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+x+xIf ALeague doesn't play in April, or May, then kiss goodbye the last 20% payment to the clubs. Thats thousands of dollars. Its about $900k per club they will be missing out on. In the case of Perth they would have been expecting a decent income from their last 4 home games as well before the shutout then shutdown happened.
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SMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable.
They can help out if the FFA ask nicely.
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+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money.
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+xSMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable. They can help out if the FFA ask nicely. Could be a good time for an NSL rebirth! lol. No chance
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+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r
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+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now.
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+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r You're right, they were targetting $80 mill, but on the ratings trends we've observed over the last three years, it is a miracle they got nearly $60 mill per annum. Another interesting point, the previous $40 mill per annum deal included SBS paying $7 mill a year to broadcast one game per round. It's now pretty clear that Lowy snr strongarmed the government broadcaster into paying overs for that one game. We know it's overs because no other FTA has wanted to pay a single cent for it since. All in all, that we wrangled nearly $60 mill out of Fox, when there was no other bidder (don't forget, Optus expressed zero interest when they had the chance) was nothing short of a miracle.
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+x+xSMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable. They can help out if the FFA ask nicely. Could be a good time for an NSL rebirth! lol. No chance Perhaps however it's clear there is no going back to any previous numbers which may have been obtained before. Financial reality has just come crashing down on Australian football as a whole.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. You recon the FFA would be able to bail clubs out now .... the organisation that just stood down 70% of its employees?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe. TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all. You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop.
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Just on the last two media deals, they need to be studied as they are quite different.
The 40 million was made up of Fox 33 & SBS 7, or 40 million of which I think 3 million was ads and 37 million cash.
The spilt is generally agree, but which way is argued ..
The spilt was one third & two thirds.
I have heard two thirds for the Socceroo's and one third for the A-League.... others say it was two thirds A-League and one third Socceroos... the previous 17 million dollar deal was certainly two thirds Socceroo's.
The 50 million dollar deal increasing to 54 for team 11, and I am unsure in Ten paid 4 million or got it for free... I think 10 got it for 4 million as Fox forced it on them and reduced their own cost by 4 million. after the take over 10 and Fox did not like each other and Football was caught in the middle thus almost no promotion...
However the 50 to 58 million dollar deal has no national team revenue so the increase was from either 26 million if the two thirds figure or from 13 million if the one third is correct.
Between the Fox / 10 war & Footballs own internal civil war .... rating, crowds, all went south.... add the kind would say poor, the cruel would say corporate egos and corruption, but the management of the Hal in the civil war and when 10 had rights was bad ...
I hope JJ & the leaders of iHal can get people united and focused as without a united front no one will come near us and simply see us as an uncontrollable rabble...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe. TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all. You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop. I remember a few taking umbrage when I said it wasn't necessarily a bad thing when sponsors like NAB that were individually affiliated with Lowy's mates jumped ship as they were leaving the board, but really it's far more healthy and sustainable in the long term for Australian football to survive on its own commercial merit than living at the whims of a sugar daddy and his mates going off the "jobs for the boys" principle, even if the actual income is lower in the immediate term.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe. TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all. You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop. Well, we are certainly that, make no mistake.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. You recon the FFA would be able to bail clubs out now .... the organisation that just stood down 70% of its employees? The last time Jets went broke, they just took over the license and ran the club until they found a new buyer, ref below in case you've forgotten https://www.a-league.com.au/news/ffa-terminates-licence-newcastle-jetsThere is no cash outlay now and only when comp starts and then the TV money would be coming in, plus they had other income sources to assist with. With no football why wouldnt they stand down employees, heaps of businesses have done the same. If PG goes broke, who will take over? Bitcoin AliG?
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+x+xSMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable. They can help out if the FFA ask nicely. Could be a good time for an NSL rebirth! lol. No chance Why not? SMFC viability - tick SMFC crowdsa - tick SMFC own ground tick What's not to like?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe. TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all. You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop. +x+x+xSMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable. They can help out if the FFA ask nicely. Could be a good time for an NSL rebirth! lol. No chance Why not? SMFC viability - tick SMFC crowdsa - tick SMFC own ground - cross (its a lease, shared with Athletics, an oval and not useable during GP) What's not to like? SMFC earnt their spot - cross
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe. TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all. You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop. +x+x+xSMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable. They can help out if the FFA ask nicely. Could be a good time for an NSL rebirth! lol. No chance Why not? SMFC viability - tick SMFC crowdsa - tick SMFC own ground - cross (its a lease, shared with Athletics, an oval and not useable during GP) What's not to like? SMFC earnt their spot - cross Yeh, but who else earned their spot?
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+x+x+xSMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable. They can help out if the FFA ask nicely. Could be a good time for an NSL rebirth! lol. No chance Why not? SMFC viability - tick SMFC crowdsa - tick SMFC own ground tick What's not to like? A tick for crowds? That's a disconnect with reality right there, folks.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe. TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all. You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop. Agree
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r Considering they only got an offer from Fox, that was a pretty good deal at the time. Looking at the pre-corona TV metrics next deal wont be any where near that figure. Also clubs need to take their fair share of blame for this decline, not just the stale recycled crap they put onto the field, but their war for independence and Griffins sensational headlines also caused significant damage. Despite all the promises, iHAL performed worse in all metrics after independance and the owners are like deer stuck in the headlights, not doing anything. Under FFA control when owners had financial difficulty they had a sugar daddy to bail them out, lets see where the money comes from now. 100% correct. Slap in face to the many that said anything is better than Lowe. TBH for eg, I'd sooner be on the road to never never land and see whats to become as are we now (were not alone) than having sugar daddy throw in some dollars in need to sugar coat the turd (or get a sponser dipping in) that it had become no matter what new FFA haven't done in their 18mths to date, our situation wasn't/isn't all on their watch at all. You guys are loving the old bubble but the core was rotten full stop. +x+x+xSMFC will be ok with lots of money in the bank and viable. They can help out if the FFA ask nicely. Could be a good time for an NSL rebirth! lol. No chance Why not? SMFC viability - tick SMFC crowdsa - tick SMFC own ground - cross (its a lease, shared with Athletics, an oval and not useable during GP) What's not to like? SMFC earnt their spot - cross Yeh, but who else earned their spot? None of the current HAL teams, they all bought their way in
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Not really any doubt now thats the A League as we knew it is finished. And, honestly, the past few years have newness so awful that even after supporting Brisbane Roar since that very first game against NZ Knights, I really can't shed a tear for its demise. It's been a slow motion train wreck for 4 or 5 years now and this has been simply accelerated the inevitable.
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+xNot really any doubt now thats the A League as we knew it is finished. And, honestly, the past few years have newness so awful that even after supporting Brisbane Roar since that very first game against NZ Knights, I really can't shed a tear for its demise. It's been a slow motion train wreck for 4 or 5 years now and this has been simply accelerated the inevitable. Not unlike my use of SwiftKey
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-looking-for-new-broadcast-partner-with-fox-sports-set-to-walk-20200330-p54fbc.htmlA-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walkFootball Federation Australia has begun scoping out options for a new broadcast partner for the A-League, believing Fox Sports is looking to end its 15-year partnership with Australian football. Despite having three years left to run on its contract, senior club and FFA sources anticipate Fox Sports will seek to end its $57 million per-year deal with the A-League, which has been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. FFA chief executive James Johnson would not comment on negotiations with Fox Sports but confirmed the organisation has already started to discuss back-up plans in the event the pay-TV network pulls out of football. "The COVID-19 pandemic has forced us all to question all aspects of how we do business. From the way we work, to the programs and services we deliver. Change, innovation, potential and possibility are commodities we have to deal in now," Johnson said. Foxtel declined to comment on its partnership with the A-League when contacted by the Herald on Monday, however clubs have been warned by FFA not to expect to receive the last quarterly payment for this year's broadcast rights. That final payment is due next month and worth around $900,000 for each club. Club sources suggest Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Roar are set to follow Perth Glory in temporarily standing down their squad while the season is suspended due to lost revenue. The A-League will not resume until April 22 at the earliest. An extended delay to the season could provide Fox Sports with the opportunity to walk away, according to sources with knowledge of the contract. With the A-League unable to provide matches due to the pandemic, the deal could potentially be deemed a "frustrated contract". Whether that can be used as a reason to exit the broadcast contract would likely result in a legal dispute but the FFA and A-League clubs have already started to workshop contingency plans, to ensure the competition can still be seen by fans. The plans include the possibility of the A-League being broadcast by live streaming services, free-to-air partners and digital broadcasters. The ABC televises one A-League match each weekend and will be approached as a potential back-up television partner. A previous deal with Network Ten could be revived after the free-to-air station was close to securing two live A-League games a weekend this year before talks with Fox Sports stalled. Optus Sport has increased its football coverage since purchasing the rights of the English Premier League in 2016 including a significant push into the Australian domestic market. The telecommunications company has produced several Australian football documentaries and shows in recent months. It has never previously sought the A-League rights but could be tempted to add the competition to its growing list should it become available at a cut price. As revealed by the Herald last month, online streaming service 'DAZN' is set to enter the Australian sports broadcast landscape and could emerge as a potential bidder for the A-League rights, should they become available this year. The over-the-top streaming platform has already obtained the broadcast rights for other football league's around the world, including the Italian Serie A.
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+xhttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-looking-for-new-broadcast-partner-with-fox-sports-set-to-walk-20200330-p54fbc.htmlA-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walkFootball Federation Australia has begun scoping out options for a new broadcast partner for the A-League, believing Fox Sports is looking to end its 15-year partnership with Australian football. Despite having three years left to run on its contract, senior club and FFA sources anticipate Fox Sports will seek to end its $57 million per-year deal with the A-League, which has been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. FFA chief executive James Johnson would not comment on negotiations with Fox Sports but confirmed the organisation has already started to discuss back-up plans in the event the pay-TV network pulls out of football. "The COVID-19 pandemic has forced us all to question all aspects of how we do business. From the way we work, to the programs and services we deliver. Change, innovation, potential and possibility are commodities we have to deal in now," Johnson said. Foxtel declined to comment on its partnership with the A-League when contacted by the Herald on Monday, however clubs have been warned by FFA not to expect to receive the last quarterly payment for this year's broadcast rights. That final payment is due next month and worth around $900,000 for each club. Club sources suggest Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Roar are set to follow Perth Glory in temporarily standing down their squad while the season is suspended due to lost revenue. The A-League will not resume until April 22 at the earliest. An extended delay to the season could provide Fox Sports with the opportunity to walk away, according to sources with knowledge of the contract. With the A-League unable to provide matches due to the pandemic, the deal could potentially be deemed a "frustrated contract". Whether that can be used as a reason to exit the broadcast contract would likely result in a legal dispute but the FFA and A-League clubs have already started to workshop contingency plans, to ensure the competition can still be seen by fans. The plans include the possibility of the A-League being broadcast by live streaming services, free-to-air partners and digital broadcasters. The ABC televises one A-League match each weekend and will be approached as a potential back-up television partner. A previous deal with Network Ten could be revived after the free-to-air station was close to securing two live A-League games a weekend this year before talks with Fox Sports stalled. Optus Sport has increased its football coverage since purchasing the rights of the English Premier League in 2016 including a significant push into the Australian domestic market. The telecommunications company has produced several Australian football documentaries and shows in recent months. It has never previously sought the A-League rights but could be tempted to add the competition to its growing list should it become available at a cut price. As revealed by the Herald last month, online streaming service 'DAZN' is set to enter the Australian sports broadcast landscape and could emerge as a potential bidder for the A-League rights, should they become available this year. The over-the-top streaming platform has already obtained the broadcast rights for other football league's around the world, including the Italian Serie A. Well, it’s earlier than expected but half of our problems are related to Fox Sports. Season start date, match scheduling, season finish, kick off times, length of season .... all big issues that can now (hopefully) be addressed.
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+x+xhttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-looking-for-new-broadcast-partner-with-fox-sports-set-to-walk-20200330-p54fbc.htmlA-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walkFootball Federation Australia has begun scoping out options for a new broadcast partner for the A-League, believing Fox Sports is looking to end its 15-year partnership with Australian football. Despite having three years left to run on its contract, senior club and FFA sources anticipate Fox Sports will seek to end its $57 million per-year deal with the A-League, which has been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. FFA chief executive James Johnson would not comment on negotiations with Fox Sports but confirmed the organisation has already started to discuss back-up plans in the event the pay-TV network pulls out of football. "The COVID-19 pandemic has forced us all to question all aspects of how we do business. From the way we work, to the programs and services we deliver. Change, innovation, potential and possibility are commodities we have to deal in now," Johnson said. Foxtel declined to comment on its partnership with the A-League when contacted by the Herald on Monday, however clubs have been warned by FFA not to expect to receive the last quarterly payment for this year's broadcast rights. That final payment is due next month and worth around $900,000 for each club. Club sources suggest Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Roar are set to follow Perth Glory in temporarily standing down their squad while the season is suspended due to lost revenue. The A-League will not resume until April 22 at the earliest. An extended delay to the season could provide Fox Sports with the opportunity to walk away, according to sources with knowledge of the contract. With the A-League unable to provide matches due to the pandemic, the deal could potentially be deemed a "frustrated contract". Whether that can be used as a reason to exit the broadcast contract would likely result in a legal dispute but the FFA and A-League clubs have already started to workshop contingency plans, to ensure the competition can still be seen by fans. The plans include the possibility of the A-League being broadcast by live streaming services, free-to-air partners and digital broadcasters. The ABC televises one A-League match each weekend and will be approached as a potential back-up television partner. A previous deal with Network Ten could be revived after the free-to-air station was close to securing two live A-League games a weekend this year before talks with Fox Sports stalled. Optus Sport has increased its football coverage since purchasing the rights of the English Premier League in 2016 including a significant push into the Australian domestic market. The telecommunications company has produced several Australian football documentaries and shows in recent months. It has never previously sought the A-League rights but could be tempted to add the competition to its growing list should it become available at a cut price. As revealed by the Herald last month, online streaming service 'DAZN' is set to enter the Australian sports broadcast landscape and could emerge as a potential bidder for the A-League rights, should they become available this year. The over-the-top streaming platform has already obtained the broadcast rights for other football league's around the world, including the Italian Serie A. Well, it’s earlier than expected but half of our problems are related to Fox Sports. Season start date, match scheduling, season finish, kick off times, length of season .... all big issues that can now (hopefully) be addressed. And a big fucking issue about to occur. How is the league going to handle a 20 million dollar pay cut in tv rights per year when it's about to expand to 12 teams
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+x+x+xhttps://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-looking-for-new-broadcast-partner-with-fox-sports-set-to-walk-20200330-p54fbc.htmlA-League looking for new broadcast partner with Fox Sports set to walkFootball Federation Australia has begun scoping out options for a new broadcast partner for the A-League, believing Fox Sports is looking to end its 15-year partnership with Australian football. Despite having three years left to run on its contract, senior club and FFA sources anticipate Fox Sports will seek to end its $57 million per-year deal with the A-League, which has been postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. FFA chief executive James Johnson would not comment on negotiations with Fox Sports but confirmed the organisation has already started to discuss back-up plans in the event the pay-TV network pulls out of football. "The COVID-19 pandemic has forced us all to question all aspects of how we do business. From the way we work, to the programs and services we deliver. Change, innovation, potential and possibility are commodities we have to deal in now," Johnson said. Foxtel declined to comment on its partnership with the A-League when contacted by the Herald on Monday, however clubs have been warned by FFA not to expect to receive the last quarterly payment for this year's broadcast rights. That final payment is due next month and worth around $900,000 for each club. Club sources suggest Central Coast Mariners and Brisbane Roar are set to follow Perth Glory in temporarily standing down their squad while the season is suspended due to lost revenue. The A-League will not resume until April 22 at the earliest. An extended delay to the season could provide Fox Sports with the opportunity to walk away, according to sources with knowledge of the contract. With the A-League unable to provide matches due to the pandemic, the deal could potentially be deemed a "frustrated contract". Whether that can be used as a reason to exit the broadcast contract would likely result in a legal dispute but the FFA and A-League clubs have already started to workshop contingency plans, to ensure the competition can still be seen by fans. The plans include the possibility of the A-League being broadcast by live streaming services, free-to-air partners and digital broadcasters. The ABC televises one A-League match each weekend and will be approached as a potential back-up television partner. A previous deal with Network Ten could be revived after the free-to-air station was close to securing two live A-League games a weekend this year before talks with Fox Sports stalled. Optus Sport has increased its football coverage since purchasing the rights of the English Premier League in 2016 including a significant push into the Australian domestic market. The telecommunications company has produced several Australian football documentaries and shows in recent months. It has never previously sought the A-League rights but could be tempted to add the competition to its growing list should it become available at a cut price. As revealed by the Herald last month, online streaming service 'DAZN' is set to enter the Australian sports broadcast landscape and could emerge as a potential bidder for the A-League rights, should they become available this year. The over-the-top streaming platform has already obtained the broadcast rights for other football league's around the world, including the Italian Serie A. Well, it’s earlier than expected but half of our problems are related to Fox Sports. Season start date, match scheduling, season finish, kick off times, length of season .... all big issues that can now (hopefully) be addressed. And a big fucking issue about to occur. How is the league going to handle a 20 million dollar pay cut in tv rights per year when it's about to expand to 12 teams It just has too right.
The salary cap, w league and other grants must be around $40m, so $10m+ goes there.
Clubs will have to cut costs. Roar to Dolphin full time for example.
Then they’ll have to find new revenues - a de ent merchandise program wouldn’t hurt (only with the money going to the club concerned not to the FFA).
And it’s fair to say, this knocks the HAL back three years ago to where they were - they can survive that.
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pretty shitty thing for foxtel to drop on the league. using the virus as an excuse to get out of the contract. fuck them.
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