2020 AFC U23 Asian Cup Thailand Thread


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Bunch of Hacks - 13 Jan 2020 3:20 AM
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was he held back by his club?

No. His injury has kept him out for a fair while and I think he'll need a good 8 or more weeks from now to recover. Very unfortunate.
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We were bloody awful. 
Only once the Thais ran out of gas in the second half could we start to string a couple of passes together. Thailand was extremely dominant in the first half, we looked awful in attack midfield and defence. I take no satisfaction out of beating a team that was walking. A decent team would beat us by 3-4 goals at least. Good sides don't fatigue so badly and give us that opportunity to take control. Strange as the host nation, with a squad of domestic players already being acclimatised struggled so bad with the conditions.

Our set-pieces have been abysmal. Passes from cbs straight to attackers, glover not making saves and poor distribution, no ability to retain the ball under pressure in midfield and no ability to press the opposition.


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kaufusi - 13 Jan 2020 11:20 AM
We were bloody awful. 
Only once the Thais ran out of gas in the second half could we start to string a couple of passes together. Thailand was extremely dominant in the first half, we looked awful in attack midfield and defence. I take no satisfaction out of beating a team that was walking. A decent team would beat us by 3-4 goals at least. Good sides don't fatigue so badly and give us that opportunity to take control. Strange as the host nation, with a squad of domestic players already being acclimatised struggled so bad with the conditions.

Our set-pieces have been abysmal. Passes from cbs straight to attackers, glover not making saves and poor distribution, no ability to retain the ball under pressure in midfield and no ability to press the opposition.


Yes playing in 33c degree heat at 80% humidity is super easy to do... that's why when our golden gen went to Thailand they got embarrassed in 2007... not many footballers can play at that temp... let alone play well... we see it in the a-league every week...

please link me your cr7 free kicks you been practicing on?
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kaufusi - 13 Jan 2020 11:20 AM
We were bloody awful. 
Only once the Thais ran out of gas in the second half could we start to string a couple of passes together. Thailand was extremely dominant in the first half, we looked awful in attack midfield and defence. I take no satisfaction out of beating a team that was walking. A decent team would beat us by 3-4 goals at least. Good sides don't fatigue so badly and give us that opportunity to take control. Strange as the host nation, with a squad of domestic players already being acclimatised struggled so bad with the conditions.

Our set-pieces have been abysmal. Passes from cbs straight to attackers, glover not making saves and poor distribution, no ability to retain the ball under pressure in midfield and no ability to press the opposition.

Thailand was extremely dominant in the first half, we looked awful in attack midfield and defence.
... and we were level at half time. The fact that we were able to outrun the Thais in the second half is a credit to the fitness staff. Don't forget they pummelled Bahrain in the first game 5-0 (which is not bad for a team that walks!). You've just highlighted again that you have very little idea of the challenges of playing in Asia. 


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jas88 - 13 Jan 2020 11:52 AM
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Yes playing in 33c degree heat at 80% humidity is super easy to do... that's why when our golden gen went to Thailand they got embarrassed in 2007... not many footballers can play at that temp... let alone play well... we see it in the a-league every week...

please link me your cr7 free kicks you been practicing on?

I thought it was 29 degrees for the Olyroos? Anyway, I would argue temperatures in the A-league are similiar maybe even hotter. Maybe the humidity is a little more than we are used too. That team in the Asian Cup probably underestimated the level of competition and got a bit of a shock. 

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* Is there a fixture list somewhere? 
* If they win this group do they qualify for the Olympics? 
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ErogenousZone - 13 Jan 2020 12:41 PM
* Is there a fixture list somewhere? 
* If they win this group do they qualify for the Olympics? 

https://au.soccerway.com/international/asia/afc-u23-asian-cup/2020/group-stage/r46167/

Top 3 qualify for the Olympics (now that Japan are out). So they'll have to make the final or win the 3rd place playoff.
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ErogenousZone - 13 Jan 2020 12:41 PM
* Is there a fixture list somewhere? 
* If they win this group do they qualify for the Olympics? 

* Do you have Google. 
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Barcelona made many asean teams labour under illusions they can play attacking and high pressing game against phyically stronger opponents at asian levels with only their short and technical players. Actually, tiki taca also requires a lot of stamina to move and take up the spaces. They also think their short players are technical and skillful. Actually, they look like a dribbler but they arent not fast enough to totally leave defenders marking them behind. Their first touch gets worse and worse when playing at high speed. They look a bit skillful but its not enough.Only vietnam realizes that when Park hang seo came and showed us how to play like an underdog team and make us toughest asean team to be beaten at asian level.
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China are out with a game still to play after losing 2-0 to Uzbekistan.
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The fact that Thailand are still in the off season/still in pre season also explains why they ran out of legs in that second half. It seems to be a constant though that Asian teams seemingly drop easily and can't play for the full 90 minutes. 
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paladisious - 13 Jan 2020 12:48 PM
ErogenousZone - 13 Jan 2020 12:41 PM

https://au.soccerway.com/international/asia/afc-u23-asian-cup/2020/group-stage/r46167/

Top 3 qualify for the Olympics (now that Japan are out). So they'll have to make the final or win the 3rd place playoff.

Wow, didn't realise Japan lost both games. That's massive. 
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Weiry - 13 Jan 2020 3:06 PM
The fact that Thailand are still in the off season/still in pre season also explains why they ran out of legs in that second half. It seems to be a constant though that Asian teams seemingly drop easily and can't play for the full 90 minutes. 

Maybe it's also an coincidence that our youth teams struggle to qualify for youth World Cups these days as our teams often than not aren't match fit around the September-October mark.

But this tournament in January during the middle of our season is more or less helping us.
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Kamaryn - 13 Jan 2020 3:33 PM
paladisious - 13 Jan 2020 12:48 PM

Wow, didn't realise Japan lost both games. That's massive. 

Japan clearly experimenting with other players, the European based players they have gives them a completely different outlook.
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Barca4Life - 13 Jan 2020 4:34 PM
Kamaryn - 13 Jan 2020 3:33 PM

Japan clearly experimenting with other players, the European based players they have gives them a completely different outlook.

I was going to ask whether that was the case. Having already qualified as hosts gives them freedom to experiment, but at the same time it's still a competitive tournament. Thanks for the update.
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camberwelldorjes - 13 Jan 2020 1:14 AM
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Do you live in a nursing home?

In case you missed it, Arzani is recovering from a career threatening injury. Why risk playing him in a huge tournament when he’s played nearly zero football. 

Ikonomidis is born in 1995. Even if he was scoring five goals every week in Perth he would be ruled out of this tournament.

McGree is suspended for this tournament. Likewise Atkinson and Wales.

WTF Hope achieved this season? Close to nothing. 

Hope is possibly achieving  a lot more than some of the players selected.

One of the issues was that Australia wasn't able to disturb central Thai build ups effectively, by being unable to make intercepts from  effective  individual  and collective defensive positioning.

Moreover , the CBs weren't able to play the ball out, because the lack of movement  of DMs  and others was  inadequate. Players were not thinking where they needed to be in order to support the ball carrier.

Hope, has displayed these attributes for Victory, even if the current coach isn't playing him as a starter. I'm not sure where some of the other under 23s play their club football?  I know the HAL players, but the Aus under 23 CBs and the DMs,  struggled against Thailand in the first half - when we had the ball, and, when they had the ball. 

Genreau was more effective when he came on.



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Kamaryn - 13 Jan 2020 3:33 PM
paladisious - 13 Jan 2020 12:48 PM

Wow, didn't realise Japan lost both games. That's massive. 

They fielded an under 20 team knowing they will be in the final regardless.
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camberwelldorjes - 13 Jan 2020 2:11 PM
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* Do you have Google. 

why are you such a jerk for pal? the point of this forum is to share info 
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Decentric - 13 Jan 2020 5:30 PM
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Hope is possibly achieving  a lot more than some of the players selected.

One of the issues was that Australia wasn't able to disturb central Thai build ups effectively, by being unable to make intercepts from  effective  individual  and collective defensive positioning.

Moreover , the CBs weren't able to play the ball out, because the lack of movement  of DMs  and others was  inadequate. Players were not thinking where they needed to be in order to support the ball carrier.

Hope, has displayed these attributes for Victory, even if the current coach isn't playing him as a starter. I'm not sure where some of the other under 23s play their club football?  I know the HAL players, but the Aus under 23 CBs and the DMs,  struggled against Thailand in the first half - when we had the ball, and, when they had the ball. 

Genreau was more effective when he came on.



Thailand is very great on the wing. their 2 best players are supachok on the left and suphanat on the right. On the first half, australia showed a lack of creativity on midfield. your fullbacks often must move forward to support the attack. Thats why they left a lot of place behind for supachok and suphanat to exploit at the back. Since Genreau came in, your fullbacks didnt often pass halfway line . They closed down the spaces on the sides then thai attacking game was completely screwed up.
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Is our game against Bahrain tonight or tomorrow? 

I’m getting super confused with the dates as the kickoff time is 12:15am... 

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Try this link for the tournament 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_AFC_U-23_Championship

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Bowden - 13 Jan 2020 8:29 PM
Is our game against Bahrain tonight or tomorrow? 

I’m getting super confused with the dates as the kickoff time is 12:15am... 

Na 12;15pm on wednesday morning, tues-weds
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Don't know if it's been mentioned but air pollution in Bangkok is truly hideous right now. Half the people I meet are hacking their guts up from the PM 2.5, so kudos to anyone playing in these conditions.

Seeing a lot of calls for players to get senior caps soon. Anyone who's watched Piscopo or Toure regularly in the A-League would see they're talented but have got a lot of improving to do. 
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arshavin23 - 12 Jan 2020 1:18 PM
Not the greatest game from Italiano but let's not forget that he's only 18, he's eligible to play in the 2024 Olympics, that's how young he is!

Reminds me of what people were saying about DeSilva last cup cycle. 
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Jordan 0 Vietnam 0
UAE 3 North Korea 0
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johnszasz - 14 Jan 2020 2:15 AM
Jordan 0 Vietnam 0
UAE 3 North Korea 0

Vietnam qualifying is still pretty likely from this point, any win against North Korea will do it, and they'll go through in first if Jordan and UAE draw (likely avoiding South Korea), or second if either win.

Still a decent chance of all qualifiers being all East Zone.
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Decentric - 13 Jan 2020 5:30 PM
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Hope is possibly achieving  a lot more than some of the players selected.

One of the issues was that Australia wasn't able to disturb central Thai build ups effectively, by being unable to make intercepts from  effective  individual  and collective defensive positioning.

Moreover , the CBs weren't able to play the ball out, because the lack of movement  of DMs  and others was  inadequate. Players were not thinking where they needed to be in order to support the ball carrier.

Hope, has displayed these attributes for Victory, even if the current coach isn't playing him as a starter. I'm not sure where some of the other under 23s play their club football?  I know the HAL players, but the Aus under 23 CBs and the DMs,  struggled against Thailand in the first half - when we had the ball, and, when they had the ball. 

Genreau was more effective when he came on.



"Hope is possibly achieving  a lot more than some of the players selected."

What a bland generalising statement. 

How can you take yourself seriously when you're scratching your head wondering why Ikonomidis, McGree and Atkinson etc aren't playing in Thailand haha. 

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camberwelldorjes - 14 Jan 2020 9:19 AM
Decentric - 13 Jan 2020 5:30 PM

"Hope is possibly achieving  a lot more than some of the players selected."

What a bland generalising statement. 

How can you take yourself seriously when you're scratching your head wondering why Ikonomidis, McGree and Atkinson etc aren't playing in Thailand haha. 

Get off your high horse and look at the '(s)' D, put beside Wales, Atkinson, and McGree in his initial post. ffs. 

Its a public forum where people voice their opinions and potentially make mistakes. 

If you can't handle that, then these forums aren't the place for you friend.
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ctrl - 13 Jan 2020 11:31 PM
Don't know if it's been mentioned but air pollution in Bangkok is truly hideous right now. Half the people I meet are hacking their guts up from the PM 2.5, so kudos to anyone playing in these conditions.

Seeing a lot of calls for players to get senior caps soon. Anyone who's watched Piscopo or Toure regularly in the A-League would see they're talented but have got a lot of improving to do. 

Piscopo no, Toure yes..
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