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+x+x+x+x+xI don't know why you people want to devalue the finals to such an extent. If it doesn't matter who wins them, we might as well not hold them. But with no relegation and no finals, there'll be nothing to play for except the premiership. At least now, there's some interest in who gets in the finals. There's something to be gained by finishing 4th or 5th instead of 7th. Eliminating the finals as something to strive for will make the league unimaginably dull. There will still be finals. And people will still care about them. Practically nobody gives a shit about the ACL anyway, and it's usually just a drag on club resources. Certainly none of the other professional sports in Australia have a champions league (or relegation) and people still seem to like their finals, even though 'it doesn't matter who wins them'. It does matter in the other codes. Minor premiership doesn't mean anything. It is widely understood that the winner of the grand final is the champion of the season. Only in football do so many people insist on emphasising the home and away winner as the true champion, which makes sense but is no fun. The finals provide a much needed boost of excitement in a static league with no promotion or relegation, but they only provide that if they mean something. If people have decided that minor premiership is all that matters and there's no incentive or benefit to winning the finals, what the hell are they there for? I agree that an ACL place isn't that much of an incentive anyway, but it's something. It sounds entirely absurd that winning the mickey mouse ffa cup carries more weight and reward that winning the grand final. It's funny how different people look at it. As a Sydney FC fan in 2018-2019, we were 2nd by 8 pts to Perth Glory in the premiership & beat them in a penalty shootout, no way did I feel that SFC were the champion team that year, we were 2nd best. 2017-18, we won the league by 14 pts & beat Melb Victory by 23 pts, but lost to MV in semis in xtra time who went on to win GF, no way did I see MV as the Champion team that year & SFC was the champions in my eyes. But you were the champion in 2019. Officially. Of course I can see how it's unfair on PG, but that's just how leagues with play offs operate. Back in the NSL, I remember when Wolves came back from 3-0 down at half time of a grand final in Perth and won it on penalties. I'm pretty sure Glory came first in the regular season, but there was no doubt around here that Wolves were the fully deserved champions, and are recorded as such. What an awesome grand final that was. It was almost as intense and nerve wracking as the Uruguay game for me. So I like finals. Occasionally a dominant team gets knocked off in the gf, but I actually like that element of unpredictability and surprise (as artificial as it is). Even in the English championship, the best and most exciting part of the season is the playoffs. Maybe when some kind of pyramid and pro/rel are introduced, we can think about doing away with American things, but for now it should be the finals that decide the league champion. It works. It generates some excitement and draws some attention. It shouldn't be devalued. C’mon, you’re just an excitable theatregoer not a real football supporter.
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+xAccording the 2022 AFC champions league Wikipedia page; Automatic spot for top of the table. Play off spot for FFA Cup winners. Another play off spot still to be determined. Will either be for 2nd on the table, or the Grand Final winners. I'm hoping it's for the GF winners. It will be worded in such a way that it can cover all possibilities, i.e. final spot will go to the grand final winner, but if the grand final winner has already qualified by one of the other means, it will go to 2nd, and if 2nd has already qualified (by winning the cup for example), it will then go to 3rd. That sort of wording is pretty normal. As for our grand final, from day one, the AFC has always recognised what we call the Premier, as the first team worthy of qualification, so in that respect, nothing has really changed from their perspective. We all know why the FFA had a finals series, not just that, at one point six out of 10 teams made the finals! It was ridiculous of course, but their objective was to keep fans of all clubs engaged in the season for as long as possible. Having said that, if we could find a way to morph our "finals" into some sort of league cup, and stop calling the winner the Champions, then that would probably be a very good day for Australian football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't know why you people want to devalue the finals to such an extent. If it doesn't matter who wins them, we might as well not hold them. But with no relegation and no finals, there'll be nothing to play for except the premiership. At least now, there's some interest in who gets in the finals. There's something to be gained by finishing 4th or 5th instead of 7th. Eliminating the finals as something to strive for will make the league unimaginably dull. There will still be finals. And people will still care about them. Practically nobody gives a shit about the ACL anyway, and it's usually just a drag on club resources. Certainly none of the other professional sports in Australia have a champions league (or relegation) and people still seem to like their finals, even though 'it doesn't matter who wins them'. It does matter in the other codes. Minor premiership doesn't mean anything. It is widely understood that the winner of the grand final is the champion of the season. Only in football do so many people insist on emphasising the home and away winner as the true champion, which makes sense but is no fun. The finals provide a much needed boost of excitement in a static league with no promotion or relegation, but they only provide that if they mean something. If people have decided that minor premiership is all that matters and there's no incentive or benefit to winning the finals, what the hell are they there for? I agree that an ACL place isn't that much of an incentive anyway, but it's something. It sounds entirely absurd that winning the mickey mouse ffa cup carries more weight and reward that winning the grand final. It's funny how different people look at it. As a Sydney FC fan in 2018-2019, we were 2nd by 8 pts to Perth Glory in the premiership & beat them in a penalty shootout, no way did I feel that SFC were the champion team that year, we were 2nd best. 2017-18, we won the league by 14 pts & beat Melb Victory by 23 pts, but lost to MV in semis in xtra time who went on to win GF, no way did I see MV as the Champion team that year & SFC was the champions in my eyes. Unfortunately, we have to go by which teams actually win the title(s), we can't all just decide who we think are the winners in our eyes. In both cases, bothe teams won titles, SFC in 2017-18, we won the premiership by 14 pts. We were the best team that year, lost a semis in xtra time. I celebrated our premiership win In 2018-19 Perth Glory won the premiership by 8pts, lost in a lucky penalty shootout, Perth Glory was the best team better then the SFC team. I didn't celebrate. You call yourself a supporter, but never celebrated? You are no supporter.
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given that the top 8 go in to Australia Cup (A-Cup) finals... they're just going to merge A-league finals and the A-Cup finals aren't they Oh FFS Why do I get the feeling that this is fuck us over?
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+xI don't know why you people want to devalue the finals to such an extent. If it doesn't matter who wins them, we might as well not hold them. But with no relegation and no finals, there'll be nothing to play for except the premiership. At least now, there's some interest in who gets in the finals. There's something to be gained by finishing 4th or 5th instead of 7th. Eliminating the finals as something to strive for will make the league unimaginably dull. This ! Some one WAS NOT thinking And by the way , WHERE is the P.L.A. N for promotoin &relagation ?? The SILENCE from fa is deafening ! At least have a plan , its NOT HARD Just Do.It !
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Good. Finals are shit anyway and it means we are finally adhering to ACL rules.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't know why you people want to devalue the finals to such an extent. If it doesn't matter who wins them, we might as well not hold them. But with no relegation and no finals, there'll be nothing to play for except the premiership. At least now, there's some interest in who gets in the finals. There's something to be gained by finishing 4th or 5th instead of 7th. Eliminating the finals as something to strive for will make the league unimaginably dull. There will still be finals. And people will still care about them. Practically nobody gives a shit about the ACL anyway, and it's usually just a drag on club resources. Certainly none of the other professional sports in Australia have a champions league (or relegation) and people still seem to like their finals, even though 'it doesn't matter who wins them'. It does matter in the other codes. Minor premiership doesn't mean anything. It is widely understood that the winner of the grand final is the champion of the season. Only in football do so many people insist on emphasising the home and away winner as the true champion, which makes sense but is no fun. The finals provide a much needed boost of excitement in a static league with no promotion or relegation, but they only provide that if they mean something. If people have decided that minor premiership is all that matters and there's no incentive or benefit to winning the finals, what the hell are they there for? I agree that an ACL place isn't that much of an incentive anyway, but it's something. It sounds entirely absurd that winning the mickey mouse ffa cup carries more weight and reward that winning the grand final. It's funny how different people look at it. As a Sydney FC fan in 2018-2019, we were 2nd by 8 pts to Perth Glory in the premiership & beat them in a penalty shootout, no way did I feel that SFC were the champion team that year, we were 2nd best. 2017-18, we won the league by 14 pts & beat Melb Victory by 23 pts, but lost to MV in semis in xtra time who went on to win GF, no way did I see MV as the Champion team that year & SFC was the champions in my eyes. But you were the champion in 2019. Officially. Of course I can see how it's unfair on PG, but that's just how leagues with play offs operate. Back in the NSL, I remember when Wolves came back from 3-0 down at half time of a grand final in Perth and won it on penalties. I'm pretty sure Glory came first in the regular season, but there was no doubt around here that Wolves were the fully deserved champions, and are recorded as such. What an awesome grand final that was. It was almost as intense and nerve wracking as the Uruguay game for me. So I like finals. Occasionally a dominant team gets knocked off in the gf, but I actually like that element of unpredictability and surprise (as artificial as it is). Even in the English championship, the best and most exciting part of the season is the playoffs. Maybe when some kind of pyramid and pro/rel are introduced, we can think about doing away with American things, but for now it should be the finals that decide the league champion. It works. It generates some excitement and draws some attention. It shouldn't be devalued. C’mon, you’re just an excitable theatregoer not a real football supporter. Exactly. Any true fans of a sport know that sport is inherently unscripted and full of drama and unpredictability. Even in the most one sided matches there is always something to look forward to like individual player milestones or spectacular plays. Even fans of teams shit kicking at the bottom of the season have something to watch every week. I know when Australia plays in the world cup I'm not watching just to see if they can win it This isnt about finals vs first past the post. The ACL literally has a finals, as does the world cup. Even the super league or whatever was looking to have a finals. Fans dont support a league based on its format, or go into convulsions when it looks different. Many sports fans enjoy many sports decided in many different ways What this boils down to is the validity and integrity of a competition. If the A League is to have a finals then the whole point is to eliminate the weaker teams and pit the best performing teams against each other one last time to determine the season finishing order. Not "if we keep the 7th and 8th team active for as long as possible, lol, profit". If the FA can't back the finals then they should scrap them This "one format for this set of fans and one format for the other" is just trying to manufacture support, like rigged draws and derbies galore. Doesnt work
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This isn't even new?
They announced that ages ago. FFA Cup gets a spot so the grand final winner loses it.
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+xThis isn't even new? They announced that ages ago. FFA Cup gets a spot so the grand final winner loses it. That's my understanding.
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Doesn't devalue the finals, it devalues the Asian Champions League.
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but but but this is how we always have sports in Australia Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
I agree with the FFA on this one. we are football, and we dont need to copy NRL/AFL Culture
Champion should always be rewarded to teams who are the most consistent in the league. Finals series always rewards mediocrity
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+xbut but but this is how we always have sports in Australia Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I agree with the FFA on this one. we are football, and we dont need to copy NRL/AFL Culture Champion should always be rewarded to teams who are the most consistent in the league. Finals series always rewards mediocrity To have first past the post then you must play every team equally home and away. Currently that is only 22 games per season, Cleary at least 10 games too few.
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+x+xbut but but this is how we always have sports in Australia Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I agree with the FFA on this one. we are football, and we dont need to copy NRL/AFL Culture Champion should always be rewarded to teams who are the most consistent in the league. Finals series always rewards mediocrity To have first past the post then you must play every team equally home and away. Currently that is only 22 games per season, Cleary at least 10 games too few. Hopefully this is what they are building towards.
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Big fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself.
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+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless.
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+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view.
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+x+x+xbut but but this is how we always have sports in Australia Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I agree with the FFA on this one. we are football, and we dont need to copy NRL/AFL Culture Champion should always be rewarded to teams who are the most consistent in the league. Finals series always rewards mediocrity To have first past the post then you must play every team equally home and away. Currently that is only 22 games per season, Cleary at least 10 games too few. Hopefully this is what they are building towards. yeah this is why expansion must go on. 16-18 teams would be perfect
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+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. Of course it’s only my opinion, that’s what forums are for. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. As for crowds, the only game that gets anything like a large attendance is the grand final, the playoffs numbers are fairly ordinary. If you must have a ‘finale’ to the season then a 1 versus 2 on a home and away basis should suffice but even that seems pointless.
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+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something?
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libelous
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+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. Bit of a stretch in your interpretation there I reckon. The winners are clearly elated and the losers are in tears almost to a man in every occasion, I think the sample size is big enough at this point. I'm not going to go digging for videos though, but I'm quite confident in my claim that A-League players really like to win the grand final and really don't like losing it. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment. Sure I love the cup, but I like a knockout end for the league season too, and don't see any good reason why we can't have both, in addition to silverware for the first-part-the-post league winner. The way they do it in England isn't the only way football can be played. My Colombian mate's team, Atletico Nacional, just finished top of the league but lost their first final, but unlike Australia they get nothing. He only learned that the league in England can be decided weeks before the end of the season after he moved to Australia, and when I told him that at the start of these dead rubber games in England the opposition teams stand in a guard of honour and clap for the champions he thought I was pulling his leg!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. Bit of a stretch in your interpretation there I reckon. The winners are clearly elated and the losers are in tears almost to a man in every occasion, I think the sample size is big enough at this point. I'm not going to go digging for videos though, but I'm quite confident in my claim that A-League players really like to win the grand final and really don't like losing it. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment. Sure I love the cup, but I like a knockout end for the league season too, and don't see any good reason why we can't have both, in addition to silverware for the first-part-the-post league winner. The way they do it in England isn't the only way football can be played. My Colombian mate's team, Atletico Nacional, just finished top of the league but lost their first final, but unlike Australia they get nothing. He only learned that the league in England can be decided weeks before the end of the season after he moved to Australia, and when I told him that at the start of these dead rubber games in England the opposition teams stand in a guard of honour and clap for the champions he thought I was pulling his leg! It’s a hellava lot more than just England that do it this way.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. Bit of a stretch in your interpretation there I reckon. The winners are clearly elated and the losers are in tears almost to a man in every occasion, I think the sample size is big enough at this point. I'm not going to go digging for videos though, but I'm quite confident in my claim that A-League players really like to win the grand final and really don't like losing it. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment. Sure I love the cup, but I like a knockout end for the league season too, and don't see any good reason why we can't have both, in addition to silverware for the first-part-the-post league winner. The way they do it in England isn't the only way football can be played. My Colombian mate's team, Atletico Nacional, just finished top of the league but lost their first final, but unlike Australia they get nothing. He only learned that the league in England can be decided weeks before the end of the season after he moved to Australia, and when I told him that at the start of these dead rubber games in England the opposition teams stand in a guard of honour and clap for the champions he thought I was pulling his leg! It’s a hellava lot more than just England that do it this way. And a fair few that don't, especially in South America.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. Bit of a stretch in your interpretation there I reckon. The winners are clearly elated and the losers are in tears almost to a man in every occasion, I think the sample size is big enough at this point. I'm not going to go digging for videos though, but I'm quite confident in my claim that A-League players really like to win the grand final and really don't like losing it. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment. Sure I love the cup, but I like a knockout end for the league season too, and don't see any good reason why we can't have both, in addition to silverware for the first-part-the-post league winner. The way they do it in England isn't the only way football can be played. My Colombian mate's team, Atletico Nacional, just finished top of the league but lost their first final, but unlike Australia they get nothing. He only learned that the league in England can be decided weeks before the end of the season after he moved to Australia, and when I told him that at the start of these dead rubber games in England the opposition teams stand in a guard of honour and clap for the champions he thought I was pulling his leg! It’s a hellava lot more than just England that do it this way. And a fair few that don't, especially in South America. So finals in a league is REAL football culture?
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League should be a spot, FFA Cup should be a spot.
Grand final that half spot if we still get.
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SUTHERLANDBEAR
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. I don’t think you can seriously take the look on players’ faces as proving the point of it all. Why do you think that is so? Surely a game having heightened meaning for the players themselves counts for something? But you’re guessing that it has ‘heightened meaning ‘ to the players. It could be just relief that the season is finally over. Bit of a stretch in your interpretation there I reckon. The winners are clearly elated and the losers are in tears almost to a man in every occasion, I think the sample size is big enough at this point. I'm not going to go digging for videos though, but I'm quite confident in my claim that A-League players really like to win the grand final and really don't like losing it. The excitement that you are looking for can be achieved in a Cup Final, so if the FFA Cup (or whatever name it is given) evolves the way Cup tournaments elsewhere do just get into it and you will get your ‘shiver down the spine ‘ moment. Sure I love the cup, but I like a knockout end for the league season too, and don't see any good reason why we can't have both, in addition to silverware for the first-part-the-post league winner. The way they do it in England isn't the only way football can be played. My Colombian mate's team, Atletico Nacional, just finished top of the league but lost their first final, but unlike Australia they get nothing. He only learned that the league in England can be decided weeks before the end of the season after he moved to Australia, and when I told him that at the start of these dead rubber games in England the opposition teams stand in a guard of honour and clap for the champions he thought I was pulling his leg! It’s a hellava lot more than just England that do it this way. And a fair few that don't, especially in South America. Do you have a breakdown worldwide? My guess would be 90% first past the post.
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+x+xbut but but this is how we always have sports in Australia Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I agree with the FFA on this one. we are football, and we dont need to copy NRL/AFL Culture Champion should always be rewarded to teams who are the most consistent in the league. Finals series always rewards mediocrity To have first past the post then you must play every team equally home and away. Currently that is only 22 games per season, Cleary at least 10 games too few. Very key point.... How Afl and recently AL has been getting away with an unfair draw every year and not being brought up on anti-corruption or conspiracy to manipulate a sporting contest for financial benefit charge from CAS is baffling. Epecially considering how many gambling products are offered for both of these codes....
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+x+x+xbut but but this is how we always have sports in Australia Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! I agree with the FFA on this one. we are football, and we dont need to copy NRL/AFL Culture Champion should always be rewarded to teams who are the most consistent in the league. Finals series always rewards mediocrity To have first past the post then you must play every team equally home and away. Currently that is only 22 games per season, Cleary at least 10 games too few. Very key point.... How Afl and recently AL has been getting away with an unfair draw every year and not being brought up on anti-corruption or conspiracy to manipulate a sporting contest for financial benefit charge from CAS is baffling. Epecially considering how many gambling products are offered for both of these codes.... The CAS probably doesnt view the AFL as a real sport.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI don't know why you people want to devalue the finals to such an extent. If it doesn't matter who wins them, we might as well not hold them. But with no relegation and no finals, there'll be nothing to play for except the premiership. At least now, there's some interest in who gets in the finals. There's something to be gained by finishing 4th or 5th instead of 7th. Eliminating the finals as something to strive for will make the league unimaginably dull. There will still be finals. And people will still care about them. Practically nobody gives a shit about the ACL anyway, and it's usually just a drag on club resources. Certainly none of the other professional sports in Australia have a champions league (or relegation) and people still seem to like their finals, even though 'it doesn't matter who wins them'. It does matter in the other codes. Minor premiership doesn't mean anything. It is widely understood that the winner of the grand final is the champion of the season. Only in football do so many people insist on emphasising the home and away winner as the true champion, which makes sense but is no fun. The finals provide a much needed boost of excitement in a static league with no promotion or relegation, but they only provide that if they mean something. If people have decided that minor premiership is all that matters and there's no incentive or benefit to winning the finals, what the hell are they there for? I agree that an ACL place isn't that much of an incentive anyway, but it's something. It sounds entirely absurd that winning the mickey mouse ffa cup carries more weight and reward that winning the grand final. It's funny how different people look at it. As a Sydney FC fan in 2018-2019, we were 2nd by 8 pts to Perth Glory in the premiership & beat them in a penalty shootout, no way did I feel that SFC were the champion team that year, we were 2nd best. 2017-18, we won the league by 14 pts & beat Melb Victory by 23 pts, but lost to MV in semis in xtra time who went on to win GF, no way did I see MV as the Champion team that year & SFC was the champions in my eyes. Unfortunately, we have to go by which teams actually win the title(s), we can't all just decide who we think are the winners in our eyes. In both cases, both the teams won titles, SFC in 2017-18, we won the premiership by 14 pts. We were the best team that year, lost a semis in xtra time. I celebrated our premiership win In 2018-19 Perth Glory won the premiership by 8pts, lost in a lucky penalty shootout, Perth Glory was the best team better then the SFC team. I didn't celebrate. Have a look at the images from when Sydney won the premiership and championship, compare the players reactions. It is probably right to say that winning the premiership is a fairer reflection of who the best team for the season has been, as compared to the championship winners. However, it is clear that the players mentality is about winning the GF, that is the ultimate prize. It is also clear from crowd sizes, TV etc that the finals and GF are of higher relevance to the vast majority of fans compared to winning the premiership. Yes, there can be 'injustices' along the way by having the ultimate prize through a final series, but your claim of only celebrating premierships and not championships (if I take your word for it) puts you firmly within the minority opinion. And that is fine, but the game should recognise and adhere to the majority view on this issue.
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+x+x+xBig fan of finals, but happy with the main national cup winner getting the ACL spot instead, alongside the top league placegetters. Winning a grand final is enough of an award in and of itself. But the finals is just a League Cup played by only half the teams in the league. Totally pointless. If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it. The crowds suggest that most other football fans feel differently. Ask any A-League fan what their five most memorable games were. I'd bet that the majority would be finals, definitely is for me. The look on the players' faces when they either win or lose a grand final would suggest that they don't see them as totally pointless either. I prefer having one last piece of silverware in our top league that is guaranteed to not be settled until the final whistle of the season. None of this takes away from the Premier's Plate or FFA Cup, in my view. Absolutely correct. As a Glory fan, I can remember all 6 GF appearances we've made (NSL included, obviously), who our opponents were, what the scoreline was and where I watched the match. On the other hand, I was in the shed when we were crowned A-League premiers in 18/19 season. The Shed (and me) went ballistic at the end of the match when it was official that we'd won the title, but without looking it up, I couldn't tell you who we were playing in that match nor what the scoreline was.
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