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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCrazy to think they're about to enter the worst period since pandemic began and she's not fronting the media anymore and putting up a video on NSW health site. This would be understandable if there was no cases, not when your reckless decisions have resulted in this. Where is the leadership? It really looks like a rat scurrying from the ship. Nobody even answering questions now.... Say or believe what you want about "chairman Dan" or "Mao Tse Dan" or "Adolf Andrews" or whatever the haters want to call the guy but at least he has had the cojones to front up to the media EVERY SINGLE DAY apart from when he was injured..... I dont agree with alot of what has transpired, or even the reasoning behind why it has but leadership, at least to me, means stepping up and being accountable for your actions... something the Libs don't seem to have a good grasp on in this country. And without a hint of shame News.com broke their necks to get this up:  Gladys, rightfully so, wants to move away from the hysteria of daily numbers. The situation in NSW isnt going to change. For those who want numbers there will be a daily video giving them. The biggest health crisis in a century about to get worse, with things changing almost daily, and public info absolutely critical, and the government has nobody to answer questions and be accountable? Also how does this look as a leader? Not to mention the absolute basics of information only being available on a video on NSW health website. Do you know how harder that is going to be to get critical messaging to the masses? Are news networks supposed to play that video? Going out on a limb here I think this isn't as bad as people are trying to make out. Covid is here, they can't stop it, hurry up and get vaccinated and we can get on with it. My mate sent me something about Singapore and how they're having a resurgence in cases as an up yours to me who's saying let's open up. To me it just shows that if Singapore can't make it work and contain then we definitely can't so let's get everyone who wants to and can be vaccinated and open 'er up.Fucks sake. Let's also see more discussion about getting other vaccines available to the Australian public if (based on available data) they appear safer and also more effective at immunising people against COVID. Such as? The Sputnik vaccine developed in Russia or the vaccine being issued in China, for starters. I don't have it on 100% authority, but I gather that the team who developed the Sputnik vaccine tested it first on animals and then jabbed themselves with it before making it public. If that isn't a sign of confidence in what they are rolling out I don't know what is? Obviously we have to take much of what comes out of China with a certain degree of skepticism, but from what we can see, the vaccine they are issuing appears to be more effective than the ones available to us here, to the point it stops the patient from spreading the virus altogether. Where are you getting your information exactly? The Chinese vaccines so far have been clearly shown to be significantly less effective than just about any other vaccine out there, so much to the point that healthcare workers in countries like Thailand are protesting, demanding a third booster shot. The Sputnik vaccine actually looks quite good. I find it absolutely astonishing, however, that you are particularly wary of data corruption or interference by big pharmaceutical companies yet immediately take the anecdote from an authoritarian dictatorship at face value.
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A mate of mine in Russia was actually in one of the testing phases of Sputnik V, he's been fine since and got a test later on showing he had antibodies, so I guess it worked. Completely anecdotal, of course.
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Queenscliffe has reached 95.9% first dose, a lot of retirees there and it's the smallest LGA in Victoria (it survived amalgamation in the 90s) but it's still an encouraging sign.
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Burztur
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xCrazy to think they're about to enter the worst period since pandemic began and she's not fronting the media anymore and putting up a video on NSW health site. This would be understandable if there was no cases, not when your reckless decisions have resulted in this. Where is the leadership? It really looks like a rat scurrying from the ship. Nobody even answering questions now.... Say or believe what you want about "chairman Dan" or "Mao Tse Dan" or "Adolf Andrews" or whatever the haters want to call the guy but at least he has had the cojones to front up to the media EVERY SINGLE DAY apart from when he was injured..... I dont agree with alot of what has transpired, or even the reasoning behind why it has but leadership, at least to me, means stepping up and being accountable for your actions... something the Libs don't seem to have a good grasp on in this country. And without a hint of shame News.com broke their necks to get this up:  Gladys, rightfully so, wants to move away from the hysteria of daily numbers. The situation in NSW isnt going to change. For those who want numbers there will be a daily video giving them. The biggest health crisis in a century about to get worse, with things changing almost daily, and public info absolutely critical, and the government has nobody to answer questions and be accountable? Also how does this look as a leader? Not to mention the absolute basics of information only being available on a video on NSW health website. Do you know how harder that is going to be to get critical messaging to the masses? Are news networks supposed to play that video? Going out on a limb here I think this isn't as bad as people are trying to make out. Covid is here, they can't stop it, hurry up and get vaccinated and we can get on with it. My mate sent me something about Singapore and how they're having a resurgence in cases as an up yours to me who's saying let's open up. To me it just shows that if Singapore can't make it work and contain then we definitely can't so let's get everyone who wants to and can be vaccinated and open 'er up.Fucks sake. Let's also see more discussion about getting other vaccines available to the Australian public if (based on available data) they appear safer and also more effective at immunising people against COVID. Such as? The Sputnik vaccine developed in Russia or the vaccine being issued in China, for starters. I don't have it on 100% authority, but I gather that the team who developed the Sputnik vaccine tested it first on animals and then jabbed themselves with it before making it public. If that isn't a sign of confidence in what they are rolling out I don't know what is? Obviously we have to take much of what comes out of China with a certain degree of skepticism, but from what we can see, the vaccine they are issuing appears to be more effective than the ones available to us here, to the point it stops the patient from spreading the virus altogether. They also need to be willing to import the goods to Australia as well. I don't think they're bothered with doing that.
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Burztur
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+xA mate of mine in Russia was actually in one of the testing phases of Sputnik V, he's been fine since and got a test later on showing he had antibodies, so I guess it worked. Completely anecdotal, of course. There was an article posted a while back about how Sputnik works. Apparently it is similar to AZ but uses two methods (1 for each shot) but because of the two methods, it creates more antibodies and they stick around.
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More antibodies stay longer in the system with one shot rather than two, guess proper trials would have found this out before roll out , source tbc
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+xMore antibodies stay longer in the system with one shot rather than two, guess proper trials would have found this out before roll out , source tbc Keen to see your source. Wasn't able to find anything of the sort. One thing I'm pretty certain on is that next generation vaccines will eventually come on to the market that produce an even better and longer lasting immune response. The ones we have are already amazingly good though.
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mask wearing may not be enough, mandatory nappies may be next.... Government fears over Covid being spread through fartingA number of UK government ministers have expressed concern over the possibility of coronavirus spreading through flatulence. There is reportedly evidence to suggest the deadly virus could spread through people farting in confined spaces such as a toilet. Tests have shown that Covid-19 can spread through faecal matter however there is no definitive science to say whether flatulence could spread the disease responsible for a global health crisis. One minister, who was not named, told The Telegraph that there is “credible-looking stuff on it”. https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/19469537.government-fears-covid-spread-farting/
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+xmask wearing may not be enough, mandatory nappies may be next.... Government fears over Covid being spread through fartingA number of UK government ministers have expressed concern over the possibility of coronavirus spreading through flatulence. There is reportedly evidence to suggest the deadly virus could spread through people farting in confined spaces such as a toilet. Tests have shown that Covid-19 can spread through faecal matter however there is no definitive science to say whether flatulence could spread the disease responsible for a global health crisis. One minister, who was not named, told The Telegraph that there is “credible-looking stuff on it”. https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/19469537.government-fears-covid-spread-farting/ this is like one of them old British satirical paper stories. As much as the Bournemouth Echo is a bastion of award-winning journalism, a story with zero sources and the word 'reportedly' before evidence, should see this consigned to Viz Comic instead. Quite funny tho
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+x+xmask wearing may not be enough, mandatory nappies may be next.... Government fears over Covid being spread through fartingA number of UK government ministers have expressed concern over the possibility of coronavirus spreading through flatulence. There is reportedly evidence to suggest the deadly virus could spread through people farting in confined spaces such as a toilet. Tests have shown that Covid-19 can spread through faecal matter however there is no definitive science to say whether flatulence could spread the disease responsible for a global health crisis. One minister, who was not named, told The Telegraph that there is “credible-looking stuff on it”. https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/19469537.government-fears-covid-spread-farting/ this is like one of them old British satirical paper stories. As much as the Bournemouth Echo is a bastion of award-winning journalism, a story with zero sources and the word 'reportedly' before evidence, should see this consigned to Viz Comic instead. Quite funny tho you may think its funny now, but you wont be laughing when Dictator Dan gives you a $5K fine for pulling someones finger!
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+x+x+xmask wearing may not be enough, mandatory nappies may be next.... Government fears over Covid being spread through fartingA number of UK government ministers have expressed concern over the possibility of coronavirus spreading through flatulence. There is reportedly evidence to suggest the deadly virus could spread through people farting in confined spaces such as a toilet. Tests have shown that Covid-19 can spread through faecal matter however there is no definitive science to say whether flatulence could spread the disease responsible for a global health crisis. One minister, who was not named, told The Telegraph that there is “credible-looking stuff on it”. https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/19469537.government-fears-covid-spread-farting/ this is like one of them old British satirical paper stories. As much as the Bournemouth Echo is a bastion of award-winning journalism, a story with zero sources and the word 'reportedly' before evidence, should see this consigned to Viz Comic instead. Quite funny tho you may think its funny now, but you wont be laughing when Dictator Dan gives you a $5K fine for pulling someones finger! Genuinely loled :D
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+x+x+xmask wearing may not be enough, mandatory nappies may be next.... Government fears over Covid being spread through fartingA number of UK government ministers have expressed concern over the possibility of coronavirus spreading through flatulence. There is reportedly evidence to suggest the deadly virus could spread through people farting in confined spaces such as a toilet. Tests have shown that Covid-19 can spread through faecal matter however there is no definitive science to say whether flatulence could spread the disease responsible for a global health crisis. One minister, who was not named, told The Telegraph that there is “credible-looking stuff on it”. https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/19469537.government-fears-covid-spread-farting/ this is like one of them old British satirical paper stories. As much as the Bournemouth Echo is a bastion of award-winning journalism, a story with zero sources and the word 'reportedly' before evidence, should see this consigned to Viz Comic instead. Quite funny tho you may think its funny now, but you wont be laughing when Dictator Dan gives you a $5K fine for pulling someones finger! 🤣🤣
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AJF, seems more appropiate that was a Monty Python skit or Fawlty Towers....... Too funny
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Got the first 5̶G̶ Pfizer jab yesterday. Arm still sore but feeling good (Y)
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+xmask wearing may not be enough, mandatory nappies may be next.... Government fears over Covid being spread through fartingA number of UK government ministers have expressed concern over the possibility of coronavirus spreading through flatulence. There is reportedly evidence to suggest the deadly virus could spread through people farting in confined spaces such as a toilet. Tests have shown that Covid-19 can spread through faecal matter however there is no definitive science to say whether flatulence could spread the disease responsible for a global health crisis. One minister, who was not named, told The Telegraph that there is “credible-looking stuff on it”. https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/19469537.government-fears-covid-spread-farting/ Old news. Debated by the ABC last year - https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/no-bare-bottoms-norman-swan-weighs-in/12154256
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Guardian Essential poll: majority of Australians support vaccine mandates
A majority of Australians would be comfortable with venues requiring patrons to be vaccinated as a condition of entry, and for jabs to be mandatory in a range of employment and leisure settings, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll.
The new poll shows mandatory vaccinations are supported for Australia’s health and disability care workers (83% and 82% of respondents approve). A further 77% of respondents think vaccines should be compulsory for airline travellers, and 74% think teachers and teacher’s aides should be inoculated before working at schools.
Majorities also support vaccinations as a condition of entry to sporting events (69%) and hospitality and entertainment venues (68%), while 62% agree mandatory jabs should be required for people to return to work at the workplace. Smaller majorities (58%) support mandatory vaccinations for students to attend school and for customers to shop at retail stores after lockdowns end.
Consistent with the inclination among survey respondents in favour of mandatory vaccination, more people (39%) in the sample even believe that vaccinated Covid patients should be prioritised for medical attention over unvaccinated people (34% express disagreement with that view).
A significant minority of respondents, 41%, say states with low or no Covid-19 cases should be allowed to keep their borders closed for as long as they think is necessary – while 37% say they would be comfortable with borders reopening in states with low or no cases but only once 80% of the population aged over 16 is fully vaccinated.
The percentage of respondents in the survey saying they will never be vaccinated is now down to 6%. It has been as high as 16% in some surveys. But views towards easing restrictions for fully vaccinated people also vary.
Just under half of respondents (44%) think restrictions should only be relaxed when everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated, while 39% think vaccinated people should be given a leave pass from restrictions immediately, while 17% expresses the view that vaccinated and unvaccinated people should not be treated differently. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/guardian-essential-poll-majority-of-australians-support-vaccine-mandatesThere's more in the article.
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+xGot the first 5̶G̶ Pfizer jab yesterday. Arm still sore but feeling good (Y) I'm getting my second tomorrow. Looking forward to some quality phone reception after.
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+x+xGot the first 5̶G̶ Pfizer jab yesterday. Arm still sore but feeling good (Y) I'm getting my second tomorrow. Looking forward to some quality phone reception after. Stay away from metal objects. At least initially.
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Interesting article. Seems there is a general consensus in scientific circles that booster shots are not necessary at this stage: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/covid-booster-shots-data-shows-third-shots-not-appropriate-at-this-time-scientists-conclude.html An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the World Health Organization, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.
While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. That’s because the body’s immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.
“Current evidence does not, therefore, appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high,” the scientists wrote, adding the wide distribution of boosters is “not appropriate at this stage in the pandemic.”
Sort of flies In the face of the assertion that the science community is acting at the behest of the"pharmaceutical industrial complex"
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+x+x+xGot the first 5̶G̶ Pfizer jab yesterday. Arm still sore but feeling good (Y) I'm getting my second tomorrow. Looking forward to some quality phone reception after. Stay away from metal objects. At least initially. I was impressed with all the negative pov and spin on AZ, my mobile jumps to 5g lol......
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+x+xGot the first 5̶G̶ Pfizer jab yesterday. Arm still sore but feeling good (Y) I'm getting my second tomorrow. Looking forward to some quality phone reception after. So far, I've resisted buying more Microsoft products. I fear I can only hold out for so long.
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+xGuardian Essential poll: majority of Australians support vaccine mandates
A majority of Australians would be comfortable with venues requiring patrons to be vaccinated as a condition of entry, and for jabs to be mandatory in a range of employment and leisure settings, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll.
The new poll shows mandatory vaccinations are supported for Australia’s health and disability care workers (83% and 82% of respondents approve). A further 77% of respondents think vaccines should be compulsory for airline travellers, and 74% think teachers and teacher’s aides should be inoculated before working at schools.
Majorities also support vaccinations as a condition of entry to sporting events (69%) and hospitality and entertainment venues (68%), while 62% agree mandatory jabs should be required for people to return to work at the workplace. Smaller majorities (58%) support mandatory vaccinations for students to attend school and for customers to shop at retail stores after lockdowns end.
Consistent with the inclination among survey respondents in favour of mandatory vaccination, more people (39%) in the sample even believe that vaccinated Covid patients should be prioritised for medical attention over unvaccinated people (34% express disagreement with that view).
A significant minority of respondents, 41%, say states with low or no Covid-19 cases should be allowed to keep their borders closed for as long as they think is necessary – while 37% say they would be comfortable with borders reopening in states with low or no cases but only once 80% of the population aged over 16 is fully vaccinated.
The percentage of respondents in the survey saying they will never be vaccinated is now down to 6%. It has been as high as 16% in some surveys. But views towards easing restrictions for fully vaccinated people also vary.
Just under half of respondents (44%) think restrictions should only be relaxed when everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated, while 39% think vaccinated people should be given a leave pass from restrictions immediately, while 17% expresses the view that vaccinated and unvaccinated people should not be treated differently. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/guardian-essential-poll-majority-of-australians-support-vaccine-mandatesThere's more in the article. I don't think we will get to 94% vaccinated but anything near 90% would be amazing.
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yer I can't see getting to 90% at this stage at all....... Time will tell once some restrictions lift and people get out and about again and contending with X business won't let you in, X sport has these new rules. You can't book online unless proof of double jab etcetcetc.... The daily trials and tribulations that impact people will force them into a corner, some will stick to their guns at their own peril. Thats life. Now this is all depending how stiff and not business's/shops/malls move ahead. Here's up to date jab figures.....80% projection from Oct 23 the ACT followed close by NSW, https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-interactive/2021/sep/15/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-australia-vaccination-rate-progress-how-many-people-vaccinated-percent-tracker-australian-states-number-total-daily-live-data-stats-updates-news-schedule-tracking-chart-percentage-new-cases-today
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+x+xGuardian Essential poll: majority of Australians support vaccine mandates
A majority of Australians would be comfortable with venues requiring patrons to be vaccinated as a condition of entry, and for jabs to be mandatory in a range of employment and leisure settings, according to the latest Guardian Essential poll.
The new poll shows mandatory vaccinations are supported for Australia’s health and disability care workers (83% and 82% of respondents approve). A further 77% of respondents think vaccines should be compulsory for airline travellers, and 74% think teachers and teacher’s aides should be inoculated before working at schools.
Majorities also support vaccinations as a condition of entry to sporting events (69%) and hospitality and entertainment venues (68%), while 62% agree mandatory jabs should be required for people to return to work at the workplace. Smaller majorities (58%) support mandatory vaccinations for students to attend school and for customers to shop at retail stores after lockdowns end.
Consistent with the inclination among survey respondents in favour of mandatory vaccination, more people (39%) in the sample even believe that vaccinated Covid patients should be prioritised for medical attention over unvaccinated people (34% express disagreement with that view).
A significant minority of respondents, 41%, say states with low or no Covid-19 cases should be allowed to keep their borders closed for as long as they think is necessary – while 37% say they would be comfortable with borders reopening in states with low or no cases but only once 80% of the population aged over 16 is fully vaccinated.
The percentage of respondents in the survey saying they will never be vaccinated is now down to 6%. It has been as high as 16% in some surveys. But views towards easing restrictions for fully vaccinated people also vary.
Just under half of respondents (44%) think restrictions should only be relaxed when everyone has had the opportunity to get vaccinated, while 39% think vaccinated people should be given a leave pass from restrictions immediately, while 17% expresses the view that vaccinated and unvaccinated people should not be treated differently. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/14/guardian-essential-poll-majority-of-australians-support-vaccine-mandatesThere's more in the article. I don't think we will get to 94% vaccinated but anything near 90% would be amazing. I'm quietly confident we'll get to 90%+ of 16+ eventually, especially once restrictions on the unvaccinated come in. Just need the supply.
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Ballarat has now been locked down 9 times which likely makes it the most locked down region in the world Thats 9 separate occasions the response team looked at Ballarat and made an informed health based decision that if it wasn't locked down hospital systems will be overrun, there will be deaths, and resources will be stretched Maybe its three digit abbreviation is BAT and they arent taking any chances This also made me laugh. Quote by AMA on Victorian restrictions They want them to stay unchanged until two weeks after 80 per cent of people aged over 12 years are fully vaccinated.
Projections show that could take until November (or beyond) As AJf said, watch the goal posts continue to shift for this state that doesnt want to leave lockdown. SO sad to see so many Vics coming out each week putting in the extra yards to get vaccinated in large numbers and tested when required, only to be met with constant restrictions and lockdowns
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+xBallarat has now been locked down 9 times which likely makes it the most locked down region in the world Thats 9 separate occasions the response team looked at Ballarat and made an informed health based decision that if it wasn't locked down hospital systems will be overrun, there will be deaths, and resources will be stretched Maybe its three digit abbreviation is BAT and they arent taking any chances This also made me laugh. Quote by AMA on Victorian restrictions They want them to stay unchanged until two weeks after 80 per cent of people aged over 12 years are fully vaccinated.
Projections show that could take until November (or beyond) As AJf said, watch the goal posts continue to shift for this state that doesnt want to leave lockdown. SO sad to see so many Vics coming out each week putting in the extra yards to get vaccinated in large numbers and tested when required, only to be met with constant restrictions and lockdowns Victoria is slipping in it's vaccination rate and is now last. Projected to be December 10 for 80% when it was November 10 previously. NSW have picked up the pace and will be there October 23 (previously around 30 October). Something needs to be done about more roll out in Victoria.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/queensland-what-happened-to-the-flu-in-2021/100456616If you have been thinking the flu has virtually disappeared from our lives, you are not wrong.Before COVID-19 arrived, the number of influenza cases was reaching some of its highest levels, with 313,033 notifications of laboratory-confirmed influenza across Australia in 2019 — 2.7 times higher than the five-year average — and 953 deaths
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Thats why health officials are pushing for 3-5 years of restrictions and have been pushing excessive measures throughout the duration of the pandemic Effectively they want us to keep doing what we have been doing but for all flus and viruses
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Melbourne Uni's vaccine hesitancy tracker has dropped to 9.4% not willing to be vaccinated and 7.3% not sure, putting us over 80% willing for the first time. https://melbourneinstitute.unimelb.edu.au/publications/research-insights/ttpn/vaccination-report
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Four NSW LGAs are now over 90% 15+ first jab, two rural and two wealthy metro: https://covidlive.com.au/report/vaccinations-by-lga/nswSad to see poorer, outer metro LGAs in Melbourne are trailing the pack in Victoria, a lot of work is being done there though so hopefully they catch up now we're getting our fair share of vaccines: https://covidlive.com.au/report/vaccinations-by-lga/vicFunny how both the Melbourne and Sydney LGAs are also really low, although this could be explained by the younger demographics there and hopefully they'll catch up soon too. These seem to be updated on Mondays, so I probably shouldn't have made this post on a Friday lol
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