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+xImagine you're running a business, that has done reasonably well for the past 30 years. You would think that in the space of 30 years you would have owned your own office/building and no longer renting. You'd have enough in reserve to sustain your business for one year at least, should there be a rainy day. You don't go living day by day, you'd have a means to survive during the tough times. Are Australian sports clubs in debt up to their neck? Or do they just not have deep pockets? Despite how many years of history the clubs have, they just couldn't survive without support from the governing body. except the analogy only works if you add in the fact in the middle of that 30 years half your organisation got up and created a rival organisation(super league)... so its a little different.
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+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We need a proper report from Syria and to see what happens if it hits slums in India & Bangladesh. People may keep passing it on for a while.
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They are predicting a spike in violence as it will become harder for users to get drugs.
Also an increase in domestic violence when people are home together.
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+xThey are predicting a spike in violence as it will become harder for users to get drugs. Also an increase in domestic violence when people are home together. There is also the possibility of a bit of a small baby boom. Especially if we get locked down like they have been in Italy and China. Netflix and chill all day everyday.
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+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Sure seems that way...
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+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Sure seems that way... No one is thinking about Australia at the moment
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+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Sure seems that way... No one is thinking about Australia at the moment They might be, but only to the extent that they'd rather be living here than wherever they are
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+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Sure seems that way... No one is thinking about Australia at the moment They might be, but only to the extent that they'd rather be living here than wherever they are Most people want to but are to scared to visit Australia or “Snake Island” as I refer to it.
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“Just as company directors, executives and workers across Australia are being forced to change their work habits and learning that cutting back travel and spending more time at home with their families has provided one silver lining, club bosses, too, are re-examining how their businesses are run. McLachlan and his team have been searching for ways to shorten games for some years. Shorter quarters look certain to prove another legacy of this crisis along with an extended finals series currently being explored for 2020 should we actually get that far. The fact that football has gone ahead at all over this weekend certainly presents a new form of propaganda as jobs are lost and businesses fold, but then again it was in the last war that we also turned to sporting heroes, among others, for some emotional salvation. ..... Melbourne might be happy they have Casey to retreat to for now but there remains a compelling argument that satellite operations such as Essendon's new home are not necessarily conducive to a positive playing culture. Just ask St Kilda, post-Seaford. Football in Shanghai looms as another long-term casualty of coronavirus.
.... Just as the last world war created a new order of haves and have-nots, this state of emergency will expose once and for all those clubs operating upon unsound business and cultural principles. And place untold pressure on the collective effort it will take to save them. ......” https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-football-may-never-be-the-same-20200320-p54cb7.html
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+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing
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+xThey are predicting a spike in violence as it will become harder for users to get drugs. Also an increase in domestic violence when people are home together. users would be a high risk category best they isolate themselves long-term
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this?
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Any spots left on that Mars colonisation spaceship? This place is cooked.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing No, we cannot There are to many symptom less people carrying the virus in the community to stop it now, and thats probably been true for a while. Current measures are not to get rid of the virus, its to slow its spread. Modelling done on the US on the effect of doing nothing, isolating the sick and the vulnerable, or a full on shutdown show that the full on shutdown is the only option that doesn't leave dead in the millions. If the shutdown is effective and universally practised, epidemic peaks in 3 weeks and kills several thousand. Its probably not going to be fully effective, and it certainly isnt being universally practised, so it probably falls somewhere between a few thousand and a couple of million dead.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. I dont know if this is true, but i saw a report that said mild = do not need oxygen. Moderate = need oxygen, but not ventilation, and severe = need ventilation. I have seen some tweets from people that have it that have been pretty bloody sick for weeks, but arent on oxygen, so they are `mild`.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. I dont know if this is true, but i saw a report that said mild = do not need oxygen. Moderate = need oxygen, but not ventilation, and severe = need ventilation. I have seen some tweets from people that have it that have been pretty bloody sick for weeks, but arent on oxygen, so they are `mild`. It is true, the classification for mild is you don't require oxygen.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? Number of deaths if you don't pursue a suppression strategy? What's an economy if a large percentage of your population is dead and this virus will still linger around for at least 18 months.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? Because unlike climate change, rising wealth inequality, hunger in the developing world, housing unaffordability in the developed world, or gun violence in the US, Covid-19 is something that will actually affect boomers. Simple as that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks I get the medical system and the flatten the curve argument. And that’s a very important dimension to this.
The other dimension is the global economy. In many sectors it has just stopped.
Governments are now printing money they don’t have. There is only one outcome of that which is a global economic depression and hyper inflation with public sector debt that will last a century.
The “cure” will kill tens of millions of people who will die in starvation, poverty, depression, disease, and malnutrition. Possibly hundreds of millions. This is “breakdown of society” stuff .... unless they change the rules of society?
That’s the dice they’ve rolled.
So there is something about this virus that has them so scared they’re betting the entire future on fixing it. The overwhelmed healthcare argument is a credible line but it cannot be the full picture, can it?
Once this virus has gone, or can be cured, or we have a vaccination, there is no “normal” to return to. Governments and society generally was already loaded up on debt from the GFC and cheap money and was already a ticking timebomb.
On top of the debt that we already didn’t know how to deal with were now loading even more - $100 billion in bank debt relief this week, $16 billion from the State in Round 1 and within two weeks Round 2 of $60 billion announcing later today and Round 3 already being planned. States are already throwing money at this as well.
And this is being repeated by pretty much every developed country around the world. There’s no new money for this - so they’re printing money and the economic consequences - if left unchecked - will be unimaginable.
So yes, the healthcare system and all that - but there is no return to normal after this and as soon as this C-19 has passed/is under control they will have a bigger crisis to address. And as far as I can tell, nothing in human history can tell us how that will be resolved.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks Sweet jesus. Are you a health expert? You're deluded
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks The reported cases are mainly overseas because that's the only people they test. The matter of the fact is our daily rise is just as bad as Italy 3 weeks ago, that's where we are headed as it has already crossed well and truly into the community. And it won't be slowing down because this country is fucking stupid and don't know how to self isolate and social distance.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks Sweet jesus. Are you a health expert? You're deluded BB is an expert on everything haven’t you realised this how? i agree it all seems an overreaction but governments generally aren’t stupid even though it often seems like it. This is big bad and clearly worth throwing money at. But no BB says it’ll be over in 4 weeks nothing to see here.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]No sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks Sweet jesus. Are you a health expert? You're deluded You’re such a sour & bitter person?! The guy is just trying to explain why the situation Is at where it is...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNo sport should be played at all, almost every continent they have their sporting events suspended. Why? In places like Italy where it is out of control and the whole of society is locked down, fine. But places like Aus where you are still able to go out, schools are operating, workplaces are still functioning and Crown Casino is operating as an essential service, why shouldnt sport (like other businesses) continue to operate if they comply with health dept guidelines? We are a global laughing stock imo, the Casino should be closed and no sport should be played. Australia is like a 2/10 no need to act like an 8 Exactly Australia is an island and the virus didnt originate here. We have a population spread over a large land mass and we are largely self sufficient. If we had initially implemented a mandatory isolation period for all people returning from overseas instead of 2 countries we wouldn't have a problem. And if people werent selfish jerks and actually stayed home if they had been overseas or had signs of sickness this thing could be done and dusted at the end of the month. It simply becomes a question of how to manage people coming into our country for the next 18 months. We have a problem we are in control of Mainland Europe and Asia is different. A virus can spread over land much faster than by boat or plane. They have higher levels of population density. And they cant all shut their borders because they arent self sufficient. It will be like us closing our borders so that each town had to stay isolated. People will lose their jobs and cities will be starved of essential resources like travelling healthcare professionals Our problem is our own. We band together, get through it, and then manage it sensibly. Europe and Asia will be hit, and hit very fucking hard, over the next 18 months with no other choice. If this thing runs rampant through Australia and we struggle for the next 12 to 18 months its because we brought it on ourselves We will be fine. You said it was blown out of proportion and just the flu. I said you take one approach or the other. You either try to contain it or you let it spread. No point half containing it - which is why we are in the situation we are in. We are in a unique position where we can effectively eliminate this from within our shores relatively quickly but we are at the mercy of everybody who came back to Australia pulling their heads out of their asses and doing the right thing by everybody else If people aren't going to self isolate like those idiots who infected 35 people in a single night so they didn't have to miss a wedding then this thing will spread like wildfire We are currently in a situation where the confirmed infections from overseas are greater than the confirmed infections that were passed on. If the reinfection rate is lower than the initial infection rate then this thing will die out before Easter. But we are at the mercy of people who have come back from overseas, particularly those in high risk areas and / or have flu like symptoms, doing the right thing You claimed there were 'wild measures' to contain a 'mild flu outbreak'. Do you still think it's a mild flu outbreak? Its too early to tell and varies based on country to country, season to season and demographic to demographic. I chose the word "mild" because it definitely isn't severe, but I chose the word flu to distinguish it from an every day cold. If it was a severe or deadly flu outbreak it wouldn't have left China and countries would be negligent for letting it spread, or implementing measures half heartedly As I said. In situations like this we either contain it or let it spread. We have chosen to contain it so we need to implement measures to contain it. Unlike other countries that share the same land under different rules and depend on each other for vital in-person resources, we can close our shores and have a perfectly functioning society. All we have to do is wait until the current (by my estimate) 1500 Australians with the Coronavirus flush it out of their system. Nobody should be allowed in Australia from overseas without strict measures in place, and you leave Australia knowing what you will be coming back to Im not concerned about the virus itself. Im concerned about the economic impact, depression, increased crime and domestic violence, social isolation, impact on those less fortunate, panic buying, people acting in self interest, risk to mental health, family breakdowns, potential for bankruptcy and even potentially suicides. It would be stupid to have measures like these in place if the goal is simply to let it spread slowly over the course of 18 months. We have chosen to contain it and people just have to stop being selfish and stupid. The sooner this is over, the better. And that's what we are all waiting for It might be a mild flu outbreak for 80% of the population but the remaining 20% will need hospital care which no system can handle. This is what is happening in Italy and the fatality rate is now over 9%. As for economic impact, that was gonna happen with a pandemic and we need some serious stimulus to mitigate the damage. They are locking down the entire world economy with consequences that will last for decades. Rather than people saying “it’s a mild flu for most” those people would be better off asking - what the fuck has got them so scared they will adopt a scorched earth policy on the global economy to try and stop this? The reason they are trying to stop it is because the healthcare system for most countries can't handle it. As I said, with viruses you either take a zero tolerance approach early, or you let it spread. The issue was that countries let it spread, then decided to stop it. Or they implemented measures half heartedly. Imagine if we decided sporting events were to go ahead in front of audiences, but only for those whose surnames are A-L For mainland Europe and Asian countries they cant stop the spread and they cant stop the continuous flow of infected people because their survival depends on contact Australia is different. In some instances we have seen moronic decisions like 2 people infecting 35 at a wedding, and 4 people boarding a cruise ship with thousands of passengers. But on the other hand people are getting tested early, self isolating, and there is enough media attention and paranoia to stop people from getting it even if people with the virus are walking around Of the 800 people that were reported to have it a day ago, 70% either got it from overseas or they are in close contact with those who returned from overseas (such as sharing a household). That means this virus is spreading at about .5 people for every person who catches it. If those trends continue it will die out in 4-5 weeks, and strict shoreline controls will mean nobody else (or very few people) will get it The virus isn't going around door knocking and infecting people in statistical numbers. We have a problem that is not too late to eradicate and that's the decision we have to make: Do we let this spread slowly because that's what we decided will happen or do we stop it dead in its tracks Sweet jesus. Are you a health expert? You're deluded Are YOU a health expert?! Labelling people on here as ‘deluded’?! Labeling me as ‘pathetic’ few months ago. I bet you’re a great guy to hang out with 🤗
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