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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xProbably in terms of power rankings from all of those I wonder who would be first? Maybe Robertson or Watts? Arzani and McGree naturally are up there based on first team football. In terms of other talent you could add in the likes of Oliveira, Segecic, Lopane, Yull and Musa Toure. I wonder who else could be on the list? Who else could be added? Marlee Francois (younger bro of Tyrese) - supposedly impressing at Bristol City Aydin Hammond (younger bro of Tristan) - remember him playing quite well in u/16 joeys team Zak Gilsenan - scoring a lot for Blackburn u/18s and regularly playing for u/23s Isaac Danzo in Spain is only 20 People who were close but just missed out include Murray Miller, Zak Gilsenan, Oliver Kalac, Jaimie Cogman, Akiel Raffie, Anton Mlinaric, Lewis Miller, Charlie Miller, Luke Ivanovic, Moudi Najjar, Luis Lawrie Lattanzio, Jay Barnett, Jerry Skotadis, Anthony Lesiotis, Kai Trewin, Doni Grdic, Lachlan Sepping, Michael Ruhs, Isaac Danzo, Jacob Chapman So everyone going on about our development being shite shouldn't be so quick to criticise? With all of the u21 talent playing every week in the A League, moving up from the academy teams & all of the young kids OS, there's probably a hundred players who could make this list. Obviously not all will kick on, but it's looking pretty promising for the NT squads Its easy to look at it like that but the truth is the pathways and overall in developing players in the last 15 years is the reason why we haven't seen the talent from previous generations especially the 2006 team. The reality is the biggest bottleneck in youth development in Australian, has been a lack of opportunities through mainly not enough teams or not enough spots to start games and when they are not in first team football the youth leagues are not strong enough to create long and consistent football compared to our overseas counterparts in Europe and Asia. A 8 NYL season and a 22 NPL season is not enough football if they not at aleague level. So basically not enough opportunities and not enough games has been the biggest problems to put it short, also ive witnessed the lack of international exposure has been a problem more and more in the last few years. Some former coaches and players say we lack in football talent if anything but, in fact largely to the FFA NC implemented a decade we are starting to see fruits of that labour where a large breed of Aussie footballers who are technically more efficient and not relying on the speed and strength which Australian football has being known for, alot of these names reflect this. If it wasnt for Covid would we see these young players get the amount of game time we are seeing? Not sure but as they say any crisis presents opportunity this perfectly describes the current situation. We would not sadly. I would like to hope the AL now has proof of what kind of league it is. Which is a development league to give senior football to talented youngsters. We can pretend we will be the biggest in Asia, but the reality is for the next decade development should be priority. Personally I dont think you could force the clubs to become development clubs, after all its based on thier business model but it does make sense for Australian clubs to developer of talent as the markets overseas in Europe and Asia are quite tempting on a financial perspective. To me it all starts with the salary cap, and introduce the domestic transfer system and think we will see clubs business models change and it might encourage more player development. The salary cap brings in a safety net financially but it isnt sustainable for squad development, the foreign quota I think he been overdone and has allowed clubs to recruit in a lazy manner. Absolutely you cannot force clubs to become development clubs, however we need to accept that as a league we are a development league. So there may be a club like City who want to be up there with the biggest clubs in Asia, which is fine. But the league as a whole will still be a development league. Denying that in the short to medium term the league is anything different will just result in more stagnation imo. We basically at the moment are trying to be a big league in Asia but the owners dont want to spend money to facilitate this. We are sorting just waiting for it to happen. An example is, big name players. CSL, MLS and more recently J league every season continually make big name signing after big name signing. This has a flow on effect of more players being interested because of perceived prestige, which flows on to more media exposure, sponsorship doillars, etc. We have had Dwight Yorke then no massive signings for 7 years, then we had Heskey ADP, Ono then nothing for 4 years where we got cahill. Then 18 months later we get (albeit a good attempt) in Honda, but his profile was never big enough to carry it on his own. Developing talent (which this list shows their is plenty) and on selling is a better league model for fans and football. So unless clubs want to spend big every season this is a more realistic model
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Outstanding thread
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Someone who I may have overlooked wrongly is Thymos ‘Tim’ Caroutas who has been in first team squads consistently for Spanish third tier side UE Cornella, has made his pro debut and was on the bench this morning in the Copa Del Rey vs. Barcelona. Called up to a Joeys squad in mid 2019, he spent 14 months sidelined with injuries and missed out subsequently on the 2019 U17 World Cup. He’s a quick forward.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xProbably in terms of power rankings from all of those I wonder who would be first? Maybe Robertson or Watts? Arzani and McGree naturally are up there based on first team football. In terms of other talent you could add in the likes of Oliveira, Segecic, Lopane, Yull and Musa Toure. I wonder who else could be on the list? Who else could be added? Marlee Francois (younger bro of Tyrese) - supposedly impressing at Bristol City Aydin Hammond (younger bro of Tristan) - remember him playing quite well in u/16 joeys team Zak Gilsenan - scoring a lot for Blackburn u/18s and regularly playing for u/23s Isaac Danzo in Spain is only 20 People who were close but just missed out include Murray Miller, Zak Gilsenan, Oliver Kalac, Jaimie Cogman, Akiel Raffie, Anton Mlinaric, Lewis Miller, Charlie Miller, Luke Ivanovic, Moudi Najjar, Luis Lawrie Lattanzio, Jay Barnett, Jerry Skotadis, Anthony Lesiotis, Kai Trewin, Doni Grdic, Lachlan Sepping, Michael Ruhs, Isaac Danzo, Jacob Chapman So everyone going on about our development being shite shouldn't be so quick to criticise? With all of the u21 talent playing every week in the A League, moving up from the academy teams & all of the young kids OS, there's probably a hundred players who could make this list. Obviously not all will kick on, but it's looking pretty promising for the NT squads Its easy to look at it like that but the truth is the pathways and overall in developing players in the last 15 years is the reason why we haven't seen the talent from previous generations especially the 2006 team. The reality is the biggest bottleneck in youth development in Australian, has been a lack of opportunities through mainly not enough teams or not enough spots to start games and when they are not in first team football the youth leagues are not strong enough to create long and consistent football compared to our overseas counterparts in Europe and Asia. A 8 NYL season and a 22 NPL season is not enough football if they not at aleague level. So basically not enough opportunities and not enough games has been the biggest problems to put it short, also ive witnessed the lack of international exposure has been a problem more and more in the last few years. Some former coaches and players say we lack in football talent if anything but, in fact largely to the FFA NC implemented a decade we are starting to see fruits of that labour where a large breed of Aussie footballers who are technically more efficient and not relying on the speed and strength which Australian football has being known for, alot of these names reflect this. If it wasnt for Covid would we see these young players get the amount of game time we are seeing? Not sure but as they say any crisis presents opportunity this perfectly describes the current situation. We would not sadly. I would like to hope the AL now has proof of what kind of league it is. Which is a development league to give senior football to talented youngsters. We can pretend we will be the biggest in Asia, but the reality is for the next decade development should be priority. Personally I dont think you could force the clubs to become development clubs, after all its based on thier business model but it does make sense for Australian clubs to developer of talent as the markets overseas in Europe and Asia are quite tempting on a financial perspective. To me it all starts with the salary cap, and introduce the domestic transfer system and think we will see clubs business models change and it might encourage more player development. The salary cap brings in a safety net financially but it isnt sustainable for squad development, the foreign quota I think he been overdone and has allowed clubs to recruit in a lazy manner. Absolutely you cannot force clubs to become development clubs, however we need to accept that as a league we are a development league. So there may be a club like City who want to be up there with the biggest clubs in Asia, which is fine. But the league as a whole will still be a development league. Denying that in the short to medium term the league is anything different will just result in more stagnation imo. We basically at the moment are trying to be a big league in Asia but the owners dont want to spend money to facilitate this. We are sorting just waiting for it to happen. An example is, big name players. CSL, MLS and more recently J league every season continually make big name signing after big name signing. This has a flow on effect of more players being interested because of perceived prestige, which flows on to more media exposure, sponsorship doillars, etc. We have had Dwight Yorke then no massive signings for 7 years, then we had Heskey ADP, Ono then nothing for 4 years where we got cahill. Then 18 months later we get (albeit a good attempt) in Honda, but his profile was never big enough to carry it on his own. Developing talent (which this list shows their is plenty) and on selling is a better league model for fans and football. So unless clubs want to spend big every season this is a more realistic model Let see how quick the domestic transfer system gets implemented and how much the clubs embrace it. Marquee players are not bad but as long they make an impact, I do think there is a place for both if the clubs invest.
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+x+xGreat effort putting this together mate. One question, have you ranked these in order? If so, Tyrese Francois can't be that far down the order - he's debuted for a Premier League team in a cup game already, plus Peupion's got to be up higher than that - he's carving up the u18 prem comp & I think he may have captained the Brighton team as well? Yes, they are in order. The reasons Francois and Peupion are so low: - Yes, Peupion is carving up the U18 comp, but he’s 18 turning 19 largely playing against 15,16 and 17 year olds. If he was carving up the U23s that would be one thing, but at the moment he’s having age group success against mostly players who are 2 years younger than him. I would like to see him play against older players or men before judging him as more talented than players who are playing senior or reserves football. - Francois is talented, but he’s turning 21 and he’s played 29 minutes of senior men’s football in his life. Yes, he’s at a Premier League club, and it’s very impressive to be on the verge of a Premier League squad, but at that age he needs regular men’s football to prove his talent rather than performing at U23s level. A loan could do a lot to prove his talent but unfortunately he seems to be plagued by injuries which have halted his development. Peupion scores again for Brighton. That's 7 goals & 1 assist (maybe 1 or 2 today?) from 11 games & at least one of those games he played Right Back, but mostly CAM.
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Big weekend of news for many of these. Armiento doesn't appear to be on the list.
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+xBig weekend of news for many of these. Armiento doesn't appear to be on the list. Armiento was born in 1999 - he is too old for this list.
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@sportaddict, before I fully absorb the list I just want to say thank you, great post.
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I am personally hoping Niewenhof, Dukuly and the Toure brothers really do well. I also like that we seem to have some skilful bigger lads. I can’t wait until we unearth another Viduka, someone with skill to match size and power!
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+x@sportaddict, before I fully absorb the list I just want to say thank you, great post. +xI am personally hoping Niewenhof, Dukuly and the Toure brothers really do well. I also like that we seem to have some skilful bigger lads. I can’t wait until we unearth another Viduka, someone with skill to match size and power! Thanks mate, I really enjoy doing this and it’s really gratifying to see others enjoying it and finding it interesting.
I think Mo Toure is a unique talent in Australian terms somewhat similarly to Viduka. He’s big, strong, fast and skilful for a 16 year old. That’s something we don’t see often in Aus football and is therefore particularly valuable.
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Patrick Wood, you can add another to the list of youngsters doing well this season, scoring he’s first 2 goals in this level tonight.
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Very worrying. Tristan Hammond is a really outstanding prospect. Australia should be doing absolutely everything to keep him. He, Ryan Teague and Caleb Watts were imo our best players at the U17 WC.
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+xPatrick Wood, you can add another to the list of youngsters doing well this season, scoring he’s first 2 goals in this level tonight. Yep, that’s exactly why I had him on the list. He was outstanding in NPL, every goal he scored was different which says a lot about his ability. For a pacy striker he has a lot more than pace to his game which is impressive and he makes smart runs and understands the game. Good player.
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+x+xPatrick Wood, you can add another to the list of youngsters doing well this season, scoring he’s first 2 goals in this level tonight. Yep, that’s exactly why I had him on the list. He was outstanding in NPL, every goal he scored was different which says a lot about his ability. For a pacy striker he has a lot more than pace to his game which is impressive and he makes smart runs and understands the game. Good player. Just concerned that with Bobo back he might not get that game time again, I can see Corica continue to persist with Buhagiar or Kosta B up front when Wood has come in and made an impact and he's only 18 too. Its good to see Sydney FC finally start to use their academy more often now, even though they have left go of some good talent to other clubs here and overseas in recent times.
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Just stumbled across this (better late than never). Fantastic post mate, lots to be excited about!!
Lack of football unfortunately has impacted a lot of our younger players, particularly in Portugal, Spain and Germany. Guys like the Hammond brothers, Rafael Rech and Cooper Skerry haven't seen much game time in over a year.
Would love your take on a few players that have been making an impact but don't seem to have been mentioned much here. Antonis Martis, who did well enough at youth levels in Denmark to get a loan to Macarthur and now seems to be going alright against "men". Alberto del Grosso who has played with Australian youth teams, did well at youth level in Italy and is now floating between 3rd and 4th tiers playing senior football. Liam Chipperfield, who may be a long shot to represent Australia, but at the age of 16, has now signed a pro contract based on his impact at youth levels for Basel. Caroutas, you mentioned, has been in Spain for several years but making a break through now along with a few other Aussies in Spain like Danzo and Mesourouni. Zak Gilsenan is only 17 but he is up with the U23's at Blackburn, also having a break out season.
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Aquilina and Pierias coming along very nicely
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+xAquilina and Pierias coming along very nicely Agreed. Antonis Martis has also impressed me a lot. Kai Trewin too. He’s been absolutely outstanding. Him and Natta are long term Socceroos centre backs.
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Gauci isn't even on this list but is clearly the best U21 goalkeeper we have.
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+xGauci isn't even on this list but is clearly the best U21 goalkeeper we have. He should be on this list. Just very hard to assess a player who’d never played in the A-League or for Aussie youth teams. Pavlesic is a better talent imo, though he needs game time to reach his potential just like Gauci and Delianov have been getting
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Adrian Segecic (2004), who I considered for my list but excluded him on grounds of lack of high-level football, has excelled this season for Sydney FC's NPL1 1st grade side, and is now training with the A-League side. Big hopes for him.
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Year nearly over and such a spread of achievements and players missing the mark this year. Fairly standard.
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+xYear nearly over and such a spread of achievements and players missing the mark this year. Fairly standard. Now's the time where I start preparing next year's list! Longlist already collated.
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Ill say it again, the kids who played some NPL before they went overseas are in a much better position than a-league academy boys.
Hosine Bility - sat on bench few times at 20 years old in europa league this season. Clearly has a future with a contract til 2024 with midjytland Alexander Robertson - although not playing regularly atm, hes training and working with a mens team now every day at 19. Ryan Teague - Established first team player at 19 in Portuguese 2nd division with 10 starts this season. Alou Kuol - Killing it in Stuttgart 2nd team 18 games and 7 goals. Has been training with the first team on the regular.
All played at least a season in NPL and it made them better for it - playing against men week in week out.
Playing NPL as a 16-17 year old is much better for your development than an aleague academy - prove me wrong.
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+xPlaying NPL as a 16-17 year old is much better for your development than an aleague academy - prove me wrong. Not disagreeing with you, but don't the A-League academies play NPL?
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+x+xPlaying NPL as a 16-17 year old is much better for your development than an aleague academy - prove me wrong. Not disagreeing with you, but don't the A-League academies play NPL? Yes but playing and training with men is different to playing and training with your mates/guys same age.
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+xIll say it again, the kids who played some NPL before they went overseas are in a much better position than a-league academy boys. Hosine Bility - sat on bench few times at 20 years old in europa league this season. Clearly has a future with a contract til 2024 with midjytland Alexander Robertson - although not playing regularly atm, hes training and working with a mens team now every day at 19. Ryan Teague - Established first team player at 19 in Portuguese 2nd division with 10 starts this season. Alou Kuol - Killing it in Stuttgart 2nd team 18 games and 7 goals. Has been training with the first team on the regular. All played at least a season in NPL and it made them better for it - playing against men week in week out. Playing NPL as a 16-17 year old is much better for your development than an aleague academy - prove me wrong. Teague was at Sydney from age 13.
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+x+x+xPlaying NPL as a 16-17 year old is much better for your development than an aleague academy - prove me wrong. Not disagreeing with you, but don't the A-League academies play NPL? Yes but playing and training with men is different to playing and training with your mates/guys same age. The best ALM club academy players are playing against men in the open age teams in the NPL competitions during winter. They also often train with the ALM squad and some even are named in the ALM match day squad and get subbed on during the ALM season. Their development could be improved if the ALM started a 2nd grade competition during summer for all the ALM clubs.
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+x+xYear nearly over and such a spread of achievements and players missing the mark this year. Fairly standard. Now's the time where I start preparing next year's list! Longlist already collated. Look forward to it mate. Thanks for going to the effort
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