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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. The AHPPC received specialist advice in giving its advice from the CDNA which has at its membership a medical representative from each of the 9 commonwealth, state and territory health department plus representatives with professorial status from the Australian Society for Infectious Diseases, the Australian Society of Microbiology, the National Centre for Epidemiology and Public Health and the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity in Society plus various other organisations. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Relevant is probably not the right word here. CDNA said that - Lewin said differently. Lewin and the Doherty Institute also advise the Federal Government. There was division among experts on whether or not to close schools and on the infectiousness of kids. With those unknowns, I think, at the end of March it was smarter to err on the side of caution (as did Professor Lewin). Professor Lewin is one of the leading experts on infectious diseases in the world. That not to slight the CDNA and their specialist advice.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. The AHPPC received specialist advice in giving its advice from the CDNA which has at its membership a medical representative from each of the 9 commonwealth, state and territory health department plus representatives with professorial status from the Australian Society for Infectious Diseases, the Australian Society of Microbiology, the National Centre for Epidemiology and Public Health and the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity in Society plus various other organisations. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Relevant is probably not the right word here. CDNA said that - Lewin said differently. Lewin and the Doherty Institute also advise the Federal Government. There was division among experts on whether or not to close schools and on the infectiousness of kids. With those unknowns, I think, at the end of March it was smarter to err on the side of caution (as did Professor Lewin). Professor Lewin is one of the leading experts on infectious diseases in the world. That not to slight the CDNA and their specialist advice. @quickflick Thanks for that response.
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“For Australian football, in particular the A-League, it could quite be the tonic it needs. The Covid-19 crisis has seen the competition suspended until further notice but even before this, it was teetering. As interest waned in recent seasons due to poor crowds and low television audiences, somehow the game needed a shot in the arm. This is the perfect time for the A-League to reset. The answer is simple. You know the Big Bash of cricket. We need the Big Bash of soccer. "I'm already talking to the FFA (Football Federation Australia) about it. We need to re-engage people's interest in the game," he said. Incredibly, it's an idea he's already piloted to Football's governing body FIFA over 20 years ago. In 1998, well before The Big Bash of cricket concept got up and running, the World Soccer 6ix's at Amsterdam Arena demonstrated Johnston's ability to create a new, made for modern television product. Conveniently played in a January winter break, Liverpool, AC Milan, Glasgow Rangers and Ajax of Amsterdam, with all their stars, played out a mini-tournament in front of a packed arena. I spent loads of money putting it together. The best players in the world, smaller pitch, six-a-side, entertainment, dancers, singers, like a half time break at the Super Bowl that doesn't stop. If you think this sounds like "pie in the sky" when it comes to delivering this in Australia, then guess again. The wheels have already been in motion, the project pilot already shot in Newcastle last year and now Johnston's in the FFA's ear on how to roll it out. He even has a production company making a documentary on how he's doing it.
"If it works it'll be a good doco and if it fails, it'll still be a good doco," Johnston laughed.”
https://10daily.com.au/news/sport/a200418xshnd/craig-johnstons-legacy-isnt-over-with-his-plan-to-kick-off-big-bash-of-soccer-20200419
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The new FFArnie, in association with Johnson & Johnston, proudly presents...."The Big Bash of Soccer" !!
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Fucks sake. Johnston should be banned from being interviewed. Great player, flog of a bloke.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ... Oh boy!! They warned what would happen if Australia didn't implement the right social distancing measures. Australia did implement the right measures (more-or-less) and has managed to prevent the health system being overwhelmed. Hats off to the experts.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. The AHPPC received specialist advice in giving its advice from the CDNA which has at its membership a medical representative from each of the 9 commonwealth, state and territory health department plus representatives with professorial status from the Australian Society for Infectious Diseases, the Australian Society of Microbiology, the National Centre for Epidemiology and Public Health and the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity in Society plus various other organisations. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Relevant is probably not the right word here. CDNA said that - Lewin said differently. Lewin and the Doherty Institute also advise the Federal Government. There was division among experts on whether or not to close schools and on the infectiousness of kids. With those unknowns, I think, at the end of March it was smarter to err on the side of caution (as did Professor Lewin). Professor Lewin is one of the leading experts on infectious diseases in the world. That not to slight the CDNA and their specialist advice. @quickflick Thanks for that response. No dramas. As I say, I'm talking about what they should have done in March. My opinion then (much the same as Sharon Lewin's) was to batten down the hatches and to stop in-person delivery of lessons (for all children except those whose parents work in actual essential services). So, overall, I'm happy with how the Federal Government handled things in terms of social distancing measures. From this point, it looks as if they can start to ease restrictions a bit (and, imo, gradually returning to in-person delivery of lessons is the right thing).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ... Oh boy!! They warned what would happen if Australia didn't implement the right social distancing measures. Australia did implement the right measures (more-or-less) and has managed to prevent the health system being overwhelmed. Hats off to the experts. Nope. No caveats. But the rewriting of history has certainly begun. All the expert models were “just worst case predictions”, right? By the time this is all over, expert predictions of tens of thousands of dead Australians will be forgotten. As will the kowtowing to the WHO back in February, and the accusations of racism for daring to stop Chinese students returning. These ‘experts’ have been weeks behind the play all along and now, instead of already having an exit plan they are wanting to test more people who don’t have the virus. So, looks like about 20 more cases today ... is that good or bad? My guess is they’ll opt for do nothing. These ‘experts’ have zero to gain by getting people back to work so of course they’ll take no risk at all? Down to less than 50 serious cases across the country. You don’t have to be an expert to deduce that the idea of a rampant hidden virus throughout the community is a myth. In three weeks time the ‘experts’ may have concluded the same.
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+xFucks sake. Johnston should be banned from being interviewed. Great player, flog of a bloke. Craig Johnstone hasn't been told enough times to just fuck off from Australian football. Blokes a fucking clown.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ... Oh boy!! They warned what would happen if Australia didn't implement the right social distancing measures. Australia did implement the right measures (more-or-less) and has managed to prevent the health system being overwhelmed. Hats off to the experts. Nope. No caveats. But the rewriting of history has certainly begun. All the expert models were “just worst case predictions”, right? By the time this is all over, expert predictions of tens of thousands of dead Australians will be forgotten. As will the kowtowing to the WHO back in February, and the accusations of racism for daring to stop Chinese students returning. These ‘experts’ have been weeks behind the play all along and now, instead of already having an exit plan they are wanting to test more people who don’t have the virus. So, looks like about 20 more cases today ... is that good or bad? My guess is they’ll opt for do nothing. These ‘experts’ have zero to gain by getting people back to work so of course they’ll take no risk at all? Down to less than 50 serious cases across the country. You don’t have to be an expert to deduce that the idea of a rampant hidden virus throughout the community is a myth. In three weeks time the ‘experts’ may have concluded the same.
A prediction made at the start of the epidemic was, "Its when people start bitching that the measures were not necessary, that we will know that they have worked"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ... Oh boy!! They warned what would happen if Australia didn't implement the right social distancing measures. Australia did implement the right measures (more-or-less) and has managed to prevent the health system being overwhelmed. Hats off to the experts. Nope. No caveats. But the rewriting of history has certainly begun. All the expert models were “just worst case predictions”, right? By the time this is all over, expert predictions of tens of thousands of dead Australians will be forgotten. As will the kowtowing to the WHO back in February, and the accusations of racism for daring to stop Chinese students returning. These ‘experts’ have been weeks behind the play all along and now, instead of already having an exit plan they are wanting to test more people who don’t have the virus. So, looks like about 20 more cases today ... is that good or bad? My guess is they’ll opt for do nothing. These ‘experts’ have zero to gain by getting people back to work so of course they’ll take no risk at all? Down to less than 50 serious cases across the country. You don’t have to be an expert to deduce that the idea of a rampant hidden virus throughout the community is a myth. In three weeks time the ‘experts’ may have concluded the same.
A prediction made at the start of the epidemic was, "Its when people start bitching that the measures were not necessary, that we will know that they have worked" Yep we still have people saying Y2K bug was a hoax. My first programming job was in 1984 replacing an old system. One criteria even at that stage was that it had to be Y2K compliant.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ... Oh boy!! They warned what would happen if Australia didn't implement the right social distancing measures. Australia did implement the right measures (more-or-less) and has managed to prevent the health system being overwhelmed. Hats off to the experts. Nope. No caveats. But the rewriting of history has certainly begun. All the expert models were “just worst case predictions”, right? By the time this is all over, expert predictions of tens of thousands of dead Australians will be forgotten. As will the kowtowing to the WHO back in February, and the accusations of racism for daring to stop Chinese students returning. These ‘experts’ have been weeks behind the play all along and now, instead of already having an exit plan they are wanting to test more people who don’t have the virus. So, looks like about 20 more cases today ... is that good or bad? My guess is they’ll opt for do nothing. These ‘experts’ have zero to gain by getting people back to work so of course they’ll take no risk at all? Down to less than 50 serious cases across the country. You don’t have to be an expert to deduce that the idea of a rampant hidden virus throughout the community is a myth. In three weeks time the ‘experts’ may have concluded the same.
You actually have no idea at all. This post is an exercise in sustained ignorance.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ... Oh boy!! They warned what would happen if Australia didn't implement the right social distancing measures. Australia did implement the right measures (more-or-less) and has managed to prevent the health system being overwhelmed. Hats off to the experts. Nope. No caveats. But the rewriting of history has certainly begun. All the expert models were “just worst case predictions”, right? By the time this is all over, expert predictions of tens of thousands of dead Australians will be forgotten. As will the kowtowing to the WHO back in February, and the accusations of racism for daring to stop Chinese students returning. These ‘experts’ have been weeks behind the play all along and now, instead of already having an exit plan they are wanting to test more people who don’t have the virus. So, looks like about 20 more cases today ... is that good or bad? My guess is they’ll opt for do nothing. These ‘experts’ have zero to gain by getting people back to work so of course they’ll take no risk at all? Down to less than 50 serious cases across the country. You don’t have to be an expert to deduce that the idea of a rampant hidden virus throughout the community is a myth. In three weeks time the ‘experts’ may have concluded the same.
You actually have no idea at all. This post is an exercise in sustained ignorance. And here comes charlied adding nothing but an insult... we’ll done. Come on charlied, have an opinion. Do you believe there are lots of undetected cases or not many?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSurely the gig will be up soon. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of potential cases undetected in the community ... and the dangers these pose. Yet there’s still no surge in serious cases and hospitalisation (which in fact are going down). The government will have us believe that whereas a few hundred cases on cruise ships resulted in tens of serious/critical cases, hospitalisation and deaths, the many thousands of hidden/undetected cases in the community result in virtually no serious/critical cases. It is not believable. A far more believable scenario is that we’ve largely tamed this, there are bugger all cases in most communities, our hospitals are nowhere near maxing out, and the majority of us should be able to go back to a semi-normal life. Yes all that but then look at what's happening in the UK. 12000 deaths. (Possibly 16k). That could just as easily be us if we take the foot off the pedal. That’s not quite the way it works.
For a start the UK had a “herd immunity” strategy then pulled a massive u-turn when they realised the number of deaths would be too high.
Once the virus is contained then you can take the foot off the pedal without risking the UK outcome - WA, SA and NT must be very close to going that. QLD is not far behind but keeps importing cases from NSWs so harder to do until NSWs gets a better grip.
That's a misinterpretation of the sequencing of events. Both the UK and Australia had an unofficial herd immunity approach until around the same time. Strictly speaking, the UK introduced stricter social distancing measures before Australia did. While the UK was being (rightly) accused of pursuing a thinly-veiled herd immunity policy... Australia had much the same approach at that point. This Q&A episode aired exactly a month ago. Professor Bill Bowtell, from the Kirby Institute for Infection and Immunity, accused the Federal Government of taking the herd immunity approach. Behind closed doors, the government was prepping in this way. At the same time that this episode aired (mid-March), a team from Imperial College in London, headed by Neil Ferguson, published modelling which suggested that COVID-19 would overwhelm the UK's ICU capacity. They argued that the virus is too infectious and that countless people would die of the virus (and other things, too) owing to a lack of beds and ventilators. Here's the report. After being presented with this modelling, thankfully, Boris pulled the massive u-turn which you mention. Australia followed suit. But the notion that Australia is different to the UK because it wasn't pursuing the herd immunity approach while the UK was... that's wrong. The difference, thankfully, is that we're further behind the epidemic curve. So our adoption of the necessary social distancing measures wasn't too late. Fair enough. I’m probably appearing too kind to Australia who, had they have shut the borders two weeks earlier and handled cruise ships properly, would have saved much of the current mess - although with tourism, University’s and exports flogged it would still hurt. From the outset though people have looked for generic responses to what is a bespoke crisis by country. Australia has been on its own “curve” since this began and looks to be adopting a more cautious exit approach than many harder-hit European countries and certainly the USA. Yeah 100%. I think Australia's strategy has been good ( except I think I'd probably shut schools, but that's about it). Overall, it has been good so far. Education is an essential resource like police, fire, or hospital. Yet people seem to think "ZOMG!!! hundreds of kids associating with each other lets close it down!!!" First of all our approach is pre-emptive rather than reactive. 3 new cases in total over night in Victoria, less than 200 kids Australia wide infected in total (and some no doubt overseas cases), only 2 or 3 news articles about kids at school with the infection. Yet most kids (well over 90%) are now learning from home Secondly do you think online learning programs whipped together in 3 weeks are effective? What about disadvantaged kids, those with learning disabilities, kids from non supportive home environments, indigenous or kids from ethnic origins, etc.... Also how are kids supposed to replicate science labs, wood shops, electronics, home economics etc... from home? What about group learning or peer support? People who look at school and thin it can be taken offline have never been. Our education system has become nothing more than a way for the privileged percent of kids to learn English and Maths. Paranoid parents who pulled their kids out of school and now want everyone to follow suit so their kid can get an education I can understand a 4 week school shut down in hard hit regions at a strategic time. But a state wide shut down when we barely have a problem is only going to write off an entire term for every kid trying to study this year. And if people can get refunds for services they aren't paying for then what does that mean for money currently supporting our education system? It would have been better for Australia to keep school holidays for another 2 weeks and extend the school term (last 2 weeks is prep for next year anyhow) than to implement learning from home. This can be managed through strict social distancing policies, rules of sending any kid who so much as sneezes home, and keeping teachers in the vulnerable age group at home. And since schools are local based enrolments any virus breakout would be local I pity anybody child who wanted an education this year A couple of things. Education is an essential service (in the long run). In the short run, we can adapt. It's horrendous. With the right resources and approaches, a few months interruption is no reason why a student reach their goals. Also, I should have said - I think the government should have shut down schools. I agree with Professor Sharon Lewin from the Doherty Institute on that. Several weeks ago - so much was unknown and the government needed to scramble to increase ICU capacity, to acquire ventilators (or to have them produced), etc. The degree to which children are infectious was unknown (still is, I gather). At that point, there were too many unknowns and it was necessary to err on the side of caution (as Professor Lewin said). Obviously, the closing of schools has varied from state and territory to state and territory. But perhaps you and I have common ground insofar as I think we're nearing the point where it would, in any case, be fine for schools to reopen (with the measures in place which you have mentioned). Since the necessary scrambling has taken place. As you say, education is an essential service. The idea was never to keep schools closed forever. It was simply to buy time so as to avoid the situation that has occurred elsewhere in the world. Why would you believe that Lewin's views are more relevant than the advice given by the CDNA? Umm, I don’t know, but this is what experts were saying in mid March. “Australia's hospitals will be swamped by thousands of coronavirus patients within a month and push an already strained health system beyond its limits, experts say.” Not sure it quite happened as the experts predicted ... Oh boy!! They warned what would happen if Australia didn't implement the right social distancing measures. Australia did implement the right measures (more-or-less) and has managed to prevent the health system being overwhelmed. Hats off to the experts. Nope. No caveats. But the rewriting of history has certainly begun. All the expert models were “just worst case predictions”, right? By the time this is all over, expert predictions of tens of thousands of dead Australians will be forgotten. As will the kowtowing to the WHO back in February, and the accusations of racism for daring to stop Chinese students returning. These ‘experts’ have been weeks behind the play all along and now, instead of already having an exit plan they are wanting to test more people who don’t have the virus. So, looks like about 20 more cases today ... is that good or bad? My guess is they’ll opt for do nothing. These ‘experts’ have zero to gain by getting people back to work so of course they’ll take no risk at all? Down to less than 50 serious cases across the country. You don’t have to be an expert to deduce that the idea of a rampant hidden virus throughout the community is a myth. In three weeks time the ‘experts’ may have concluded the same.
A prediction made at the start of the epidemic was, "Its when people start bitching that the measures were not necessary, that we will know that they have worked" So you and I both agree they have worked? So if they have worked, now what .........
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Cricket Australia is dire straights.
Heard on the radio they had cash reserves over $100M and some of it went into shares.
Players are on a rise and fall revenue based agreement, T20 WC in doubt and even if goes ahead no crowds = no gate receipts, India were also scheduled to tour this summer which is the big cash cow for CA.
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“Rugby league legend Mark Geyer has offered up his top five candidates to become the NRL’s next chief executive officer. 4 - DAVID GALLOP Arguably one of our most successful since the (John) Quayle regime, which was 30 odd years ago. He oversaw a lot of drama, salary cap drama with the Storm. (He had) 10 years in the hot seat of one of the hardest jobs to do, and I think he would be a cool and calming influence on the head role. Come back, Dave.”
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/a-former-afl-boss-and-the-man-who-decided-storm-sanction-legends-top-5-ceo-candidates/news-story/f87fea8b3f02a9537aff7ce1f9781e14
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Supports the idea that Gallop was an NRL mole tasked with destroying in the A League.
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so cricket that is always chest beating pretending they're healthy...all lies.
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“The 2019-20 season in the Netherlands has been canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic, with leaders Ajax denied the league title and no relegation from the Eredivisie and no promotion from the second tier.” https://www.espn.com/soccer/ajax-amsterdam/story/4088830/coronavirus-sees-2019-20-dutch-season-cancelled-with-ajax-denied-title
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Bundesliga still pushing on with plans to resume next month. Sounds like they are under broadcasting contract pressure, Sounds familiar.
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The championship had only just started and was only 1 game in to the tournament, so there was no big deal about champions etc. From what I've seen, pro/rel is not going to happen this season, but qualification for continental competitions has still been allocated as per normal averaging (promedios) table based on the results of the previous 2 tournaments.
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“When you hear the name Red Star Belgrade, you think of the famous 1991 European Cup winners. You think of Serbia's most successful football side with 30 titles, the grand Rajko Mitic Stadium and Red Star Belgrade's basketball team from the famous multi-sports club. Belgrade is a city steeped in history and known for its passion for football and basketball. It is not synonymous with rugby league. But one Australian is changing that. ..... Red Star had intended to apply to the Rugby Football League for a place in League 1 – the third tier in the United Kingdom – possibly as soon as 2021. However, the coronavirus pandemic scuppered those plans, with Kleyweg now focusing on forming a European club competition.” https://www.sportingnews.com/au/league/news/red-star-belgrade-rugby-league-team/fdc9kg7qqk8d1iuvl7bnkxbdz
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Premier League making plans to restart in early June despite UK still having thousands of new cases today. Premier League must be worse than NRL, eh? Fancy making plans weeks in advance.
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The important thing that needs to be remembered is that Australia's game plan is suppression, not elimination That means somebody is going to catch it. There will be a small outbreak. A work place will be shut down. A school may be shut down. A town may go through lock down. A player might get it. A whole team may contract it But that's OK because with our suppression approach we have the resources to manage (say) 50 cases a day instead of what would have been thousands a week For the people pushing fear and sensationalised statistics anything we experience over the next few months will be ammo for their "I told you so" or "you should have listened to me" even though the minimal outbreaks we'll have to cope with are not on the scale that they were predicting If Australia lose sight of its current game plan then we'll be stuck in lockdown in fear that 1 virus reported can turn us into Italy or USA We had games behind closed doors when our outbreak was at its worse. We should just go back to stage 2 restrictions and manage whatever comes our way. Anybody hoping for zero cases is kidding themselves
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Summed up by Scott Morrison today: "We have had great success in flattening our curve, that is obvious. But having a low number of cases but having Australians out of work, having a low number of cases and children not receiving in classroom education, having a low number of cases and businesses not being open, having a low number of cases and Australians not able to be going about their as normal lives as possible, that is not what success looks like."
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“The 2019-20 Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 seasons were brought to a sudden end due to the coronavirus pandemic on Tuesday. French prime minister Edouard Philippe announced in a speech to the National Assembly that professional football will not be able to resume before September.”
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/football/news/coronavirus-ligue-1-season-ended-due-to-pandemic/1pajcpbcz0xim18qgge32t5vsm
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