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+xThe FFA (still calling them that for another week) has proposed a celebratory weekend of football at a neutral venue for the 2021 FFA cup final. This NPL representative match https://www.ffa.com.au/news/state-rivalry-be-reignited-perry-park would fit nicely with the theme, as would a similar clash between Vic and SA. Particularly if the teams were made up of the best young amateur talent across the country. But what if some of these state based NPL players are in the cup final with their club??? What purpose does something like this AFL/NRL jingoistic lame ass gimmicky shit serve other than to delay having NPL clubs actually playing others nationwide in a national second division? Its not going to lead to national squad selection as that is scouted mainly through the Aleague academies. Apart from trying to get the state of origin bogans to watch because they are probably pissed on a Friday night and cant tell what sport they are watching, just that the blue team is playing the purple team,
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+xThe FFA (still calling them that for another week) has proposed a celebratory weekend of football at a neutral venue for the 2021 FFA cup final. This NPL representative match https://www.ffa.com.au/news/state-rivalry-be-reignited-perry-park would fit nicely with the theme, as would a similar clash between Vic and SA. Particularly if the teams were made up of the best young amateur talent across the country. The re-introduction of state teams is a great idea. It means more football for the spectators and more matches for the better players. I'm definitely heading down to this game, hopefully all states will join in future years.
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The FFA (still calling them that for another week) has proposed a celebratory weekend of football at a neutral venue for the 2021 FFA cup final. This NPL representative match https://www.ffa.com.au/news/state-rivalry-be-reignited-perry-park would fit nicely with the theme, as would a similar clash between Vic and SA. Particularly if the teams were made up of the best young amateur talent across the country.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Okay, so having a team from another country in Australian competitions (A-League, FFA Cup) is terrible and we shouldn't do it because no-one else in the world does it*. * No-one else in the world does it, provided you ignore; Berwick Ranges (English, playing in the Scottish leagues) Cardiff & Swansea (Welsh, playing in the English leagues) FC Andorra (Andorran, playing in the Spanish leagues) Lemlands IF (Finnish, playing in the Swedish leagues) AP Campionese (Italian, playing in the Swiss leagues) FC Büsingen (German, playing in the Swiss leagues) 7 clubs from Liechtenstein who play in the Swiss leagues, but have a domestic cup. Monaco in the French leagues Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (Canadian, playing in the US) Teams from New Caledonia, Tahiti, Reunion, Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc playing in the French cup. (Oceania, Africa, North America playing in France) The aforementioned teams in the French cup being eligible to qualify for the UEFA Europa league. But sure, if you ignore all those examples, Australia is unique in having a team from another country competing domestically. With the exception of the MLS franchises (who are a joke of a thing anyway) do any of these other clubs have a guarantee of participation in the first division of their "adopted" countries win, lose or draw? Regardless of where they finish on the table? That’s a pretty disingenuous comment to make. How so? I stand by my question? What's not genuine about it? If these other countries have a closed monopoly system I don't know about I stand corrected but I'm pretty sure they don't. The discussion, although somewhat off topic, was about the Phoenix being allowed to play in a revamped (F) FA Cup. As was pointed out they are far from the only club to play in another country’s competition. So to bring up the fact that the a-league is a closed competition is irrelevant to the discussion. Thats my point though, its NOT irrelevant to the discussion. Look to use one example of the leagues you brought up with teams outside their national borders. Welsh teams are not given an undeniable right to compete in the EPL because of their geographic zone. Its not either Cardiff or Swansea every year, they EARN their spot. Wellington just get their license renewed. I dont really care if they are in the new FA cup or not to be honest, its just another team to beat for me.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Okay, so having a team from another country in Australian competitions (A-League, FFA Cup) is terrible and we shouldn't do it because no-one else in the world does it*. * No-one else in the world does it, provided you ignore; Berwick Ranges (English, playing in the Scottish leagues) Cardiff & Swansea (Welsh, playing in the English leagues) FC Andorra (Andorran, playing in the Spanish leagues) Lemlands IF (Finnish, playing in the Swedish leagues) AP Campionese (Italian, playing in the Swiss leagues) FC Büsingen (German, playing in the Swiss leagues) 7 clubs from Liechtenstein who play in the Swiss leagues, but have a domestic cup. Monaco in the French leagues Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (Canadian, playing in the US) Teams from New Caledonia, Tahiti, Reunion, Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc playing in the French cup. (Oceania, Africa, North America playing in France) The aforementioned teams in the French cup being eligible to qualify for the UEFA Europa league. But sure, if you ignore all those examples, Australia is unique in having a team from another country competing domestically. With the exception of the MLS franchises (who are a joke of a thing anyway) do any of these other clubs have a guarantee of participation in the first division of their "adopted" countries win, lose or draw? Regardless of where they finish on the table? That’s a pretty disingenuous comment to make. How so? I stand by my question? What's not genuine about it? If these other countries have a closed monopoly system I don't know about I stand corrected but I'm pretty sure they don't. The discussion, although somewhat off topic, was about the Phoenix being allowed to play in a revamped (F) FA Cup. As was pointed out they are far from the only club to play in another country’s competition. So to bring up the fact that the a-league is a closed competition is irrelevant to the discussion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Okay, so having a team from another country in Australian competitions (A-League, FFA Cup) is terrible and we shouldn't do it because no-one else in the world does it*. * No-one else in the world does it, provided you ignore; Berwick Ranges (English, playing in the Scottish leagues) Cardiff & Swansea (Welsh, playing in the English leagues) FC Andorra (Andorran, playing in the Spanish leagues) Lemlands IF (Finnish, playing in the Swedish leagues) AP Campionese (Italian, playing in the Swiss leagues) FC Büsingen (German, playing in the Swiss leagues) 7 clubs from Liechtenstein who play in the Swiss leagues, but have a domestic cup. Monaco in the French leagues Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (Canadian, playing in the US) Teams from New Caledonia, Tahiti, Reunion, Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc playing in the French cup. (Oceania, Africa, North America playing in France) The aforementioned teams in the French cup being eligible to qualify for the UEFA Europa league. But sure, if you ignore all those examples, Australia is unique in having a team from another country competing domestically. With the exception of the MLS franchises (who are a joke of a thing anyway) do any of these other clubs have a guarantee of participation in the first division of their "adopted" countries win, lose or draw? Regardless of where they finish on the table? That’s a pretty disingenuous comment to make. How so? I stand by my question? What's not genuine about it? If these other countries have a closed monopoly system I don't know about I stand corrected but I'm pretty sure they don't.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Okay, so having a team from another country in Australian competitions (A-League, FFA Cup) is terrible and we shouldn't do it because no-one else in the world does it*. * No-one else in the world does it, provided you ignore; Berwick Ranges (English, playing in the Scottish leagues) Cardiff & Swansea (Welsh, playing in the English leagues) FC Andorra (Andorran, playing in the Spanish leagues) Lemlands IF (Finnish, playing in the Swedish leagues) AP Campionese (Italian, playing in the Swiss leagues) FC Büsingen (German, playing in the Swiss leagues) 7 clubs from Liechtenstein who play in the Swiss leagues, but have a domestic cup. Monaco in the French leagues Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (Canadian, playing in the US) Teams from New Caledonia, Tahiti, Reunion, Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc playing in the French cup. (Oceania, Africa, North America playing in France) The aforementioned teams in the French cup being eligible to qualify for the UEFA Europa league. But sure, if you ignore all those examples, Australia is unique in having a team from another country competing domestically. With the exception of the MLS franchises (who are a joke of a thing anyway) do any of these other clubs have a guarantee of participation in the first division of their "adopted" countries win, lose or draw? Regardless of where they finish on the table? That’s a pretty disingenuous comment to make.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Okay, so having a team from another country in Australian competitions (A-League, FFA Cup) is terrible and we shouldn't do it because no-one else in the world does it*. * No-one else in the world does it, provided you ignore; Berwick Ranges (English, playing in the Scottish leagues) Cardiff & Swansea (Welsh, playing in the English leagues) FC Andorra (Andorran, playing in the Spanish leagues) Lemlands IF (Finnish, playing in the Swedish leagues) AP Campionese (Italian, playing in the Swiss leagues) FC Büsingen (German, playing in the Swiss leagues) 7 clubs from Liechtenstein who play in the Swiss leagues, but have a domestic cup. Monaco in the French leagues Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (Canadian, playing in the US) Teams from New Caledonia, Tahiti, Reunion, Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc playing in the French cup. (Oceania, Africa, North America playing in France) The aforementioned teams in the French cup being eligible to qualify for the UEFA Europa league. But sure, if you ignore all those examples, Australia is unique in having a team from another country competing domestically. With the exception of the MLS franchises (who are a joke of a thing anyway) do any of these other clubs have a guarantee of participation in the first division of their "adopted" countries win, lose or draw? Regardless of where they finish on the table?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Okay, so having a team from another country in Australian competitions (A-League, FFA Cup) is terrible and we shouldn't do it because no-one else in the world does it*. * No-one else in the world does it, provided you ignore; Berwick Ranges (English, playing in the Scottish leagues) Cardiff & Swansea (Welsh, playing in the English leagues) FC Andorra (Andorran, playing in the Spanish leagues) Lemlands IF (Finnish, playing in the Swedish leagues) AP Campionese (Italian, playing in the Swiss leagues) FC Büsingen (German, playing in the Swiss leagues) 7 clubs from Liechtenstein who play in the Swiss leagues, but have a domestic cup. Monaco in the French leagues Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal (Canadian, playing in the US) Teams from New Caledonia, Tahiti, Reunion, Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc playing in the French cup. (Oceania, Africa, North America playing in France) The aforementioned teams in the French cup being eligible to qualify for the UEFA Europa league. But sure, if you ignore all those examples, Australia is unique in having a team from another country competing domestically.
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+xHopefully the ACT government comes to the table and provides a bit of funding in exchange for long-term hosting rights. I can't see FA choosing Canberra as a permanent venue for the final unless the ACT Govt comes to the party with financial support. And so they should as travelling fans will bring in a lot of money.
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+x+xAnyone know if the name is going to be changed from the FFA Cup?? (ie- to Australian Cup or FA Cup etc) We all know that it'll be [Sponsor Name] Cup. If they can find one, that is. Wasn’t it called “The FFA Cup sponsored by Westfield” before though?
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+xAnyone know if the name is going to be changed from the FFA Cup?? (ie- to Australian Cup or FA Cup etc) We all know that it'll be [Sponsor Name] Cup. If they can find one, that is.
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+x+x+x+xIm glad they didn't go with the group stages idea... Disagree again. A group stage (as a one off) that drags out for 10-12 weeks would have been ideal when we have an 8-month offseason coming up. No mate, its only the A league clubs that will have a long off season, the rest of Australian soccer will be just fine. The new FA, now that the A-league has been left to fend for itself, is tasked with looking after the whole of the game, not just the 11 professional clubs. Like I've said before, they can organise a leagues cup or some sort of carnival between themselves to fill the empty days before the following season - They play each other 3-4 times a year anyway, what's another 2-3? Also back a league cup if aleague teams want more games. A-league teams plus the NPL premiers for 4 groups of 5 achieves that neatly gives everyone two home and two away games minimum. Yeah but the NPL teams in most states are already playing 26 rounds plus finals, plus Npl national finals plus ffa/state cup, they dont NEED the extra games
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+x+x+xIm glad they didn't go with the group stages idea... Disagree again. A group stage (as a one off) that drags out for 10-12 weeks would have been ideal when we have an 8-month offseason coming up. No mate, its only the A league clubs that will have a long off season, the rest of Australian soccer will be just fine. The new FA, now that the A-league has been left to fend for itself, is tasked with looking after the whole of the game, not just the 11 professional clubs. Like I've said before, they can organise a leagues cup or some sort of carnival between themselves to fill the empty days before the following season - They play each other 3-4 times a year anyway, what's another 2-3? Also back a league cup if aleague teams want more games. A-league teams plus the NPL premiers for 4 groups of 5 achieves that neatly gives everyone two home and two away games minimum.
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+xI would support Canberra as a permanent venue for the final as long as the final was always played on a Saturday to make it easier for everyone to travel. But I would expect the ACT government to pump some money in to make this happen. I would also make the permanent date of the final the Saturday after November 16 to always commemmorate November 16, 2005. It should be held on the international calendar break in November, which coincidentally enough is usually some time around November 16. Hopefully the ACT government comes to the table and provides a bit of funding in exchange for long-term hosting rights.
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+x+x+xThink the neutral venue is waste. Should have just been drawn like every game before it. The only reason seems to be ‘But England do it like this..’ I can’t find where it is quoted by JJ that we are going to do it like this because England do...can you enlighten me. I just doesn’t make sense here that’s all. That’s e only reason that I can think of. Why else would they do it? Because having at the home ground of one of the finalists gives an unfair advantage to whoever is hosting (and unlike the A-League grand final, there is no way of deciding this on merit). And it's not just England that does this, but Germany, France, Italy, Holland, Japan, etc., etc.
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+x+xThink the neutral venue is waste. Should have just been drawn like every game before it. The only reason seems to be ‘But England do it like this..’ I can’t find where it is quoted by JJ that we are going to do it like this because England do...can you enlighten me. I just doesn’t make sense here that’s all. That’s e only reason that I can think of. Why else would they do it?
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+xThink the neutral venue is waste. Should have just been drawn like every game before it. The only reason seems to be ‘But England do it like this..’ I can’t find where it is quoted by JJ that we are going to do it like this because England do...can you enlighten me.
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+x+xIm glad they didn't go with the group stages idea... Disagree again. A group stage (as a one off) that drags out for 10-12 weeks would have been ideal when we have an 8-month offseason coming up. No mate, its only the A league clubs that will have a long off season, the rest of Australian soccer will be just fine. The new FA, now that the A-league has been left to fend for itself, is tasked with looking after the whole of the game, not just the 11 professional clubs. Like I've said before, they can organise a leagues cup or some sort of carnival between themselves to fill the empty days before the following season - They play each other 3-4 times a year anyway, what's another 2-3?
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Think the neutral venue is waste. Should have just been drawn like every game before it. The only reason seems to be ‘But England do it like this..’
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+xIm glad they didn't go with the group stages idea... Disagree again. A group stage (as a one off) that drags out for 10-12 weeks would have been ideal when we have an 8-month offseason coming up. +xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by.
I would support Canberra as a permanent venue for the final as long as the final was always played on a Saturday to make it easier for everyone to travel. But I would expect the ACT government to pump some money in to make this happen. I would also make the permanent date of the final the Saturday after November 16 to always commemmorate November 16, 2005. +xBottom 4 playoff too for the AL. That way there is a definite disincentive to finish in the bottom 4. yep. this is pretty important.
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Difficult for Wellington. Oceania Confederation consider them an Australian team and Asian Confederation consider them an Oceania team. They are not eligible for the Oceania Champions League or the Asian Champions League. It should be one or the other. FIFA have sat on the fence. Ideally it should be the OCL, so that Oceania would have a professional team in the World Club Championship (or at least a team good enough to beat a professional team). Phoenix should be allowed to compete in the FFA Cup up until the time they are accepted into the OCL.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Didn't new Caledonia have a vote for independence from france?? They did. One more referendum to go.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Didn't new Caledonia have a vote for independence from france?? Fully support Wellingtons involvement in the Australasia Cup. Some on here always bagging Welly, well they are as welcome as Welsh clubs in English Leagues, and are performing well. I say good luck to them!
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I'm fine with Phoenix in the A-League, but I think it would be a good point of difference if the soon-to-be "Australia Cup" were restricted to Australian teams. And good for the Phoenix too to have competitive matches against other NZ sides if they participated in New Zealand's own cup (which has been going on for something like 100 years).
Sure, they would probably win it nearly every year, but surely the opportunity to go head to head against the likes of Auckland City or Canterbury United would be more enticing to their fans than an away match at Bentleigh Greens or whatever.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Unless we want to.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation. Didn't new Caledonia have a vote for independence from france??
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+x+x+x+x+xIn general, I like all of these proposals. I imagine the "neutral venue" for the final will be Canberra. Simon Hill mentioned this in an earlier article, and everything else in that article has pretty much panned out (I'm sure he got JJ to speak off the record). 8 out of 12 A-League are within a few hours of Canberra by road (Sydney: 3h, Newcastle: 5h, Melbourne: 7h) and two of the other four are a short flight away. Only Perth or Phoenix would be hard done by. Weekend fixtures for cup rounds is also good. Once the seasons are aligned this could be done during international calendar breaks, thus killing two birds with the one stone (A-League can pause to release international players, while there will still be club football on in the void; clubs missing players will serve as a random element - it's all part of the "magic of the cup"). Interesting, however, that there is no word on group stages for the Round of 32. In general I am relieved about this since I'm against the idea in general, but it does bring up what's going to happen in the super-long off-season between seasons 20-21 and 22. Maybe some kind of expanded pre-season cup with A-League and top NPL clubs mixed together? It will also be hard on the four clubs that have to play off for a Round of 32 spot. Why not just keep all 12 in, get rid of the slot for the NPL champion (who can qualify through the state preliminaries anyway), and have the following quotas: NSW: 4 VIC: 4 QLD: 3 (1 for NQ + CQ, 2 for SEQ) NNSW: 2 SA: 2 WA: 2 ACT: 1 TAS: 1 NT: 1 Or put Queensland back to 4 and get rid of the Nix. They can play in the Chatham Cup. This or making the lower A-League teams start in the state qualifiers was the answer. Nix have no business in a "Australia Cup." Why the issue with Wellington? I presume you have the same problems with the Welsh teams in the English PL, monaco playing in the French league, or those 3 Canadian teams in the MLS? And what about those pesky foreigners who keep playing in the Australian open golf or tennis? No business being there. None of those countries you mention are in seperate confederations but anyway Monaco is a micro state that might as well be in France, Wales is part of the same TV market as England so it makes little difference and the Canadian teams should be moving to the CPL now that they have their own league. I also couldn't care less about Golf or Tennis and don't really think comparing it's even worth comparing club based sport with a league format to individual sports that operate on a tour basis. The French Cup is open to the respective cup winners from French overseas territories. Although it's a competition within a UEFA nation, teams from North America, Africa and Oceania compete in it as well. And if one of these teams from North America/Africa/Oceania was to win the French Cup, they would compete in the UEFA Euro league... Last year's overseas competitors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Coupe_de_France#Overseas_Territories_teamsSo there you go. It's not just Australia that has teams from overseas (other confederations in fact) competing in it's domestic cup. loll carrying on like New Caledonia and French Polynesia are independent countries is a streeeeettttttch. The reality is just these territories are just various degrees of France and with the way the French carry on about their overseas land, they are somewhat obliged to include them in Football. We on the other hand have no good reason or obligation to include a team from another country that is completely independent and is in another confederation.
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Fantastic news regarding the return of the ffa cup, now for the NPL sides to screw the mums & dads for more money for little Johnny to participate at there club so they can get better players/ coaches and pay them top dollar for there side to make the final and have a chance into ACL, hope it does not happen?
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