Could have been us if Slomo picked up the phone 6 months earlier. ('It's not a race' TM.)

NSW 27,026
Vic 22,072

That esculated quickly 

yer, its come to the point now why or who cares now re infections tbh.....
I just want the vax %'s up so we can move ahead, or whatever it is moving ahead into the wild.

100%. It's out now and there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.

On the plus side the huge amount of infections has been the kick up the arse everyone needed to go and get vaccinated. (Which, if the government can keep up supplies, is going gangbusters.)

Also...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/pfizer-doses-availability-australia-singapore-covid-19/100421462

Just out of the doctors. Juiced up with 2 AZs and locked to the Optus network.

Get fucked anti vaxxers.

sure, but we copped shit about it for 6 months from conservative media, suddenly it doesn't matter to any of them. 

Everyone saying it's hard as hell to get pfizer in melbourne now without waiting a few months

yep, its old news like I said its moved on to the next big thing though I'm sure your battered and bruised from the conservative bashing lol, its about point scoring for many I guess just saying, now  vax vax vax, booked out, can't get, website crashs, AZ no P yes, I have to have AZ now mehmehmeh, crycrycry, oh how dare you expect me or telling me to get jabbed, masks, wtf don't you wear a mask, oh they don't work, yes they do, who says, he says, she says, lockdown extensions, noooooooo what next ?
It all reminds me why I've never liked Australian soap shows etc - just terrible Muriel :)
Hang in there bud, I'd like to win as well but I'm actually over it.

People who dont have a documented plan typically lose site of the objective

Australia went from "how do we stop our hospital systems from being overrun?" to "what rules should we have?"

IMO we need a clean out from response teams and re-establish them with new and specific objectives. The current teams were hired to stop an unknown virus from infecting 20%-60% of the population and killing 4% of those. They havent stopped acting that way. Move it away from the premiers and set up a single national team that reports to the PM

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/premier-dan-andrews-covid-zero-dream-is-a-nightmare-for-victorians/ar-AANVkB0

While Mr Andrews has repeatedly derided his NSW counterpart Gladys Berejiklian for not enacting stricter lockdown measures, there was now a tacit admission in Victoria that the 'go hard and go early' approach to lockdowns was not yielding the expected results.

Even New Zealand, which went into an immediate level four snap lockdown as soon as they were notified of their first case of the Delta strain, has been unable stop its ubiquitous spread.

Good article about faith and confidence in the Victorian response team at the moment. But the quoted bit ties back to what I was saying about the naivety that this can be beaten with a snap hard lockdown

Its a different ball game and things arent the same as last year both in how the virus acts and how people are responding to restrictions

Just get the AZ. The nurse I spoke to today said AZ for my 18 year old was better than Pfizer so don't wait. (One dose is 60% effective.) Don't know how old you are but maybe that's an option.

The issue I saw with AZ was the Catch-22 regarding the intervals between doses. For the vaccine to be most effective its best to have the doses spaces at 12 weeks, which in the middle of the worst outbreak we've had is a long time to be only partially protected. To combat that they've stated giving does 4 weeks apart which doesn't provide the same level of protection, but still pretty good. AZ is looking like the protection lasts longer than the mRNA vaccines too.

Other then that the concerns are are so unbelievably overblown: 1 in a MILLION chance dying from a blood clot ffs. This is where the government fucked up imo, by saying only over 55s should have it.  

German public broadcaster and the rest of the media did the same with AZ unfortunately. They interviewed 'experts' who gave statements more on opinion than fact and it spread like a wildfire through society. Nearly ever GP here said it's still a good vaccine but due to what seemed to become valid concern, saw a massive rejection of it. I was given the choice and I must admit even my brain was playing tricks. Got Biontech.

Germany now has so much oversupply and tents are at the train stations to get any jab you like. Despite this, the rate has plateaued immensely as in the UK Germany hit 60% last night. This is where I fear Australia will see the plateau once all those willing have done it.

Covid jabs brought to you by the Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex

I have had Pfizer about two months ago. 

I just hate conservative media tbh. 

The ABC tracker is showing that NSW has 68% with first shots (58% nationally) and I image that the number will get higher and we could end up being at around 75% since there hasn't been any sign of plateau yet (it will probably slow within 2 weeks since the rate is now almost 5% a week) - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/13197518

NSW is also pulling ahead overall given the rate of progress. Last time I mentioned the tracker, NSW was 10 days ahead of Victoria to get to 80% by 9 November (with Victoria at 19 November), now it is 30 October (with Victoria at 20 November). 

I hear what you are saying - but I'm not sure I'd put in under Morrison. TBH even the state run hubs are mostly for TV. The majority of jabs are being done by GPs and increasingly by chemists  

National Cabinet signed onto 70-80% double jabbed in each jurisdiction before we open up. My problem is with the communication. When NSW gets to 70% we will not 'getting our freedoms' in NSW. We will be disappointed. 

Early on in the large Vic lockdown I listened to a show with someone who had researched the mental health of returning Australian POWs from WWII. Now this is old research but basically it said that those that didn't set unrealistic targets fared the best. i.e. those that thought 'I'll be home for Christmas" were disappointed ' then set another target like "I'll be home by summer" and were again disappointed. Those that accepted their lot or indeed did something to escape fared better in the mental health area. 

I think the message should be lets get to 70%-80% (currently in the mid 30s) while trying to get the cases as low as possible. At this stage 70% is due around the end of October, 80% mid Nov. NSW is basically 2 weeks in front of the national rate  The lower the cases when we get to that stage the more you can open. In spite of what Hazzard is saying NSW Health is struggling - they just don't have the nurses to ramp up much more than they have already.  

N.B 70% of the target population still leaves 11milion people unvaccinated. 80% leaves 9 million unvaccinated.  ACT also believe they will be at 90% by the time the 80% national targets are met and are saying that there is very little hesitancy - just a lack of supply.  

it is this dangling of a carrot that is sending the wrong message. Make it clear - getting vaccinated as soon as possible AND and getting cases lower by the time we get to those benchmarks will give us more options - that should be the plan.   

As we get closer to the bench marks you can start dangling carrots because you will know what the case rates and particularly the hospitalisation rates are. If the hositalisation rates are high when we get to the 70% or 80% the options will be very limited    

The problem with the vaccination targets is there is no definitive plan and no definitive agreement

70%-80% is ambiguous. "There will be no more lockdowns" is based on definition of what constitutes a lockdown and given not many people accept that what NSW had is a lockdown its fair to say they dont need any changes when they get to 70%-80%

There is also the debate about which restrictions we are going to have for the life of the pandemic, ie- for years to come. Just think, 5 years from now you're still going to be banned state wide from going on a bus without wearing a mask because there is a chance you might catch or spread COVID. You're going to be allowed to have 200 people at your house or attend a sport with 100000 at the ground, but you really run the risk if you try to catch a bus without wearing a mask

There is nothing concrete. Just a few promises in hope people will vaccinate and once the 70% is hit then the premiers get what they wanted anyway without having to give anything up. I have witnessed time and time during this pandemic "you do this for us and we might do this for you" and every time people have responded and every time response teams have failed to deliver

Not once have I seen "thanks for the hard work guys. The virus has been eliminated so now the only thing we are going to have between now and the next outbreak is quarantine, contact tracing and regulated public social distancing". Remember the national framework? Instead its been regulation after regulation after regulation and the squeeze gets tighter with every outbreak. We have even seen state wide law introduced and rolled out because the premier was angry with the behaviour of a few people FFS

People have been asking for a plan right now as to what will definitively happen when they stick a needle in their arm and all they have gotten is politician speak. The only thing we can agree on is there will be no agreement. Each state will do its own thing and each thing will last as long as that person is in charge. I absolutely hated having to wait until November next year for our election but now I see major advantages. I know people say the other guy is even worse but 4 more years of this shit is much worse than 4 years of that shit

bluebird, if in your opinion everything is wrong. Can you give us your solution to solving the worldwide corona issue? In 5 dot points please 

1/ Accept it is 18 months too late to eliminate and deal with the reality this is here for the long term
2/ Vaccinate the elderly and health workers as a priority
3/ Scale back to a national approach to nothing more than quarantine, contact tracing, public social distancing (there are always venue caps, spacing and management of congestion even when there isnt a pandemic). If you are worried, dont leave your house
4/ Formulate a plan for opening the shorelines when everybody has had a chance to vaccinate and when vaccine supplies are in surplus
5/ Accept that COVID is no different to the flu, aids, cancer, car accidents, drowning etc... There is no sense in a 5-10 year plan of avoiding getting it. Its too late for that

Sure, who else would make them?

Bikies. 

Thanks I understand all your points, except the last. It is different than all those things, in fact they all should be treated differently. 
The only way it could be treated like the flu is if we all get vaxxed and it's looking like we continue to get boosters. 
We also need these numbskulls to accept it's real. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGn55BRyDSk

Lol.

Day 2 of my 2nd AZ and no side effects as yet except a slightly sore arm. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKrCs1rFRI

Something like 9.5:10 of the worlds vaccines ever invented only show adverse effects in first five weeks. 

Did you pull up alright after each jab?

First one the side effects seemed to be worse for me. Sore arm (like really sore, loss of strength, aches even in my shoulder blade), fatigue, and headaches. Lasted about 3 days
Second one, I've had the same symptoms but each one less severe. It's day 2 now and I already feel pretty much back to normal.