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The nrl making the a league look like the afl
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+xas far as alibis go, that one's a beauty Might as well just say he’s famous so we are sweeping it under the carpet
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+x+xas far as alibis go, that one's a beauty Might as well just say he’s famous so we are sweeping it under the carpet Its well known he works on his fathers farm off season. And you cannot drive into the southwest without having an approved reason, and surfing isnt an approved reason. It was news because it was Fyfe, and the media was hoping he had gone to the SouthWest for a surfing holiday which could have been blown up into a media `event`. That he was having a break from driving a truck would have been so disappointing for them.
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+x+x+xas far as alibis go, that one's a beauty Might as well just say he’s famous so we are sweeping it under the carpet Its well known he works on his fathers farm off season. And you cannot drive into the southwest without having an approved reason, and surfing isnt an approved reason. It was news because it was Fyfe, and the media was hoping he had gone to the SouthWest for a surfing holiday which could have been blown up into a media `event`. That he was having a break from driving a truck would have been so disappointing for them. "Its well known he works on his fathers farm off season." Is it? We never get any of the good news in Sydney,
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“I don’t think they [the NRL] are a law unto themselves,” Kelly said. “Some of the players and coaches may think so, but they’re part of society and they have a part – as we have all done – to support not only safety for themselves but for all of us. “We all have a place in this and if we loosen the social distancing measures at the moment it can have an implication down the track. “What we know about this virus, if we don’t have these social distancing measures, [is that] one person can lead to 400 other cases within a month. We just cannot afford at this stage to be considering that happening.” https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/10/nrl-restart-date-paul-kelly-brad-hazzard
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AFL are in the best position. Because they are the equivalent of FIFA. They can change their rules to whatever it takes. Secondly, a reminder from an old article- “AFL is Australia's game: Rupert Murdoch Updated 19/08/2015
After signing a mega-money AFL broadcast deal, News Corp media magnate Rupert Murdoch has served up a thinly veiled attack on the NRL for blocking other media organisations from its own television deal. Last week, the NRL sealed a $925 million, five-year deal with free-to-air broadcaster the Nine Network for the rights to screen four live NRL matches a week, the top-rating State of Origin series and finals. On Tuesday, News Corp's executive chairman pulled no punches at the announcement of a multi-billion dollar TV deal between the AFL, Foxtel, the Seven Network and Telstra. "We've always believed this (AFL) is the premium code in Australia - it's the national game," Murdoch told reporters on Tuesday. "We believe in the strength of the game and we will do everything we can to make it stronger." He also said Foxtel, part owned by News Corp, was putting its money where it believed the station would prosper. Under the AFL deal, the pay TV provider will broadcast all nine games each round. Foxtel will also telecast all finals, except for the grand final, to which Seven holds exclusive rights. When asked whether the AFL deal would affect negotiations with the NRL, Murdoch said: "No, it won't affect the NRL deal". Murdoch added he would not be personally involved in those negotiations. Foxtel is yet to finalise how much it will pay to broadcast the remaining four NRL matches each weekend from 2018 - and possibly simulcast Nine's matches.”
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/afl-is-australia-s-game-rupert-murdoch
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+x+x+x+xas far as alibis go, that one's a beauty Might as well just say he’s famous so we are sweeping it under the carpet Its well known he works on his fathers farm off season. And you cannot drive into the southwest without having an approved reason, and surfing isnt an approved reason. It was news because it was Fyfe, and the media was hoping he had gone to the SouthWest for a surfing holiday which could have been blown up into a media `event`. That he was having a break from driving a truck would have been so disappointing for them. "Its well known he works on his fathers farm off season." Is it? We never get any of the good news in Sydney, To be more precise, its well known in WA.
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Vic and Qld premiers not prepared to play AFL/NRL ARL have now leaked/released a letter from NSW police, after the fact, to say they can play. ——- “The NRL will consider selling off a stake to private investors to ensure it has the financial capability to survive the coronavirus outbreak. “....While sceptics scoffed at the prospect of iconic Australian sporting assets being traded, ARLC chairman Peter V’landys has revealed he is open to the prospect of selling an equity share in the NRL.” https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-for-sale-league-would-consider-private-investment-says-v-landys-20200411-p54j22.htmlNRL is a shambles atm. Won’t post more for now but they are getting hammered on WWOS webpages. Ch9 clearly angry
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If all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
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+xIf all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
A Queensland driver going to the tip was fined on the weekend. How ridiculous is that. Over the top control and policing. However, still too early to contemplate or plan for a complete relaxation but a gradual one is necessary for the sake of the mind and the economy. The plan for end of May for the NRL to start up in some form is still a month and a half away is plausible and I'd like to think we have understood the virus and best measures to take by then that will result with some relaxation of the rules.
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+x+xIf all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
A Queensland driver going to the tip was fined on the weekend. How ridiculous is that. Over the top control and policing. However, still too early to contemplate or plan for a complete relaxation but a gradual one is necessary for the sake of the mind and the economy. The plan for end of May for the NRL to start up in some form is still a month and a half away is plausible and I'd like to think we have understood the virus and best measures to take by then that will result with some relaxation of the rules. Clockwork Orange speaks common sense. The situation with the virus was always going to be a balance of economy vs health but we have gone too far one way. Victoria are even talking about stage 4 restrictions after announcing another 4 weeks of the current lockdown situation, despite a trickle of new cases (most overseas). Every day we lock things down is extra millions that has to be paid for by somebody later down the line. There is no danger in sports being played behind closed doors in Australia given that they are billion dollar industries Australia needs to relax measures (aside from travel, gatherings, and shorelines/airports) and look at a way of controlling this at an LGA or suburb level, not locking down the whole country because of problems in Sydney or Italy The thing to keep in mind though is that even if sports could start up tomorrow, there still needs to be a period of training as players will no doubt be sluggish
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+x+x+xIf all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
A Queensland driver going to the tip was fined on the weekend. How ridiculous is that. Over the top control and policing. However, still too early to contemplate or plan for a complete relaxation but a gradual one is necessary for the sake of the mind and the economy. The plan for end of May for the NRL to start up in some form is still a month and a half away is plausible and I'd like to think we have understood the virus and best measures to take by then that will result with some relaxation of the rules. Clockwork Orange speaks common sense. The situation with the virus was always going to be a balance of economy vs health but we have gone too far one way. Victoria are even talking about stage 4 restrictions after announcing another 4 weeks of the current lockdown situation, despite a trickle of new cases (most overseas). Every day we lock things down is extra millions that has to be paid for by somebody later down the line. There is no danger in sports being played behind closed doors in Australia given that they are billion dollar industries Australia needs to relax measures (aside from travel, gatherings, and shorelines/airports) and look at a way of controlling this at an LGA or suburb level, not locking down the whole country because of problems in Sydney or Italy The thing to keep in mind though is that even if sports could start up tomorrow, there still needs to be a period of training as players will no doubt be sluggish I think it’s harsh to say “they’ve gone too far one way” given that all the relevant numbers suggest they’ve got things right and we can now at least plan an exit from this nightmare that starts in the next 4-5 weeks.
The main criticism from my perspective is they didn’t go hard early, imagine if mandatory 14 day quarantine in hotels had come in two weeks earlier, and cruse ships weren’t allowed to dock and disembark passengers without medical checks, and imagine if senior politicians (including ScoMo) had taken this seriously from the get-go and not looked at the best case and optimistic scenarios instead?
I agree the messaging has been all wrong (stage 4 lock downs etc) which have been out of step with the crisis itself. When we should have been locking down because cases were increasing the messaging was its okay to go to the footy this weekend of attend a massive church rally, then when cases started falling they talked of increasing lock down and have the impression current restrictions could be in place for another six months but within a week started talking about relaxing certain things next week.
You’re right that we need to loosen restrictions. The discussion that should be taking place is what restrictions, when and how. That debate is not taking place - at jest not in public - and it should be.
The economic impact of this is scary, but there’s no moral justification for some people to be allowed to die just so others can turn a profit in a functioning economy.
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The length and contentment the People's Republic of Victoria will go to control its masses reminds me of another country.
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The thing that stikes me about this is that the AFL are talking with both of their broadcast partners, and everyone appears to be in lockstep. A return in July looks more likely than a return in May. NRL doesn't appear to be in the same boat, at the moment - but it's possible the cricket world cup get postponed, and Nine will need rugby league again. How is the FFA/A-League going with its "partners"?
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+x+x+x+xIf all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
A Queensland driver going to the tip was fined on the weekend. How ridiculous is that. Over the top control and policing. However, still too early to contemplate or plan for a complete relaxation but a gradual one is necessary for the sake of the mind and the economy. The plan for end of May for the NRL to start up in some form is still a month and a half away is plausible and I'd like to think we have understood the virus and best measures to take by then that will result with some relaxation of the rules. Clockwork Orange speaks common sense. The situation with the virus was always going to be a balance of economy vs health but we have gone too far one way. Victoria are even talking about stage 4 restrictions after announcing another 4 weeks of the current lockdown situation, despite a trickle of new cases (most overseas). Every day we lock things down is extra millions that has to be paid for by somebody later down the line. There is no danger in sports being played behind closed doors in Australia given that they are billion dollar industries Australia needs to relax measures (aside from travel, gatherings, and shorelines/airports) and look at a way of controlling this at an LGA or suburb level, not locking down the whole country because of problems in Sydney or Italy The thing to keep in mind though is that even if sports could start up tomorrow, there still needs to be a period of training as players will no doubt be sluggish
The economic impact of this is scary, but there’s no moral justification for some people to be allowed to die just so others can turn a profit in a functioning economy. If 60 people dying from the Coronavirus is a tragedy then why not keep the measures in place indefinitely to prevent 2000 people dying from the flu each year? We can't lose sight of what is going on here. This isnt about saving every last life. We have a single strain of a virus we dont fully understand and have decided to contain it instead of letting it spread. And while people might use money against life as a moral argument - poverty, starvation, homelessness, bankruptcy, suicide, family breakdowns, crime, violence etc... is not a better alternative. And that's my point - we have narrowed our focus If 10% of our country was in lockdown instead of 100% then our economic impact would be 1/10th of what it is now. 90% less people wanting government handouts, 90% less damage to the property markets, 90% of schools still open etc... If you cut your leg you dont bandage your whole body. If one region has a total fire ban you don't apply it across the whole country IMO the biggest failure in our response was not understanding what this was and how it was spreading. It is a single flu strain being transmitted from human to human that did not originate here. This is much easier to contain than a virus spread by rodents, birds, or plant life. And we have proven that The next 2 weeks should be dedicated to finding out exactly where this is and how it is spreading and then we need to transition to a local response instead of national or state wide (aside from the measures I mentioned above). This has nothing to do with greed or profit. There are towns that don't have a single case which are going through hardship as a formality
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+x+x+x+x+xIf all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
A Queensland driver going to the tip was fined on the weekend. How ridiculous is that. Over the top control and policing. However, still too early to contemplate or plan for a complete relaxation but a gradual one is necessary for the sake of the mind and the economy. The plan for end of May for the NRL to start up in some form is still a month and a half away is plausible and I'd like to think we have understood the virus and best measures to take by then that will result with some relaxation of the rules. Clockwork Orange speaks common sense. The situation with the virus was always going to be a balance of economy vs health but we have gone too far one way. Victoria are even talking about stage 4 restrictions after announcing another 4 weeks of the current lockdown situation, despite a trickle of new cases (most overseas). Every day we lock things down is extra millions that has to be paid for by somebody later down the line. There is no danger in sports being played behind closed doors in Australia given that they are billion dollar industries Australia needs to relax measures (aside from travel, gatherings, and shorelines/airports) and look at a way of controlling this at an LGA or suburb level, not locking down the whole country because of problems in Sydney or Italy The thing to keep in mind though is that even if sports could start up tomorrow, there still needs to be a period of training as players will no doubt be sluggish
The economic impact of this is scary, but there’s no moral justification for some people to be allowed to die just so others can turn a profit in a functioning economy. If 60 people dying from the Coronavirus is a tragedy then why not keep the measures in place indefinitely to prevent 2000 people dying from the flu each year? We can't lose sight of what is going on here. This isnt about saving every last life. We have a single strain of a virus we dont fully understand and have decided to contain it instead of letting it spread. And while people might use money against life as a moral argument - poverty, starvation, homelessness, bankruptcy, suicide, family breakdowns, crime, violence etc... is not a better alternative. And that's my point - we have narrowed our focus If 10% of our country was in lockdown instead of 100% then our economic impact would be 1/10th of what it is now. 90% less people wanting government handouts, 90% less damage to the property markets, 90% of schools still open etc... If you cut your leg you dont bandage your whole body. If one region has a total fire ban you don't apply it across the whole country IMO the biggest failure in our response was not understanding what this was and how it was spreading. It is a single flu strain being transmitted from human to human that did not originate here. This is much easier to contain than a virus spread by rodents, birds, or plant life. And we have proven that The next 2 weeks should be dedicated to finding out exactly where this is and how it is spreading and then we need to transition to a local response instead of national or state wide (aside from the measures I mentioned above). This has nothing to do with greed or profit. There are towns that don't have a single case which are going through hardship as a formality My main criticism has been the slow initial response that allowed the spread in the first place. We have plans for just this sort of situation, but the health experts were not listened to. I think we all want to re-open as soon as possible. I just want the health experts driving the discussions. I agree that there are towns without a case going through hardship, but how do you differentiate, set up town borders? A lot of these towns are dead scared of grey nomads invading their towns carrying the virus and using what are scarce rural health resources. As for the financial implications - we need to be looking at what we are spending on. Franking credits cash refunds for those that pay no tax will go, ironically when it is not costing much since dividends are low. Billions could be save by backing out of the Joint Strike project that is already obsolete and can be taken out easily by drones.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIf all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
A Queensland driver going to the tip was fined on the weekend. How ridiculous is that. Over the top control and policing. However, still too early to contemplate or plan for a complete relaxation but a gradual one is necessary for the sake of the mind and the economy. The plan for end of May for the NRL to start up in some form is still a month and a half away is plausible and I'd like to think we have understood the virus and best measures to take by then that will result with some relaxation of the rules. Clockwork Orange speaks common sense. The situation with the virus was always going to be a balance of economy vs health but we have gone too far one way. Victoria are even talking about stage 4 restrictions after announcing another 4 weeks of the current lockdown situation, despite a trickle of new cases (most overseas). Every day we lock things down is extra millions that has to be paid for by somebody later down the line. There is no danger in sports being played behind closed doors in Australia given that they are billion dollar industries Australia needs to relax measures (aside from travel, gatherings, and shorelines/airports) and look at a way of controlling this at an LGA or suburb level, not locking down the whole country because of problems in Sydney or Italy The thing to keep in mind though is that even if sports could start up tomorrow, there still needs to be a period of training as players will no doubt be sluggish
The economic impact of this is scary, but there’s no moral justification for some people to be allowed to die just so others can turn a profit in a functioning economy. If 60 people dying from the Coronavirus is a tragedy then why not keep the measures in place indefinitely to prevent 2000 people dying from the flu each year? We can't lose sight of what is going on here. This isnt about saving every last life. We have a single strain of a virus we dont fully understand and have decided to contain it instead of letting it spread. And while people might use money against life as a moral argument - poverty, starvation, homelessness, bankruptcy, suicide, family breakdowns, crime, violence etc... is not a better alternative. And that's my point - we have narrowed our focus If 10% of our country was in lockdown instead of 100% then our economic impact would be 1/10th of what it is now. 90% less people wanting government handouts, 90% less damage to the property markets, 90% of schools still open etc... If you cut your leg you dont bandage your whole body. If one region has a total fire ban you don't apply it across the whole country IMO the biggest failure in our response was not understanding what this was and how it was spreading. It is a single flu strain being transmitted from human to human that did not originate here. This is much easier to contain than a virus spread by rodents, birds, or plant life. And we have proven that The next 2 weeks should be dedicated to finding out exactly where this is and how it is spreading and then we need to transition to a local response instead of national or state wide (aside from the measures I mentioned above). This has nothing to do with greed or profit. There are towns that don't have a single case which are going through hardship as a formality but how do you differentiate, set up town borders? A lot of these towns are dead scared of grey nomads invading their towns carrying the virus and using what are scarce rural health resources. I agree. But the thing to remember is that this virus will be a threat as long as somebody globally has it. Our methods are not perfect. Somebody stays at a hotel for 2 weeks but they are one of the rare cases that don't show symptoms for 3 weeks. Or somebody loading cargo at the docks gets the virus Imagine 6 months down the track, things are business as usual, we discover an outbreak of 15 people in Bondi with the infection. What then? Do we put the whole country into lockdown again, shut down all non essential businesses and reboot the government handout scheme? A national response to our initial slow response and letting 4000 infected people into our country was appropriate because we didn't know where it was. And I still think we are about 2 weeks from lifting the current measures because there are still uncertainties. But we need to transition to a local response (whether that is suburb or LGA) because that is our only practical course of action until a vaccine is widely available given the risks of infections slipping through the cracks. This can be controlled by keeping our strict shoreline/airport measures in place, minimising between town / suburb travel to essential only, and keeping our initial numbers on major events For the next 6-12 months we are going to be pissing our spot fires and that's what we need to prepare for. Identify, react, contain - whether its at the town level, or surrounding regions
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIf all players, coaches and officials are appropriately quarantined and tested, there is absolutely zero reason why they can’t play in empty stadia. The virus can’t be caught from someone who doesn’t have the virus. Apparently you can fly a plane load of infected people into Victoria (yesterday) and test and quarantine them without risking an outbreak, but it’s too hard to do this for sports teams ... even in a months time? State Govts should be working with all industries to find solutions, not telling us that “the worst is yet to come” when we are clearly over the worst of it (assuming we open things up gradually and logically). Officials from all codes should be planning for the earliest sensible start date ... as of today, no one knows when that is. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have multiple options on the table.
A Queensland driver going to the tip was fined on the weekend. How ridiculous is that. Over the top control and policing. However, still too early to contemplate or plan for a complete relaxation but a gradual one is necessary for the sake of the mind and the economy. The plan for end of May for the NRL to start up in some form is still a month and a half away is plausible and I'd like to think we have understood the virus and best measures to take by then that will result with some relaxation of the rules. Clockwork Orange speaks common sense. The situation with the virus was always going to be a balance of economy vs health but we have gone too far one way. Victoria are even talking about stage 4 restrictions after announcing another 4 weeks of the current lockdown situation, despite a trickle of new cases (most overseas). Every day we lock things down is extra millions that has to be paid for by somebody later down the line. There is no danger in sports being played behind closed doors in Australia given that they are billion dollar industries Australia needs to relax measures (aside from travel, gatherings, and shorelines/airports) and look at a way of controlling this at an LGA or suburb level, not locking down the whole country because of problems in Sydney or Italy The thing to keep in mind though is that even if sports could start up tomorrow, there still needs to be a period of training as players will no doubt be sluggish
The economic impact of this is scary, but there’s no moral justification for some people to be allowed to die just so others can turn a profit in a functioning economy. If 60 people dying from the Coronavirus is a tragedy then why not keep the measures in place indefinitely to prevent 2000 people dying from the flu each year? We can't lose sight of what is going on here. This isnt about saving every last life. We have a single strain of a virus we dont fully understand and have decided to contain it instead of letting it spread. And while people might use money against life as a moral argument - poverty, starvation, homelessness, bankruptcy, suicide, family breakdowns, crime, violence etc... is not a better alternative. And that's my point - we have narrowed our focus If 10% of our country was in lockdown instead of 100% then our economic impact would be 1/10th of what it is now. 90% less people wanting government handouts, 90% less damage to the property markets, 90% of schools still open etc... If you cut your leg you dont bandage your whole body. If one region has a total fire ban you don't apply it across the whole country IMO the biggest failure in our response was not understanding what this was and how it was spreading. It is a single flu strain being transmitted from human to human that did not originate here. This is much easier to contain than a virus spread by rodents, birds, or plant life. And we have proven that The next 2 weeks should be dedicated to finding out exactly where this is and how it is spreading and then we need to transition to a local response instead of national or state wide (aside from the measures I mentioned above). This has nothing to do with greed or profit. There are towns that don't have a single case which are going through hardship as a formality but how do you differentiate, set up town borders? A lot of these towns are dead scared of grey nomads invading their towns carrying the virus and using what are scarce rural health resources. I agree. But the thing to remember is that this virus will be a threat as long as somebody globally has it. Our methods are not perfect. Somebody stays at a hotel for 2 weeks but they are one of the rare cases that don't show symptoms for 3 weeks. Or somebody loading cargo at the docks gets the virus Imagine 6 months down the track, things are business as usual, we discover an outbreak of 15 people in Bondi with the infection. What then? Do we put the whole country into lockdown again, shut down all non essential businesses and reboot the government handout scheme? Spot on. The logic and messages from Govts at the moment is bizarre, eg: - We haven't seen the worst of this - But it's ok for kids and teachers in Queensland to go back to school next week - but only the kids of essential services parents - like the ones who may be ambos or police dealing with the general public, or working in hospitals or hotels with quarantined patients - apparently this presents no risk to teachers or other kids? - But we can't even consider sport being played between two teams who have all tested negative - because health and safety is paramount. The way it's looking, Italy and Spain will be 'opening up' before we do - at least their governments are saying they actually want to ease lockdowns as soon as possible. UPDATE - they are actually both easing restrictions tomorrow.
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A couple of points to reinforce why we need to be ready to deal with spot fires into the future so they don't become uncontrollable blazes that need "wider" action and the pace that local outbreaks can grow.
1. Australia went from 80* cases a day to our peak of 395 cases a day in just 8 days while we were using mitigation measures. It took 16 days to reduce that back down to 80 cases a day using tougher suppression measures.
2. The Advocate details the local outbreak of Covid-19 in North West Tasmania :-
3 April - 2 cases total
4 April - 3
5 April - 5
6 April - 7
7 April - 15
8 April - 23
9 April - 27
10 April - 38
11 April - 49
12 April - 60 cases total.
As a result of the outbreak in NW Tasmania the two hospitals have been closed down for specialist cleaning with patients transferred elsewhere in the state and 1000 staff and their families etc, total 5,000, put into lockdown for a fortnight. This outbreak also has ramifications elsewhere in the state. When I went to the eye hospital in Launceston last Thursday for my 2-monthly eye injections I had to declare that I hadn't visited NW Tasmania in the last fortnight. If I had I wouldn't have been allowed to enter the eye hospital and have the procedure.
* figures are 5 day running averages.
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The promising thing to me is the recoveries are running faster than the new cases at this stage. As the active case load becomes smaller the onerous task of tracing will be come smaller.
Once you get to a manageable level the ability to test more widely in the community to allow for opening up areas will also increase.
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+xA couple of points to reinforce why we need to be ready to deal with spot fires into the future so they don't become uncontrollable blazes that need "wider" action and the pace that local outbreaks can grow. 1. Australia went from 80* cases a day to our peak of 395 cases a day in just 8 days while we were using mitigation measures. It took 16 days to reduce that back down to 80 cases a day using tougher suppression measures. If an Australian caught the virus in Spain, that isn't a threat to Australia. If they then went into a hotel for lockdown, it isn't a threat to us either Analysing the data of those who caught the virus overseas serves little point. We had a steady flow of people coming back from overseas and a varying number of people were infected. It doesn't reflect what is happening in the community and how much is a threat to the average Australian When we were 3000 cases we were in the top 20 (19th) and neck and neck with countries like Brazil. Now we are 30th while countries we were neck and neck with have over 20000 cases. We now have 6000 cases, but again it reflects this ratio of 50% people from overseas passing it on to known people, and 30% of those people transmitting it in the community If we had locked down our shorelines first, and then implemented lockdown measures this thing would have been done and dusted by now I'm not saying you are wrong about transmission being a threat. There are several instances of people infecting 30-40 people in a single event (as you pointed out). One case can become dozens in a single night and given the 2 week "silent" period it could be in 5-10 different towns before we even know its a problem (which is why I said we need to restrict travel) What I am saying is our data is deceptive and it shouldn't be used to talk about peaks and curves because it doesn't represent instances of the virus being caught in Australia. We don't know what impact our lockdown measures had and how fast they can knock out an infected region
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I know it's tempting, but just remember why this club was created in the first place, not to win the hearts of two Californian billionaire venture capitalists, however good a blokes they are, but to create a new heartland for Australian rules football and beat soccer to the punch. https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/caroline-wilson-hits-out-at-private-ownership-model-gws-gillon-mclachlan/70540197-dff3-4339-8382-7bc231de55ab
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What benefit do foreigners get from putting their cash in to an AFL franchise? At least with an A-League franchise, there is the prospect of revenue through transfers, as well as the potential for foreign exposure into Asia. I just don't see what anyone gets from owning an AFL franchise, short of absolutely loving the game.
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+xWhat benefit do foreigners get from putting their cash in to an AFL franchise? At least with an A-League franchise, there is the prospect of revenue through transfers, as well as the potential for foreign exposure into Asia. I just don't see what anyone gets from owning an AFL franchise, short of absolutely loving the game. I agree. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants make bigger losses than maybe any other sporting club in Australia. The AFL has to pump in $25 million every year. Who would want to pay big money for such a club, which just guarantees you'll be pumping in $25 million per annum for the next 20 years. That's $500 million, with zero chance of getting one cent back. Who the hell would want to do that? Especially in the current environment where TV deals and sponsorship revenue are both plummetting.
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+x+xWhat benefit do foreigners get from putting their cash in to an AFL franchise? At least with an A-League franchise, there is the prospect of revenue through transfers, as well as the potential for foreign exposure into Asia. I just don't see what anyone gets from owning an AFL franchise, short of absolutely loving the game. I agree. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants make bigger losses than maybe any other sporting club in Australia. The AFL has to pump in $25 million every year. Who would want to pay big money for such a club, which just guarantees you'll be pumping in $25 million per annum for the next 20 years. That's $500 million, with zero chance of getting one cent back. Who the hell would want to do that? Especially in the current environment where TV deals and sponsorship revenue are both plummetting. AFL is nothing more than a goldfish with a bad case of whale envy.
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+x+x+xWhat benefit do foreigners get from putting their cash in to an AFL franchise? At least with an A-League franchise, there is the prospect of revenue through transfers, as well as the potential for foreign exposure into Asia. I just don't see what anyone gets from owning an AFL franchise, short of absolutely loving the game. I agree. Just doesn't make sense. The Giants make bigger losses than maybe any other sporting club in Australia. The AFL has to pump in $25 million every year. Who would want to pay big money for such a club, which just guarantees you'll be pumping in $25 million per annum for the next 20 years. That's $500 million, with zero chance of getting one cent back. Who the hell would want to do that? Especially in the current environment where TV deals and sponsorship revenue are both plummetting. AFL is nothing more than a goldfish with a bad case of whale envy. I understand that, but it doesn't really explain why two Americans would be interested in buying a club which loses more money than any other sporting club in Australia.
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"to create a new heartland for Australian rules football and beat soccer(football) to the punch" What the fuck is she even talking about here? Western Sydney has been a football heartland for years and it is because people play and follow the game there, not because someone pumped a heap of money in to create one club. I will personally be popping champagne bottles when GWS fold.
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+xWhat benefit do foreigners get from putting their cash in to an AFL franchise? At least with an A-League franchise, there is the prospect of revenue through transfers, as well as the potential for foreign exposure into Asia. I just don't see what anyone gets from owning an AFL franchise, short of absolutely loving the game. The revenue they used to make from TV rights was phenomenal. They had a billion dollar deal, iirc. It was a record in Australian sport. The sport won't grow a yard outside the border of certain Australian states. But the TV rights were lucrative. In fact, apparently, it was a bit too lucrative. Still, unfortunately, all manner of bogans watch AFL and exploiting that has made the AFL lots of money. Still, it appears that however much money they made from their TV deals, the AFL and its clubs weren't too financially savvy.
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With financial help reportedly secured, the most pressing issue now is to work on governments to get the season back underway.
In the spectrum of power games currently being played in rugby league, Peter V’landys and the NRL appear to now have the upper hand following a reported injection of $250m, secured through a loan from a consortium of British banks. The threats from broadcasters, who seemingly had the game over a barrel last week, now square off with an aggressive NRL who are holding the aces. Nine can no longer threaten the viability of the league. Participants will be brought into the tent through the ability to offer financial security. The tables have turned and they have turned in favour of the NRL. V’landys has been bullish about a 28 May return in spite of significant broadcaster backlash, government trepidation and internal disagreement about how the competition would be structured. He now looks like that confidence was well placed. Nine looked to have scuppered the hopes of an early NRL return last week when they launched a scathing attack on the league in a thinly-veiled attempt to exit the current broadcasting arrangement that current management appear unhappy with. The broadcaster blamed the NRL for “mismanagement of the code over many years” and claimed the league “wasted those funds” brought in from broadcasting arrangements, “squandered by a bloated head office”.
Nine CEO Hugh Marks met with V’landys at Racing NSW offices on Tuesday, a meeting described by a buoyant V’landys as “constructive”. News Limited publications on Wednesday reported, however, that Nine want the 2020 season scrapped and a new two-year reworked deal signed. Nine newspapers meanwhile reported this would mean dropping Thursday Night Football coverage, forcing Fox Sports to drop the Friday 6pm game and removing simulcasting, with Nine’s outlay to be significantly less than what it currently pays the game.
While Fox Sports have been far less vocal about their views on what the game needs to look like in 2020 despite missing their 1 April payment to the NRL, their subscription-driven model means they would likely welcome a return as soon as possible.
Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/15/tables-turn-with-nrls-viability-no-longer-threatened-by-broadcaster-backlash
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