Lol!

Well wouldn’t that extinguish the flares as they hit the water? Devastation for SM Hellas fans for sure.

They are marine flares dummy, you know, designed to be used around water...
Why are you still not answering the question? Has a tiny little seed of doubt been planted in the recesses of your fascinating mind? Are tens of thousands of comments denigrating Greeks and South Melbourne gping to prove a colossal waste of your time? 

The fatal flaw in your premise ... an oxymoron if ever there was.

Well I did say it was totally fantasy, never going to happen, hypothetical  :) 

https://mobile.twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1341502440596668417
Progress is slow but at least they have now given a date, 8th Jan ... I hope they mean 2021😏

Looks like they meant Jan 8th 2022 ... Very disappointing still no word.

Galatas on a recent podcast said that the aafc's disclosure will be revealed this week. I'd say the blueprint was not handed down by the aliens last week so who can blame him.
Don't know why Lederer put in his negative 20 cents worth about delaying 2nd division, I take it as obviously meaning the concept would be eating into his profit margins especially now that he is a partner in propping up the Jets. 
The Apl could charge $15 mil for each new franchise, with sweet FA's blessing if the 2nd div is purposely delayed, even for another 7 years as a matter of fact.'
We know that the 2nd div would obviously not begin with pro-rel, that would happen down the line. Galatas mentioned 2nd div could start up next season.

I don't know what the truth is, but from the outside looks like there just aren't enough people in positions of power pushing hard for this, and that's just the 2nd division, don't even worry about P&R

Oh I've well and truly given up on P/R in this country.. Dont even know if I want it anymore to be honest. A National comp that the State and NPL comps below it feed into is more than enough for me...  Sadly, despite many fans interest you are probably right though, just wasting my time holding my breath for dreams that wont happen. Oh well there is always NPL I suppose.

The Apl, including the oversee-er sweet FA, would not have the stomach to ask for $15mil from ex NSL teams to gain entry, to get to 16 teams either. This would be another reason why they won't be seriously considered for entry.
I'd like to think these clubs would be in with a shout, and not be asked to fork it or walk it as well.

I heard a pod with Galatas on the 8th and he said more details this week. The NSD would run alongside the A-League. As far as start dates he said the AAFC target date is 2022 if the A-League is a summer comp, 2023 if the A-League is a winter comp. 

Oh OK, I didnt know this or hear about it.... I guess there is still some faint hope... thanks

I'm sure the have the "stomach" to ask for it I just don't think anyone will be willing to stump up the cash, at least I hope not.

4 years ago now “with or without the FFA”

LOL

This! 

Agreed, Im staring to think that something or someone is seriously working against this ever getting off the ground.

AAFC's Galatas is getting to be known as being full of shite. Supposed to of been this week. I don't know, maybe Manny Galagotis strong armed him.

Maybe the APL unbundled United squad can get involved and sort it out? They really care about football in Australia and have always championed a fully connected pyramid of clubs with promotion and relegation....

A second division and in particular pro/rel, they couldn't see even in their dreams till recent times. Now all of a sudden its a probability. I still feel that the AAFC were silenced to not start trotting out a blueprint for the Second Division by owners and the like.

Too true.
Well they can't do it with FFA now that FFA have become FA.
Maybe they'll have to come up with a new statement and take another 4 years from now.

Yeah and it’s the inability for anyone to agree on anything.

There are likely a very disparate set of views on that working group, pushing for things that many won’t stomach, so unless they can come up with a plan that required minimal outlay by FA to get up and running, it won’t go anywhere. 

Or may be it just simply doesn’t stack up?

(“with or without the FFA”) LOL

Yeah your all probably right. Its just awesome that we will never have an aspirational club environment for soccer in this country.  Instead of wanting this to happen a few of you are actually happy that it probably wont.... just so you can keep the old nsl wogs out.... fuck some of you dopey cun+s would cut off your noses to spite your faces...... sad, racist, vile little idiots.... 

Just as you continue to post constant negativity, with most of it seemingly hoping anything to do with the A League fails, many look on and see such antics and see just how far some go to push agendas. 

And how exactly did a "club" like WU show their viability to not have to go through the rigmarol of joining a second division and then waiting another 40 ,50 years before being allowed to join the first division. What accountability to the original conditions of their acceptances for a license do they have and to whom? What happens when another 2 years pass with no stadium, then 3 then 4?
There are no structures in soccer here, it's ALL a about the few investors making a buck, thats the point mate. My bitching and moaning on a forum is the absolute least of our worries as foorball fans in this country...

The point they put up the cash to join is the reason they are in the competition. Pure and simple.

LOL playing the old racist card when in fact it is clubs like Hellas that want to keep to their own mono ethnic group and say f@ck the rest of you. Reverse racism.

AAFC outlines 'affordable and feasible' plan to introduce national second tier in 2022

playoey LynchAustralia Correspondent

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Joey Lynch

An "affordable and feasible" national second tier that sits below the Australian A-League could be up and running as soon as 2022, a report commissioned by a group of aspiring clubs has found.The Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC) -- a representative body of clubs outside the A-League that includes former National Soccer League champions such as Marconi Stallions, Melbourne Knights, South Melbourne, Sydney United, Adelaide City, Brisbane City and Wollongong Wolves -- envisions a 12-team national second division made up of existing National Premier League (NPL) clubs.
Expansion to 16 teams occurring via promotion from the NPL -- on condition of minimum standards being met -- would preferably occur in the first four years and full promotion and relegation between a national second division and existing NPL competitions would commence once a 16-team competition had been reached.
This report is about what our member clubs can contribute to Football Australia in establishing and operating a true national second tier," AAFC chairman Nick Galatas said. "It is about the best possible. Not about a notional 'best' or the merely 'possible.' It identifies the most viable and financially responsible model for a true national second tier to be able to both start and, as importantly, to grow."Initial competitors in the AAFC's vision would be sought from "as wide a geographic spread of team locations in capital cities and larger regional cities" as possible and teams would be selected based on a combination of meeting pre-qualification criteria and a selection process involving competitive matches.The report estimates that the costs of running the league would reach up to $3.3 million, and that participating clubs would, on top of paying a participation fee of $200,000 a season, require an operating budget of between $850,000 and $1.6m.The newly formed Australian second-tier, under the AAFC's template, would be overseen by an advisory board consisting of members from Football Australia, the AAFC, participatory clubs and an independent chair. Standing committees with responsibility for areas such as marketing, player and coach development, women's football and league standards would also be formed. Branding, marketing and commercial matters would be managed centrally by Football Australia.It is envisioned that the national second division's season would align with the A-League's as part of Football Australia's preference for a unified football calendar, however no preference is made between a winter or summer staging.Promotion and relegation between the A-League and a national second division, one of Australian football's most controversial topics, is not a formal feature of the proposal, but remains a medium to long term goal of the AAFC.

Under the group's plans, participatory second-tier clubs would have to possess stadium facilities that can accommodate a minimum of 3,000 fans and meet criteria surrounding their existing teams and youth development to gain access to the competition. Coaching -- coaching staffs would require, at minimum, A-license accreditation -- and governance, finance, facility, organisational structure, member protection, medical and reporting benchmarks would also need to be met.A comprehensive women's and girl's program with a focus on development would also be a prerequisite for any club seeking to participate in the proposed competition, with the AAFC also targeting the introduction of a women's national second division in 2025.With a single, national league preferred over a conference-based alternative, travel is foreseen as the single biggest cost associated with the running of a national second division, with a 12-team, 22-round national competition estimated to hold approximately $1.45m in transportation costs (approx. $120,000 per club) and a 16-team, 30-round competition estimated to require approximately $2.62m (Approx $165,000 per club)."This report advances a national second-tier model, after considering available options, which is financially viable and more importantly, financially responsible," Galatas said. "It is supported by our Partner Group of NPL clubs, which developed it and is available to be deployed by Football Australia for the benefit of the game."Although it has promised widespread consultation will all relevant stakeholders, ultimately, it is Football Australia that retains control over the introduction of a  of a potential national second division.

James Johnson has signalled his openness to the concept of such a competition in the past and highlighted the now completed process of unbundling Australia's professional leagues from his organisation as one of the key yard posts on the journey to its introduction. The AAFC's report ostensibly now enables further conversations between it and the federation to continue surrounding a key aspect of Football Australia's reservations surrounding the competition's introduction, with Johnson telling ESPN in August 2020 that he had "not seen a document, yet, from any stakeholder, that talks about the real practicalities of having a second tier. In particular, talking about the financial sustainability of having such a competition."A finalised version of the AAFC's findings is anticipated for arrival on April 2.

https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league/story/4290072/aafc-outlines-affordable-and-feasible-plan-to-introduce-national-second-tier-in-2022

The obvious thing needed, hopefully they get somewhere.