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Burztur - 13 Jan 2020 12:57 PM
rusty - 13 Jan 2020 9:08 AM

Actually it isn't since the title is: "Understanding bushfire: trends indeliberate vegetation fires in Australia". The focus of that study is on deliberately lit fires from 1999 to 2004. 

Currently, I don't believe there is any academic research into this bushfire season but we can base our views from the RFS and Police reports. 

So you reject a 600+ page report that’s based on hard evidence, official statistics and deep analysis, yet you embrace a few anecdotal half assed sound bites which provides utterly no substance, detail or evidence.

Its obvious you didn’t even read the study, you just saw the title and thought “aha i have found to way reject this evidence that conflicts with my opinion, fuck you cognitive dissonance!”

If you choose to be that stupid I cant help you.
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rusty - 13 Jan 2020 1:41 PM
Burztur - 13 Jan 2020 12:57 PM

So you reject a 600+ page report that’s based on hard evidence, official statistics and deep analysis, yet you embrace a few anecdotal half assed sound bites which provides utterly no substance, detail or evidence.

Its obvious you didn’t even read the study, you just saw the title and thought “aha i have found to way reject this evidence that conflicts with my opinion, fuck you cognitive dissonance!”

If you choose to be that stupid I cant help you.

I didn't read the report because it isn't focused on the current bushfires. I'm not saying previous bushfires were not primarily caused by deliberate action. If that report was connected to the current bushfires then sure, we can rely on it. It also isn't comprehensive as the Australian Institute of Criminology would be investigating the deliberate aspect of bushfires only.

If you do go into the report, their evidence is sourced from the various Fire Services and the Police. The only material we have now dealing with the current bushfires are from those sources. From that, we have public statements from the RFS (interviews) and Police (interviews and media releases) saying 24 people have been charged with allegedly deliberately lit bushfires for this season (https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/news_article?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZWJpenByZC5wb2xpY2UubnN3Lmdvdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGODIyNjQuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D). That number can go up but significantly less than 

All of this as I said earlier is a distraction from the poor management/leadership from the Government in handling the issue (look at the Amazon fires last year, they were deliberate but so what?). IF arson is the primary cause, then why is ScoMo not focusing on tougher arson laws and powers for the police/RFS?



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Burztur - 13 Jan 2020 2:30 PM
rusty - 13 Jan 2020 1:41 PM

I didn't read the report because it isn't focused on the current bushfires. I'm not saying previous bushfires were not primarily caused by deliberate action. If that report was connected to the current bushfires then sure, we can rely on it. It also isn't comprehensive as the Australian Institute of Criminology would be investigating the deliberate aspect of bushfires only.

If you do go into the report, their evidence is sourced from the various Fire Services and the Police. The only material we have now dealing with the current bushfires are from those sources. From that, we have public statements from the RFS (interviews) and Police (interviews and media releases) saying 24 people have been charged with allegedly deliberately lit bushfires for this season (https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/news_article?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZWJpenByZC5wb2xpY2UubnN3Lmdvdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGODIyNjQuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D). That number can go up but significantly less than 

All of this as I said earlier is a distraction from the poor management/leadership from the Government in handling the issue (look at the Amazon fires last year, they were deliberate but so what?). IF arson is the primary cause, then why is ScoMo not focusing on tougher arson laws and powers for the police/RFS?



There is no statistical or substantive analysis of the current bushfires, but we know from past and recent reportS and studieS that arson suspected in up to 50% of bushfires.  Natural causes such as lightning are typically not found to cause the majority of fires.  Yes the RFS spokesman did say that he suspected that dry lightning caused the majority of the larger fires, however that implies that some of the larger fires were the result of arson.  Secondly he makes no mention of smaller fires, and we know the current bushfire emergency is not only due to large fires but also the sheer number of fires that are significantly diverting fire fighting resources.  So what I would like to hear from the RFS spokesperson is simply how many fires are there and how many are suspected to be due to arson, natural causes, etc.   None of this information is available yet.

Also a police spokesperson said there was no intelligence to suspect arson, however fires are typically only referred to 
police where there is evidence that a crime has occurred, and in the vast majority of fires that are coded by fire authorities as ‘deliberate’ are not referred to police due to lack of physical evidence ie where a match is found.  This explains the massive disparity between police and fire service statistics that account for deliberately lit fires.  

As for your charge that the report isnt comprehensive, its clear you havent read it.   While it focuses on on deliberately lit fires, in order to understand this it needs to do so in the context of all fires and all of their causes, which it does so but you just didnt read it.

Im not saying that arson caused the fires to blaze out of control , however we are entitled to statistics and analysis before making any determinations about the causes of this bushfire season.  Its also worth noting that the RFS and police spokespersons didnt mention climate change as the cause, yet that hasnt stopped climate change advocates implicating climate change as the primary cause despite no evidence or analysis being provided.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and step back from making rash determinations about the causes until the facts and data has been thoroughly collated, analysed and presented, which could take months.
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rusty - 13 Jan 2020 3:21 PM
Burztur - 13 Jan 2020 2:30 PM

There is no statistical or substantive analysis of the current bushfires, but we know from past and recent reportS and studieS that arson suspected in up to 50% of bushfires.  Natural causes such as lightning are typically not found to cause the majority of fires.  Yes the RFS spokesman did say that he suspected that dry lightning caused the majority of the larger fires, however that implies that some of the larger fires were the result of arson.  Secondly he makes no mention of smaller fires, and we know the current bushfire emergency is not only due to large fires but also the sheer number of fires that are significantly diverting fire fighting resources.  So what I would like to hear from the RFS spokesperson is simply how many fires are there and how many are suspected to be due to arson, natural causes, etc.   None of this information is available yet.

Also a police spokesperson said there was no intelligence to suspect arson, however fires are typically only referred to 
police where there is evidence that a crime has occurred, and in the vast majority of fires that are coded by fire authorities as ‘deliberate’ are not referred to police due to lack of physical evidence ie where a match is found.  This explains the massive disparity between police and fire service statistics that account for deliberately lit fires.  

As for your charge that the report isnt comprehensive, its clear you havent read it.   While it focuses on on deliberately lit fires, in order to understand this it needs to do so in the context of all fires and all of their causes, which it does so but you just didnt read it.

Im not saying that arson caused the fires to blaze out of control , however we are entitled to statistics and analysis before making any determinations about the causes of this bushfire season.  Its also worth noting that the RFS and police spokespersons didnt mention climate change as the cause, yet that hasnt stopped climate change advocates implicating climate change as the primary cause despite no evidence or analysis being provided.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath and step back from making rash determinations about the causes until the facts and data has been thoroughly collated, analysed and presented, which could take months.

I agree. What’s annoying is that bushfires have become a political issue with climate change v not climate change. 

I don’t care if people believe if it is caused by climate change or not. I’m more concerned about the actions taken to prevent/mitigate this in future. Unfortunately, whatever the causes, fires of this scale seem to be the norm going forward and it needs to be dealt with.

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https://thebelltowertimes.com/the-moderately-successful-businessman/

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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 25 Jan 2020 4:17 PM
Wfmb: ccm's giveaway at today's game.  First 1000 people thru the gate receive sauce 😂😂

I love how HAL clubs are embracing the memeyness (if that’s not a word, it is now!) of the league now.
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sub007 - 26 Jan 2020 9:08 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 25 Jan 2020 4:17 PM

I love how HAL clubs are embracing the memeyness (if that’s not a word, it is now!) of the league now.

Agreed and its awesome.  Did u catch all the
hate that wu are coping abour the thank you note they left for the doggies? All due to them posting it and not the doggies. 

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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Jan 2020 11:01 PM
sub007 - 26 Jan 2020 9:08 PM

Agreed and its awesome.  Did u catch all the
hate that wu are coping abour the thank you note they left for the doggies? All due to them posting it and not the doggies. 

Yep haha.

Fully deserved too.
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Wfmb: ccm's ad for the game against wsw 😂😂😂
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 29 Jan 2020 9:16 PM
Wfmb: ccm's ad for the game against wsw 😂😂😂

Link?
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Burztur - 30 Jan 2020 12:44 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 29 Jan 2020 9:16 PM

Link?

https://twitter.com/ccmariners/status/1222299028982906880?s=21

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sub007 - 26 Jan 2020 11:14 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 26 Jan 2020 11:01 PM

Yep haha.

Fully deserved too.

Wait, what note?
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paulbagzFC - 29 Feb 2020 5:20 PM
WFMB: Sun Yang banned lol

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Yeah, but clearly a decision influenced by pro-western imperialist ant-china propaganda. 


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sydneyfc1987 - 1 Mar 2020 9:38 AM
paulbagzFC - 29 Feb 2020 5:20 PM

Yeah, but clearly a decision influenced by pro-western imperialist ant-china propaganda. 

I find it weird that any cheating done by aussies gets excuses. Essendon for example 
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 1 Mar 2020 11:14 AM
sydneyfc1987 - 1 Mar 2020 9:38 AM

I find it weird that any cheating done by aussies gets excuses. Essendon for example 

This is very true. 

Still, I always find Chinese trolls on Facebook, Twitter etc hilarious, complaining about western propaganda when the very social media outlets they are using a banned on the mainland.

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sydneyfc1987 - 1 Mar 2020 3:11 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 1 Mar 2020 11:14 AM

This is very true. 

Still, I always find Chinese trolls on Facebook, Twitter etc hilarious, complaining about western propaganda when the very social media outlets they are using a banned on the mainland.

Like the Russian trolls and the idiotic pro trump brigade . It's always the same argument 
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Interesting. Just got an email to say that I've been given the Foxtel Movies Pack gratis.   

Looks like they caved.  



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damn, you got movi pack ! even though I have netflix
I got this emailed the other day from Fox
You now have access to Drama, Kids, Entertainment Plus and Multiscreen~ *,
we hope it helps a little

I posted in another thread Optus Sport have frozen payments till June 1.


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ErogenousZone - 31 Mar 2020 12:30 PM
Interesting. Just got an email to say that I've been given the Foxtel Movies Pack gratis.   

Looks like they caved.  



Got that too. 

I'll keep my Foxtel account for the time being given there's a whole upcoming season of Westworld for me to struggle to understand. Following that I'll make a decision based on whether they ditch the A-League.

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ErogenousZone - 31 Mar 2020 12:30 PM

Got that too. 

I'll keep my Foxtel account for the time being given there's a whole upcoming season of Westworld for me to struggle to understand. Following that I'll make a decision based on whether they ditch the A-League.

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Wfmb: with no live sports I can finally catch up with all my shows I've ignored. Attack on titan, my hero acadmeia, jack Ryan,  treadstone.  And I can watch the tiger king 
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