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+x+xAre Birmingham fans really ripping into McGree, on the basis of one substitute appearance? ‘Ripping in’? Really? I think they got their noses out of joint when McGree said in his first interview that Birmingham was a "stepping stone" move for him. So he got them offside from day one. Righto, that was undiplomatic but I would be more concerned if they were already dismissing his football ability rather than his media skills.
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Agree with a lot of things you say Pala but certainly not this one. We play players we and our junior systems have produced. Opportunists like Arnold and ancestory.com can fuck right off.
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+xAgree with a lot of things you say Pala but certainly not this one. We play players we and our junior systems have produced. Opportunists like Arnold and ancestory.com can fuck right off. Kewell never came through our systems.. that's probably why we have never see anyone even near him.
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+x+xAgree with a lot of things you say Pala but certainly not this one. We play players we and our junior systems have produced. Opportunists like Arnold and ancestory.com can fuck right off. Kewell never came through our systems.. that's probably why we have never see anyone even near him. Thats wrong, H spent time at Marconi and with David Lee's private academy before going to Leeds when he was around 14 or 15.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSouttar’s assist.
Commentary is incorrect - it was Souttar not Jordan Thompson’s pass That's a quality pass!! A giant CB who can slot through balls like that, I think the Socceroos are onto a winner there. Probably the understatement of the century. I know Mabil is in the CL and Ryan is playing for a bottom half PL club. Souttar is arguably Australia's best player at the moment imo. Sofascore have him as the third best player in the Championship this season, he's just turned 22 and is a 6"6 CB. He we will be bought for 15m+ by a premier league club this time next year if he continues like this. Look at what Leeds bid for Ben White, Rondon just moved to Tottenham, Godfrey to Everton etc. Half decent young CB's, even in the championship are worth an absolute fortune. Especially a 6"6 one that is good on the ball and plays his best football center of a back 3. Mabil is playing champions league football over someone that is doing well in the Championships, slow down and show some perspective. Souttar is showing he’s got great potential but it’s Stoke City in the Championship and there is many good players at that level too, also celebrating a player that isn’t from Australia as well doesn’t bode me well either when others deserve better attention. Cool story. They also just got annihilated at home. He's not playing for Bayern Munich, he's playing for a side that got into the back door of the CL and whom are very likely going to finish bottom of the group. The Danish league is no better than the Championship in reality, I'd argue it's probably weaker on average across the board. The fact that Midtylland's owner is also the owner of Brentford (his main project) and prioritises the London side over the Danish side is also pretty telling. As for Souttar - as I said, he's more than doing well, he's the third highest ranked player in the entire division by more than 1 website. Here's some central defenders whom have recently competed in the Championship: Ben White (23 - Leeds) - Brighton knocked back a £30m offer from Leeds after his season on loan in the championship last year. The year prior he spent at L1 Peterborough and L2 Newport (Sound familiar?) Joe Rodon (23 - Swansea) - Moved to Tottenham for £12m after his 2019 seasons in the championship for Swansea Ben Godfrey (22 - Norwich) - Moved to Everton for £25m after yoyo-ing from the Championship to PL with Norwich White is the only one of those 3 that had this sort of form for a sustained period in the championship. The last CB to average what Souttar is currently across a full season in the championship is current Brighton captain and English international Lewis Dunk. You are underestimating this sort of form and how competitive this league is. Aaron Mooy as an example was ranked inside the top 80 in Huddersfields 16/17 campaign and there were dozens of people on here waxing lyrical about him. Luongo, Irvine and Wright have never been higher than the top 200. Mooy was probably Australia's star player, even at Huddersfield in 16/17'. All three of them are Socceroo regulars. Birmingham fans are already ripping into McGree…. it's not an easy league. I couldn't care less where he was born, we have lost plenty of Australian players over the years to other countries for that to be thrown out the window. Trust me, as a Leeds fan, I've watched the Championship week in week out for a few years now. If you are considered anywhere close to a top 10 player in the league, you are a legitimate PL quality player, or a top 5 European league caliber player. We don't exactly have them fall out of trees at the moment and despite all the whining by some on here regarding how hard done by the likes of Milligan and Sainsbury were, both of them shot blanks in Europe for the most part. The test will be for Souttar to replicate it the form across a whole season. The fact that fans are celebrating a player that isn’t born here shows where we really are in our development as a football nation right now. We are acting like a small nation act when they get a naturalised player to play for their country, once a upon a time ago Australia used to develop players at top 5 leagues at a impressive rate produced from our own backyard and now we are celebrating players achievements like Souttar and Boyle who are not from here, how much we have fallen since 2006... The other 210 members of FIFA are all playing by the same nationality rules as us. We never needed to take advantage of it then, so why now? I think people know the answer why. In fairness, in the past which footballers raised abroad (but with Aussie passports) put up their hands to represent Australia? There may be some. But no examples leap to mind (for me, at any rate) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australia_international_soccer_players_born_outside_Australia Okay but how many of them weren't raised in Australia altogether. Heaps. I'm not going to spend my limited free time going through it one by one for you though unfortunately, but feel free to read through yourself, wiki is pretty good for Australian football history. Far, far bigger football countries than us have been capping players that have been born and grown up overseas for many years now. Hargraves for England, Kevin Kuranyi for Germany, Diego Costa for Spain, Deco for Portugal, Eduardo for Croatia, just going off the top of my head as I type. Very many more examples. I wasn't suggesting that you go through them individually :) I'm also not too keen on sifting through all the names there to find out who didn't grow up in Australia at all. Most of the names from recent years are blokes who came to Australia when they were very small (or at most, in their teens): Jimmy Jeggo, Milos Degenek, Apostolos Giannou, Ange (bit further back), Connor Pain, Daniel Arzani, Thomas Deng, Awer Mabil, Archie Thompson, Nikita Rukyavytsya, Bruce Djite, Eli Babalj, Dario Vidosic. Their situations are poles apart from Souttar and Boyle. If the wikipedia page were altered to " List of Australia international soccer players who didn't grow up in Australia", they, at least, wouldn't be in the page. As regards, those for other countries... I grant you Deco and Owen Hargreaves. Kevin Kuranyi and Eduardo were in their mid teens when they moved to Europe. Diego Costa, yep, but I reckon he comes across as a it of a mercenary ). I guess, aside from Hargreaves, most of those guys at least lived in the country which they representing. They became naturalised. They at least had lived in the country that they played for. Martin Boyle hadn't actually set foot in Australia before he was named in a squad, iirc. And Souttar has never actually lived in Australia, AFAIK. Although, imo, if you are naturalised as an adult (and if you still have the opportunity to represent the country you grew up in), oughtn't to be playing for Australia, I reckon. Other countries may do it. And it is unlawful to discriminate in the workplace. But this whole situation (across the world) doesn't make me any happier. That Australia is starting to copy other countries makes it worse. That’s the thing with these names like Deco, Diego Costa, Eduardo etc is that they have played in those countries some from their teens if I’m not correct, a lot different when you haven’t been in the country before let alone have lived there and all of a sudden you are representing that country on the spin in a World Cup qualifier. Does Boyle and Souttar have Oz citizenships? Even those names on wiki a lot of them played in the old NSL era before playing for the Socceroos, and I can take that as they at least get the mentality of the country and the players.
Regardless I wish Souttar and Boyle all the best and do very well for the green and gold, but in an ideal world we don’t go on this path unless we have to if we have a shortage in our player pool. In an ideal world we wouldn’t have had covid19 fuck up the entire year for all the Socceroos games. If Aussie kids want to play for the Socceroos instead of the likes of Boyle and Souttar then they have to play better football than them. Best players -who are eligible according to Fifa - get the gig. This thread is getting derailed guys.! So you would prefer more players like Boyle and Souttar to play in front of players that have been in the system? This isn't club football or in FIFA Ultimate team. If you got no problem to have players that have never in our shores to play for the country then good for you but international football is alot different than the standard club football where its about emotional connection for who you represent, but I guess modern football fans dont get this....
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Yeah it's not as if Harry had never kicked a ball before when we went to England.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSouttar’s assist.
Commentary is incorrect - it was Souttar not Jordan Thompson’s pass That's a quality pass!! A giant CB who can slot through balls like that, I think the Socceroos are onto a winner there. Probably the understatement of the century. I know Mabil is in the CL and Ryan is playing for a bottom half PL club. Souttar is arguably Australia's best player at the moment imo. Sofascore have him as the third best player in the Championship this season, he's just turned 22 and is a 6"6 CB. He we will be bought for 15m+ by a premier league club this time next year if he continues like this. Look at what Leeds bid for Ben White, Rondon just moved to Tottenham, Godfrey to Everton etc. Half decent young CB's, even in the championship are worth an absolute fortune. Especially a 6"6 one that is good on the ball and plays his best football center of a back 3. Mabil is playing champions league football over someone that is doing well in the Championships, slow down and show some perspective. Souttar is showing he’s got great potential but it’s Stoke City in the Championship and there is many good players at that level too, also celebrating a player that isn’t from Australia as well doesn’t bode me well either when others deserve better attention. Cool story. They also just got annihilated at home. He's not playing for Bayern Munich, he's playing for a side that got into the back door of the CL and whom are very likely going to finish bottom of the group. The Danish league is no better than the Championship in reality, I'd argue it's probably weaker on average across the board. The fact that Midtylland's owner is also the owner of Brentford (his main project) and prioritises the London side over the Danish side is also pretty telling. As for Souttar - as I said, he's more than doing well, he's the third highest ranked player in the entire division by more than 1 website. Here's some central defenders whom have recently competed in the Championship: Ben White (23 - Leeds) - Brighton knocked back a £30m offer from Leeds after his season on loan in the championship last year. The year prior he spent at L1 Peterborough and L2 Newport (Sound familiar?) Joe Rodon (23 - Swansea) - Moved to Tottenham for £12m after his 2019 seasons in the championship for Swansea Ben Godfrey (22 - Norwich) - Moved to Everton for £25m after yoyo-ing from the Championship to PL with Norwich White is the only one of those 3 that had this sort of form for a sustained period in the championship. The last CB to average what Souttar is currently across a full season in the championship is current Brighton captain and English international Lewis Dunk. You are underestimating this sort of form and how competitive this league is. Aaron Mooy as an example was ranked inside the top 80 in Huddersfields 16/17 campaign and there were dozens of people on here waxing lyrical about him. Luongo, Irvine and Wright have never been higher than the top 200. Mooy was probably Australia's star player, even at Huddersfield in 16/17'. All three of them are Socceroo regulars. Birmingham fans are already ripping into McGree…. it's not an easy league. I couldn't care less where he was born, we have lost plenty of Australian players over the years to other countries for that to be thrown out the window. Trust me, as a Leeds fan, I've watched the Championship week in week out for a few years now. If you are considered anywhere close to a top 10 player in the league, you are a legitimate PL quality player, or a top 5 European league caliber player. We don't exactly have them fall out of trees at the moment and despite all the whining by some on here regarding how hard done by the likes of Milligan and Sainsbury were, both of them shot blanks in Europe for the most part. The test will be for Souttar to replicate it the form across a whole season. The fact that fans are celebrating a player that isn’t born here shows where we really are in our development as a football nation right now. We are acting like a small nation act when they get a naturalised player to play for their country, once a upon a time ago Australia used to develop players at top 5 leagues at a impressive rate produced from our own backyard and now we are celebrating players achievements like Souttar and Boyle who are not from here, how much we have fallen since 2006... The other 210 members of FIFA are all playing by the same nationality rules as us. We never needed to take advantage of it then, so why now? I think people know the answer why. In fairness, in the past which footballers raised abroad (but with Aussie passports) put up their hands to represent Australia? There may be some. But no examples leap to mind (for me, at any rate) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australia_international_soccer_players_born_outside_Australia Okay but how many of them weren't raised in Australia altogether. Heaps. I'm not going to spend my limited free time going through it one by one for you though unfortunately, but feel free to read through yourself, wiki is pretty good for Australian football history. Far, far bigger football countries than us have been capping players that have been born and grown up overseas for many years now. Hargraves for England, Kevin Kuranyi for Germany, Diego Costa for Spain, Deco for Portugal, Eduardo for Croatia, just going off the top of my head as I type. Very many more examples. I wasn't suggesting that you go through them individually :) I'm also not too keen on sifting through all the names there to find out who didn't grow up in Australia at all. Most of the names from recent years are blokes who came to Australia when they were very small (or at most, in their teens): Jimmy Jeggo, Milos Degenek, Apostolos Giannou, Ange (bit further back), Connor Pain, Daniel Arzani, Thomas Deng, Awer Mabil, Archie Thompson, Nikita Rukyavytsya, Bruce Djite, Eli Babalj, Dario Vidosic. Their situations are poles apart from Souttar and Boyle. If the wikipedia page were altered to " List of Australia international soccer players who didn't grow up in Australia", they, at least, wouldn't be in the page. As regards, those for other countries... I grant you Deco and Owen Hargreaves. Kevin Kuranyi and Eduardo were in their mid teens when they moved to Europe. Diego Costa, yep, but I reckon he comes across as a it of a mercenary ). I guess, aside from Hargreaves, most of those guys at least lived in the country which they representing. They became naturalised. They at least had lived in the country that they played for. Martin Boyle hadn't actually set foot in Australia before he was named in a squad, iirc. And Souttar has never actually lived in Australia, AFAIK. Although, imo, if you are naturalised as an adult (and if you still have the opportunity to represent the country you grew up in), oughtn't to be playing for Australia, I reckon. Other countries may do it. And it is unlawful to discriminate in the workplace. But this whole situation (across the world) doesn't make me any happier. That Australia is starting to copy other countries makes it worse. That’s the thing with these names like Deco, Diego Costa, Eduardo etc is that they have played in those countries some from their teens if I’m not correct, a lot different when you haven’t been in the country before let alone have lived there and all of a sudden you are representing that country on the spin in a World Cup qualifier. Does Boyle and Souttar have Oz citizenships? Even those names on wiki a lot of them played in the old NSL era before playing for the Socceroos, and I can take that as they at least get the mentality of the country and the players.
Regardless I wish Souttar and Boyle all the best and do very well for the green and gold, but in an ideal world we don’t go on this path unless we have to if we have a shortage in our player pool. In an ideal world we wouldn’t have had covid19 fuck up the entire year for all the Socceroos games. If Aussie kids want to play for the Socceroos instead of the likes of Boyle and Souttar then they have to play better football than them. Best players -who are eligible according to Fifa - get the gig. This thread is getting derailed guys.! So you would prefer more players like Boyle and Souttar to play in front of players that have been in the system? This isn't club football or in FIFA Ultimate team. If you got no problem to have players that have never in our shores to play for the country then good for you but international football is alot different than the standard club football where its about emotional connection for who you represent, but I guess modern football fans dont get this.... Edit.
Aussies Abroad is a sacred thread and it's best to avoid derailing it. So I've deleted my reply to Barca4Life and, instead, I've copied and pasted it to a new thread, "Playing for Australia (even as a citizen by descent) without having grown up/lived in Australia. Yay or nay? https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2929581/Playing-for-Australia-even-as-a-citizen-by-descent-without-having-grown-uplived-in-Australia-Yay-or-
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+x+x+xAgree with a lot of things you say Pala but certainly not this one. We play players we and our junior systems have produced. Opportunists like Arnold and ancestory.com can fuck right off. Kewell never came through our systems.. that's probably why we have never see anyone even near him. Thats wrong, H spent time at Marconi and with David Lee's private academy before going to Leeds when he was around 14 or 15. Kewell also attended Westfield Sports High School.
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It's great to see everyone help keep the sacred thread on track while still keeping the discussion going on other threads.
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Urghh, wrong thread. Must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed today.
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Suwon on Optus tonight, but looks like Antonis and Taggart are on the bench
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Sorry for detailing the thread, quickflick has got it going in another thread now.
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+xSorry for detailing the thread, quickflick has got it going in another thread now. Just as much my fault, too, haha.
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Mooy starting VAR is so bad in this Suwon match...
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+xMooy starting VAR is so bad in this Suwon match... Big Shanghai Derby and blimey the players are actually running
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20 mins powder puff from mooy
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Mooy fouled for pen,
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Shanghai match going to penalties
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Mooy scores his pen in shootout
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Mooy will be getting a semi, after winning shootout
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Big home game for Sainsbury against Anderlecht Friday night.
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Williams scored for Qadisiya. Good control, pretty easy finish.
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Sainsbury starting
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+xBig home game for Sainsbury against Anderlecht Friday night. Full game in a 1-3 loss.
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Williams' goal at the start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTtYstcjosk
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Deng bench.
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Big 4-0 win for Ange’s YFM over the higher placed FC Tokyo. YFM currently seventh but within range of the all the teams above them now except the leaders.
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Fucking knew it. At Hannover Düsseldorf and Borrello on bench.
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Good work by Mahazi at 8:05. Even better commentary... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78n1rzdYYnk
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Red for Düsseldorf on 50. 0:0. Borrello might come on only if Hannover score.
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