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+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. I think Robbie is considering how demoralising it is and how hard it is to come back from a goal down in the first half. Simple as that. If we get good enough to be a dominant attacking side, then I would expect Robbie to change things up and risk an early goal knowing we 'will' get it back and more before full time. Both our recent history and our current form are against relying on us coming from a goal down. I think Robbie uses two halves exactly as you say and frustrating as it can be to watch it is an effective strategy. It takes some of the halftime talk out of the equation for an opposition coach to plan a counter to our defence because they only know we are going to step it up in the second half. Same basic structure but his player instructions then allows/requires his wider defenders to push on more and leave the 3 at the back to do the job, becoming both more aggressive and more creative as a group. Players know that not conceding is our first half goal. It lets them focus on what is important in that half. The few players up front try to score knowing that if they do it is a huge bonus. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. If they struggle to score once in a game they do not want to be coming back from one down against us. I hang off the first 25 minutes of every game hoping we don't let a goal in. We are getting much better at that and I welcome it. I find it hard to simply relax into the game from the start. But I wouldn't want to miss one minute of the game. Watching individual defenders take opposition players out of the equation legally is really entertaining for me and being solid and resolute at the back makes a game so much more enjoyable overall. Surely you remember the feeling of conceding an early, stupid goal and this cannot be worse than that.
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+x+x+x+x+xI heard chatter in the background when at the game at Redcliffe, and one guy was trying to explain to the other the effects of playing like Roar has and said something like ......."when Roar wins, football loses". Proof enough the team should fold. :w00t::w00t::w00t: Have you noticed that everyone in your vicinity is a miserable git? Well many are not happy to witness the most skill-less and ugliest side in the history of he club. I enjoyed the last 10 mins though. Roar Football: 96% boring, 11% enjoyable, 0.1% possible. Need to be an accountant to follow football properly these days :) Was that last game or the game before? The unbeaten run or the whole season to date? Yep, pretty complex ;) 4 minutes of good football. 10 minutes of enjoyment.
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+xI must say that I actually enjoy watching my team winning games. Sometimes a draw is acceptable, but I don't like losing. I appreciate the work that our coaches have put in to change the results from the first half of the season. I certainly appreciate the change from the defensive efforts of last year. 71 goals conceded! That certainly entertained some people, but definitely not me. Skills, imagination, quick thinking, improvisation, ball control, speed, offensiveness etc is badly lacking this season. Restricting goals scored against is nice. Poor at scoring is not nice. You can achieve what the team lacks more with proper recruitment. You never know, it might also throw a bonus in our direction and entertain.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI heard chatter in the background when at the game at Redcliffe, and one guy was trying to explain to the other the effects of playing like Roar has and said something like ......."when Roar wins, football loses". Proof enough the team should fold. :w00t::w00t::w00t: Have you noticed that everyone in your vicinity is a miserable git? Well many are not happy to witness the most skill-less and ugliest side in the history of he club. I enjoyed the last 10 mins though. Roar Football: 96% boring, 11% enjoyable, 0.1% possible. Need to be an accountant to follow football properly these days :) Was that last game or the game before? The unbeaten run or the whole season to date? Yep, pretty complex ;) 4 minutes of good football. 10 minutes of enjoyment. Was that with overtime? Which game? LOL
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+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. I think Robbie is considering how demoralising it is and how hard it is to come back from a goal down in the first half. Simple as that. If we get good enough to be a dominant attacking side, then I would expect Robbie to change things up and risk an early goal knowing we 'will' get it back and more before full time. Both our recent history and our current form are against relying on us coming from a goal down. I think Robbie uses two halves exactly as you say and frustrating as it can be to watch it is an effective strategy. It takes some of the halftime talk out of the equation for an opposition coach to plan a counter to our defence because they only know we are going to step it up in the second half. Same basic structure but his player instructions then allows/requires his wider defenders to push on more and leave the 3 at the back to do the job, becoming both more aggressive and more creative as a group. Players know that not conceding is our first half goal. It lets them focus on what is important in that half. The few players up front try to score knowing that if they do it is a huge bonus. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. If they struggle to score once in a game they do not want to be coming back from one down against us. I hang off the first 25 minutes of every game hoping we don't let a goal in. We are getting much better at that and I welcome it. I find it hard to simply relax into the game from the start. But I wouldn't want to miss one minute of the game. Watching individual defenders take opposition players out of the equation legally is really entertaining for me and being solid and resolute at the back makes a game so much more enjoyable overall. Surely you remember the feeling of conceding an early, stupid goal and this cannot be worse than that. The FIFA stats on teams scoring first going on to not lose are astonishing. In around 85% of cases the team that scores first does not lose (I think the actual number is 83% and Robbie will know that).
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+x+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Keeping you awake mate - genuinely happy to see that :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI heard chatter in the background when at the game at Redcliffe, and one guy was trying to explain to the other the effects of playing like Roar has and said something like ......."when Roar wins, football loses". Proof enough the team should fold. :w00t::w00t::w00t: Have you noticed that everyone in your vicinity is a miserable git? Well many are not happy to witness the most skill-less and ugliest side in the history of he club. I enjoyed the last 10 mins though. Roar Football: 96% boring, 11% enjoyable, 0.1% possible. Need to be an accountant to follow football properly these days :) Was that last game or the game before? The unbeaten run or the whole season to date? Yep, pretty complex ;) 4 minutes of good football. 10 minutes of enjoyment. Was that with overtime? Which game? LOL 'Twas this last game. If you want the stats to mean something else let me know and I will make that up too. When you say "Skills, imagination, quick thinking, improvisation, ball control, speed, offensiveness etc is badly lacking this season", I don't think there is anyone entirely disputing much of that for the team as a whole - just disagreeing with the quantities of lackment ;) and the ability/capability of individuals within that to improve. Some of us (me included of course) are thrilled with the path we are on, satisfied with our progress on that continuing path, proud of how the team is coming together and achieving, and not least hoping we get there. As always, we delight in discussing, disputing and debating on this thread like we are watching two different teams in orange - but more often than not we are just choosing which side of the picture to look at. We won't make you happy watching this rubbish, and you won't make us unhappy watching this glorious battle. The forum can thank its very existence for that.
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It's often debated where should the A-League recruit from for their foreign imports to assist in developing the team, individuals and the game generally as a nation. Some say it should be Brazil or Spain or Italy or Germany or Croatia, or Argentina or Uruguay etc depending in what they're after or how accessible these imports may be. The Japanese wanted to be influenced by the Brazilians so favoured that football culture. The benefits are all there to see now and it's only the start of their journey. I'm surprised Roar have taken their foot off the pedal in persisting with quality imports from footballing styles that make a positive contribution and provide that skilled individualism that we so badly lack as a footballing nation. How exciting it was to watch our Brazilian contingent over the years, their skills and flair, whether the team was fighting for the title or not. We have plenty of sterile players in Australia already, so the last thing we need is more of the same. It's no wonder there's been so many comments on how much the standard of the A-League has dropped. There's always next season, maybe.
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+x+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. I think Robbie is considering how demoralising it is and how hard it is to come back from a goal down in the first half. Simple as that. If we get good enough to be a dominant attacking side, then I would expect Robbie to change things up and risk an early goal knowing we 'will' get it back and more before full time. Both our recent history and our current form are against relying on us coming from a goal down. I think Robbie uses two halves exactly as you say and frustrating as it can be to watch it is an effective strategy. It takes some of the halftime talk out of the equation for an opposition coach to plan a counter to our defence because they only know we are going to step it up in the second half. Same basic structure but his player instructions then allows/requires his wider defenders to push on more and leave the 3 at the back to do the job, becoming both more aggressive and more creative as a group. Players know that not conceding is our first half goal. It lets them focus on what is important in that half. The few players up front try to score knowing that if they do it is a huge bonus. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. If they struggle to score once in a game they do not want to be coming back from one down against us. I hang off the first 25 minutes of every game hoping we don't let a goal in. We are getting much better at that and I welcome it. I find it hard to simply relax into the game from the start. But I wouldn't want to miss one minute of the game. Watching individual defenders take opposition players out of the equation legally is really entertaining for me and being solid and resolute at the back makes a game so much more enjoyable overall. Surely you remember the feeling of conceding an early, stupid goal and this cannot be worse than that. The FIFA stats on teams scoring first going on to not lose are astonishing. In around 85% of cases the team that scores first does not lose (I think the actual number is 83% and Robbie will know that).
If that figure was remotely valid then every team would park the bus in the first half like Roar does.
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+x+x+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. I think Robbie is considering how demoralising it is and how hard it is to come back from a goal down in the first half. Simple as that. If we get good enough to be a dominant attacking side, then I would expect Robbie to change things up and risk an early goal knowing we 'will' get it back and more before full time. Both our recent history and our current form are against relying on us coming from a goal down. I think Robbie uses two halves exactly as you say and frustrating as it can be to watch it is an effective strategy. It takes some of the halftime talk out of the equation for an opposition coach to plan a counter to our defence because they only know we are going to step it up in the second half. Same basic structure but his player instructions then allows/requires his wider defenders to push on more and leave the 3 at the back to do the job, becoming both more aggressive and more creative as a group. Players know that not conceding is our first half goal. It lets them focus on what is important in that half. The few players up front try to score knowing that if they do it is a huge bonus. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. If they struggle to score once in a game they do not want to be coming back from one down against us. I hang off the first 25 minutes of every game hoping we don't let a goal in. We are getting much better at that and I welcome it. I find it hard to simply relax into the game from the start. But I wouldn't want to miss one minute of the game. Watching individual defenders take opposition players out of the equation legally is really entertaining for me and being solid and resolute at the back makes a game so much more enjoyable overall. Surely you remember the feeling of conceding an early, stupid goal and this cannot be worse than that. The FIFA stats on teams scoring first going on to not lose are astonishing. In around 85% of cases the team that scores first does not lose (I think the actual number is 83% and Robbie will know that).
If that figure was remotely valid then every team would park the bus in the first half like Roar does. Or would most teams take the approach of trying to be the team that scores first, and look to attack more than defend? By the way, a bit of googling suggests that the numbers quoted by Waz are valid. I found data that shows that in EPL for three seasons from 14/15 to 16/17, the team that scored first ended up winning or drawing 88% of the time (70% win, 18% draw). https://help.smarkets.com/hc/en-gb/articles/115000814452-Trading-after-the-first-goal-in-football
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+x+x+x+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. I think Robbie is considering how demoralising it is and how hard it is to come back from a goal down in the first half. Simple as that. If we get good enough to be a dominant attacking side, then I would expect Robbie to change things up and risk an early goal knowing we 'will' get it back and more before full time. Both our recent history and our current form are against relying on us coming from a goal down. I think Robbie uses two halves exactly as you say and frustrating as it can be to watch it is an effective strategy. It takes some of the halftime talk out of the equation for an opposition coach to plan a counter to our defence because they only know we are going to step it up in the second half. Same basic structure but his player instructions then allows/requires his wider defenders to push on more and leave the 3 at the back to do the job, becoming both more aggressive and more creative as a group. Players know that not conceding is our first half goal. It lets them focus on what is important in that half. The few players up front try to score knowing that if they do it is a huge bonus. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. If they struggle to score once in a game they do not want to be coming back from one down against us. I hang off the first 25 minutes of every game hoping we don't let a goal in. We are getting much better at that and I welcome it. I find it hard to simply relax into the game from the start. But I wouldn't want to miss one minute of the game. Watching individual defenders take opposition players out of the equation legally is really entertaining for me and being solid and resolute at the back makes a game so much more enjoyable overall. Surely you remember the feeling of conceding an early, stupid goal and this cannot be worse than that. The FIFA stats on teams scoring first going on to not lose are astonishing. In around 85% of cases the team that scores first does not lose (I think the actual number is 83% and Robbie will know that).
If that figure was remotely valid then every team would park the bus in the first half like Roar does. Or would most teams take the approach of trying to be the team that scores first, and look to attack more than defend?By the way, a bit of googling suggests that the numbers quoted by Waz are valid. I found data that shows that in EPL for three seasons from 14/15 to 16/17, the team that scored first ended up winning or drawing 88% of the time (70% win, 18% draw). https://help.smarkets.com/hc/en-gb/articles/115000814452-Trading-after-the-first-goal-in-football I would think that in bald is correct and would be a good reason to attack first and foremost if you use that statistic. But it doesn't reflect Roar's stats / win / lose (lately at least).
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If the team that scores first normally doesnt lose,Roar are the over achieving and deserve to be way down the ladder.
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brisbane snore have only scored first twice this season, both of them were in the second half.........
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+xbrisbane snore have only scored first twice this season, both of them were in the second half......... 1 nill win against nix and an own goal for mariners How about this stat? Brisbane were second and third to score the last time the played WSW and were amazingly awarded all 3 points from the fixture. Go figure.
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+xbrisbane snore have only scored first twice this season, both of them were in the second half......... 1 nill win against nix and an own goal for mariners Nope, scored first (in the first half) in the 2-2 draw v City. Also scored first in both wins v CCM, the win against WU, as well as the win against Nix. Roar have scored first 5 times, for 4 wins and 1 draw.
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+x+xbrisbane snore have only scored first twice this season, both of them were in the second half......... 1 nill win against nix and an own goal for mariners Nope, scored first (in the first half) in the 2-2 draw v City. Also scored first in both wins v CCM, the win against WU, as well as the win against Nix. Roar have scored first 5 times, for 4 wins and 1 draw. :hehe::hehe::hehe: Poor guy has gotten so bored with WSW, he's resorted to making up meaningless stats.
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+x+xbrisbane snore have only scored first twice this season, both of them were in the second half......... 1 nill win against nix and an own goal for mariners Nope, scored first (in the first half) in the 2-2 draw v City. Also scored first in both wins v CCM, the win against WU, as well as the win against Nix. Roar have scored first 5 times, for 4 wins and 1 draw. my bad
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+x+x+xbrisbane snore have only scored first twice this season, both of them were in the second half......... 1 nill win against nix and an own goal for mariners Nope, scored first (in the first half) in the 2-2 draw v City. Also scored first in both wins v CCM, the win against WU, as well as the win against Nix. Roar have scored first 5 times, for 4 wins and 1 draw. :hehe::hehe::hehe: Poor guy has gotten so bored with WSW, he's resorted to making up meaningless stats. I made an mistake, I think your mate Waz handles the meaningless stats department
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We're getting called a lot of names this season
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+x+x+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Keeping you awake mate - genuinely happy to see that :) Your like my go to guy for comedy, my man
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+x+x+x+xbrisbane snore have only scored first twice this season, both of them were in the second half......... 1 nill win against nix and an own goal for mariners Nope, scored first (in the first half) in the 2-2 draw v City. Also scored first in both wins v CCM, the win against WU, as well as the win against Nix. Roar have scored first 5 times, for 4 wins and 1 draw. :hehe::hehe::hehe: Poor guy has gotten so bored with WSW, he's resorted to making up meaningless stats. I made an mistake, I think your mate Waz handles the meaningless stats department What was the point of your post? To prove the Roar are boring/crap? Now that you were completely wrong, does that mean your opinion of the Roar has been changed? I doubt it has :)
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+x+x+x+x+xWhat i dont understand is if the strategy is to defend in the first half.Then clearly its not to score.Which is what is happening.We are the worst first half team for scoring in the first half. So what happens in the second half?Suddenly priority is not to defend as much? Last game Pepper was replaced by an attacker.Clearly a non defensive move.Why then?Why not at the start? If we are outplaying teams in the second half.Why not play the same in the first half? Why is not trying to concede in the first half more important than the second half?There must be a reason.playing for a fitness advantage is the most obvious.But it does confirm that Roar are not trying to play to score in the first half.Their objective is purely not to concede.Scoring is a bonus and one that we dont see too often. If you are a spectator ,turn up for the second half of you want to see Roar score.Be happy if we are not a goal down at half time. The opposition must be quietly terrified of us scoring first. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Keeping you awake mate - genuinely happy to see that :) Your like my go to guy for comedy, my man Another happy fan getting entertainment from the Roar.
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+xI heard chatter in the background when at the game at Redcliffe, and one guy was trying to explain to the other the effects of playing like Roar has and said something like ......."when Roar wins, football loses". Rubbish !!!
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Roar vs Crystal Palace and West Ham in July.
One game at Suncorp and one game out of town.
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+xRoar vs Crystal Palace and West Ham in July.
One game at Suncorp and one game out of town. Nice!
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miron mercedes
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+x+xRoar vs Crystal Palace and West Ham in July.
One game at Suncorp and one game out of town. Nice! yeah our team.... yet we don't get to see them play . Anyone know where our other game is ?
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Keeper66
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Marco saying that CP-WHU will be at Suncorp, says that Townsville is tipped to have BR-CP, while the venue for BR-WHU is unknown
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Jimo8
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Arguably Roars biggest problem last season was conceding goals.
RF has gone a long way to fixing that. So most pressing problem more or less under control without spending a lot of money???
So I see that as so far.....a successful step forward.
Now tje the next step, briefly, will be to gain better midfield control resulting in creating more scoring options. Then work on the front 3rd.
Its a reasonable progression, it doesn't happen overnight, as some here seem to expect.
I see it as s logical progression towards a coachs targets and goals.
Having not spent up big on Marquees but on average players, as some declare, now puts RF in a more attractive position of maybe signing that marquee type of player that maybe puts this team to the next level.
Logical progression in my view.
Small steps to success.
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Jimo8
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I'm getting a little over the negativity posted by s few people who refuse to see any of this progression.
Have you people ever ever played or coached???
if not then fair enough you entitled to your opinions but try to see what some people are trying to explain to you based on their experience and observations.
You might enjoy game day more instead of pointing out to us all your negative objectives.
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