have used up foreign spots in positions that local players would've done a better job. Could easily just have signed one top quality foreign striker and a couple of midfielders, and filled the rest of the team with locals. Agree with most of this. In fairness to Mauk though, he struggled with injury last season and has been played out of position this season.
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Am I the only person who thinks Devon7 may be a disgruntled player or staff member?
Come to think of it, there's a current Roar player who was born in Devon, maybe that might be a hint.
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+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. I didn’t think the question was who had a better pedigree than Broich though?
Berisha certainly didn’t have a better pedigree than Broich but he was a bloody good signing.
Corona > Eric I would say (forgot about him).
I’m not sure if there’s a site somewhere that lists our visa players over the years but generally we seem to have had a handful of really good ones (Broich, Berisha, Corona), then a few good but not great ones, and then the majority who have been below average to absolute shockers.
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Devon7
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+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him. What overseas connection do you have? Why have you a player who needs a trail?
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Devon7
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him. What overseas connection do you have? Why have you a player who needs a trail? Pardon the error in spelling Trial
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+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. I didn’t think the question was who had a better pedigree than Broich though?
Berisha certainly didn’t have a better pedigree than Broich but he was a bloody good signing.
Corona > Eric I would say (forgot about him).
I’m not sure if there’s a site somewhere that lists our visa players over the years but generally we seem to have had a handful of really good ones (Broich, Berisha, Corona), then a few good but not great ones, and then the majority who have been below average to absolute shockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brisbane_Roar_FC_playersEach clyb has a wiki page which lists every player to have played for the club and there's a wiki page that lists every visa player to have ever played in the league. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_A-League_players
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Waz
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him. What overseas connection do you have? Why have you a player who needs a trail? No, only domestic U18’s lol - are you an agent then? but it was a sweeping statement on your connections that’s all. I’m not convinced by Fowler but I’d say two things (a) final judgement needs to wait a while - especially when he’s only two wins off top 3 and (b) we’re probably stuck with him for next season as well - unless the second half of the season is a total clusterfuck he’ll probably get another go around.
And of the players: there’s few I see week to week that look like they’re going balls out in games - that’s not a coaching problem that’s a player thing. Eric was a good example - always looked like he gave a damn compared to the majority who seemed to worry more about their next contract and not the three points on offer.
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Should Robbie go (either by resignation or sacking) who should they go after? Can't think of any Australian candidates readily available. Maybe gamble on Arthur Pappas? Unlikely imo - Aloisi and Fowler were both gambles and aren't paying off. I doubt Roar management want to take another gam ble. Ufuk Talay has shown what he co uld with the Nix but he's not coming immeadiately. Should they go for someone with some success in the A-League? So only name I can think of Joseph Gombau. But shown at WSW, he'll need the rest of this season to rebuild and potentially next season as well but he has shown to be able to recruit quality imports, improve underperforming player and play attractive football but defensively Gombau's team have been suspect.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. I didn’t think the question was who had a better pedigree than Broich though?
Berisha certainly didn’t have a better pedigree than Broich but he was a bloody good signing.
Corona > Eric I would say (forgot about him).
I’m not sure if there’s a site somewhere that lists our visa players over the years but generally we seem to have had a handful of really good ones (Broich, Berisha, Corona), then a few good but not great ones, and then the majority who have been below average to absolute shockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brisbane_Roar_FC_playersEach clyb has a wiki page which lists every player to have played for the club and there's a wiki page that lists every visa player to have ever played in the league. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_A-League_players Thanks.
So from that site, my best visa players:
Broich
Berisha. Corona Bautheac
then in no particular order:
Miller. Van Dijick
Solorzano (season one)
Ricky.
Honestly. It’s not an impressive list over 15 years.
Our best players have been Aussies typically supported by visa players.
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+xAm I the only person who thinks Devon7 may be a disgruntled player or staff member? Come to think of it, there's a current Roar player who was born in Devon, maybe that might be a hint. I'll answer you first so you can't be a normal person commenting on here. I'm a fan of football. You obviously are something else. I voiced an opinion. I don't look to offend.
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+xShould Robbie go (either by resignation or sacking) who should they go after? Can't think of any Australian candidates readily available. Maybe gamble on Arthur Pappas? Unlikely imo - Aloisi and Fowler were both gambles and aren't paying off. I doubt Roar management want to take another gam ble. Ufuk Talay has shown what he co uld with the Nix but he's not coming immeadiately. Should they go for someone with some success in the A-League? So only name I can think of Joseph Gombau. But shown at WSW, he'll need the rest of this season to rebuild and potentially next season as well but he has shown to be able to recruit quality imports, improve underperforming player and play attractive football but defensively Gombau's team have been suspect. He’s already working at Roar - Warren Moon.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him. What overseas connection do you have? Why have you a player who needs a trail? No, only domestic U18’s lol - are you an agent then? but it was a sweeping statement on your connections that’s all. I’m not convinced by Fowler but I’d say two things (a) final judgement needs to wait a while - especially when he’s only two wins off top 3 and (b) we’re probably stuck with him for next season as well - unless the second half of the season is a total clusterfuck he’ll probably get another go around.
And of the players: there’s few I see week to week that look like they’re going balls out in games - that’s not a coaching problem that’s a player thing. Eric was a good example - always looked like he gave a damn compared to the majority who seemed to worry more about their next contract and not the three points on offer. No I'm not an Agent but yes , I work for a scouting group. In regards to Fowler he will stay I guarantee that. To pay him out is out of the question. You now have the impending court action from a previous manager. Eric was a gifted player without the soldiers around him. Fowler will not bring anyone in with a bigger reputation than himself. In my humble opinion the players are doubtful of him. And I'm talking about the visa players.
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+x+xAm I the only person who thinks Devon7 may be a disgruntled player or staff member? Come to think of it, there's a current Roar player who was born in Devon, maybe that might be a hint. I'll answer you first so you can't be a normal person commenting on here. I'm a fan of football. You obviously are something else. I voiced an opinion. I don't look to offend. I'm sorry what?? Not a normal person? That is offensive. I am a normal football fan like everyone else. I just think it seems a bit suss that a new account starts posting information that the general public wouldn't know such as saying Fowler has an ego an attitude problem and then starts speaking about having overseas connections. Then there's other new accounts that have claimed other stuff the general public wouldn't know such as Fowler supposedly not talking to the Australian players, TD not trusted etc. Stuff like that rarely if ever gets posted on here. For those who read the forum regularly, it's all very bizarre.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him. What overseas connection do you have? Why have you a player who needs a trail? No, only domestic U18’s lol - are you an agent then? but it was a sweeping statement on your connections that’s all. I’m not convinced by Fowler but I’d say two things (a) final judgement needs to wait a while - especially when he’s only two wins off top 3 and (b) we’re probably stuck with him for next season as well - unless the second half of the season is a total clusterfuck he’ll probably get another go around.
And of the players: there’s few I see week to week that look like they’re going balls out in games - that’s not a coaching problem that’s a player thing. Eric was a good example - always looked like he gave a damn compared to the majority who seemed to worry more about their next contract and not the three points on offer. No I'm not an Agent but yes , I work for a scouting group. In regards to Fowler he will stay I guarantee that. To pay him out is out of the question. You now have the impending court action from a previous manager. Eric was a gifted player without the soldiers around him. Fowler will not bring anyone in with a bigger reputation than himself. In my humble opinion the players are doubtful of him. And I'm talking about the visa players. The court action from a previous manager is not an issue, it’ll go the way the lawyers drive it. Today’s problems stem from that time but if you follow his coaching career following Roar it has a similar feel. And if you’re in a scouting group you should have heard the stories from that time from ex-players that we’re there - it wasn’t pretty by the sounds of things.
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+x+x+xAm I the only person who thinks Devon7 may be a disgruntled player or staff member? Come to think of it, there's a current Roar player who was born in Devon, maybe that might be a hint. I'll answer you first so you can't be a normal person commenting on here. I'm a fan of football. You obviously are something else. I voiced an opinion. I don't look to offend. I'm sorry what?? Not a normal person? That is offensive. I am a normal football fan like everyone else. I just think it seems a bit suss that a new account starts posting information that the general public wouldn't know such as saying Fowler has an ego an attitude problem and then starts speaking about having overseas connections. Then there's other new accounts that have claimed other stuff the general public wouldn't know such as Fowler supposedly not talking to the Australian players, TD not trusted etc. Stuff like that rarely if ever gets posted on here. For those who read the forum regularly, it's all very bizarre. It's bizarre that your analysis is so deep. People have opinions and can voice them, You choose what you believe . As to accounts is this a public forum?? Some of the in depth comments are over the top. But you am I to judge them. Come lad your not CIA are yo.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. He wouldn't have lasted under fowler. The man has a ego, and attitude problem. You will see this for yourself if you haven't already. Look at his demina on the sidelines?. Really look at him he is clearly out of his depth. Yes he will sacrifice some Oz players no doubt. And from my overseas connections no one wants him. What overseas connection do you have? Why have you a player who needs a trail? No, only domestic U18’s lol - are you an agent then? but it was a sweeping statement on your connections that’s all. I’m not convinced by Fowler but I’d say two things (a) final judgement needs to wait a while - especially when he’s only two wins off top 3 and (b) we’re probably stuck with him for next season as well - unless the second half of the season is a total clusterfuck he’ll probably get another go around.
And of the players: there’s few I see week to week that look like they’re going balls out in games - that’s not a coaching problem that’s a player thing. Eric was a good example - always looked like he gave a damn compared to the majority who seemed to worry more about their next contract and not the three points on offer. No I'm not an Agent but yes , I work for a scouting group. In regards to Fowler he will stay I guarantee that. To pay him out is out of the question. You now have the impending court action from a previous manager. Eric was a gifted player without the soldiers around him. Fowler will not bring anyone in with a bigger reputation than himself. In my humble opinion the players are doubtful of him. And I'm talking about the visa players. The court action from a previous manager is not an issue, it’ll go the way the lawyers drive it. Today’s problems stem from that time but if you follow his coaching career following Roar it has a similar feel. And if you’re in a scouting group you should have heard the stories from that time from ex-players that we’re there - it wasn’t pretty by the sounds of things. I haven't followed what transpired at that time but will endeavour to read up on it.
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+x+xShould Robbie go (either by resignation or sacking) who should they go after? Can't think of any Australian candidates readily available. Maybe gamble on Arthur Pappas? Unlikely imo - Aloisi and Fowler were both gambles and aren't paying off. I doubt Roar management want to take another gam ble. Ufuk Talay has shown what he co uld with the Nix but he's not coming immeadiately. Should they go for someone with some success in the A-League? So only name I can think of Joseph Gombau. But shown at WSW, he'll need the rest of this season to rebuild and potentially next season as well but he has shown to be able to recruit quality imports, improve underperforming player and play attractive football but defensively Gombau's team have been suspect. He’s already working at Roar - Warren Moon. In Regard to Gombau I know a bit . He inherited a team that had some six to eight players from the same agent. The Agent I will not name , it is inappropriate but he also was presenting his own coach. I'm sure I don't have to draw you a picture of what happened next.
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+x+xYou have to wonder what is happening when our supposed star play of last year ,Mauk,is now playing in the NYL . A player who has played and won a Grand Final is there too.(Mells) He still hasnt got one game. A player who stormed onto the scene scoring goals last season and has always looked good playing out of position this year is playing NYL. Are these the guys who are at fault? All the visa players are playing still,so you can only assume the visa players are doing great and its Mauk and DWH who are the reason we are struggling. Then we have the issue of why Macca is coming.He is on his last legs and will be retired pretty soon.Sometimes age catches up and his form at WU shows it.Just as it has for Meier at WSW. IF RF thinks he will get 90mins per game out of Macca's slow stubby legs in summer ,he has been in the sun too long. I fear we will end up with our best young Aussie players being dispatched for pensioners and this motley crew of very average Visa players. It has been proven time and time again that quality is so important when it comes to foreign recruiting.If only clubs could get their brains around the concept. I would rather less imports if it meant they were better quality. Maybe make a high minimum spend on Visa players to filter out the rubbish that just blocks our youth. I can’t recall many (any?) people saying Mauk was a star player when he was signed last year? From memory he was seen as a very underwhelming signing so let’s not reposition him He’s played 9/11 games this season for an average of 85 minutes per game - what do you think of his performance this season?
DWH isn’t a very good player technically. He’s got pace, passion, seems self driven, and has a decent shot on him. But he’s had 7 games and hasn’t had an impact. Granted he’s playing as a wide striker but he hasn’t really scored for Roar outside of that purple patch when he was partnering Taggart.
At 22 the clock is ticking on DWH and the shadow of 18 year old Moratovic is looming hard - who would you rather see start, DWH or Moratovic?
Mells is a conundrum. Not hearing good things about him but you would hope he/Fowler can turn things around. There is a pattern with young bright Aussie players that go overseas early and fail - when they come back they are distinctly average. Only McGree at Jets/City/Adelaide looks really good.
The visa players looked a mixed bag at best:
holloway - dud despite flashes of good play
ROD - failed to deliver (wrong system for him?)
Aldred - okay but not great
Gillesphey - okay but not great. Roar still not getting the best out of his wicked left boot
O’Shea - he’s the only one delivering.
The next three games will tell ya where we are. Well either be bottom 1-3 or in finals placing by the time we return to Sydney. Mauk did stand out in Alois's team of pensioners.Unfortunately he was injured a lot. As far as DWH goes,I always take your comments with a dose of salt,because he never has been a player you liked. The problem for all players is it is easy to bag them all.Thats the real,issue.Why some are the fall guys and others are not. Certainly DWH has always tried hard and looked dangerous. Mauk always looked good as a box to box midfielder.In a labourously slow build up team,he is wasted ,because his strengthnis not utilised. We havent seen Mells so who knows what is keeping him sidelined. From what I have seen so far,the coach is the problem.He doesnt set up to play fast football.Wing play is slow and there is no emphasis on speed of getting forward.So players like Mauk who want to get forward fast become useless. Players like Neville and McGing who are squad players get a gig ,because they dont need to be fast and can pass backwards and sideways all day. Enter a new slow player Macca. It's the coach.
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+x+x+x+xAm I the only person who thinks Devon7 may be a disgruntled player or staff member? Come to think of it, there's a current Roar player who was born in Devon, maybe that might be a hint. I'll answer you first so you can't be a normal person commenting on here. I'm a fan of football. You obviously are something else. I voiced an opinion. I don't look to offend. I'm sorry what?? Not a normal person? That is offensive. I am a normal football fan like everyone else. I just think it seems a bit suss that a new account starts posting information that the general public wouldn't know such as saying Fowler has an ego an attitude problem and then starts speaking about having overseas connections. Then there's other new accounts that have claimed other stuff the general public wouldn't know such as Fowler supposedly not talking to the Australian players, TD not trusted etc. Stuff like that rarely if ever gets posted on here. For those who read the forum regularly, it's all very bizarre. It's bizarre that your analysis is so deep. People have opinions and can voice them, You choose what you believe . As to accounts is this a public forum?? Some of the in depth comments are over the top. But you am I to judge them. Come lad your not CIA are yo. You missed my point entirely. Given all of these new accounts have popped up and posted all of the stuff the general public wouldn't know would be a sign that all is not well in the Roar camp, after all isn't that the point you are making? The point I was trying to make is that someone who was claiming to be a fan wouldn't know that stuff, a person inside the club or has connections inside the club would. I never said what you can/can't say either, say what you like, it's a free country. It's just unusual to have so many new account claiming to have inside info so I was just curious to know what your background is. You have since said you were in a scouting group. I'm sorry I thought you may have been someone from inside the club (not that I have an issue with that) but surely you can see why people may have thought that may have been the case.
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Roar in me Blood
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. I didn’t think the question was who had a better pedigree than Broich though?
Berisha certainly didn’t have a better pedigree than Broich but he was a bloody good signing.
Corona > Eric I would say (forgot about him).
I’m not sure if there’s a site somewhere that lists our visa players over the years but generally we seem to have had a handful of really good ones (Broich, Berisha, Corona), then a few good but not great ones, and then the majority who have been below average to absolute shockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brisbane_Roar_FC_playersEach clyb has a wiki page which lists every player to have played for the club and there's a wiki page that lists every visa player to have ever played in the league. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_A-League_players Thanks.
So from that site, my best visa players:
Broich
Berisha. Corona Bautheac
then in no particular order:
Miller. Van Dijick
Solorzano (season one)
Ricky.
Honestly. It’s not an impressive list over 15 years.
Our best players have been Aussies typically supported by visa players.
Now add their names to the list again - one for each season they played. If I had a good team involving (just for example) 3 quality visa players who I could keep, I would hope the rest of my list was short and unimpressive, with those three players ideally covering a good 5 years. I am not saying we had that, but showing names like Broich once, when he represented quality over a number of seasons, is an understatement of our club's visa position. Haven't looked at the site, but wasn't our big Greek defender there? Aside from the spitting incident, PapaD was real quality and our solid defence simply fell apart when he was not there.
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+x+x+xYou have to wonder what is happening when our supposed star play of last year ,Mauk,is now playing in the NYL . A player who has played and won a Grand Final is there too.(Mells) He still hasnt got one game. A player who stormed onto the scene scoring goals last season and has always looked good playing out of position this year is playing NYL. Are these the guys who are at fault? All the visa players are playing still,so you can only assume the visa players are doing great and its Mauk and DWH who are the reason we are struggling. Then we have the issue of why Macca is coming.He is on his last legs and will be retired pretty soon.Sometimes age catches up and his form at WU shows it.Just as it has for Meier at WSW. IF RF thinks he will get 90mins per game out of Macca's slow stubby legs in summer ,he has been in the sun too long. I fear we will end up with our best young Aussie players being dispatched for pensioners and this motley crew of very average Visa players. It has been proven time and time again that quality is so important when it comes to foreign recruiting.If only clubs could get their brains around the concept. I would rather less imports if it meant they were better quality. Maybe make a high minimum spend on Visa players to filter out the rubbish that just blocks our youth. I can’t recall many (any?) people saying Mauk was a star player when he was signed last year? From memory he was seen as a very underwhelming signing so let’s not reposition him He’s played 9/11 games this season for an average of 85 minutes per game - what do you think of his performance this season?
DWH isn’t a very good player technically. He’s got pace, passion, seems self driven, and has a decent shot on him. But he’s had 7 games and hasn’t had an impact. Granted he’s playing as a wide striker but he hasn’t really scored for Roar outside of that purple patch when he was partnering Taggart.
At 22 the clock is ticking on DWH and the shadow of 18 year old Moratovic is looming hard - who would you rather see start, DWH or Moratovic?
Mells is a conundrum. Not hearing good things about him but you would hope he/Fowler can turn things around. There is a pattern with young bright Aussie players that go overseas early and fail - when they come back they are distinctly average. Only McGree at Jets/City/Adelaide looks really good.
The visa players looked a mixed bag at best:
holloway - dud despite flashes of good play
ROD - failed to deliver (wrong system for him?)
Aldred - okay but not great
Gillesphey - okay but not great. Roar still not getting the best out of his wicked left boot
O’Shea - he’s the only one delivering.
The next three games will tell ya where we are. Well either be bottom 1-3 or in finals placing by the time we return to Sydney. Mauk did stand out in Alois's team of pensioners.Unfortunately he was injured a lot. As far as DWH goes,I always take your comments with a dose of salt,because he never has been a player you liked. The problem for all players is it is easy to bag them all.Thats the real,issue.Why some are the fall guys and others are not. Certainly DWH has always tried hard and looked dangerous. Mauk always looked good as a box to box midfielder.In a labourously slow build up team,he is wasted ,because his strengthnis not utilised. We havent seen Mells so who knows what is keeping him sidelined. From what I have seen so far,the coach is the problem.He doesnt set up to play fast football.Wing play is slow and there is no emphasis on speed of getting forward.So players like Mauk who want to get forward fast become useless. Players like Neville and McGing who are squad players get a gig ,because they dont need to be fast and can pass backwards and sideways all day. Enter a new slow player Macca. It's the coach. Agree that the coach appears to be the problem, including the recruitment and the way the team is apparently set up to play.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. I didn’t think the question was who had a better pedigree than Broich though?
Berisha certainly didn’t have a better pedigree than Broich but he was a bloody good signing.
Corona > Eric I would say (forgot about him).
I’m not sure if there’s a site somewhere that lists our visa players over the years but generally we seem to have had a handful of really good ones (Broich, Berisha, Corona), then a few good but not great ones, and then the majority who have been below average to absolute shockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brisbane_Roar_FC_playersEach clyb has a wiki page which lists every player to have played for the club and there's a wiki page that lists every visa player to have ever played in the league. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_A-League_players Thanks.
So from that site, my best visa players:
Broich
Berisha. Corona Bautheac
then in no particular order:
Miller. Van Dijick
Solorzano (season one)
Ricky.
Honestly. It’s not an impressive list over 15 years.
Our best players have been Aussies typically supported by visa players.
Now add their names to the list again - one for each season they played. If I had a good team involving (just for example) 3 quality visa players who I could keep, I would hope the rest of my list was short and unimpressive, with those three players ideally covering a good 5 years. I am not saying we had that, but showing names like Broich once, when he represented quality over a number of seasons, is an understatement of our club's visa position. Haven't looked at the site, but wasn't our big Greek defender there? Aside from the spitting incident, PapaD was real quality and our solid defence simply fell apart when he was not there. Avraam is listed because he played for Greece but he didn't take up a visa spot as he was born in Melbourne.
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+x+x+xYou have to wonder what is happening when our supposed star play of last year ,Mauk,is now playing in the NYL . A player who has played and won a Grand Final is there too.(Mells) He still hasnt got one game. A player who stormed onto the scene scoring goals last season and has always looked good playing out of position this year is playing NYL. Are these the guys who are at fault? All the visa players are playing still,so you can only assume the visa players are doing great and its Mauk and DWH who are the reason we are struggling. Then we have the issue of why Macca is coming.He is on his last legs and will be retired pretty soon.Sometimes age catches up and his form at WU shows it.Just as it has for Meier at WSW. IF RF thinks he will get 90mins per game out of Macca's slow stubby legs in summer ,he has been in the sun too long. I fear we will end up with our best young Aussie players being dispatched for pensioners and this motley crew of very average Visa players. It has been proven time and time again that quality is so important when it comes to foreign recruiting.If only clubs could get their brains around the concept. I would rather less imports if it meant they were better quality. Maybe make a high minimum spend on Visa players to filter out the rubbish that just blocks our youth. I can’t recall many (any?) people saying Mauk was a star player when he was signed last year? From memory he was seen as a very underwhelming signing so let’s not reposition him He’s played 9/11 games this season for an average of 85 minutes per game - what do you think of his performance this season?
DWH isn’t a very good player technically. He’s got pace, passion, seems self driven, and has a decent shot on him. But he’s had 7 games and hasn’t had an impact. Granted he’s playing as a wide striker but he hasn’t really scored for Roar outside of that purple patch when he was partnering Taggart.
At 22 the clock is ticking on DWH and the shadow of 18 year old Moratovic is looming hard - who would you rather see start, DWH or Moratovic?
Mells is a conundrum. Not hearing good things about him but you would hope he/Fowler can turn things around. There is a pattern with young bright Aussie players that go overseas early and fail - when they come back they are distinctly average. Only McGree at Jets/City/Adelaide looks really good.
The visa players looked a mixed bag at best:
holloway - dud despite flashes of good play
ROD - failed to deliver (wrong system for him?)
Aldred - okay but not great
Gillesphey - okay but not great. Roar still not getting the best out of his wicked left boot
O’Shea - he’s the only one delivering.
The next three games will tell ya where we are. Well either be bottom 1-3 or in finals placing by the time we return to Sydney. Mauk did stand out in Alois's team of pensioners.Unfortunately he was injured a lot. As far as DWH goes,I always take your comments with a dose of salt,because he never has been a player you liked. The problem for all players is it is easy to bag them all.Thats the real,issue.Why some are the fall guys and others are not. Certainly DWH has always tried hard and looked dangerous. Mauk always looked good as a box to box midfielder.In a labourously slow build up team,he is wasted ,because his strengthnis not utilised. We havent seen Mells so who knows what is keeping him sidelined. From what I have seen so far,the coach is the problem.He doesnt set up to play fast football.Wing play is slow and there is no emphasis on speed of getting forward.So players like Mauk who want to get forward fast become useless. Players like Neville and McGing who are squad players get a gig ,because they dont need to be fast and can pass backwards and sideways all day. Enter a new slow player Macca. It's the coach. Summed it up pretty well CC , just another point as someone (Devon) was talking about agents , how many players do individual agents have at the club? Sometimes that can tell a story ala WU And TS
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWhen was the last time we signed anyone with serious s pedigree. You cant count Broich....he was unknown when he came. Eric. I’d say Broich had a better pedigree than Bautheac when he came to Roar. Broich may have been unknown in Australia, but in his earlier days he was highly regarded in Germany. I didn’t think the question was who had a better pedigree than Broich though?
Berisha certainly didn’t have a better pedigree than Broich but he was a bloody good signing.
Corona > Eric I would say (forgot about him).
I’m not sure if there’s a site somewhere that lists our visa players over the years but generally we seem to have had a handful of really good ones (Broich, Berisha, Corona), then a few good but not great ones, and then the majority who have been below average to absolute shockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Brisbane_Roar_FC_playersEach clyb has a wiki page which lists every player to have played for the club and there's a wiki page that lists every visa player to have ever played in the league. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_A-League_players Thanks.
So from that site, my best visa players:
Broich
Berisha. Corona Bautheac
then in no particular order:
Miller. Van Dijick
Solorzano (season one)
Ricky.
Honestly. It’s not an impressive list over 15 years.
Our best players have been Aussies typically supported by visa players.
Now add their names to the list again - one for each season they played. If I had a good team involving (just for example) 3 quality visa players who I could keep, I would hope the rest of my list was short and unimpressive, with those three players ideally covering a good 5 years. I am not saying we had that, but showing names like Broich once, when he represented quality over a number of seasons, is an understatement of our club's visa position. Haven't looked at the site, but wasn't our big Greek defender there? Aside from the spitting incident, PapaD was real quality and our solid defence simply fell apart when he was not there. Avraam is listed because he played for Greece but he didn't take up a visa spot as he was born in Melbourne. Gotcha - thanks mate.
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