😂😂😂😂😂😂 loving the tears already.Never defeated always cheated since 1888.

Yes I’ve only started watching Celtic this season for obvious reasons. I think you can be critical but also say they played well. All you’ve done is complained based on the result. Coaching is a process. 

A lot of our starting players from last season were only in on loan including Elyanoussi (lw), laxalt (lb), Duffy (cb), Kenny (rb) and now Brown has been allowed to leave on a free also (dm and captain). Meanwhile none of them were replaced and the backroom coaching and scouting team is depleted also. In short the football department has been completely neglected and ange has inherited the mess left at the 11th hr of the season with a bloodthirsty and demanding fan base who won't really tolerate time to rebuild. 

Tough situation 

Sure coaching is a process, but when you're managing Celtic the manager has to be flexible in terms of working with what players you have been given rather than going in blindy and saying 'I'm going to play this style football and nothing else even if I don't have the players'. You play to your strengths and build on it, that's not trying to get Scott Bain to do Iniesta passes- sure if he brings a GK in that can that than great, but at this point in time we don't and are just playing ourselves into trouble, that's including the fullbacks. He comes out of this week with egg on his face after being a smart arse during the presser in the build up to the game claiming he knew a lot about Hearts- yet he obviously didn't know enough. That game was there to be won yet his first sub was in the 79th minute, after the game he complained that fitness levels were the problem- so if fitness levels were low why is taking him until 10 minutes until the end to make a change?

What went wrong last year was Lennon losing the dressing room, leaked transfer documents stating what players should be getting sold on (Ntcham), insiders leaking line ups, Boli going on a holiday to Spain and then being shipped out during the season causing the French players to down tools, squad flown to Dubai for a break during lockdown, Lennon letting players drink, poor transfers, there was more but that's what I can remember. His tactics in short consisted of pressing high, playing the ball through the middle and asking the full backs to play on the wing which stifled any sort of threat out wide. In the short time Ange has been here we're still playing the same possession based game (as expected) but moving the ball with a bit more urgency, Ange is at least using wingers to play out wide but they still aren't being enough of a threat that they should be, it doesn't help that when they look up and there a very little options to hit because Edouard is jogging into the box. There is very little pace in the midfield currently, Turnbull, Christie and Rogic all offer something different but what they all lack is a real turn of pace when we're attacking on the break.

Sure the team did create some good chances but it's nothing to be getting excited about, we were playing a Hearts side that had been playing Championship Football last season, not AC Milan etc.... We've been managed under Rodgers, we know what good free flowing football looks like- his downfall was no plan B in Europe, but that's the least of Anges problems right now. I feel like people don't understand just how important it is to win in Scotland, even a draw is like a loss to the support and media, if we're 12-15 points off 1st by Christmas and we play like we did this morning he won't be in the job by the new year, his hostility towards the press needs to take a back seat for now and for him to start focusing on winning games.

Thank you. 

I have to disagree with your first paragraph - Ange was appointed for his style. If the board was happy to just win playing a more defensive approach, they hired the wrong manager and maybe should given Jose Mourinho a call. I don't think the style is beyond the players.. he has done it with worse players in the A-league. 

Also, the game could have easily been run - look at some of the things that happened during the game. Foul from behind could have been a red (more likely a yellow), goal (wrongfully I think) disallowed and 2 great chances in the last minute of the game. Would you be talking differently if it had finished Celtic 2-1 or 3-2?

And Celtic will bring in....who?

Which reputable coach is going to risk their reputation on a cluster fuck of a club that Celtic is right now? Why do you think Eddie Howe said no to the job?

Postecoglou took the job on because this was Celtic- the biggest club in Scotland.  Any other club in Scotland and he would likely have said no.  But I don't think even he would have known the task ahead with two hands tied his back.

As for being sacked, I don't think people get just how selfish Postecoglou is.  He'll walk before he gets sacked.  He'll leave on his terms, not Celtics. Why ruin his reputation for a club that has given him none of the support he's asked for?

Results are the ONLY thing that matters, everything else are only minor issues in the grand scheme of things.

 Yes style is important, and Celtic actually have a known history of playing some beautiful football (even Lennon had the team playing attractive football).

If one has to choose between either winning ugly, or playing attractive football that you can only draw and/or lose – Then winning ugly gets my vote ever single time.

THAT SAID....  Regarding how Celtic play, because the current players do have the "skills" needed to play with the football on the deck, adding also that the youth players coming through are all also learning at playing with the football of the deck (been happening way before Ange ever arrived), it shouldn't take Ange and the coaching team to long to implement Ange's ideas/philosophy.

Fingers crossed anyways 🤞

Yes mixed in with the fact he was the cheaper option who wasn't demanding a full overhaul of the backroom staff like Howe was ( Strachan and Kennedy still around like a bad smell), the board could care less about our playing style- keeping Lennon on for an extra season proves that, so long as we were grinding out results and the season tickets were getting sold there was nothing to worry about for the board.I can't recall Celtic ever hiring a manager that was defensively minded, you could say Lennon was in Europe but when going toe to toe with the top players in the world you're sort of forced to play on the counter. 

In regards to the Hearts game, Hearts looked just as likely scoring as us while having 26% possession, there was nothing in the game to suggest we should've won 2-1 or 3-2, a draw would've been the fair result however the lateness of subs did us no favours. So long as he learns from it and we don't see a repeat at Celtic Park in two weeks time,

You'd certainly be mad to touch the Celtic job right now no doubt about that, I think at one point in time or another he'd have to move to Scotland or the English Championship to fufill his managerial ambitions anyway given there is very little on offer to Australian managers in Europe- if rangers had approached him before Gerrard I feel he would've jumped at that, a team like Hibs would at least give him a season to implement his idea's, granted it's a step down from managing Yokohama F. Marinos but would've been a good place to use as a stepping stone and to get used to the day to day pressures of being a manager in Scotland where football is 24/7.

He thought he hit the jackpot getting a move to Celtic hence why he packed up halfway through the J-league season when his side was sitting 2nd, but like you said yourself I don't think he fully grasped the magnitute of the job ahead (unless he had previous experience in Scotland, who would?) let alone dealing with a board that will take 2-3 weeks just to complete player negotiations - the problem is without the board he wouldn't even be in the job in the first place, they took a gamble on him and he has already defended them in the press after the game, his reputation was low/ non-existent in Europe before coming to Celtic so what would it look like walking out of Celtic with say a 50% win percentage and 0 trophies while spending over 15m pound on players? I'm still backing him to turn things around given we're only 3 games in, however he needs to start getting ruthless behind the scenes by getting rid of dumb and dumber beside him and getting his own assistants in and banging on the CEO's door telling them to hurry up on the transfer front otherwise this season is going to be another shambles.

Yeah, that's not Ange. He'll stick to his guns and his style, come what may. You can never expect him to be pragmatic. Australia nearly missed the last world cup because of his extreme stubbornness and unwillingness to suit the style to the players he has rather than the ones he'd like to have. It's all or nothing with him. 

The thing is, it somehow always clicks eventually. It just always takes time. 

Europa league qualifying and league game against Dundee in the next couple of days. If Ange can’t get his first competitive win in one of these games I expect the blowtorch will start hotting up. Ideally need a win in both. 

Goals two (Celtic) and three (Jablonec) were absolutely beautiful goals.

2-1 so far, the 4m pound Swede is looking crap once again but at least Kyogo is on the score sheet in his starting debut. Hesgoal are showing it, or bet365 if you want to avoid the horrible commentary 

If you two are happy, then i am ecstatic.

Like an NPL game.

ah yes because the livi game last week was of very high standard

2-4 win. Away goals don't count extra anymore, but still a good start.

I'm happy that we finally have a win. Attaching wise I was very pleased, as for our defence I'm far from happy,  and there is still a lot of work that needs to be done if we are to have any chance at winning any silverware this season.

As someone who lived many years in and around Perth (the original one), the result I am most pleased/happy about is the St. Johnstone 1-1 draw away to Galatasaray. I would love to see them progress to the next round, though I do know that they still have a fight on there hands.

in just 4 games the Celtic fans have worked out what we all know:  Postecoglou can't coach a defense to save his life.

In saying that I'd have 34yo Craig Moore over most of that backline. It's not great.

The defenders aren't the best but his tactics are making them worse, not better

Its simple *fact* going back to the 2014 WC that Postecoglou's teams concede goals.  That's on him.

Honestly he needs some Dutch assistant coach that will sort out the defense organization, because I don't think he can do it on his own even with new players.

You know the stats don't support this as clearly as people think. 
His record for his two full years at Brisbane:
https://globalsportsarchive.com/competition/soccer/hyundai-a-league-2010-2011/regular-season/639/
https://globalsportsarchive.com/competition/soccer/hyundai-a-league-2011-2012/regular-season/644/
Impeccable.

His full Melbourne year was definitely wild with a couple of blowouts (one famously to Brisbane that caused some sort of ruction between him and Broich).  He still came third with a goal average that was positive (just).  A couple of teams, Adelaide and Brisbane, ran similar GDs that year. 
Then, as usual, he left.  The fans weren't happy to see him go though.

Maybe the best bet to back the theory is his 2019 run with YFM.  In that season his team probably shipped 8-10 goals more than they should have.  They still won the League with a 30+ goal difference though.  Everybody seemed happy with coming first and nobody screaming about his defensive record.

As for World Cup qualifying:
In the infamous third round for the 2018 WC it was lack of goals that was our problem not our defence.
We lost a single game.  The problem was that we won 5 but drew 4.  That cost us 8 points.  5W 4D 1L, taken in isolation, suggests we played too defensively.  I don't attest that at all.
We ended with the same 19 points as Saudi Arabia but they had 6W  1D  3L.
Japan topped the group with 20 points.  A single goal in any of those draws would have seen us top the group.
We created chances but for some reason couldn't put them away.  It's painful.

There is nothing wrong with Ange and defence.  If he was producing a negative GD it would be a genuine criticism. 

I watched that Celtic game the other night.  At times it was a contest well below what you might expect from the hype of European football theatre.
None of the backline that he used would get a game in any A League squad.  I really don't know if they've always been that bad or it's a transition thing, but they were barely competent for long periods.

They also seemed to lack a quality DM and a genuine box to box midfielder.  Up front they looked OK.  Can't base much on one view in a game played outside their League, but you wouldn't buy a season ticket based on the quality of the players on show.  The Japanese guy oozed class. The back line just oozed.
Ange has quite the job in front of him. 

Thats what happens when your front 3 is Kruse leckie and juric ... same problem in the world cup itself. BvM set us up very well but players could create or finish in final third 

Couldn't *

For sure tactically he isn't up to it defensively... should bring someone in to help with that who knows his style.

This is gettin silly.  Just go through his career again.  "tactically he isn't up to it defensively"  Good god.

One swallow doesn’t make a summer and Celtic still need a few more reinforcements before the window closes (when is that, by the way, end of August?), maybe five or six more players, but two wins in a row and a convincing six-nil win last night has just bought Ange more time in a league where unknowns don’t get time. Ange won’t get the time Gerrard was given at Rangers, that’s just a fact. But there’s a core of support for him now in the fanbase that know the squad was a shambles when he arrived and understand a thorough rebuilding job is required. My biggest concern is not the defence surprisingly but actually making sure Ange can get two or three more attacking midfielders, wingers or strikers of Abada and Kyogo’s quality. They are Ange type players and he needs a few more to keep pressing the opposition defenders and then run them raggard when they have the ball. Ange’s defending starts at the top of the park. Still, this just got more interesting after last night. Of course, a loss in the next week and it will swing around again and everything will be ‘catastrophic’. 

That should buy Ange a little time - until the next loss anyway :hehe:

Good to see Tom on the scoresheet as well.  

Long season ahead, but it’s awesome reading the Reddit comments from Celtic supporters seeing Angeball in full flight for the first time.

Lovely finish by Rogic as well.

Some nice interplay in both the goals scores and missed opportunities. Looks like Ange is beginning to leave his mark.

good performance all the talk is about is Furuhashi but I think Abada is top quality...perfect for Ange... so hungry to score all the time.