Sounds like a pretty sheepy thing to do, amirite?

Combining the surnames of the current presidential nominee with the surname of the president he served with? Very clever is probably a bit generous, unless I'm missing something.

And besides, Obama was and is a popular president. I would have thought the last thing Republican strategists would want to do was conflating Biden's image with Obama's, but I won't stop them from making that mistake.

Can you source me the data?

Yes absolutely I can. 



https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

You can see a very sharp increase since Trump assumed office in 2016, and then of course the sharp decrease in 2020 due to COVID. 

Thanks. How about jobs overall (and not just manufacturing)? I'd imagine the US economy is moving to a services based one and would not be focused on manufacturing.

I believe jobs overall had broken all records in recent times. 

Being a service economy, the US never really had an issue with professional jobs. Just only with the manufacturing non skilled sector. 

Here is a break down of all sectors. there are graphs like the one I posted above and most areas grew significantly except for utilities which was relatively stagnant but stable or slight growth. 

https://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Overall, the Trump Administrations economic policies have worked. he delivered on bringing back jobs to America before the COVID derailment. 

I see a fairly consistent increase over a 10 year period, with a sharper increase when Trump takes office followed by a plateau well before COVID hit. 

It looks like the overall trend for manufacturing is consistent with total jobs (with the real driver in leisure and hospitality). The Trump tax reforms also only went into effect in January 2018, so there should be a lag in any numbers from that policy (which might not have impacted this trend at all). As sydneyfc1987 says as well, the trend is also fairly consistent over a 10 year period.

You need to look again. 

The bulk of the increase is from 2016 onwards. 

Yes the increases were across the board.

that is generally what happens when manufacturing increases. manufacturing has spin offs in other areas, and the other areas are not immune from Trump's economic policies and once again, you can see the acceleration of growth from 2016 onwards - basically the biggest boom in the last 50 odd years. 

Your data literally proves Burtzur's point that you were trying to refute, that a lot of jobs were created under Obama's presidency. 

I don't think it's correct to say that manufacturing is what spins off jobs into the other areas. Growth was already there since 2010 and has been fairly consistent. 

Not anywhere near as many as under Trump's administration, as you can see from the data I provided. 

Well if that's the case, it's even more reason to claim that Trump's economic policies created an economic boom across all sectors. 

Bottom line is this - Trump created more than any other US Administration in recent times, and certainly leaves Obama for dead. 

No. The point was, the growth under Trumps administration for manufacturing is the same as that as Obamas. 

Possibly.

But that isn't what you originally claimed is it? 

You know damn well he will somehow argue his point and we'll scratch our heads 

Hard to argue against someone who constantly moves the goalposts.

So that corrupt piece of shit Hillary has told Sleepy Joe not to concede the election under any circumstances. 

Damn Obama did pretty good after the GFC

-PB

No it wasn't. Look at the graph.

The growth under Trump is clearly like a rocket ship. Obama was a lot more flat. 

I claimed Trump economic boom, was unprecedented for the last 40 odd years. 

Secondly, the flatness in 2016 and 2017 were as a result of Obama's failures. 

Trump policies were introduced in 2017 and onwards. 

You refuted the fact that jobs grew under Obama. 

Go back and look. You're not getting away with this game you play this time.

Calculate the year on year percentage growth.

The focus should also be on all jobs - not just manufacturing. Why would you focus solely on manufacturing when there are other major sections like hospitality which is the real drive for jobs growth in the US now?  

Both sides are just as bad. This election is getting pretty dirty.

I don't get it, is that supposed to be like an accusation or something? Hillary telling Biden that he should try not to lose the election? Why wouldn't she? I don't get it.

She’s trying to say, don’t repeat Bush v Gore

No. It’s just funny and I agree that Obiden is just more of the failed established elitism that does little for the people. 

Of course it’s about all jobs. Manufacturing jobs though is where the US economy was bleeding as corporations left the US market to capitalise on slave labour in Asian markets.

America has always done quite well in the services sector as a service economy. Much like Australia. 

I think Obiden woes are far more greater than that.