The Orange Army. (Brisbane Roar Official Thread)


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I found that to be a game of two halves.

The first half we were playing good football, applying and handling pressure well, and trying to be creative.

Mileusnic made a bad pass and had a poor shot on goal early - but he had worked to be in position and it was his execution that let him down. Other than that he showed a lot more of what we need from him.

Ivanovic was a big improvement on Dehmie.

Jesse Daley had a very strong game and was as creative as I have seen him. His passing in tight spaces and under close pressure was really good. Surprisingly I did not think we lost too much with him in for Steinmann.

Hingert deserves a mention for getting a lot of the ball going forward and he handled it well most times.

Akabri also good and strong again.

And then we had the second half, where we lost all movement and stood waiting for the ball instead of keeping the intensity high. Both teams did it, so the heat may well be to blame. Felt more like we were playing not to lose than trying to win. The substitutions took a lot out of the game for us - and on the flipside Adelaide's subs were creating dangerously for them.

Unlucky not to score a few. Equally lucky not to concede a few.

Still a fair way to go for us, but an improvement in my eyes. I am closer to thinking we can get our act together after that first half/two thirds.

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Positive defence looks better and some good scrambled defence. Freke still give me zero confidence as a keeper. Mostly for his positioning.

My god if only we could have someone that could finish. Steinmann hasn't really gelled with the team just yet. I think that's been the fault in the last two games in terms of play. As with Daley Akbari and O'Shea starting the day the midfield play was far better. But we lost so much when the young kids came on. Lescano actually looks to hit the target but hasn't played with the team so not being found.

Good to get a point but really need a win.
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Roar in me Blood - 4 Dec 2021 7:55 PM
I found that to be a game of two halves.

The first half we were playing good football, applying and handling pressure well, and trying to be creative.

Mileusnic made a bad pass and had a poor shot on goal early - but he had worked to be in position and it was his execution that let him down. Other than that he showed a lot more of what we need from him.

Ivanovic was a big improvement on Dehmie.

Jesse Daley had a very strong game and was as creative as I have seen him. His passing in tight spaces and under close pressure was really good. Surprisingly I did not think we lost too much with him in for Steinmann.

Hingert deserves a mention for getting a lot of the ball going forward and he handled it well most times.

Akabri also good and strong again.

And then we had the second half, where we lost all movement and stood waiting for the ball instead of keeping the intensity high. Both teams did it, so the heat may well be to blame. Felt more like we were playing not to lose than trying to win. The substitutions took a lot out of the game for us - and on the flipside Adelaide's subs were creating dangerously for them.

Unlucky not to score a few. Equally lucky not to concede a few.

Still a fair way to go for us, but an improvement in my eyes. I am closer to thinking we can get our act together after that first half/two thirds.

Hey Roar IMB, sorry didn't watch your game, no Paramount ( I hear its pretty crapoy anyway so not getting it) but I just had to laugh at your " it was a game of two halfs" line  mate... hahahahahaha no shit it was.. Its in the rules they have to be 2 halfs.... hhahahahaha
P.S told you to watch out for Jesse, he is a dynamite creative player and holds on to the ball pretty well. 
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lolitsbigmic - 4 Dec 2021 8:11 PM
Positive defence looks better and some good scrambled defence. Freke still give me zero confidence as a keeper. Mostly for his positioning.

My god if only we could have someone that could finish. Steinmann hasn't really gelled with the team just yet. I think that's been the fault in the last two games in terms of play. As with Daley Akbari and O'Shea starting the day the midfield play was far better. But we lost so much when the young kids came on. Lescano actually looks to hit the target but hasn't played with the team so not being found.

Good to get a point but really need a win.

More impressed with our defence especially mlinaric today.  Put in some key challenges.  

Struggled to play out in first half resorting to long balls. If hingert was a better attacker we could cause a lot of problems. Second half i thought both teams were opened up especially in transition. 

Daley is busy but end product is lacking and pays backwards too much. Id like to see steinmann as a cdm. Perhaps we need 5-3-2 or 4-3-3 to accommodate Daley.

Lescano playing out wide is not his best position. Need him central with players either side
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it was a better performance but still a long long way from being a good performance. in the first half we really struggled to move the ball forward. we consolidated possession well worked it to the wider defenders then lost possession playing into the CM's or trying to play forward. particularly in the first half trying to hit oshae, if adl were better we should have been punished turning over possession on our side of halfway. Under fowler that was were we were really good, we could always find a little triangle to move our wide defenders forward and break the line and if we couldnt we would recycle to our back line and start again until we did break the line. on Saturday the only way we were moving forward was by big raking diagonal passes to our wide defenders who were then pressed quickly on their first touch and were not good enough to keep the attack going or find the next pass. or from long straight balls to our front 2 from our back 3. 

I like akbari but i think he is causing a lot of our troubles at the moment as he is not providing that link bringing the ball out which is causing the turn overs and forcing our strikers to pick up the ball deeper. i would perhaps look to move oshae into the AM role as he is a better link and move akbari back to the CM role, or rotate steinmann akbari and daley there. I thought Ivanovic was good but really should have scored his one chance. He was completely gassed because he was the only one picking up possession around halfway then had no support again caused by akbari being an inefficient link.

melusenic was better than the last couple of weeks as we were looking to hit the long straight ball to use his speed but he has still shown nothing to me that warrants a starting spot. it forces us to play shit long ball football and it is clear that he cant shoot so what is the playing him from the start, he would be better as an impact sub where he can run at a tired defence. 




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Akbari was good against NPL opposition for half a game .but i dont think we can afford to wait for him to develop in that position.Its better to get players in who know the postion.Like Parsons.Someone who is an actual threat.
Move him back to where he was okay last year.
Steinmann hasnt shot the lights out and Daley seems to be performing the best  of the three.Which is a disappointment.We needed Akbari and Steinmann to step up.,to compensate for our losses up front.Danzaki ,Champness and DWH.At the moment we are clearly weaker.
If Steinmann plays ,he needs someone agile ,like Daley next to him ,as his pairing with JOS hasn't worked.


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crimsoncrusoe - 6 Dec 2021 11:41 AM
Akbari was good against NPL opposition for half a game .but i dont think we can afford to wait for him to develop in that position.Its better to get players in who know the postion.Like Parsons.Someone who is an actual threat.
Move him back to where he was okay last year.
Steinmann hasnt shot the lights out and Daley seems to be performing the best  of the three.Which is a disappointment.We needed Akbari and Steinmann to step up.,to compensate for our losses up front.Danzaki ,Champness and DWH.At the moment we are clearly weaker.
If Steinmann plays ,he needs someone agile ,like Daley next to him ,as his pairing with JOS hasn't worked.


yeah agree with that. I wonder what has happened to parsons not in the squad 2 weeks in a row. 

I wish the APL released the ins and outs so we can see who is injured and who is just dropped.
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Roar in me Blood - 4 Dec 2021 7:55 PM
I found that to be a game of two halves.

The first half we were playing good football, applying and handling pressure well, and trying to be creative.

Mileusnic made a bad pass and had a poor shot on goal early - but he had worked to be in position and it was his execution that let him down. Other than that he showed a lot more of what we need from him.

Ivanovic was a big improvement on Dehmie.

Jesse Daley had a very strong game and was as creative as I have seen him. His passing in tight spaces and under close pressure was really good. Surprisingly I did not think we lost too much with him in for Steinmann.

Hingert deserves a mention for getting a lot of the ball going forward and he handled it well most times.

Akabri also good and strong again.

And then we had the second half, where we lost all movement and stood waiting for the ball instead of keeping the intensity high. Both teams did it, so the heat may well be to blame. Felt more like we were playing not to lose than trying to win. The substitutions took a lot out of the game for us - and on the flipside Adelaide's subs were creating dangerously for them.

Unlucky not to score a few. Equally lucky not to concede a few.

Still a fair way to go for us, but an improvement in my eyes. I am closer to thinking we can get our act together after that first half/two thirds.

I thought Daley was best on park for us on Saturday, he bossed the midfield and freed up Jay in a way that Steinmann hasn't been able to in the first 2 games and it was very noticeable when Steinmann came on for Daley, that was when the game flipped imo. I don't know if I am misremembering Steinmann's ability when he was at Wellington, of if there is some other reason he is struggling, but he has been really disappointing so far this season.

Just need the forwards to get their shooting boots on, we created some good opportunities just could not keep the ball away from Delianov.

I'll take the positives, we played much better than we did against Melbourne and as long as we keep improving that is ok but there is still a lot to improve on.
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I'm expecting Jamie young is going to be a wall with dwh scoring 3.
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Looks like all the Roar fans have left.Its going to be a tough tough season.
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Definitely looking below standard pretty much across the park. Aldred coming back will make a bit of difference, but won't really matter if we have no attacking threat. A lot of other clubs lifted with regards to recruitment, whereas we brought in a few experienced players that barely cover the experience that left, and then filled the gaps with NPL and youth. Makes sense that we aren't going to be competitive. Moon has a very tough assignment this season, and it's hard to know who to point the finger at for poor results between him and the Bakries. Could be another coach getting no support/funds who will eventually be thrown under the bus. 
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Mello-D - 11 Dec 2021 8:05 PM
Definitely looking below standard pretty much across the park. Aldred coming back will make a bit of difference, but won't really matter if we have no attacking threat. A lot of other clubs lifted with regards to recruitment, whereas we brought in a few experienced players that barely cover the experience that left, and then filled the gaps with NPL and youth. Makes sense that we aren't going to be competitive. Moon has a very tough assignment this season, and it's hard to know who to point the finger at for poor results between him and the Bakries. Could be another coach getting no support/funds who will eventually be thrown under the bus. 

Hard to watch.  Forward passes were absent. Urgency non existent.  Daley is poor. I don't understand his plaudits.  Gets the ball in space and first thought is backwards.  Prefer 4 at back but trewin is not a rb. Pedestrian is being kind.
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Disappointed again. More excuses coming I guess. 
We’ve been hanging now for a few years hoping things will get better but it’s not looking hopeful.
i know it’s only 1-0, but I don’t thin WUtd are that good so what are we.
very disillusioned!!



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lolitsbigmic - 11 Dec 2021 4:52 PM
I'm expecting Jamie young is going to be a wall with dwh scoring 3.

Could have been a Jamie Young cardboard cutout for all he had to do.
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The worst things is after four games we barely have had any serious shots on goal .
We have pace on the wings and cannot create any opportunities there and the midfield really has no clue other than pass sideways and back.
A whole preseason playing NPL teams has been a total waste of time.Players seem to have gone backwards in ability.
Bring back Fowler lol.At least we could score.


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No excuses - but we are a side that has a long way to go to be a cohesive unit.  Moon has the great opportunity of proving himself with these players now and from where we sit he has a huge challenge ahead of him.

I do not think we have our first team sorted yet and that is obvious when we have multiple changes from one game to the next. Injury goes some way towards accounting for that but the changes up front show Moon is trying to figure out who plays best with whom.

Lescano, to me, needs a quality AM to set him up and put him in a position to do what he can do. With O'Shea so deep we have no creative playmaker looking to exploit Lescano's strengths making him quite ineffective.

Our young players are going to have to be given the time they need to step up - and regardless of how people think we will have a wasted season, if we do not give them the chance to develop and accept our losses now we will never see the best of them.

I am all for giving Moon time to build the squad into something functional. You could see his frustration with our inability to retain the ball today - players who get paid to play at this level have an obligation to apply their skills consistently. Today we had so many players giving the ball away cheaply all game that it was impossible to create pressure, sustain an attack, or even make WU work for it.  The way we kept passing backwards at every sign of opposition was totally against what we needed to be doing to get the goal back. The way Moon (or the players?) made Parsons chase down the 4 WU backline players and keeper by himself when time was ticking away was criminal. That second half was one of the most lacklustre performances we have put in for the last 3 seasons.

O'Shea cannot play as our DM. He is our only experienced playmaker and creator and we have to get him forward and no matter how well he does in that role we need him further forward. Daley seemed to be occupying the role that O'Shea should be playing - and that tells me that it was a deliberate positional change from Moon seeing how well Daley played a creative DM role the previous game and has now tested him out in the midfield. Swap them back please Warren. Steinmann/Daley in the DM role and O'Shea freed again to bring it forward and give our front third something to run off.

Parsons was choked out of play with WU a goal up and defending deep. We did not see much of what he can do at all with players not running into space for each other. Isolated, Parsons struggles to break through at this stage of his own development.

We are not seeing what this squad can do. That was a really disheartening performance and the failures today did not pass by Moon unnoticed.

Next game I expect a step up on the week before and this game to be forgotten forever - although having 3 of our 4 experienced backs out does not give anyone in the midfield or further forward any trust in pushing forwards.


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I’m all for bringing in young players, absolutely. However it appears to me there can be too many.
Agreed that O’Shea seems to be our main real creator and that is not good enough if he’s too deep.
How Can we attract a certain class of player with these performances ?



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To me this all seems to symptomatic of a lack of investment from the top down. 

We have -

- an NPL level squad with a few a-league level players
- a home ground not even in Brisbane. We’re now okay attracting 6k to home games when we used to get 12-15k regularly
- no training base
- no offices

What professional players would want to play for a rabble of a club like this. We need the Bakries to sell and some serious investment in the playing squad and the club in general. We are going backwards with the current arrangement and with no improvement in sight it really is tough to follow this club at the moment.

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Calling it now, wooden spooners potential this season, no creativity up front, pros at passing backwards, I expect Redcliffe crowds will be around 3-4k. 



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MrBrisbane - 12 Dec 2021 10:20 AM
Calling it now, wooden spooners potential this season, no creativity up front, pros at passing backwards, I expect Redcliffe crowds will be around 3-4k. 

Agree that things aren't looking good and this is a reasonable projection. 
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Yeh,Wooden spoon favourites.The reason being ,who else will be worse?
I dont like excuses about team cohesion.We have had an endless preseason and many other teams have had complete squad overhauls and are playing well.NJ’s for example.
Teams at the top like WU and MB finished below us last season and have had significant squad changes  and a new coach in WU’s case.
We were fourth last season and are a shadow of that team.Now we are the team that defends deep early ,then passes the ball around looking pretty with no end result,to eke out a narrow loss.
Hey if we are going to lose how about we play football.We make it easy for the opposition if we dont threaten them.Our press is shocking and our attack is pop gun stuff.
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Every player is down on performance. Firstly, O'Shea must play further up the park with Steinmann as the no.6. Al Parsons, Nic Olsen and to a certain degree, Lofthouse and Hore are the only form players. 
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Just watched the replay of yesterday's game and I hate to say it, but watching BR reminded me a lot of what it was like watching MV last season. You can't really single out one area of concern, the whole thing is just broken. Maybe they can remedy some issues in the Jan transfer window, but I reckon Moon probably needs to go sooner rather than later. 
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Keeper66 - 11 Dec 2021 9:30 PM
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Could have been a Jamie Young cardboard cutout for all he had to do.

It was honestly worse than my prediction. At least in my prediction roar was getting shots on goal Wu were dominating. WU was typical Aloisi mediocre football get a goal and close up shop. It was more of a case roar was that bad than WU being good.

I honestly think players are not being paid. It's all really fallen off in the last month. But zero ambition as a club and what we had is a decade ago. Manager change is pointless we need an ownership and culture change.
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I do not believe we are a basketcase so early.

We have to get Aldred, Hingert and Brown back with Neville so our backline has its experience and solidity. If we are playing 5 at the back then we add Trewin in, and drop Parsons to the bench. Steinmann or Daley as DM.

Ivanovic in the middle up front flanked by whoever we have that can create any sort of threat (Mileusnic and Parsons?) and Akbari in midfield with O'Shea further forward.

Steinmann/Daley and Akbari can provide the drive out of defence. O'Shea can convert that into opportunities up front, and Ivanovic is bloody dangerous when he is not the only player up there trying to get through.

They have proven that they can create with that line up in bits and pieces of games - no reason that playing them consistently won't produce for us.

Moon has to be the manager that I think he can be and get 'our best team' on the park - focussed/motivated.

As an aside I cannot see Lescano's value yet - his impact to date has been far more subtle than the clinical dominance we expected and require.

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How do you Roar fans rate young Milnaric? I find it remarkable he's starting at CB at 19 and pray this is maybe a future Socceroo.
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johnszasz - 12 Dec 2021 11:18 PM
How do you Roar fans rate young Milnaric? I find it remarkable he's starting at CB at 19 and pray this is maybe a future Socceroo.

Not a Roar fan but I've watched all their games and he's excellent. He's made a mistake here and there but he's solid defensively and very composed on the ball. Would be gobsmacked if he's never a Socceroo
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sportaddict - 12 Dec 2021 11:28 PM
johnszasz - 12 Dec 2021 11:18 PM

Not a Roar fan but I've watched all their games and he's excellent. He's made a mistake here and there but he's solid defensively and very composed on the ball. Would be gobsmacked if he's never a Socceroo

Thnx for insight. I don'T think he's been on any of your youth threads. Time for the next one? Just going to bump the 2021 version now.
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Considering we have the youngest CB pairing in the AL,our defence is not too bad.But  Mlinaric is on loan,so whats the point?Plug the Aldred hole and back up is gone next year.Aldred looks to be becoming a liability.Two years of injuries .
I dont know what the plan is for Roar.I thought it was build up a homegrown mentality.But that went out the window at the end of last season…DWH gone….Champness…gone…CP…gone……JY.  …..gone……In…Ivanovich and Mlinaric  from  SFC….both preferred over local talent…
I feel there is a problem this season…The players look flat….The lack of intensity is alarming.
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someguyjc - 12 Dec 2021 3:05 PM
Just watched the replay of yesterday's game and I hate to say it, but watching BR reminded me a lot of what it was like watching MV last season. You can't really single out one area of concern, the whole thing is just broken. Maybe they can remedy some issues in the Jan transfer window, but I reckon Moon probably needs to go sooner rather than later. 

Has Moon been given full financial backing? or does he have no contacts and is unable to attract good players. 
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