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Someone call the agent of Lindsay Collins and tell him we have 700k a season for him.

Love this guy
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The ref has changed sides.
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hounddog - 18 Nov 2020 9:39 PM
Mooloolabadog - 18 Nov 2020 9:24 PM

I  think the point is he is way better than anyone running the NRL in the last 30 years.

We need to go back to Quayle to find a possibly better better option.

So irpt isn't perhaps that Van is great, just that the others doing the job in recent times were pathetic.

Just don't understand why people are so touchy about PVL.
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Mooloolabadog - 18 Nov 2020 9:50 PM
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Just don't understand why people are so touchy about PVL.

Who is PVL?
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Did  Dman just run on to the field?
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hounddog - 18 Nov 2020 9:55 PM
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Who is PVL?

Peter V'Landys
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Has to be Penalty try.....
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Most pathetic refereeing but what do you expect from that idiot sutton. The cvnt must be on the take. I wont even congratulate qld on that shallow victory.
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Mooloolabadog - 18 Nov 2020 9:50 PM
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Just don't understand why people are so touchy about PVL.

Don’t know about touchy, I just thought calling a work in progress idea to combat the current contract scourge as typical NRL ineffective tokenism was a tad unfair.... I just call it as I see it... ;)
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Villi - 18 Nov 2020 10:07 PM
Has to be Penalty try.....

I recon Fox would have got there easily, however one of those decisions where one side will be unhappy.

QLD got all the calls but NSW attack without Teddy is poor.
 
Cleary ran the ball too much, NSW way too flat for most of the game.
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ODF - 18 Nov 2020 10:15 PM
Most pathetic refereeing but what do you expect from that idiot sutton. The cvnt must be on the take. I wont even congratulate qld on that shallow victory.

At least there ms not two of the pricks out there... hope the game sticks with one ref next year... I can’t see any value in reverting to two in a COVID safe new  norm blah blah...
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ODF - 18 Nov 2020 10:15 PM
Most pathetic refereeing but what do you expect from that idiot sutton. The cvnt must be on the take. I wont even congratulate qld on that shallow victory.

It was the correct decision.
The ball was kicked through by JAC and even though he was likely to get there ahead of Munster and other QLDers, it's a bouncing footy and just as Brenko Lee had to turn and change direction, there was doubt JAC would still get the ball down.
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Nice speech by DCE!

"On behalf of the worst ever team....."
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Don't go there Marki. You can't say correct call. You can't say he would not of got the try as much as you can't say he would have score, but the thing is a professional foul by a queensland player denied JAC the opportunity and therefore there was reasonable consideration that he would have scored. Once again I think the officials got it wrong.
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Qld line speed way to good. But, once again, Cooks passing game was horrendous. I really felt for Cleary who would have put on a few try’s if he got clean ball. I love watching Cook play but his forwards have made him look good. 

Every Qld player looked so much better than what they are. It’s what Lang park does. But Harry Grant went to that next level. I have said it for a few years now. He will be the best player in the game in a couple of years. Maybe the best ever . 

Fuck I hate QLD

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ODF - 18 Nov 2020 10:30 PM
Don't go there Marki. You can't say correct call. You can't say he would not of got the try as much as you can't say he would have score, but the thing is a professional foul by a queensland player denied JAC the opportunity and therefore there was reasonable consideration that he would have scored. Once again I think the officials got it wrong.

I can 100% assure you the officials got it right.
They went through their due process and a decision based on the current rules was made.

The current rules state there could be next to zero doubt he would have scored. There was more than needed doubt and the decision was made.

You can disagree with the rules - that's fine.
But the refs are not at fault
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Why? An illegal play by an opposition player caused doubt and you think that is ok, because that is what you are implying.
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ODF - 18 Nov 2020 10:41 PM
Why? An illegal play by an opposition player caused doubt and you think that is ok, because that is what you are implying.

Like I said. Your issue is with the rule, not the officials. The officials followed the correct procedure to a tee. 

Even the decision was consistent with many previous ones.

That far out from the tryline with the ball still moving and that many defenders near JAC, the is enough doubt to not warrant the penalty try. 

You have to also consider that it was only the raised elbow by Corey Allan that was foul play. If he doesnt raise the elbow, JAC still collides with him as Allan cabt just disappear which then puts Munster ahead of him in the race.

It was an interesting play but refs process was right and based on the rules, decision was also right.

I've seen tries called back for obstruction which were more dubious than this incident.



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Sorry Marki, but your arguement is flawed. Who cares if it was "just a raised elbow" it could have been "just a foot sticking out" or "just a bump" but in the end it was an illegal play and qld were "rewarded". No rule in the book favours an illegal play.
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Why can’t Harry Grant do a Josh Aloia?

Offer the kid a Jason Taulmalolo type deal...... and get him to Belmore
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ODF - 19 Nov 2020 7:29 AM
Sorry Marki, but your arguement is flawed. Who cares if it was "just a raised elbow" it could have been "just a foot sticking out" or "just a bump" but in the end it was an illegal play and qld were "rewarded". No rule in the book favours an illegal play.

I think the rule is simply that if the opinion of the referee is that a try would have been scored but for foul play a try may be awarded. Zero doubt is an embellishment not in the rule.  It must come down to opinion because no one can determine with absolute certainty any sequence of events
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ODF - 19 Nov 2020 7:29 AM
Sorry Marki, but your arguement is flawed. Who cares if it was "just a raised elbow" it could have been "just a foot sticking out" or "just a bump" but in the end it was an illegal play and qld were "rewarded". No rule in the book favours an illegal play.

He was dealt with by being sin binned.
That's the rule.

Tedesco was lost for 60mins from an innocuous knee clash. Similar result. Rules stated he couldnt return. 

Nothing wrong with you disagreeing with the rule, but until its changed, it is what it is.
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Mooloolabadog - 19 Nov 2020 8:12 AM
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I think the rule is simply that if the opinion of the referee is that a try would have been scored but for foul play a try may be awarded. Zero doubt is an embellishment not in the rule.  It must come down to opinion because no one can determine with absolute certainty any sequence of events

Precedence has pretty much set the framework as follows: 
1) was player leading the race to the ball
2) proximity to ball
3) moving ball proximity to dead ball line
4) how many defending players near the ball
5) would the attacker ground the ball cleanly

Unless you can provide sufficient answers to all of the above, it wont be given. And you couldn't rule all the above out in that incident. 

At least in the above type of cases, if you dont get awarded the try, you at least get a 1 man advantage for the next 10mins unless the clock is lower than 10min

Yes alot of it is opinion but if you follow the above due process, I think it's fair enough to rule 1 way or the other

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Marki - 19 Nov 2020 2:16 PM
Mooloolabadog - 19 Nov 2020 8:12 AM

Precedence has pretty much set the framework as follows: 
1) was player leading the race to the ball
2) proximity to ball
3) moving ball proximity to dead ball line
4) how many defending players near the ball
5) would the attacker ground the ball cleanly

Unless you can provide sufficient answers to all of the above, it wont be given. And you couldn't rule all the above out in that incident. 

At least in the above type of cases, if you dont get awarded the try, you at least get a 1 man advantage for the next 10mins unless the clock is lower than 10min

Yes alot of it is opinion but if you follow the above due process, I think it's fair enough to rule 1 way or the other

Good day in the Far North, not a drop of XXXX or Bundy left on the property. QLD Champs again... Did Nathan "They didn't ask me about the video" Cleary play?

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Marki - 19 Nov 2020 2:16 PM
Mooloolabadog - 19 Nov 2020 8:12 AM

Precedence has pretty much set the framework as follows: 
1) was player leading the race to the ball
2) proximity to ball
3) moving ball proximity to dead ball line
4) how many defending players near the ball
5) would the attacker ground the ball cleanly

Unless you can provide sufficient answers to all of the above, it wont be given. And you couldn't rule all the above out in that incident. 

At least in the above type of cases, if you dont get awarded the try, you at least get a 1 man advantage for the next 10mins unless the clock is lower than 10min

Yes alot of it is opinion but if you follow the above due process, I think it's fair enough to rule 1 way or the other

Didn't argue one way or the other. No embellishment, no precedents, just the opinion of the referee as per the rules.
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Marki - 19 Nov 2020 2:16 PM
Mooloolabadog - 19 Nov 2020 8:12 AM

Precedence has pretty much set the framework as follows: 
1) was player leading the race to the ball
2) proximity to ball
3) moving ball proximity to dead ball line
4) how many defending players near the ball
5) would the attacker ground the ball cleanly

Unless you can provide sufficient answers to all of the above, it wont be given. And you couldn't rule all the above out in that incident. 

At least in the above type of cases, if you dont get awarded the try, you at least get a 1 man advantage for the next 10mins unless the clock is lower than 10min

Yes alot of it is opinion but if you follow the above due process, I think it's fair enough to rule 1 way or the other

Precedence has pretty much set the framework as follows: 

Queensland: A few class players surrounded by a few experienced and some young blokes who gave their absolute all for QLD and coached by one of the best. Champs 2020

NSW: A stack of superstar (according to the media) players who should have won the series easily. Were out muscled and out Origined. Coached by Channel 9's & Nick's puppy. Loosers 2020

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CapeYorkDoggie - 19 Nov 2020 3:17 PM
Marki - 19 Nov 2020 2:16 PM

Precedence has pretty much set the framework as follows: 

Queensland: A few class players surrounded by a few experienced and young guys who gave their absolute all for QLD and coached by one of the best. Champs 2020

NSW: A stack of superstar (according to the media) players who should have won the series easily. Were out muscled. Coached by Channel 9's & Nick's puppy. Loosers 2020

Been the story of the last 40 years.
The reality is that QLD rose to the ocassion as they usually do at Suncorp and completely dominated the game. 

The key were the halves. Munster and DCE just ran the show. Gagai, Collins, Grant, Arrow and Papalli supported them well. The others just did their job. Holmes could have sealed it with 2 key dropsies but he at least converted all his kicks
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CapeYorkDoggie - 19 Nov 2020 3:17 PM
Marki - 19 Nov 2020 2:16 PM

Precedence has pretty much set the framework as follows: 

Queensland: A few class players surrounded by a few experienced and young guys who gave their absolute all for QLD and coached by one of the best. Champs 2020

NSW: A stack of superstar (according to the media) players who should have won the series easily. Were out muscled. Coached by Channel 9's & Nick's puppy. Loosers 2020

NSW can't repeat the mistake of changing their halves everytime they lose a series.
They need a good bench utility that can cover hooker, halves and centre.
They should run with 2 specalist centres.
While QLD had a lot of ball, NSW lacked punch in the forwards.

NSW were too flat and disorganized in attack.

The media never get it right. Personally I find old man Bennett just about the most boring person on the planet, but his ability to get football teams to win is about the best on the planet and has been for a long time.

Overall the teams are evenly matched, but Grant is way better than Cook in tackling, passing and reading play.
NSW have to do something to change that equation, maybe a different starting hooker and Cook coming off the bench.

Old man Bennett probably has another 20 years of boring press conferences and winning games. No one remembers the press conferences, they are not in the record book.
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Initial thoughts. NSW should start McGuinness and have Cook come off the bench.
At hooker or lock McGuinness should stiffen up the defence.
Cook will have more impact coming on fresh after 20-30 mins.

Gutherson isn't a centre, more than handy back up fullback.
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The thing is queensland won, winners are grinners and the loser can do whatever, but I think it's pretty clear cut that Fittler must go. If that's all he can muster out if aso called "superstar" team, both him and the players have failed massively.
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