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+x+xHow can you say hd is "wrong". It's not that Penrith play heads up footy as you call it, it's because most of the players have had a relationship and understanding with each others game from junior RL and have carried it through. When speaking about our players we are not even on the same page about understanding one anothers game...fvck they aren't even in the same postcode. I agree ODF…. I agree too. Penrith players work as a team. We work as individuals carting the ball up 1 by 1. We are nothing like them. We play with desire, with effort, with hunger but with no cohesion. All the top teams have it. The bottom teams dont. Certainly not for sustainable periods and under different levels of fatigue or pressure. To say we even remotely play like them is silly.
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Hahaha… Dragons got hit hard over the covid breach. Finally, someone other than the Dogs given a lashing
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+xIn the end I have decided to cut Barrett some slack until around round 10 next season. Anything good that happens this season will be a bonus. We are a hard team to coach and that is before injuries, suspensions, covid breaches etc. A lot of our players have bad habits. The bright side is seeing some younger players get a chance. The problem is they get taught some tough lessons by the experienced vets. Tom, Foran, DCE were always going to be a nightmare for young guys to try to deal with. On top of that the young outside backs have to learn a lot in defense & the middle forwards are giving away penalties etc. I'm sure TB has a list of things to work through at training....a long list....and there's only so many hours at training each week. Sounds like it'll be another ugly match next week, hard to do much about it under the circumstances until some more troops are available again.
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+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Doc…. Maybe you should prescribe something to HD after his statement? The doc did prescibe Dman 10 slabs of beer. I am hoping for a case of Otard Cognac supplied by the doc, Dman is happy, and I will be happy. Doc you might get a discount for a bulk buy airfreighted from France.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Marki you are confusing style with, effort, fitness, organisation and desire. Penrith play up and in defense they just do it very well. Maybe they slide occasionally, but I see a lot of up and in. In attack the differnce is they get into position earlier and their playmakers have more experience and vision. When we set up structures it looks to me like Baz is using much the same style he used at Penrith. The differnce between the good and bad teams is winning the ruck. A secondary difference is players in position early and energy. We could say the differnce is fitness and desire, but losing the ruck probably saps a lot of energy. Teams that lose the ruck are going to concede, line breaks, tries, penalties and 6 agains. Teams that win the ruck have more possession and field posession, from there the game spirals into a reinforcing pattern. Wrong. Penrith plays Heads-Up football. Alot of the top teams do. We play premeditated football. Miles apart. Miles. Ok , tell us why you think every coach forces the team to play the same style. Des, Pay, Baz. Are Manly's players ignoring Des's instruction to play premediated football?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Marki you are confusing style with, effort, fitness, organisation and desire. Penrith play up and in defense they just do it very well. Maybe they slide occasionally, but I see a lot of up and in. In attack the differnce is they get into position earlier and their playmakers have more experience and vision. When we set up structures it looks to me like Baz is using much the same style he used at Penrith. The differnce between the good and bad teams is winning the ruck. A secondary difference is players in position early and energy. We could say the differnce is fitness and desire, but losing the ruck probably saps a lot of energy. Teams that lose the ruck are going to concede, line breaks, tries, penalties and 6 agains. Teams that win the ruck have more possession and field posession, from there the game spirals into a reinforcing pattern. Wrong. Penrith plays Heads-Up football. Alot of the top teams do. We play premeditated football. Miles apart. Miles. Ok , tell us why you think every coach forces the team to play the same style. Des, Pay, Baz. Are Manly's players ignoring Des's instruction to play premediated football? You are probably talking about defensive structure while I was talking more about attack and to a lesser extent defence. In attack, we are miles apart. In defence, we might play a similar up and in style, but the top teams are far better at jumping off the line when the ball is played. We seem to just get penalised when we take off as the ball is played. Next thing is contact effectiveness and domination. We go in hard enough in tackles but we allow too many post contact metres. It's a technique thing. We have only about 4 good low legs tacklers (Thompson, JMK, Lewis, Elliott) the rest go high, get dominated, cannot wrestle and concede lots of metres. It results in a retreating defence and has negative flow on effects. So whilst we may try to play the same style as them, we are so bad at its effectiveness that you have to question why we bother.
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+xHahaha… Dragons got hit hard over the covid breach. Finally, someone other than the Dogs given a lashing Vaughan out for 8 weeks. He'll be back in last round. Dragons might be fighting for a finals spot by then....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Marki you are confusing style with, effort, fitness, organisation and desire. Penrith play up and in defense they just do it very well. Maybe they slide occasionally, but I see a lot of up and in. In attack the differnce is they get into position earlier and their playmakers have more experience and vision. When we set up structures it looks to me like Baz is using much the same style he used at Penrith. The differnce between the good and bad teams is winning the ruck. A secondary difference is players in position early and energy. We could say the differnce is fitness and desire, but losing the ruck probably saps a lot of energy. Teams that lose the ruck are going to concede, line breaks, tries, penalties and 6 agains. Teams that win the ruck have more possession and field posession, from there the game spirals into a reinforcing pattern. Wrong. Penrith plays Heads-Up football. Alot of the top teams do. We play premeditated football. Miles apart. Miles. Ok , tell us why you think every coach forces the team to play the same style. Des, Pay, Baz. Are Manly's players ignoring Des's instruction to play premediated football? You are probably talking about defensive structure while I was talking more about attack and to a lesser extent defence. In attack, we are miles apart. In defence, we might play a similar up and in style, but the top teams are far better at jumping off the line when the ball is played. We seem to just get penalised when we take off as the ball is played. Next thing is contact effectiveness and domination. We go in hard enough in tackles but we allow too many post contact metres. It's a technique thing. We have only about 4 good low legs tacklers (Thompson, JMK, Lewis, Elliott) the rest go high, get dominated, cannot wrestle and concede lots of metres. It results in a retreating defence and has negative flow on effects. So whilst we may try to play the same style as them, we are so bad at its effectiveness that you have to question why we bother. The main problem is that the players are not good enough and we lose the ruck. For 22 it seems we will have the strongest backline for at least 5 years. The forwards need strengthening with the intention to win more rucks in attack and defence.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Marki you are confusing style with, effort, fitness, organisation and desire. Penrith play up and in defense they just do it very well. Maybe they slide occasionally, but I see a lot of up and in. In attack the differnce is they get into position earlier and their playmakers have more experience and vision. When we set up structures it looks to me like Baz is using much the same style he used at Penrith. The differnce between the good and bad teams is winning the ruck. A secondary difference is players in position early and energy. We could say the differnce is fitness and desire, but losing the ruck probably saps a lot of energy. Teams that lose the ruck are going to concede, line breaks, tries, penalties and 6 agains. Teams that win the ruck have more possession and field posession, from there the game spirals into a reinforcing pattern. Wrong. Penrith plays Heads-Up football. Alot of the top teams do. We play premeditated football. Miles apart. Miles. Ok , tell us why you think every coach forces the team to play the same style. Des, Pay, Baz. Are Manly's players ignoring Des's instruction to play premediated football? You are probably talking about defensive structure while I was talking more about attack and to a lesser extent defence. In attack, we are miles apart. In defence, we might play a similar up and in style, but the top teams are far better at jumping off the line when the ball is played. We seem to just get penalised when we take off as the ball is played. Next thing is contact effectiveness and domination. We go in hard enough in tackles but we allow too many post contact metres. It's a technique thing. We have only about 4 good low legs tacklers (Thompson, JMK, Lewis, Elliott) the rest go high, get dominated, cannot wrestle and concede lots of metres. It results in a retreating defence and has negative flow on effects. So whilst we may try to play the same style as them, we are so bad at its effectiveness that you have to question why we bother. The main problem is that the players are not good enough and we lose the ruck. For 22 it seems we will have the strongest backline for at least 5 years. The forwards need strengthening with the intention to win more rucks in attack and defence. I tend to think it's an attitude and playing style issue rather than skill set. Our reserve grade does it with the same players and we do it well. For some reason our first grade team can replicate it. Its like they know they cant do it for 80mins so they get lazy and fall into their "comfort" way of playing .....
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+x+xHahaha… Dragons got hit hard over the covid breach. Finally, someone other than the Dogs given a lashing Vaughan out for 8 weeks. He'll be back in last round. Dragons might be fighting for a finals spot by then.... It's very difficult for the NRL to argue the effectiveness of their bubble now. 19 players caught breaching NRL protocols not caught by the NRL. Two players inadvertently in close contact to an infected person. Luckily the roosters did not train over the weekend. Is this the tip of the iceberg. The case that the NRL is in control of the system & for the NRL to be treated differently to other professions is quickly eroding.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Marki you are confusing style with, effort, fitness, organisation and desire. Penrith play up and in defense they just do it very well. Maybe they slide occasionally, but I see a lot of up and in. In attack the differnce is they get into position earlier and their playmakers have more experience and vision. When we set up structures it looks to me like Baz is using much the same style he used at Penrith. The differnce between the good and bad teams is winning the ruck. A secondary difference is players in position early and energy. We could say the differnce is fitness and desire, but losing the ruck probably saps a lot of energy. Teams that lose the ruck are going to concede, line breaks, tries, penalties and 6 agains. Teams that win the ruck have more possession and field posession, from there the game spirals into a reinforcing pattern. Wrong. Penrith plays Heads-Up football. Alot of the top teams do. We play premeditated football. Miles apart. Miles. Ok , tell us why you think every coach forces the team to play the same style. Des, Pay, Baz. Are Manly's players ignoring Des's instruction to play premediated football? You are probably talking about defensive structure while I was talking more about attack and to a lesser extent defence. In attack, we are miles apart. In defence, we might play a similar up and in style, but the top teams are far better at jumping off the line when the ball is played. We seem to just get penalised when we take off as the ball is played. Next thing is contact effectiveness and domination. We go in hard enough in tackles but we allow too many post contact metres. It's a technique thing. We have only about 4 good low legs tacklers (Thompson, JMK, Lewis, Elliott) the rest go high, get dominated, cannot wrestle and concede lots of metres. It results in a retreating defence and has negative flow on effects. So whilst we may try to play the same style as them, we are so bad at its effectiveness that you have to question why we bother. The main problem is that the players are not good enough and we lose the ruck. For 22 it seems we will have the strongest backline for at least 5 years. The forwards need strengthening with the intention to win more rucks in attack and defence. I tend to think it's an attitude and playing style issue rather than skill set. Our reserve grade does it with the same players and we do it well. For some reason our first grade team can replicate it. Its like they know they cant do it for 80mins so they get lazy and fall into their "comfort" way of playing ..... The difference in standard in reserve grade might have something to do with it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Marki you are confusing style with, effort, fitness, organisation and desire. Penrith play up and in defense they just do it very well. Maybe they slide occasionally, but I see a lot of up and in. In attack the differnce is they get into position earlier and their playmakers have more experience and vision. When we set up structures it looks to me like Baz is using much the same style he used at Penrith. The differnce between the good and bad teams is winning the ruck. A secondary difference is players in position early and energy. We could say the differnce is fitness and desire, but losing the ruck probably saps a lot of energy. Teams that lose the ruck are going to concede, line breaks, tries, penalties and 6 agains. Teams that win the ruck have more possession and field posession, from there the game spirals into a reinforcing pattern. Wrong. Penrith plays Heads-Up football. Alot of the top teams do. We play premeditated football. Miles apart. Miles. Ok , tell us why you think every coach forces the team to play the same style. Des, Pay, Baz. Are Manly's players ignoring Des's instruction to play premediated football? You are probably talking about defensive structure while I was talking more about attack and to a lesser extent defence. In attack, we are miles apart. In defence, we might play a similar up and in style, but the top teams are far better at jumping off the line when the ball is played. We seem to just get penalised when we take off as the ball is played. Next thing is contact effectiveness and domination. We go in hard enough in tackles but we allow too many post contact metres. It's a technique thing. We have only about 4 good low legs tacklers (Thompson, JMK, Lewis, Elliott) the rest go high, get dominated, cannot wrestle and concede lots of metres. It results in a retreating defence and has negative flow on effects. So whilst we may try to play the same style as them, we are so bad at its effectiveness that you have to question why we bother. The main problem is that the players are not good enough and we lose the ruck. For 22 it seems we will have the strongest backline for at least 5 years. The forwards need strengthening with the intention to win more rucks in attack and defence. I tend to think it's an attitude and playing style issue rather than skill set. Our reserve grade does it with the same players and we do it well. For some reason our first grade team can replicate it. Its like they know they cant do it for 80mins so they get lazy and fall into their "comfort" way of playing ..... The difference in standard in reserve grade might have something to do with it. True, but its certainly within their ability. They just don't train sufficiently well to be able to do it for the whole game. You need to rotate your defence players, and then give them breathers when you have the ball by either utilising outside backs, getting the ball out of play or... better believe this.... scoring points. It was hard enough for our team to do it before this change of speed to the game. By eliminating time losses and keeping the ball in play longer, it has exacerbated the issue on our team. To not have an influential and clever hooker and halves, means we don't have players in key positions that can read the game, understand fatigue levels and make plays to benefit the energy levels of their team. They just come out premeditated and make the same mistakes without changing anything. Meanwhile the smart players on the opposition have an absolute field day against us.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xFrank Pritchard is an example of the type of player we are missing. Also Willy Mason, Roy Asotasi or Mark O'Meley. Any of those forwards (at their best) would walk into our team, and improve it a lot, just one of them. At hooker we mostly need good passing, and good defence, some smarts and vision is handy. The club had 2nd thoughts on signing Latrell Mitchell for what ever reason which has turned out to be Souths gain…. If the price is right (around 600k) then TPJ would be worth the risk to add some much needed strike to our forward pack.
I could see TPJ & JAC striking a good partnership as Tevita loves an offload.
I’d also love to see Joseph Tapine get a release from the Raiders & come across to Belmore at the right price…. Or even Hudson Young. TPJ might even be a worse defender than Atoni, maybe if we move him to prop. His attitude and leadership are not great but maybe a change of city will help. Tapine is the better option. If is frustrating that we can't get Atoni and Odgen defending better, becuase they are what we need in attack. I don't think it matters if signings are only for 2-3, winning a premiership in 5 years time is mainly about developing talent in the lower grades and then signing the missing pieces. What we want to achieve is start climbing the ladder winning some games and improving the side. Bringing yound talented players into a losing side puts more pressure on them. If I had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players. There was a era under Des when the team was robotic, IMO Pay and Baz are giving players more freedom especially in attack. In defence a team has to have a system, becuase they need to work together. When it goes wrong that is mostly individuals making different decisions. Penrith line speed, contact in the tackle, scramble and intensity is a different planet to us. And their attack takes a lot of pressue off their defence. The playing group has to help set the standards, there is little the coach can do from the sidelines. Winning and losing are habit forming, winning sides develop a lot of good habits. "If i had to describe our style it is similar to Penrith in attack and defence, not surprising. It is working for them, but not for us, the difference is the quality of the players" Are you kidding HD? We couldnt be further from them if we tried!!! Our problem is that our style is NOTHING like the Panthers. We dont rinse in numbers. Hell we fint even run. We stand flat footed. We have no desire to make a break or get any second phase play going or try to score by busting through or beating the opposition out wide. Our gameplan is to lumber up and hope the defence trips over itself. We do this for 4 tackles and then try to see if they fekk up our last tackle kick. Dude, we are so far from them it's not even funny. Marki you are confusing style with, effort, fitness, organisation and desire. Penrith play up and in defense they just do it very well. Maybe they slide occasionally, but I see a lot of up and in. In attack the differnce is they get into position earlier and their playmakers have more experience and vision. When we set up structures it looks to me like Baz is using much the same style he used at Penrith. The differnce between the good and bad teams is winning the ruck. A secondary difference is players in position early and energy. We could say the differnce is fitness and desire, but losing the ruck probably saps a lot of energy. Teams that lose the ruck are going to concede, line breaks, tries, penalties and 6 agains. Teams that win the ruck have more possession and field posession, from there the game spirals into a reinforcing pattern. Wrong. Penrith plays Heads-Up football. Alot of the top teams do. We play premeditated football. Miles apart. Miles. Ok , tell us why you think every coach forces the team to play the same style. Des, Pay, Baz. Are Manly's players ignoring Des's instruction to play premediated football? You are probably talking about defensive structure while I was talking more about attack and to a lesser extent defence. In attack, we are miles apart. In defence, we might play a similar up and in style, but the top teams are far better at jumping off the line when the ball is played. We seem to just get penalised when we take off as the ball is played. Next thing is contact effectiveness and domination. We go in hard enough in tackles but we allow too many post contact metres. It's a technique thing. We have only about 4 good low legs tacklers (Thompson, JMK, Lewis, Elliott) the rest go high, get dominated, cannot wrestle and concede lots of metres. It results in a retreating defence and has negative flow on effects. So whilst we may try to play the same style as them, we are so bad at its effectiveness that you have to question why we bother. The main problem is that the players are not good enough and we lose the ruck. For 22 it seems we will have the strongest backline for at least 5 years. The forwards need strengthening with the intention to win more rucks in attack and defence. I tend to think it's an attitude and playing style issue rather than skill set. Our reserve grade does it with the same players and we do it well. For some reason our first grade team can replicate it. Its like they know they cant do it for 80mins so they get lazy and fall into their "comfort" way of playing ..... The difference in standard in reserve grade might have something to do with it. Our side in reserve grade has the talent and size to match the opposition. The pace of the game is slower so bigger players don't need to be as fit. The rest is the difference in standard. Players need to get used to winning and young players need experience, we may be getting things right in the lower grades, but it takes a few seasons for that to filter through to NRL. The proof of this is when we promote players from reserve grade to the NRL. The don't suddenly lose ability and smarts. Our reserve grade halves and fullback seem worse than the NRL. Hooker is the only spine postition where the reserve grade player might be better than Katoa and Dietz. JMK looks like the best option and even with him our hooker is probably worse than NRL average.
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The speed of the game has come up in a lot of conversation lately as being the culprit of blowout scores, a plethora of sin bins, suspensions and injuries and I have to agree. Now the illustrious leader of the V'RLol introduced a new rule that involved a tackle count restart and at the same time, has almost eliminated the scrum from the game and fobbed this scam off as an "attempt to tire out the forwards in an attempt to let the smaller more nimble players to play a more prominent role adding to the games "excitment factor". Now any person who has an idea of the game knows that the scrum is a very important part of the play. Firstly it allows for the forwards to get a well deserved breather but most importantly it is "designed to keep the forwards out of the defensive line up and allow the backs a chance to attack their opponents line and open up the game". Therefore there was no reason for V'landys to interfere with the rules in the first place as they served no purpose nor did they improve what was already in place. In addition they have upset the flow and pace of the game which has detracted from it's watchablity.
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+xThe speed of the game has come up in a lot of conversation lately as being the culprit of blowout scores, a plethora of sin bins, suspensions and injuries and I have to agree. Now the illustrious leader of the V'RLol introduced a new rule that involved a tackle count restart and at the same time, has almost eliminated the scrum from the game and fobbed this scam off as an "attempt to tire out the forwards in an attempt to let the smaller more nimble players to play a more prominent role adding to the games "excitment factor". Now any person who has an idea of the game knows that the scrum is a very important part of the play. Firstly it allows for the forwards to get a well deserved breather but most importantly it is "designed to keep the forwards out of the defensive line up and allow the backs a chance to attack their opponents line and open up the game". Therefore there was no reason for V'landys to interfere with the rules in the first place as they served no purpose nor did they improve what was already in place. In addition they have upset the flow and pace of the game which has detracted from it's watchablity. 100%
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+xThe speed of the game has come up in a lot of conversation lately as being the culprit of blowout scores, a plethora of sin bins, suspensions and injuries and I have to agree. Now the illustrious leader of the V'RLol introduced a new rule that involved a tackle count restart and at the same time, has almost eliminated the scrum from the game and fobbed this scam off as an "attempt to tire out the forwards in an attempt to let the smaller more nimble players to play a more prominent role adding to the games "excitment factor". Now any person who has an idea of the game knows that the scrum is a very important part of the play. Firstly it allows for the forwards to get a well deserved breather but most importantly it is "designed to keep the forwards out of the defensive line up and allow the backs a chance to attack their opponents line and open up the game". Therefore there was no reason for V'landys to interfere with the rules in the first place as they served no purpose nor did they improve what was already in place. In addition they have upset the flow and pace of the game which has detracted from it's watchablity. I thought PVL was brought in for his management skills. I didn't know his back ground qualified him to make changes to the way the game is played. A bit like the CEO telling the coach how to coach
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For years we've heard Rugby League "development boards" insist they want to speed up the game clear up the ruck and have more tries scored because they think that's what the fans want.. the promotion of "our game" lends itself to a unique fabric and that has been tampered with..
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Want to know where the Wests Tigers were at.. the Bulldogs had a failing halves combination in Reynolds & Mbye and they then went out and bought them both..
Didn't Cleary recruit the current Wests Tigers squad while he walked into the Phil Gould legacy that was very quickly overlooked as he was shown the door prior to the Penrith Panthers run at the NRL
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Renouf has got a huge offer from Wigan. As reported by the Mole. Also Cowboys (no doubt Steve Georgallis) have put in a bid for him too.
Dogs have put in a bid & low balled him apparently
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+xRenouf has got a huge offer from Wigan. As reported by the Mole. Also Cowboys (no doubt Steve Georgallis) have put in a bid for him too.
Dogs have put in a bid & low balled him apparently
I would hope our offer is in the range of a sometimes NRL player seeing as he sometimes plays NRL standard. I’d actually be just as happy if there was no offer at all. Been in the system for too long for too little.
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+x+xRenouf has got a huge offer from Wigan. As reported by the Mole. Also Cowboys (no doubt Steve Georgallis) have put in a bid for him too.
Dogs have put in a bid & low balled him apparently
I would hope our offer is in the range of a sometimes NRL player seeing as he sometimes plays NRL standard. I’d actually be just as happy if there was no offer at all. Been in the system for too long for too little. All depends on whether we think we can fix his game, but we have to question why we haven't been able to do that so far. We are talking about "effort areas", talent itself isn't a problem. I remember Finucane used to drop the ball a lot when playing for us, Bellamy fixed that. I hope we soon see evidence of Baz improving players, the player has to want to improve.
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Will be interesting to see if the covid breach players are named this week.
Paul Vaughan sacked by the Dragons, bad track record of the field, but if we want to sign him for a good price, this is the time. Just have all the right clauses in the contract.
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+x+xRenouf has got a huge offer from Wigan. As reported by the Mole. Also Cowboys (no doubt Steve Georgallis) have put in a bid for him too.
Dogs have put in a bid & low balled him apparently
I would hope our offer is in the range of a sometimes NRL player seeing as he sometimes plays NRL standard. I’d actually be just as happy if there was no offer at all. Been in the system for too long for too little. Yeah I see it similarly. Our starting front rowers are Thompson and Hetherington. The other 2 props on the bench can be paid up to around 300k-350k each. That would be my limit for Atoni. The final 2 props below them (playing reserve grade) can be at the 200k-250k mark.
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+xWill be interesting to see if the covid breach players are named this week. Paul Vaughan sacked by the Dragons, bad track record of the field, but if we want to sign him for a good price, this is the time. Just have all the right clauses in the contract. I like him. Even from his Raiders days. Has a good offload in him as long as we have alert support players running off him. Will he accept half his salary though? 400k?
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+x+xWill be interesting to see if the covid breach players are named this week. Paul Vaughan sacked by the Dragons, bad track record of the field, but if we want to sign him for a good price, this is the time. Just have all the right clauses in the contract. I like him. Even from his Raiders days. Has a good offload in him as long as we have alert support players running off him. Will he accept half his salary though? 400k? His price will be lower because fewer clubs will be interested. Flanno gets another chance Wakeham the only covid breacher omitted. I would start Topine at hooker and leave out Katoa. The team more or less picks itself, because there are few others available.
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I can't believe how lenient the NRL is with players breaking Covid protocols. They are potentially putting the competition and the livelihood of hundreds of fellow players and support staff at risk. The fines wouldn't be 10% of their salaries. Apart from Vaughn a one week suspension is what you get for any piddly little charge nowadays. The Saints knew what they were doing or they wouldn't have hidden or ran away when the police came. No mitigating circumstances just weakness by the NRL. As shown by the Roosters players there is ample opportunity for this to go belly up without brazen, calculated disregard of the rules.
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Shane Webke reports TPJ to The Dogs effective immediately, but bizarrely won’t be here till the end of the month?
Not sure how I feel about this bloke to tell the truth, should be a rockstar but always playing banjo.
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+xShane Webke reports TPJ to The Dogs effective immediately, but bizarrely won’t be here till the end of the month? Not sure how I feel about this bloke to tell the truth, should be a rockstar but always playing banjo. F’king beauty Stimpson, Waddell, Doorey…. I guess are lovey guys, but offer ZILCH in attack on the edges.
Here’s a guy that has some size, can play 80mins, has a decent offload, is exactly what we need! But…. He ain’t perfect, he does overplay his hand at times and can dish out a number of mistakes/penalties.
Love his aggression…. Him on one side & a fit RFM on the other for the rest of the year… bring it on
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+xShane Webke reports TPJ to The Dogs effective immediately, but bizarrely won’t be here till the end of the month? Not sure how I feel about this bloke to tell the truth, should be a rockstar but always playing banjo. With suspension I don't think he can play until then. Maybe that's what he means
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Can’t find anything else on it. Must point out someone on TK pointed out Webke announced Mcullough to The Dogs effective immediately once, so……
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