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“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html
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+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html This would be great.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry - that has now been granted a couple of hours ago!! NSW Health Minister though is saying that they have not given the go ahead as they have not seen any plans. If the plans meet the criteria (AND THERE WILL BE NO FAVOURITISM SHOWN) then it will get the go ahead. This is in line with what the police commissioner has already said At this point, it DOES look like the two state governments are showing favourtism towards the NRL. For starters, NSW is still the most affected state in the whole of Australia. Hazzard actually sounded pretty pissed off that the NRL are verbally them. I think they would be better off working with the NSW government rather than pissing them off. Yet in Queensland, the Premier (and I am no fan) has this to say: “I said I was as keen as anyone else to see the NRL return and I meant it,” she said.
“The only condition was that it did not put our excellent work containing the spread of COVID-19 at risk and the Chief Health Officer advises that the NRL plan is workable.
“First round games will be played in Queensland and of course I put in a bid for a local grand final and we all look forward to hosting the State of Origin.”
Perhaps the FFA and NSW government could collaborate on a May 2021 start for the A-league ... just so both parties are comfortable they are not being rushed into it.
Hazzard was actually pretty pissed off all round. All the questions before that were to do with Aged Care. He was at pains to say how he thought things had been done wrong - but then added that it was a Commonwealth responsibility as was border security and the NSW health department were doing great work (all while inferring that we would be in a lot better place if the Federal responsibilities had been handled as well). You only have to google a few articles to understand that the Ruby Princess was NOT Border Force’s responsibility. Border Force doesn’t have a health department. Police investigation will resolve it anyway. It’s pretty obvious which state has been worst at handling this whole thing. Haz(z)ard is just deflecting and running scared. I t is there statutory responsibility. Morrison also explicitly said it was Border Forces call before anyone was released. You may say that this is a semantic argument but responsibility and operating under authority from those responsible are two different things. Border Force can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility. That is management 101, They may not have a Health department but they needed to have governance structure over the situation. i.e. Establish (probably in consultation with the federal CMO who is responsible for biosecurity what criteria needs to be met before anyone was let off the ship). This was not done. Border Force Commissioner Michael Outram has hit back at claims Border Force officials were responsible for letting coronavirus infected passengers off the Ruby Princess cruise ship in Sydney, saying the health assessment was the job of NSW Health.Mr Outram said health officials, not Border Force, had judged the ship low risk, and had cleared passengers under the Biosecurity Act to disembark. They had not boarded the ship to check."What broke down in this case was ... health officers, trained doctors or nurses didn't get on board the vessel, swab passengers and take their swabs for results," he said.The ship has now been blamed for spreading coronavirus,with passengers in several states, including at least five in the ACT, testing positive. So far, 133 passengers have tested positive, and on Tuesday one died. Mr Outram held a press conference on Wednesday to defend Border Force, after The Australian newspaper reported that NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian had told her party room meeting that border force officials had wrongly advised NSW Health that the ship was low risk.Mr Outram said his officers were responsible for ensuring there was no contraband and ensuring everyone had visas. The Department of Agriculture had the biosecurity responsibility, he said.So basically NSW Health were operating under the authority of Border Force and.or the Department of Agriculture while being overseen by the responsible body. T hey had been given authority and stuffed up - but really it was not their responsibility. The buck stops with the people that are responsible. To the extent that Border Force had done anything in terms of governance NSW health followed the followed national guidelines (set by Border Force) which allow passengers to disembark if the route is considered "low risk". The Ruby Princess was given that status because it had been to New Zealand only. So basically, as your post states, Border Force acted on the recommendations of the medical ‘experts’ - NSW Health. And NSW Health got it wrong. If a doctor says a player is low risk of re-injuring if he plays, should the coach take that advice, or just keep the player on the bench indefinitely.
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+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html Wonder why it has taken 100 years for someone to think of this?
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Allows Qatar to do the "Winter" world cup.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSorry - that has now been granted a couple of hours ago!! NSW Health Minister though is saying that they have not given the go ahead as they have not seen any plans. If the plans meet the criteria (AND THERE WILL BE NO FAVOURITISM SHOWN) then it will get the go ahead. This is in line with what the police commissioner has already said At this point, it DOES look like the two state governments are showing favourtism towards the NRL. For starters, NSW is still the most affected state in the whole of Australia. Hazzard actually sounded pretty pissed off that the NRL are verbally them. I think they would be better off working with the NSW government rather than pissing them off. Yet in Queensland, the Premier (and I am no fan) has this to say: “I said I was as keen as anyone else to see the NRL return and I meant it,” she said.
“The only condition was that it did not put our excellent work containing the spread of COVID-19 at risk and the Chief Health Officer advises that the NRL plan is workable.
“First round games will be played in Queensland and of course I put in a bid for a local grand final and we all look forward to hosting the State of Origin.”
Perhaps the FFA and NSW government could collaborate on a May 2021 start for the A-league ... just so both parties are comfortable they are not being rushed into it.
Hazzard was actually pretty pissed off all round. All the questions before that were to do with Aged Care. He was at pains to say how he thought things had been done wrong - but then added that it was a Commonwealth responsibility as was border security and the NSW health department were doing great work (all while inferring that we would be in a lot better place if the Federal responsibilities had been handled as well). You only have to google a few articles to understand that the Ruby Princess was NOT Border Force’s responsibility. Border Force doesn’t have a health department. Police investigation will resolve it anyway. It’s pretty obvious which state has been worst at handling this whole thing. Haz(z)ard is just deflecting and running scared. I t is there statutory responsibility. Morrison also explicitly said it was Border Forces call before anyone was released. You may say that this is a semantic argument but responsibility and operating under authority from those responsible are two different things. Border Force can delegate authority but you cannot delegate responsibility. That is management 101, They may not have a Health department but they needed to have governance structure over the situation. i.e. Establish (probably in consultation with the federal CMO who is responsible for biosecurity what criteria needs to be met before anyone was let off the ship). This was not done. Border Force Commissioner Michael Outram has hit back at claims Border Force officials were responsible for letting coronavirus infected passengers off the Ruby Princess cruise ship in Sydney, saying the health assessment was the job of NSW Health.Mr Outram said health officials, not Border Force, had judged the ship low risk, and had cleared passengers under the Biosecurity Act to disembark. They had not boarded the ship to check."What broke down in this case was ... health officers, trained doctors or nurses didn't get on board the vessel, swab passengers and take their swabs for results," he said.The ship has now been blamed for spreading coronavirus,with passengers in several states, including at least five in the ACT, testing positive. So far, 133 passengers have tested positive, and on Tuesday one died. Mr Outram held a press conference on Wednesday to defend Border Force, after The Australian newspaper reported that NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian had told her party room meeting that border force officials had wrongly advised NSW Health that the ship was low risk.Mr Outram said his officers were responsible for ensuring there was no contraband and ensuring everyone had visas. The Department of Agriculture had the biosecurity responsibility, he said.So basically NSW Health were operating under the authority of Border Force and.or the Department of Agriculture while being overseen by the responsible body. T hey had been given authority and stuffed up - but really it was not their responsibility. The buck stops with the people that are responsible. To the extent that Border Force had done anything in terms of governance NSW health followed the followed national guidelines (set by Border Force) which allow passengers to disembark if the route is considered "low risk". The Ruby Princess was given that status because it had been to New Zealand only. So basically, as your post states, Border Force acted on the recommendations of the medical ‘experts’ - NSW Health. And NSW Health got it wrong. If a doctor says a player is low risk of re-injuring if he plays, should the coach take that advice, or just keep the player on the bench indefinitely. No - they acted on the recommendation of the Federal CMO. In this instance the Federal CMO advised Border Force who made the decision they were responsible for and told NSW Health how to act. When NSW acted the way they were advised Border Force blamed NSW Health.
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+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html The only reason it was played in winter in Europe was so players could play cricket in summer in the 19th century, clearly no longer a relevant reason for everyone to freeze their arses off and watch games bogged down in the snow in the 21st century. On the other hand, it would be a problem for future World Cups hosted in Europe in winter, for the same reason. Russia in November/December would have been chilly to say the least. It's certainly true that there won't be a better opportunity to change up the schedule any time soon.
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+x+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html The only reason it was played in winter in Europe was so players could play cricket in summer in the 19th century, clearly no longer a relevant reason for everyone to freeze their arses off and watch games bogged down in the snow in the 21st century. On the other hand, it would be a problem for future World Cups hosted in Europe in winter, for the same reason. Russia in November/December would have been chilly to say the least. It's certainly true that there won't be a better opportunity to change up the schedule any time soon. I hope it happens as Sweden already has it and it’s hard to compete in Europe unless you win the cup (which finishes in June). Sweden also takes summer vacation which is about 5-6 weeks. That coincides with WC, Euros also. Can see UK fans complaining about no Christmas time football. But would like to London based NFL team come in and fill the somewhat void. Equally the potential establishment of British teams in KHL.
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+x+x+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html The only reason it was played in winter in Europe was so players could play cricket in summer in the 19th century, clearly no longer a relevant reason for everyone to freeze their arses off and watch games bogged down in the snow in the 21st century. On the other hand, it would be a problem for future World Cups hosted in Europe in winter, for the same reason. Russia in November/December would have been chilly to say the least. It's certainly true that there won't be a better opportunity to change up the schedule any time soon. I hope it happens as Sweden already has it and it’s hard to compete in Europe unless you win the cup (which finishes in June). Sweden also takes summer vacation which is about 5-6 weeks. That coincides with WC, Euros also. Can see UK fans complaining about no Christmas time football. But would like to London based NFL team come in and fill the somewhat void. Equally the potential establishment of British teams in KHL. Won't happen, especially the NFL team to fill the void, People are too set in their ways, it's called " tradition ".
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+x+x+x+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html The only reason it was played in winter in Europe was so players could play cricket in summer in the 19th century, clearly no longer a relevant reason for everyone to freeze their arses off and watch games bogged down in the snow in the 21st century. On the other hand, it would be a problem for future World Cups hosted in Europe in winter, for the same reason. Russia in November/December would have been chilly to say the least. It's certainly true that there won't be a better opportunity to change up the schedule any time soon. I hope it happens as Sweden already has it and it’s hard to compete in Europe unless you win the cup (which finishes in June). Sweden also takes summer vacation which is about 5-6 weeks. That coincides with WC, Euros also. Can see UK fans complaining about no Christmas time football. But would like to London based NFL team come in and fill the somewhat void. Equally the potential establishment of British teams in KHL. Won't happen, especially the NFL team to fill the void, People are too set in their ways, it's called " tradition ". Traditions change.
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I would also say that a summer European season doesn't necessarily mean that the WC can't be in summer too, a six week break every second season in June and July for the WC and Euros/Copa America/Asian Cup etc. wouldn't kill anyone, especially if it means less FIFA windows in those years as recompense. Expanded WC and continental comps should mean qualifiers needed anyway. Whittling 48 teams from 211 could be done with two knockout rounds, if FIFA really wanted to (with a preliminary round for the very lowest ranked countries).
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Virus can affect calendar for years: UEFA executive committee member
(Reuters) - The COVID-19 crisis could hit soccer’s international calendar for “two to three years” and potentially affect the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, Lars-Christer Olsson, an executive committee member of European football’s governing body UEFA has said.
The novel coronavirus, which has infected over 3.13 million people globally causing more than 218,000 deaths, has wreaked havoc on the soccer schedule with Euro 2020 postponed to 2021 and national leagues and continental club competitions on hold.
The Qatar World Cup is set to take place from Nov. 21-Dec. 18, 2022 and Olsson said it was a case of “wait and see” if the quadrennial event would be hit.
Asked during a Soccerex webinar how long he thought the international calendar could be affected, Olsson said: “Probably two or three years I think.”
“If the virus is developing in an even more serious way as it’s been for the time being, there will definitely be a problem with the international calendar.
“When some of the competitions are moved from one year to another...and then the Qatar World Cup is coming in the middle of the European season and you have to squeeze in domestic and international competitions.
“But I think we have to wait and see how that is going to affect the business.”
Olsson, who is also the president of European Leagues, said UEFA was planning to complete the Champions League and Europa League in August.
“If that would be possible, then I think it would be fine because that would also mean that we can safeguard the integrity of the final phase of the current season of international football,” he added.
“But of course we have to take decisions about that at the end of May at least, because otherwise it will probably not be possible to squeeze it in and also to qualify the clubs for the new season.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-soccer-olsson/virus-can-affect-calendar-for-years-uefa-executive-committee-member-idUKKBN22C0NY
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I think I've worked out why the FFA have chosen a date of 1 August. They might be trying to get onside with the Victorian government to save their Western United team and building of the venue Just read that Storm were denied being allowed to train and now have to train in NSW Also read that a teacher (who was identified as a virus risk previously due to contact with a known cluster) that was on site shooting videos has been used to vindicate 97% of Victorian kids learning from home under the headline "school shut down" released just hours after a head to head battle on school closures Will be interesting to see what unfolds in Victoria after the state of emergency ends on 11 May. Definitely trying to go one better than ACT's zero cases
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Not sure if already posted https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/football/coronavirus-premier-league-season-could-finish-in-perth-–-williams/ar-BB13wOhn?li=AAHAbBJInteresting if true. As an island with quarantine at the borders, and 80% of cases recovered, we are a candidate for picking up a lot of sports
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+x+x+x+x+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html The only reason it was played in winter in Europe was so players could play cricket in summer in the 19th century, clearly no longer a relevant reason for everyone to freeze their arses off and watch games bogged down in the snow in the 21st century. On the other hand, it would be a problem for future World Cups hosted in Europe in winter, for the same reason. Russia in November/December would have been chilly to say the least. It's certainly true that there won't be a better opportunity to change up the schedule any time soon. I hope it happens as Sweden already has it and it’s hard to compete in Europe unless you win the cup (which finishes in June). Sweden also takes summer vacation which is about 5-6 weeks. That coincides with WC, Euros also. Can see UK fans complaining about no Christmas time football. But would like to London based NFL team come in and fill the somewhat void. Equally the potential establishment of British teams in KHL. Won't happen, especially the NFL team to fill the void, People are too set in their ways, it's called " tradition ". Traditions change. Yes, all too easily in this country. Summer is when folk in the UK go on holidays , not to football matches. Very hard to change 140 + years of tradition.
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+x+x+x+x+x“FIFA vice-president Victor Montagliani has said that moving the European soccer season to the calendar year is a "possibility to be discussed" in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic which has brought football to a standstill around the world. In an interview with Italy's Radio Sportiva, Montagliani, who is seen as a close ally of FIFA president Gianni Infantino, said the move would fit in with the 2022 World Cup being played in Qatar in November and December. The head of world soccer's governing body himself has said that football will be totally different when it restarts and that the current stoppage could be a good chance to overhaul the overloaded calendar which is due to run until 2024. "We have the opportunity because the World Cup in Qatar in 2022 will be played in November/December and that could be the idea," said Montagliani, who is president of the CONCACAF confederation.“ https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/02/sports/soccer/02reuters-health-coronavirus-soccer-calendar.html The only reason it was played in winter in Europe was so players could play cricket in summer in the 19th century, clearly no longer a relevant reason for everyone to freeze their arses off and watch games bogged down in the snow in the 21st century. On the other hand, it would be a problem for future World Cups hosted in Europe in winter, for the same reason. Russia in November/December would have been chilly to say the least. It's certainly true that there won't be a better opportunity to change up the schedule any time soon. I hope it happens as Sweden already has it and it’s hard to compete in Europe unless you win the cup (which finishes in June). Sweden also takes summer vacation which is about 5-6 weeks. That coincides with WC, Euros also. Can see UK fans complaining about no Christmas time football. But would like to London based NFL team come in and fill the somewhat void. Equally the potential establishment of British teams in KHL. Won't happen, especially the NFL team to fill the void, People are too set in their ways, it's called " tradition ". Traditions change. In the UK? Wimbledon (everybody wears white, bows/curtsies towards the royal box), the Test match at Lord’s (with the MCC and all the fanfare). The Epsom Derby. Royal Ascot. The summer tours in rugby. All that has happened is these events have grown to encourage foreign ownership and to enfold the best athletes from around the world and to build state-of -the-art facilities. How much do these traditions really change? Sure, here and there. But the UK’s one of the most institutionally traditional places on the planet. I’d argue Australia’s not far off (relative of the rest of the world). I’d be staggered if they made any kind of permanent alteration to the Premier League season. Besides, British winter is so grim, I think people want football to be played during the winter to cheer them up.
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One of the things I have realised by doing independent research and analysis is just how sensationalist the media are being. Here is an example today HeadlineBREAKING NEWS Victoria has 22 more coronavirus cases than yesterday, 19 of which are linked to a meatworks Impression13 + 22 = 35 cases today 19 meat factory 16 additional cases??? ArticleOf the 22 new cases announced this morning, 19 were linked to a meatworks Aside from the cases linked to the abattoir, two of the new cases were returned overseas travellers who were quarantined in hotels. One other case is still under investigation
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Australia really is a nanny state, imagine if this happened here: - Bundesliga club hit as league prepares for May resumption
- Players affected to enter 14-day quarantine
have announced three people at the club have tested positive for coronavirus – yet training will continue ahead of the Bundesliga’s return. The German top flight looks set to become the first major league to return to action as the world continues to deal with the Covid-19 pandemic. Clubs are back in training with a mid-May resumption on the cards, but Cologne’s arrangements have received a setback. The club, 10th in the Bundesliga, said that “after three positive tests, three people at FC Köln are now in quarantine”, but also that “the group training can continue”. In a statement, Cologne said they “had the entire team and coaching staff, along with the backroom staff, tested on Thursday for Covid-19. Three people tested positive, all are symptom free.
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+xOne of the things I have realised by doing independent research and analysis is just how sensationalist the media are being. Here is an example today HeadlineBREAKING NEWS Victoria has 22 more coronavirus cases than yesterday, 19 of which are linked to a meatworks Impression13 + 22 = 35 cases today 19 meat factory 16 additional cases??? ArticleOf the 22 new cases announced this morning, 19 were linked to a meatworks Aside from the cases linked to the abattoir, two of the new cases were returned overseas travellers who were quarantined in hotels. One other case is still under investigation Just one of their techniques. Some of my favourites are: 1. Continuing to refer to total cases rather than active cases. In two years time if there’s one new case they’ll be talking about Australia’s 8,000 cases. 2. Never giving current figures for those still in hospital or in ICU because those numbers are so small. 3. Never detailing how few community transmissions there have been ... because that would make there previous alarmism look totally stupid. Remember the thousands of undetected cases supposedly hiding in the community ... amazingly vanished over the past two weeks?
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bluebird
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+x+xOne of the things I have realised by doing independent research and analysis is just how sensationalist the media are being. Here is an example today HeadlineBREAKING NEWS Victoria has 22 more coronavirus cases than yesterday, 19 of which are linked to a meatworks Impression13 + 22 = 35 cases today 19 meat factory 16 additional cases??? ArticleOf the 22 new cases announced this morning, 19 were linked to a meatworks Aside from the cases linked to the abattoir, two of the new cases were returned overseas travellers who were quarantined in hotels. One other case is still under investigation Just one of their techniques. Some of my favourites are: 1. Continuing to refer to total cases rather than active cases. In two years time if there’s one new case they’ll be talking about Australia’s 8,000 cases. 2. Never giving current figures for those still in hospital or in ICU because those numbers are so small. 3. Never detailing how few community transmissions there have been ... because that would make there previous alarmism look totally stupid. Remember the thousands of undetected cases supposedly hiding in the community ... amazingly vanished over the past two weeks? I was watching youtube last night and the 9 news update said Victoria records biggest increase in weeks!!! There were only 13 cases recorded (compared to 7 previously hence an increase): 6 linked to the meat factory, 3 from hotels, 1 a teacher linked to a known case who was previously advised to get tested but didn't, and 3 from the testing blitz (1 community unknown) On the ANZAC day weekend the Victoria website recorded there were 135 cases linked to community transmission. I think it stands at 142 now despite a large testing blitz throughout the week. Also 1300 of the 1400 cases have been reported as recovered. But we only get those kind of stats at the end of the broadcast I read a user on the ABC feed asking why there were so many cases in Victoria all of a sudden. I also read somebody asking why if schools are safe, then why not playgrounds. And another a while ago asking why if kids were super spreaders last week, why are NSW schools safe this week? The problem with the sensationalist headlines is it causes confusion and division. How can Australia be looking at coming out of lockdown next week if the numbers today are alarming and cause for panic? You are right about the supposed "thousands of hidden cases" joke. The fact that we have been able to identify and trace the cases of the meat factory and report such a large number is that any outbreak at that scale will not go undetected. As we have similarly been able to report any other large outbreak at facilities. To think that a virus like this can have such a wide outbreak and nobody notice is laughable. Like I said a while ago, anybody looking for large scale undetected community transmission will find "evidence" of it. Much better than saying "whoops, I guess I was wrong. Good thing though"
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What your Govt is reporting on the world stage as at 3/5/20 Country -Total confirmed cases - Total confirmed new cases - Total deaths - Total new deaths -Transmission classifications - Days since last reported case Australia 6783 16 93 0 Clusters of cases 0 Sauce
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+xI think I've worked out why the FFA have chosen a date of 1 August. They might be trying to get onside with the Victorian government to save their Western United team and building of the venue Just read that Storm were denied being allowed to train and now have to train in NSW This more about the NRL guy Peter V'landys basically tried to kill horse racing in VIC and created the everest in NSW. He is hated in Victoria.
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+x+xOne of the things I have realised by doing independent research and analysis is just how sensationalist the media are being. Here is an example today HeadlineBREAKING NEWS Victoria has 22 more coronavirus cases than yesterday, 19 of which are linked to a meatworks Impression13 + 22 = 35 cases today 19 meat factory 16 additional cases??? ArticleOf the 22 new cases announced this morning, 19 were linked to a meatworks Aside from the cases linked to the abattoir, two of the new cases were returned overseas travellers who were quarantined in hotels. One other case is still under investigation Just one of their techniques. Some of my favourites are: 1. Continuing to refer to total cases rather than active cases. In two years time if there’s one new case they’ll be talking about Australia’s 8,000 cases.
2. Never giving current figures for those still in hospital or in ICU because those numbers are so small.3. Never detailing how few community transmissions there have been ... because that would make there previous alarmism look totally stupid. Remember the thousands of undetected cases supposedly hiding in the community ... amazingly vanished over the past two weeks? Try this site https://covidlive.com.au/At the moment only 72 in hospital Australia wide, 29 of which are in ICU with 19 of those on ventilators
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+x+xOne of the things I have realised by doing independent research and analysis is just how sensationalist the media are being. Here is an example today HeadlineBREAKING NEWS Victoria has 22 more coronavirus cases than yesterday, 19 of which are linked to a meatworks Impression13 + 22 = 35 cases today 19 meat factory 16 additional cases??? ArticleOf the 22 new cases announced this morning, 19 were linked to a meatworks Aside from the cases linked to the abattoir, two of the new cases were returned overseas travellers who were quarantined in hotels. One other case is still under investigation Just one of their techniques. Some of my favourites are: 1. Continuing to refer to total cases rather than active cases. In two years time if there’s one new case they’ll be talking about Australia’s 8,000 cases. 2. Never giving current figures for those still in hospital or in ICU because those numbers are so small. 3. Never detailing how few community transmissions there have been ... because that would make there previous alarmism look totally stupid. Remember the thousands of undetected cases supposedly hiding in the community ... amazingly vanished over the past two weeks? You need to use the government's official site to get the correct figures. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers
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+x+x+xOne of the things I have realised by doing independent research and analysis is just how sensationalist the media are being. Here is an example today HeadlineBREAKING NEWS Victoria has 22 more coronavirus cases than yesterday, 19 of which are linked to a meatworks Impression13 + 22 = 35 cases today 19 meat factory 16 additional cases??? ArticleOf the 22 new cases announced this morning, 19 were linked to a meatworks Aside from the cases linked to the abattoir, two of the new cases were returned overseas travellers who were quarantined in hotels. One other case is still under investigation Just one of their techniques. Some of my favourites are: 1. Continuing to refer to total cases rather than active cases. In two years time if there’s one new case they’ll be talking about Australia’s 8,000 cases. 2. Never giving current figures for those still in hospital or in ICU because those numbers are so small. 3. Never detailing how few community transmissions there have been ... because that would make there previous alarmism look totally stupid. Remember the thousands of undetected cases supposedly hiding in the community ... amazingly vanished over the past two weeks? You need to use the government's official site to get the correct figures. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers As you know, I was talking about what the media reports, not what the few of us who actually research the true numbers know.
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When Victoria had bushfires late last year / early this year the information they were being given was a matter of life or death. Where they were, how they were spreading, when to act, what they needed to do etc... When a state of emergency is declared, whether it is natural disaster, war, a chemical leak, or a virus, people need factual information and clear advice as the advice they are given will determine their actions - whether it is panic buying, withdrawing their kids from school, selling or holding on to a property, medicines they start taking etc... IMO the media has been less than helpful, as has some of the stats being officially reported without proper context. The irony is most government officials agree that we are in this mess because they weren't given the correct information when this whole thing started. So surely they understand the importance of being given facts instead of conclusions People just want to know where this virus is, how it is spreading, and how bad it is. Whether we agree with the lockdown rules or not, they are still the law, and there are platforms for enforcing change. But at the very least people need proper information, not agenda driven sensationlism
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+xWhen Victoria had bushfires late last year / early this year the information they were being given was a matter of life or death. Where they were, how they were spreading, when to act, what they needed to do etc... I think the bushfires are a very good example. Those clear messages given were the result of lessons learned the hard way on Black Saturday ten years prior. It's been a hundred years since a pandemic of this scale, perhaps if there's another one any time soon we'll all be better prepared. Although of course if Trump guts the WHO's funding and leads the public to lose confidence in them we'll have a much harder time.
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Funilly enough, while we had Black Saturday ten years ago and learned our lessons, East Asia had SARS on about the same timeline. They learned their lessons from that too and hence survived Covid-19 much better than other countries which were preoccupied by boomers getting into scrag fights over dunny paper in supermarket aisles.
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The A-League needs to start ASAP! The rugby league are starting back this month and our season started before theres!?! A-league should start before the league and finish before them earlier. Not good enough FFA!!
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