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There are plenty of sports-mad people around the world that will watch pretty much any sport. The problem is the leagues would need to spend money in marketing and advertising to try to reach international markets. The financial return simply would not be worth it.

Its the arrogance both these codes have had for decades, more so afl.
As for international possible viewers ? well at least nrl have a very small footprint, would it grow ? doubt it.
afl may have a chance back in Ireland where its origins derive from but elsewhere ? huh, stoopid china may being they have invested there lately from memory but really ? where else will give a fuck about this over hyped australian bubble game.

nrl and afl might look at getting international viewers now most other sports have been cancelled 

The clubs (especially the richer ones) of any code should be taking the opportunity to give back, not sook about lost revenue. Seeing as the games most likely won't be played, why not use that time to send the players to work at local food banks and other such services. Not only will they be providing a genuinely useful service but they will be gaining huge amounts of positive publicity. People like Eddie McGuire should be leading by volunteering at the Collingwood Food Bank. Actions like that provide a huge boost to community morale and inspire others to do what they can for the less fortunate.

Well said.

Totally agree

Agree with this. And football in Australia runs on the smell of an oily rag, with less government support and less tv money. We are bizarrely well placed to survive this!

thanks Gallop 



(it must be his fault right?) 

I would welcome the 3 Melbourne clubs into the AL. WB to replace WU. 

Im sure AFL would rather the brand crash and burn then hand it over to the soccer.

Footscray Dogs
Moorrabin Angels 
&
FC North 

What’s bottom 6?

Lions Suns Giants Bulldogs Saints Kangaroos ? 

Suns would go. They have to maintain Lions.

“AFL clubs are likely to be forced to shave at least $5 million — and as much as $10 million — from their balance sheets due to the shortened 2020 season and reduced overall revenue.
.....

One high ranking official from a club told foxfooty.com.au the cuts “will be absolutely brutal”, while another forecast as much as $10 million in reductions across the administration and football departments, especially when overall losses due to no crowds and reduced memberships are taken into account.

 Another club suggested the AFL would be wise to consider proportionate cuts, meaning wealthy clubs would foot a more significant bill than smaller clubs.

For powerhouse organisations such as West Coast and Collingwood, compulsory soft cap reduction is unlikely to cause too many problems. But for smaller clubs such as St Kilda or North Melbourne, the measures will sting.

One club estimated “$5 million as an absolute minimum” would be cut from their budgets, while another said it would be “around $5 million, according to our data”.

There has been no official word from the AFL, though clubs have been running the numbers behind closed doors, aware that swift action will be required at some stage in the near future.

One club suggested recruiters could be under the most pressure to keep their jobs with less under-age and state league football to watch. Regrettably, the official said, clubs will not be able to sustain employees if they are not adding to the business. Recruiters, if they aren’t recruiting, would potentially be vulnerable – at least for the 2020 season.

In the administration wing of clubs, it’s believed community, events and marketing could come under strain too.

.......”


https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-coronavirus-news-updates-absolutely-brutal-financial-losses-flagged-for-fans/news-story/cdf122d207ada15b2a7e59c44226463c

Richmond have over 20 mill in the bank, they will be ok.  The bottom 6 clubs are in trouble.  I can see this killing a few clubs, but not the league, not unless it over extends itself trying to keep them all afloat.  They may have to dip into the resources of the biggest clubs, which will make some interesting meetings.

I think the NRL is in trouble, and they know it, hence the horrible press conference.

“Without insurance or assets to produce income outside of the games themselves, ARLC chairman Peter V'landys said the NRL would not take long to collapse if the season was suspended without financial assistance from the government.

However Scott Morrison issued a gloomy response when asked about V’landys’ plea on Monday.

“Obviously the NRL is not high on the list at the moment,” Morrison said.
.....

The dire state of the NRL's financial stability has prompted rugby league great Phil Gould to call for a change in power at the top - a timely comment given chief executive Todd Greenberg's future as boss is unclear beyond this year.

“NRL in a very difficult position, so last thing we need is people adding to their problems. We all need to stick,” Gould Tweeted on Sunday.

“However, this situation highlights just how wasteful & poorly run NRL has been. Overpopulated Head Office has squandered 100's of millions of dollars. Time for change.”

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/nrl-scott-morrison-shoots-down-government-bail-out-coronavirus-001159027.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLnNlLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKrOwhWHOVno8iFYPm6KsSjirLPmylHiOQzGKX_is5OLbzGqAQAY5mDFpYisnosbL-S-mZGpjkStIapXX7vd1UDktxZbu5lh77pdJE1X3A0hnd7u0NOsGK6RUylTShmQwUAO1KhC1nwGBV2ZFSFUirqpRIr14UIPYrlyTuVtDAlo

I just find the antics of the AFL and especially NRL in recent days so morally wrong, so disgusting. Putting their grubby hands out whilst hundreds and thousands of people are about to lose their livelihoods, their homes, their savings, their future.....Government resources should go to the most vulnerable out there not to greedy out of touch sports executives. 

Imagine an amalgamation of the 3 codes playing football 2023.

Broncos, Roar
Jets, C Bulldogs, Panthers, Wanderers, Tigers, Sydney FC, Dragons
Victory, City, Magpies, Blues, Hawks, Bombers, R Tigers, Cats, 
Adel U, Crows, Power
Glory, Eagles and Dockers

wow

..... and the Mariners would still finish last.

So the a league is handling this the best am I dreaming?? Haha 

“As the NBL called time on its season with just two games remaining in the finals series between Sydney and Perth, Kings CEO Paul Smith has told the rest of Australia’s codes to “wake-up” as they try to push on amid the threat of coronavirus.

The Sydney Kings made the brave decision to end their season after a number of their players no longer felt safe and comfortable continuing their season as the spread of coronavirus begins to grip the nation.

It was a hand in heart moment that stunned many stakeholders, particularly as there were only two games left to be played.

As of Tuesday evening, the NRL and AFL are still scrambling to play on, despite the biggest leagues and events around the world deciding to suspend or cancel play.

After falling suit with the rest of the world, Smith, in a raw press conference issued Australia’s codes a blunt wake-up call as to their duty of care, not just to the player but to the nation.

“Why are athletes different from any employee?” Smith asked.

“Why are they being held to a higher standard here? I don’t understand it. It’s gotta stop… sport has to wake up. It’s time.

“It’s not just basketball. Everyone has to stop and realise what we’re doing here. We’re talking about people. Why should our athletes — any athlete in any sport — be held to a higher standard than any other employee, any other professional, in any sport, or any business.”

https://moosegazette.net/kings-ceo-issues-aussie-codes-blunt-wake-up/50515/

“The AFL players have been savaged, with their request for the league to return to a 22-game season described as “all about money” - an accusation denied by dual premiership Tiger Jack Riewoldt.

AFL Players Association CEO Paul Marsh made the request on behalf of the group on Tuesday evening, after the players were surveyed on Monday about their views on the coronavirus crisis.

“I think the AFL players have pulled the wrong cord today. I think they’re going to get little or no sympathy from the greater public, some of whom are losing their jobs, losing their livelihoods, some are going to lose their houses,” Robinson said.

“This decision by the players’ association today, make no mistake, is all about money. They don’t want to take a 20 per cent pay cut.

“Now that’s their right, to say they don’t want to do that. They will take a pay cut. But what has happened now is we’ve got this massive thing in our lives, and the key stakeholders, the players, are now fighting with the AFL - less than 48 hours out from Round 1 of the season.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-players-savaged-for-being-all-about-money-in-22game-request-as-tigers-star-jack-riewoldt-plays-defence/news-story/529e99b039096c1926f589f81c27ee8f

“NRL CEO Todd Greenberg admitted on Monday players could face pay cuts if the season is reduced, a decision Fonua-Blake labelled “unfair”.

“If you sign a contract and a contract says you'll be paid X amount, you're owed X amount whether you play or not," Fonua-Blake said.

"It might be a bit unfair on older players that maybe took a pay cut or younger players coming through that aren't on as much money as certain players that have to pay bills and pay rent and stuff like that.

"I feel like if you sign an agreement, the agreement should be met by both parties. If you're fully fit and you're able to play, you should be getting paid.

"The outcome of what's happened is unfortunate, but as long as you're still meeting your requirements within your contract, I reckon you should still be getting what's owed to you."

https://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/affiliates/kayo/manly-sea-eagles-prop-addin-fonuablake-condemned-for-donning-face-mask-during-media-session/news-story/62d6a215991967a1ca27438ab5b5d15c

AFL shouldn’t be in this position. 

“On the eve of a season that may or may not start this week, the AFL players have pushed back against a league request for a 20 per cent pay cut — an amount that Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has called the "minimum" that the players should accept.
......
Kennett said 20 per cent was the minimum that the players should accept as a cut, and that if games were not played, close to 50 per cent would be closer to the right amount.”

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-players-baulk-at-20-per-cent-pay-cuts-20200317-p54b4c.html

“NRL and AFL clubs have been warned to consider the extreme measure of operating under voluntary administration in a bid to stave off creditors.

7NEWS understands some of rugby league’s struggling teams were told it could be their safest option as the funds dry up in the COVID-19 crisis.”

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-and-nrl-clubs-forced-to-confront-possibility-of-voluntary-administration-c-749636

“Two of the AFL’s most influential media figures have launched a passionate plea to those involved in the game to work together in the face of the coronavirus crisis. It comes after the AFLPA announced on Tuesday it now wanted the league to explore the possibility of a 22-round home and away season, despite Monday’s announcement the season would be 17 rounds. “Is this the time for tennis?” Gerard Healy asked on 3AW. The Sportsday host said it was incumbent on the league’s players to trust those making the decisions, given the future of the sport was at stake. “It’s got to the point where the premiership is borderline irrelevant at this stage, it’s the survival of the bloody clubs, it’s the survival of the game,” he stressed.
 Leigh Matthews agreed. “I don’t know whether they (the players) realise how dire the financial situation is right now,” the AFL legend said. “If you play 17 rounds – that means the broadcast rights are down about $100 million, lets talk round figures. “Crowds aren’t at the games for the foreseeable future, that’s going to cost you another $100 million or so. “So that’s $200-250 million that’s disappeared from the game, even if it all goes according to plan. “I’d be saying to the players, pretty simply, you either take the 25 per cent pay cut, or you don’t play, and you don’t get paid.”

https://www.3aw.com.au/gerard-healy-and-leigh-matthews-discuss-the-dire-situation-the-afl-faces-right-now/

“A five-question survey was handed out to players last night in which they told the AFL Players’ Association they are happy to be flexible, but many are angered with a proposed 20 per cent pay cut.

Many players were angry that the 20 per cent pay cut proposal was made public before being presented to the playing group.

Other options have been mooted instead of the 20 per cent cut, with some player managers believing that only those over a certain pay band should be affected, while others are proposing that any foregone money be placed in a loan agreement which will be paid back upon retirement.

The common view is that nothing will be agreed upon in the near future regarding the pay cut, with the prevailing view being that it’s unlikely the playing group will agree to the figure but there will be a mountain of factors to consider in the coming weeks and months.”

https://www.zerohanger.com/afl-denies-plan-for-unlimited-rotations-extended-squads-39234/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lMax5euqZ0

“So do those who have bought their memberships ask for a refund? Or will they write off their loss as they might a non-refundable holiday booking, or even view it as a gratuity to their club for lifelong service? The answer might provide an indication of the emotional attachment fans have to their clubs, which is in many cases stronger than for the game itself.Although, in relying on this goodwill, clubs would do well to tread lightly if they are to make appeals to fans to accept less value for the same money this season.

Over the past decade, in the AFL particularly, there has been a strong sense of membership-shaming, with club propaganda designed to suggest you are not a real fan if you don't buy a membership — regardless of your financial circumstances, your lifelong commitment or even your ability to attend the games for which you are hectored into subscribing.

It would be unfortunate if the same baked-on fans who have been made to feel their membership investment is compulsory are also shamed should they ask for a refund.

Instead you can only hope when the time comes, clubs and leagues will not try to hug at heartstrings to keep money paid for nothing, and present a cogent economic argument.

This message should include an honest economic case about how the return of membership might impact the ability of clubs to keep functioning at their usual levels, and an explanation of the sacrifices other vested interests are making.

This in turn leads to the second emotional button that the AFL, NRL and other leagues might be inclined to push if they are to endure this crisis.

If fans are expected to make a financial sacrifice, surely so too will be the administrators, club officials and — most publicly — the players.”

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/richard-hinds-coronavirus-cost/12062036?pfmredir=sm

see what happens. Not exactly the same things but I paid div 1 prices for 5 years when we played in div 2 watching dire football. Barcelona season ticket was cheaper....

You’re  not a real footy fan if you want your money back 🤣

This one will be interesting. Aussie dollar looks stuffed and prices will go up on imports. 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/richard-hinds-coronavirus-cost/12062036

she's right but this is like a codewars sort of things that happens in media imo. nobody asked her opinion on it 

on this occasion, she's right, under the circumstances it was an outrageous request, especially when rugby league clubs continue to enjoy massive pokies revenue

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/caroline-wilson-slams-arlc-chairman-peter-vlandys-for-asking-government-for-financial-assistance/89adc9c9-720f-4cb9-9007-030c5c66423d