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+x+xFor the Fox at fullback I see it as different to DWZ. The Fox is an elite talent who is worth big money anyway, if he has to revert to wing he is more than capable in that position. The Fox has the raw ingredients, speed and some playmaking ability. The experiment might no work. But a club at the bottom has to roll the dice, and has to attract elite talent. If it doesn't work, we have signed a great winger for a fair price. I don't think JAC can be a top fullback. He might be OK in attack, but I'm concerned he may not be able to position his players in the defensive line. This is what separates the top fullbacks from the rest of pack and why Slater will become an immortal. Meaney in my opinion is the best player at the back for us. I didn't watch the Parra game and from I read here he had a poor game, but he is usually the safest guy at the back with few errors and is getting better at setting our defence. Unless we got a superstar fullback, I'd prefer JAC on the wing and Meaney at the back. Even if JAC is on big $$$ I dont care. You need 2 or 3 big money players and if ours is invested on the wing for a few years - so be it. Meaney had a fairly poor game against Parra mainly dropped balls in slippery conditions, fell for a dummy ftom Lane when in cover defense. The whole team struggled a bit with the slippery conditions, a lack of posession and a lift in intensity from Parra in the 2nd half. JAC at fullback is just my hunch, nothing official. He said he has played in the halves in the lower grades, if true, It is certainty possible that he ticks all of the attacking boxes. Defensively, positionally and cleaning up kicks we need to see how he goes. Positionally and cleaning up kicks Meaney is well ahead of the next best option currently at the club. Ideally I would like to keep Meaney. I would also like to sign Shaun Johnson and the right price, and even Milford instead for a lower price if we couldn't get SJ. I am well aware of the issues with Milford, I haven't gone mad (I think). 300k for Milford is my ceiling and I would play him at 14 or fullback, only in the halves in an emergency. He would start in reserve grade. Sometimes older players have a patch of bad form, their flaws become well known, and they go out of fashion. Often they retain a lot of their talent, a coach has to find a job they can do and rebuild their confidence. The other unknown we can't know is, if that older player still has hunger, and a point to prove. If they are not out to prove a point, then not worth investigating. Flanno had a point to prove like I expected and his attitude was great. He doesn't have a lot of odvious flaws, the problem seems to be lack of talent and instincts.
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+xMy question is to everybody who thinks we have improved since Des is this. How many recruits from outside the Canterbury Bankstown district have we scouted and brought through? How many have gone onto being regular first grader? Then how many decent first graders have we signed? I agree with Zef's answer, Most of the player we scouted in the last 3 years are no higher than Flegg level. And it is also about keeping talented local juniors. For NRL and fringe NRL the cap comes into it, a good young player wants to be in the top 30. For this season, Cotric, Hetherington, Allan, Wardell, Flanno. We probably paid a reasonable price for what we got. Flanno so far hasn't worked out and Wardell is marginal. Cotric and Hetherington definate NRL players.
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+x+xAs for why Des does well at Manly and not The Dogs. I reckon the reason is simple - the man can coach, that’s self evident, and I don’t buy any of the “his heart wasn’t in it” shit, he gave it his best. But he can not manage a roster, or a football department. At Manly his hands are tied both through finances and management, he’s got a say but not the final or even weightful say. At The Dogs we handed him the keys to the joint, financially and directionally - and he can’t manage anything outside a dressing room. I'm not sure he can even coach - single handedly that is. I mean, I think he is a great defensive minded coach and strategist and he commands respect from his players who fear him. But I also reckon he needs someone to coach them in attack. I have often said, dont underestimate the genius of DCE and Turbo Tom. These 2 see the game, they see the moment and they back themselves no matter what Des is thinking in the coaches box. Same was case with JR and Barba. They made Des. Not the other way around. JR and Barba made Des?!?!?!.... Only the bloke who thinks he put the air in the football could say that...
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I reckon the talk here bagging Flanno and Allen is premature at best...
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+xI reckon the talk here bagging Flanno and Allen is premature at best... I agree.
Flanno was average at best in reggies yesterday, but he definitely deserves another chance or two
If Dman’s client can get numerous reprieves along with Napa, Floppa, Katoa etc, Flanagan & Allen should be back in 1st grade in the next few weeks hopefully
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Our go forward/line speed in defence for the past few games has improved…. Something Flanagan didn’t have much of to play behind at the start of the season.
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+xOur go forward/line speed in defence for the past few games has improved…. Something Flanagan didn’t have much of to play behind at the start of the season. That is true, if we get some momentum it is an easier team to steer. I was fairly happy with Wakeham and Averillo against the Eels. With a mountain of posession in the 2nd half their fowards finished well on top of ours. A bigger pack with more ball usually wins. Outside of the halves, JMK and perhaps Meaney no other player in the side sparks much attack. As Wakeham and particularly Averillo have a running game Flanno will be hard pressed to generate much more in attack. If Flanno was playing for Manly he would look great. If Tommy Turbo was playing for us, Wakeham, Averillo and JMK look great, provided our pack isn't beaten badly.
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+xI reckon the talk here bagging Flanno and Allen is premature at best... I would welcome Allan replacing Hoppa. He is NRL standard, or at least closer to it than Hoppa.
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+x+x+xAs for why Des does well at Manly and not The Dogs. I reckon the reason is simple - the man can coach, that’s self evident, and I don’t buy any of the “his heart wasn’t in it” shit, he gave it his best. But he can not manage a roster, or a football department. At Manly his hands are tied both through finances and management, he’s got a say but not the final or even weightful say. At The Dogs we handed him the keys to the joint, financially and directionally - and he can’t manage anything outside a dressing room. I'm not sure he can even coach - single handedly that is. I mean, I think he is a great defensive minded coach and strategist and he commands respect from his players who fear him. But I also reckon he needs someone to coach them in attack. I have often said, dont underestimate the genius of DCE and Turbo Tom. These 2 see the game, they see the moment and they back themselves no matter what Des is thinking in the coaches box. Same was case with JR and Barba. They made Des. Not the other way around. JR and Barba made Des?!?!?!.... Only the bloke who thinks he put the air in the football could say that... Marki is working on some lines for his standup routine... Please publish venue dates and times, I want to attend.
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+x+xOur go forward/line speed in defence for the past few games has improved…. Something Flanagan didn’t have much of to play behind at the start of the season. That is true, if we get some momentum it is an easier team to steer. I was fairly happy with Wakeham and Averillo against the Eels. With a mountain of posession in the 2nd half their fowards finished well on top of ours. A bigger pack with more ball usually wins. Outside of the halves, JMK and perhaps Meaney no other player in the side sparks much attack. As Wakeham and particularly Averillo have a running game Flanno will be hard pressed to generate much more in attack. If Flanno was playing for Manly he would look great. If Tommy Turbo was playing for us, Wakeham, Averillo and JMK look great, provided our pack isn't beaten badly. I’d be ok with Flanagan back at the expense of Wakeham.
I’d like to see Wakeham take the useless S Katoa’s spot on the bench & come on to spark something when needed.
Then, like yesterday’s game, if we cop an injury in the backs, then Averillo could slot into the backline as cover.
The defensive efforts late yesterday in the game from Waddell & Hopoate was farking unacceptable… fair enough they played out of position, but to make NO effort to stop the 2 tries to the Eels rookie winger should see both dropped for good!
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+x+x+xOur go forward/line speed in defence for the past few games has improved…. Something Flanagan didn’t have much of to play behind at the start of the season. That is true, if we get some momentum it is an easier team to steer. I was fairly happy with Wakeham and Averillo against the Eels. With a mountain of posession in the 2nd half their fowards finished well on top of ours. A bigger pack with more ball usually wins. Outside of the halves, JMK and perhaps Meaney no other player in the side sparks much attack. As Wakeham and particularly Averillo have a running game Flanno will be hard pressed to generate much more in attack. If Flanno was playing for Manly he would look great. If Tommy Turbo was playing for us, Wakeham, Averillo and JMK look great, provided our pack isn't beaten badly. I’d be ok with Flanagan back at the expense of Wakeham.
I’d like to see Wakeham take the useless S Katoa’s spot on the bench & come on to spark something when needed.
Then, like yesterday’s game, if we cop an injury in the backs, then Averillo could slot into the backline as cover.
The defensive efforts late yesterday in the game from Waddell & Hopoate was farking unacceptable… fair enough they played out of position, but to make NO effort to stop the 2 tries to the Eels rookie winger should see both dropped for good! Not a bad suggestion, Wakeham is well suited to 14, but he is a better defender than Flanno and seems equally capable in attack. JMK seems well capable of playing 80 mins and Topine on the bench can cover hooker and backrow If Elliott does have a long term injury we need to take a punt on starting Atoni on a edge. Then maybe drop Waddell and try another young backrower. Warddell has an unfortunate knack of dropping the ball at the opponents end and missing a tackle at our end. He does some good stuff, but his 2-3 errors per game always cost us.
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+x+x+x+xOur go forward/line speed in defence for the past few games has improved…. Something Flanagan didn’t have much of to play behind at the start of the season. That is true, if we get some momentum it is an easier team to steer. I was fairly happy with Wakeham and Averillo against the Eels. With a mountain of posession in the 2nd half their fowards finished well on top of ours. A bigger pack with more ball usually wins. Outside of the halves, JMK and perhaps Meaney no other player in the side sparks much attack. As Wakeham and particularly Averillo have a running game Flanno will be hard pressed to generate much more in attack. If Flanno was playing for Manly he would look great. If Tommy Turbo was playing for us, Wakeham, Averillo and JMK look great, provided our pack isn't beaten badly. I’d be ok with Flanagan back at the expense of Wakeham.
I’d like to see Wakeham take the useless S Katoa’s spot on the bench & come on to spark something when needed.
Then, like yesterday’s game, if we cop an injury in the backs, then Averillo could slot into the backline as cover.
The defensive efforts late yesterday in the game from Waddell & Hopoate was farking unacceptable… fair enough they played out of position, but to make NO effort to stop the 2 tries to the Eels rookie winger should see both dropped for good! No a bad suggestion, Wakeham is well suited to 14, but he is a better defender than Flanno and seems equally capable in attack. JMK seems well capable of playing 80 mins and Topine on the bench can cover hooker and backrow If Elliott does have a long term injury we need to take a punt on starting Atoni on a edge. Then maybe drop Waddell and try another young backrower. Warddell has an unfortunate knack of dropping the ball at the opponents end and missing a tackle at our end. He does some good stuff, but his 2-3 errors per game always cost us. Waddell is a farking Idiot Elliot clone…. Doesn’t know if he’s a backrower or a halfback. Has feet for hands too.
I said it maybe 6 or 7 weeks ago, give Renouf a go on the edges…. I can guarantee you, Cotric & our centre (not Floppa) will see a hell of a lot more ball with him.
We screwed over Morgan Harper & failed to give him a go, then we allowed him to walk away to Fwit Dessy who’s given him a starting spot & hasn’t let Manly down combining with Saab.
Atoni & Harper we’re the standouts of our Reggies premiership team a few years back…
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+x+x+x+x+xOur go forward/line speed in defence for the past few games has improved…. Something Flanagan didn’t have much of to play behind at the start of the season. That is true, if we get some momentum it is an easier team to steer. I was fairly happy with Wakeham and Averillo against the Eels. With a mountain of posession in the 2nd half their fowards finished well on top of ours. A bigger pack with more ball usually wins. Outside of the halves, JMK and perhaps Meaney no other player in the side sparks much attack. As Wakeham and particularly Averillo have a running game Flanno will be hard pressed to generate much more in attack. If Flanno was playing for Manly he would look great. If Tommy Turbo was playing for us, Wakeham, Averillo and JMK look great, provided our pack isn't beaten badly. I’d be ok with Flanagan back at the expense of Wakeham.
I’d like to see Wakeham take the useless S Katoa’s spot on the bench & come on to spark something when needed.
Then, like yesterday’s game, if we cop an injury in the backs, then Averillo could slot into the backline as cover.
The defensive efforts late yesterday in the game from Waddell & Hopoate was farking unacceptable… fair enough they played out of position, but to make NO effort to stop the 2 tries to the Eels rookie winger should see both dropped for good! No a bad suggestion, Wakeham is well suited to 14, but he is a better defender than Flanno and seems equally capable in attack. JMK seems well capable of playing 80 mins and Topine on the bench can cover hooker and backrow If Elliott does have a long term injury we need to take a punt on starting Atoni on a edge. Then maybe drop Waddell and try another young backrower. Warddell has an unfortunate knack of dropping the ball at the opponents end and missing a tackle at our end. He does some good stuff, but his 2-3 errors per game always cost us. Waddell is a farking Idiot Elliot clone…. Doesn’t know if he’s a backrower or a halfback. Has feet for hands too.
I said it maybe 6 or 7 weeks ago, give Renouf a go on the edges…. I can guarantee you, Cotric & our centre (not Floppa) will see a hell of a lot more ball with him.
We screwed over Morgan Harper & failed to give him a go, then we allowed him to walk away to Fwit Dessy who’s given him a starting spot & hasn’t let Manly down combining with Saab.
Atoni & Harper we’re the standouts of our Reggies premiership team a few years back… And hopefully RFM on the other edge too when fit
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+x+x+xAs for why Des does well at Manly and not The Dogs. I reckon the reason is simple - the man can coach, that’s self evident, and I don’t buy any of the “his heart wasn’t in it” shit, he gave it his best. But he can not manage a roster, or a football department. At Manly his hands are tied both through finances and management, he’s got a say but not the final or even weightful say. At The Dogs we handed him the keys to the joint, financially and directionally - and he can’t manage anything outside a dressing room. I'm not sure he can even coach - single handedly that is. I mean, I think he is a great defensive minded coach and strategist and he commands respect from his players who fear him. But I also reckon he needs someone to coach them in attack. I have often said, dont underestimate the genius of DCE and Turbo Tom. These 2 see the game, they see the moment and they back themselves no matter what Des is thinking in the coaches box. Same was case with JR and Barba. They made Des. Not the other way around. JR and Barba made Des?!?!?!.... Only the bloke who thinks he put the air in the football could say that... I hope we beat Manly this week just to prove my point....
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+x+x+x+xAs for why Des does well at Manly and not The Dogs. I reckon the reason is simple - the man can coach, that’s self evident, and I don’t buy any of the “his heart wasn’t in it” shit, he gave it his best. But he can not manage a roster, or a football department. At Manly his hands are tied both through finances and management, he’s got a say but not the final or even weightful say. At The Dogs we handed him the keys to the joint, financially and directionally - and he can’t manage anything outside a dressing room. I'm not sure he can even coach - single handedly that is. I mean, I think he is a great defensive minded coach and strategist and he commands respect from his players who fear him. But I also reckon he needs someone to coach them in attack. I have often said, dont underestimate the genius of DCE and Turbo Tom. These 2 see the game, they see the moment and they back themselves no matter what Des is thinking in the coaches box. Same was case with JR and Barba. They made Des. Not the other way around. JR and Barba made Des?!?!?!.... Only the bloke who thinks he put the air in the football could say that... I hope we beat Manly this week just to prove my point.... No chance we beat Manly this week,..
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BRING BACK COVID NO 19!!
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Bulldogs are 6.50 to beat Manly this weekend with no Turbo Tom, Jake or DCE....
Juicy....
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+xBulldogs are 6.50 to beat Manly this weekend with no Turbo Tom, Jake or DCE.... Juicy.... And we can use the weeks headstart to pile on the points before they even get there...😁 That could be the formula for the rest of the season... Hey Des not our fault if you turned up late...
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+xBulldogs are 6.50 to beat Manly this weekend with no Turbo Tom, Jake or DCE.... Juicy.... I’ll need bigger odds than that to bet on them winning this weekend...
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+xBulldogs are 6.50 to beat Manly this weekend with no Turbo Tom, Jake or DCE.... Juicy.... We play them the weekend after origin mate
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+x+xBulldogs are 6.50 to beat Manly this weekend with no Turbo Tom, Jake or DCE.... Juicy.... We play them the weekend after origin mate Damn. They tricked me and I didnt notice the date... So no games this weekend other than SOO?
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+x+x+xBulldogs are 6.50 to beat Manly this weekend with no Turbo Tom, Jake or DCE.... Juicy.... We play them the weekend after origin mate Damn. They tricked me and I didnt notice the date... So no games this weekend other than SOO? Yeah no NRL Club games. I think it's a bit of a rep weekend but not sure what else is on TV except for the Women's SOO Friday night.
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Elliott and Chris Smith out for 6 weeks.
Opportunity to give some young players a run.
Atoni and Topine are the odvious choices, but I would also drop Wardell and Katoa.
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+xElliott and Chris Smith out for 6 weeks. Opportunity to give some young players a run. Atoni and Topine are the odvious choices, but I would also drop Wardell and Katoa. Villis had the voodoo dolls out...
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+x+xElliott and Chris Smith out for 6 weeks. Opportunity to give some young players a run. Atoni and Topine are the odvious choices, but I would also drop Wardell and Katoa. Villis had the voodoo dolls out... I do have a couple… Finally got Idiot.
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+x+x+xElliott and Chris Smith out for 6 weeks. Opportunity to give some young players a run. Atoni and Topine are the odvious choices, but I would also drop Wardell and Katoa. Villis had the voodoo dolls out... I do have a couple… Finally got Idiot. Do you have any of Turbo bros and DCE? I know you already have one of idiot Des....
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Napa, Schoupp and Wakeham breach COVID bubble drinking in Bondi
Villi's voodo dolls are out of control.
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+xNapa, Schoupp and Wakeham breach COVID bubble drinking in Bondi Villi's voodo dolls are out of control. The report did say 4 bulldog stars…. Napa, Schoupp, Wakeham & Dman
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+x+xNapa, Schoupp and Wakeham breach COVID bubble drinking in Bondi Villi's voodo dolls are out of control. The report did say 4 bulldog stars…. Napa, Schoupp, Wakeham & Dman No mention of superstar, we can rule out Dman and Averillo.
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Maybe Dr Marki was shouting drinks to pump up the guys for the Manly game?
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