The trouble with things like this is a) most of that was with different owners. Kossie - Bianco. Vidmar - FFA, Kossie - Griffin but also b)it happens at every club from 10th div amateurs to Juventus or Liverpool

I think the fact they were dicking Kossie around was bad, mainly for Kossie but perhaps they DO have longer term plans and were waiting to tell him he wasn't a part of that. Something most people on here asked for.

Like I say, I'm not labelling anyone as a hater. All I hope is the people complaining directly to the club just stop at getting an active support charter established.

If they push their luck by going onto other areas they wont even get what they originally set out to.

Also, I don't know what we do as far as community engagement but teams can always do more I agree. I guess I'm a 30 year old male so I wouldn't see how many clinics and school and hospital visits they do anyway

Not at all, but it needs to be tempered and reasonable IMO. I think people also have the right call people up on things that they believe aren't true.


I don't like the AFL/SANFL thing being brought up all the time. I don't think it's all that relevant. The problems you raise are more likely funding related rather than some sort of ideology.


This stuff was around a long time before the owners were involved so you can't 100% blame them (not saying you are).


In their position I would have done exactly the same thing. Kossie came to them in December and said he wanted an extension and more money (not how much). The board said they'd consider it at the next meeting after getting more info on what he was after and whether it was reasonable. This time of year is Xmas and New Year. Lots of people go on holidays (including the board), it's not unusual for a board not to convene in the month of January. I certainly wouldn't see resigning a coach who clearly isn't going anywhere and has a contract as needing emergency attention.

Look I don't tend to think Kosmina was the right choice either. He did make me eat my words when he took on the role, I thought he was a has been dinosaur when he was re-hired, but since a couple of weeks before the wanderers thrashing it's been pretty evident that the team was really struggling to deal with a high press and that we had no answer for it even though it kept happening game after game. Maybe you could be right about the owners still being in the process of creating a strategy, I would just like to see some sort of action that demonstrates some sort of progressive thinking, which personally I don't think there is.

As for the politics don't get me wrong I'm not blaming the current owners for the problems at the club but I tend to think they have gotten caught up in it, rather than stamping it out. The club really needs someone to take charge and clean the whole thing up or it will keep happening.

Just to provide a perspective from an older fan who has regularly paid his money to be a member and spectator of this club.
I am an inaugral member, and remember how I excitedly went to watch the peoples team play practice matches at the Galaxy ground, Morphet Vale and a few others which escape me.

I remember the wonder of seeing Veart score against Brisbane Strikers in front of a packed out Hindmarsh.
The highs of Gordon Pickard and Nick Bianco, but this mob immediately showing Veart, Joe Mullen, Dom Rinaldo and others the door, then hiring Rini and ( I still can't get my head around a lawyer creating a dead cert money losing case by re-signing & then sacking him) giving your word to a staunch SA man like Kossie then creating an atmosphere where he didn't want to work. ( as an aside I saw the GG interview on the World Game and to see him spend most of the interview looking up[ &away from the camera loaded me with suspicion of this man )

I'll go along to the members meeting on the 11th, but after us once having what WSW have, it's action I want not just the empty rhetoric that we've been fed.

Edited by redcup: 30/1/2013 04:00:00 PM

Our official facebook page has asked people to give their ideas for a walk out song and the best ones will be selected and voted on via their website

It isn't an active support charter, can I clear that up? I have nothing to do with active support. It is a supporter charter.

Kossie has history but the club plays a role in managing him to make sure he doesn't "blow his load".

A experienced ex-senior coach besides valkanis would be mandatory you'd think but if we are apparently looking for the best available, how could he under any circumstances be appointed to the role?

I'm finding it difficult to follow your logic with each of those points. You only want to follow kossie's side of the story and ignore the clubs? The there was Coolen not having trust:? of course he wouldn't they asked him to resign. Also what's the link between Coolen kossie trani stubbins flores? They all left for different reasons. I think you COULD make a case against the club, specifically based on it's coaching appointments and the lack of success of the individuals involved with the club have had, but that post was very poorly thought out.

What exactly are we dissatisfied with? So far i have:

- More promotion of the active support via email and facebook, a big who cares.

General Ashnak your refusal to explain what the issues are makes it pretty difficult to support you and sending the club a hostile letter WITHOUT addressing them how does that lend itself to a positive solution for whatever your complaints are? Have you even tried to talk to Glen? he is more than willing to IF you have a genuine concern.

I couldn't agree more with your post. At the very least if someone has a specific complaint spell it out don't just make generalisations.

I am on the AUMC Inc committee with Glenn.

The short non-specific replies isn't cute.

if you showed even a remote sense of intelligence you would realise that of any fan General Ashnak and the other member of the AUMC inc committee should be in the most contact with Glenn. However even that seems to have fallen by the way side from the discussions I have had with General. Just because you are oblivious to the ever present issues that quite a number of people are now voicing, does not mean they don't exist.

Maybe if he took the time to explain what the issues are and how Elliott hasn't been approachable, which he was the one time i contacted him, then my "intelligence" wouldn't be tested. For now it just appears to be an exercise in self-indulgence.

This active supporter issue going on has gone on long enough they need to have some meetings and talk to some people already. You hear people saying welso are in the right they are kids mucking up each week not listening and they get punished by being evicted then you hear the Active supporters saying we are getting unfairly punished. Get some meetings happening already sort it out united. Lets hope it can all get sorted out soon COYR


on next season it will be interesting to see who we get we can complain about the owners and the mistakes they have made but they have always spent money on players ect so be good to see who we get hopefully they spend a few more dollars and get us a known name maby.

6 points behind can we still win this seasons minor premiership ? yes but we will need to find our form again or this week other wise if we loose we can only look forward to trying to make a grand final again and winning.


Also is it to early about talking about a new marquee ? who would you like to see ?

Edited by liverpoolfan2010: 31/1/2013 03:30:34 AM

The letter points to broad disillusionment, not just a active support problem. I have no idea what these other issues are.

*sigh

So then what other supporters other than the active supporters really have an issue? If they do then what is it?

I too would like an elaboration now actually....I'm confused

I thought you and other "general supporters" were just showing support to the issues that active supporters have raised

I personally have never had one single issue and nor has the vast majority of the people in the ground

Still confused...

I was happy to lend my support to help active supporters come up with a charter and a process to solving issues with WESLO etc but this seems to have turned into something else if what you are saying is true.

Genuinely asking for an explanation without a hint of sarcasm etc

PS Please do not answer with things like "direction of the club". Surely this isn't what this is all about. Confuse the message and you will get none of what you want. Seriously...I hope you guys are all clear if you want any sort of results


Edited by davide82: 31/1/2013 10:27:48 AM

Oh, and I don't think the letter is that bad if it was just calling for a public forum/intiating a charter for active support

But

Promotion of active support on facebook? Really? I'd rather them promote THE CLUB. Adelaide United? Not individual supporter groups. But this is besides the point really.

You are part of the club. An important part. You are not THE most important part and you are not MORE important than the club or any others of us who have paid memberships for 7 years

I just see this all running to ground from lack of clear message and goals and hope it doesn't. That's all.

Edited by davide82: 31/1/2013 10:31:53 AM

No dramas Davide, you at least ask rather than demand. People have had noise makers confiscated, have been evicted for making donkey noises, told to move on whilst in standing areas, have had security initiated confrontations in front of their children, have had requests for assistance ignored (as in when someone is behaving anti socially security have done nothing about them after being asked) and these are things that have been happening in the Eastern and Western stand as well as North and South non active areas.

A supporter charter sets out appropriate behavior for all supporters of the club while at home, and as away fans at other teams stadiums. Sure a lot of it will be around how active supporters should behave and the appropriate ways to allow them to do so in a safe and supportive environment, but it will go beyond that to assist security and supporters all around the stadium to have a better relationship in order to allow both to have a more positive stadium experience.

It isn't specifically promoting active support but using active support as a selling point of the club and games, have a look at http://www.portlandtimbers.com/timbers-army for an example (that is the official club page and what they have chosen to do for their active supporters as a way of selling their club to people). In fact just look through all the MLS club websites for some great examples on how to actually engage fans.

I wasn't demanding i was asking and you were being cute with the replies, after the 3rd and 4th time it may seem like demanding. Now it is ironic that you said demand because that is exactly how the letter comes across, it asks for a a set of outcomes without explaining the reasons why they are required. It's not your role to decide on the outcomes, this is where the self-righteous attitude has crept in, you can suggest a solution to a problem and ask the club help to find a solution, but a unreasoned outcome shouldn't be a starting point. Whoever wrote the letter has put the only problem down as a lack of promotion of the club using the active supporters, which is not theirs to decide, and the security reasons you've given weren't even included! Finally if security is the only other problem you have and the vast majority of supporters do NOT have a problem with it, the broad dissatisfaction you've expressed in the letter is highly misleading. I would suggest the best outcome for this would be to put the ego away write down each specific problem and go talk to Elliott directly.

Again i agree davide.

If anyone ever doubted how poor the club is at communication and promotion, check out the following exchange cut and paste from 'we are the reds'. Made me chuckle anyway...

I had to Google that quote in blue... i somehow missed the article... holy shit though, i think you are right. Vidosic and the club might be playing it down, but that to me, is a big middle finger to the coach when you deck yourself out in the other player's kit/number.

"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it"

Like you, i love Kossie, but man is he one stubborn and arrogant prick. The thing that annoyed me about him so much this season is the hand shake after the game. I watched him closely after every game, he stands up, shakes the assitant coach, the physio, the subs, the drinks lady too... then looks around, stands still, looks around again and WAITS for the other coach to come over to him. He did this away AND at home. I remember last season Van Schip walked up to Kossie and just stood there bemused for ages - with his hand out -while Kossie was standing around shaking everyone else's hands! It was so obviously arrogant. Numbnut.

Just because you did not see it elsewhere does not mean it was not there ? have you been to Marion lately to see if posters or anything was up promoting the visit of them ? ? was there any up ? and what player asked you to promote it ? to me it would seem strange for a player to know how much promotion is behind it but that is just me lol


Edited by liverpoolfan2010: 31/1/2013 11:11:33 PM

No problems, enjoy your perception.

Im not writing this to get my head bitten off if i am wrong point me out but just going through and reading what people have said this whole active support thing has turned from what Welso are doing too basically being we want more attention promote us. Wanting to be treated fairly at games is very right if you are following the rules that is and you should push for that

But wanting to be promoted all over the websites ect ect why ? you have 10,000 each week turning up to games it should be about all fans not just the active support or any supporting group. To start having a go at the club is wrong about that i think. Asking them too show some recognition ok but to send letters saying we WANT this and that ect ect is wrong to me.

Now i could be wrong here and have got confused with what every one is writing so if you read this and feel the burn inside don't bite my head off explain it to me please a little better lol


People like to blame these owners for alot for some reason i will never know. Mistakes yes but people are blaming them things for happened back when FFA had the club and bianco.

I enjoy the active supporters at games and just hope they can sort all the problems out soon at a time we should be getting behind the club.

The letter details some issues and asks three main points.

- To hold a public forum
this is for all fans to get all issues of the club out into an open and face to face forum. not some club only for those with a financial membership but everyone, so that questions can be asked of both management, off field and on field issues.

- To promote active support
In hindsight this could have been worded a little more specifically, but anything left vague on the letter was to be further delved into at the attendance of a meeting at some stage. While this is to do with general promotion and getting people back to the active areas (which have been severely harmed by weslo and hatamoto initiatives) it is also to do with the advertising and correct awareness of the Home end bays in themselves. Currently there is very little knowledge for the general fan on how they would go about getting a ticket. Some fans are rudely turned away by weslo without explanation on how they can gain a ticket to enter, as well as ticket booth staff not even knowing how to correctly allocate or swap a GA ticket for an active ticket.

- Supporter charter
While this point is to contain some general points of entry and points for general fans outside of the active areas, this would be the predominant point which addresses many of the active support issues. These issues ranging from Security behaviour, spectator behaviour, banner approval systems, and other issues which involve all the relevant parties.

It was our aim for these three points to address the issues without going into extensive detail (mainly because I doubt they would have appreciated a 10 page letter, nor would they have read it all). These were three requests we made of the club, two of which(being the main two, charter and fan forum) are to include further dialogue with various parties and the AUFC community as a whole. This letter was to be an initiator for many discussions to come both in meetings and fan forums.

So far we have received a positive response. A phone call was made to one representative and some notification that it was pretty much a "yes" for all three requests. This representative was informed that a formal reply is being drafted and will be mailed out soon. From then we can see if this contact was successful and eventually if they are all talk or whether they are actually going to listen, take action and mend relationships with both active fans and the general AUFC community.

Edited by schultzy: 2/2/2013 12:13:11 AM

Good looks like it is starting to finally be sorted out. Lets hope