how can you accuse me of being the same person who I've systematically taken apart with authoritative facts?

We're not. It's just what Rusty and Enzo think we are.

Hey cockhead I already posted this 3 or so pages back. Maybe this time you should try and read it. If anything according to your stats nowhere near enough people are dying. Maybe the vaccines are acting like a prophylactic? 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-sport/fact-check-no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-are-linked-to-athletes-collapsing-or-dying-from-myocarditis-idUSL1N2SK160

CRY also pointed Reuters toward data published in 2008, which showed 12 ‘apparently fit and healthy’ young people (aged 35 and under) die in the United Kingdom every week from previously undiagnosed heart conditions.

Member since 2008.

I don't think you and JS are the same person. I already said who I suspect.

What happened to 'roosty'?

who?

It's tonic for the soul to see the Lefties fighting among themselves trying to figure out which character is duplicating himself as John Smith. Why do you even suspect I'm a doppelgänger? Surely my comments have a signature of uniqueness about them?

Whilst I'm at it, here's something that'll cause your collective heads to explode:

TGA refused to acknowledge strokes are a side effect of the vaccines.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/melbourne-mechanic-suffers-stroke-two-days-after-pfizer-vaccine-doctors-say-cause-unknown/news-story/9832c32659dce2118dccfb7d68f8ebbd

That's because the TGA only follows Pfizer's product sheet, which does not list strokes.

https://www.tga.gov.au/sites/default/files/cmi-comirnaty-bnt162b2-mrna.pdf

But, as we’ve discussed, the document that Pfizer and FDA were forced to reveal under Freedom of Information lists stroke as a side effect. And it’s not just the type that TGA can wave their hands and say “not because of the vaccine”. That’s because Pfizer’s own document -- under "strokes" -- at bottom of page 23 states: “Number of cases [of strokes]: 275 (0.6% of the total PM dataset), of which 180 medically confirmed”.

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

So if Pfizer’s sheet says no strokes, but Pfizer’s confidential document admits to 0.6% of side effects being strokes, most of which were medically confirmed. And TGA follows the information sheet. Which do you (blindly) follow?

What if your GP follows the TGA, and TGA follows the Pfizer Information Sheet, which contradicts the confidential Freedom of Information document? Do you still follow your G.P. in the light of this new evidence?

Have you seen the Matrix? What if all of you lot are just one troll masquerading under multiple accounts, one person having a go at me? That'll get you thinking. Especially since the word "you" can be singular or plural.

May I offer my assistance in locating the troll. I haven't taken time to do this, but go back through the thread, and find the first person who accused me of being a troll. That person is the troll. You see, trolls will always accuse someone else of being a troll. When the forum is filled with followers, they are ripe for a person to suggest there's a troll. That sends the pack into hysterics. So the tried and trusted method is to find the person who seeded the idea. I trust I have been of assistance to you.

Not really. You basically just copy/paste stuff from anti-vax pages which you clearly don't bother reading beforehand, which leads to your arguments being debunked over and over again.

You're not cesspit though.  My guess is its AJF.

Stephanie Gard: 3rd Equestrian Australian Athlete Severely Injured After Receiving Pfizer C0VID Vax

Stephanie was paralyzed from the knees down and became unable to walk just days after the Pfizer shot. Additionally, she was also diagnosed with pericarditis (inflammation of the heart).

The young Australian remains in hospital, undergoing therapy to help her walk and function normally again.

Stephanie is the third equestrian athlete to suffer serious effects from the jab, coming after 19-year-old Australian equestrian Cienna Knowles and 23-year-old English showjumper Imogen Allen, who both developed blood clots shortly after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.australiannationalreview.com/covid-19-deaths-and-injuries/stephanie-gard-3rd-equestrian-athlete-severely-injured-after-receiving-pfizer-c0vid-vaxx/

Third Australian equestrian athlete, yet a few sentences later says one is English.

Making stuff up yet again John Smith?

also not a sportsman

are we widening the scope of the thread now because these events are so rare?

“Another One … Manchester United Player Stops Play, Leaves Game Early with Reported Chest Pains. Manchester United player Victor Lindelof left the pitch early today with breathing difficulties during Saturday’s 1-0 win over Norwich. Lindelof is the latest of dozens of European athletes in peak form who have suffered chest pains or cardiac arrests this year after receiving the controversial COVID vaccines.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/another-one-manchester-united-player-stops-play-leaves-game-early-reported-chest-pains/

"Why are so many footballers being taken off with chest problems lately? There needs to be an investigation into this ASAP. Hope @vlindelof is okay. #MUFC #Lindelof @Cristiano“

https://twitter.com/NiallAlbert/status/1469770253563531266

https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/lindelof-forced-off-for-man-utd-during-norwich-clash/blt99119026eb80e097

https://noqreport.com/2021/12/11/coverup-twitter-removed-videos-showing-victor-lindelof-stopping-game-over-chest-pains/

Just going to keep posting this again and again and again.

CRY also pointed Reuters toward data published in 2008, which showed 12 ‘apparently fit and healthy’ young people (aged 35 and under) die in the United Kingdom every week from previously undiagnosed heart conditions.

Member since 2008.

Man U staff and players have tested positive for COVID following the Norwich game but I guess that won't fit into John Smith's narrative. 

I'm going to say something you need to understand:

Just because you say it was an undiagnosed condition, does not sweep it aside. In fact, it fits directly with what doctors such as Dr. Peter McCullough are saying, that these vaccines trigger existing conditions !!!!!

The fact is, everyone has flaws in their genetic disposition. It's just that it can be many years from now before it shows up. And under ideal conditions of taking care of yourself, those genetic flaws might either take longer to emerge, or might be kept at bay. Hence, an undiagnosed condition might show up in your 60's 70's or 80's.

What Dr McCullough is saying is that the vaccines trigger pre-existing conditions, even the ones you aren't aware of.

I hope you grasp that. You might disagree, but at least you need to be aware there are qualified medical professors at univerisities who are stating these views.

It is ignorance for you to think that just because it is a pre-existing condition, then the vaccine is not to blame.

I'll say it again: the vaccines trigger pre-existing and undiagnosed conditions.

CRY also pointed Reuters toward data published in 2008, which showed 12 ‘apparently fit and healthy’ young people (aged 35 and under) die in the United Kingdom every week from previously undiagnosed heart conditions.

What did you blame these deaths on before Covid vaccines?

Member since 2008.

flouride

A 2.3% chance of developing myocarditis from the virus itself for young athletes:

For this study, Jeudy's team took advantage of the Big Ten Athletic Conference's ability to get data on the frequency of myocarditis in student athletes recovering from COVID-19.The conference required all athletes who had COVID to get a series of heart tests before returning to play. Tests included cardiac MRIs, echocardiograms, ECGs and blood tests. Jeudy reviewed the results of nearly 1,600 cardiac MRIs from 13 participating universities. Thirty-seven of these athletes (2.3%) had myocarditis related to COVID-19. What was surprising, however, was that few had symptoms.Twenty of these patients with COVID-19 myocarditis (54%) had no cardiac symptoms or heart abnormalities seen on other tests. Only MRIs found the problem.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-11-29/covid-may-trigger-heart-condition-in-young-athletes

And John smith has the audacity to call others ignorant. 

why is this thread still open?

its just one poster copying and pasting misinformation from conspiracy sites

Apart from when I put quotation marks around something, I write my own posts.

Aside from vocal participants, there would be a portion of society that is genuinely concerned about the welfare of our people in the face of reports of vaccine damage. Many people, who have taken the vaccine, have done so under duress on threat of job loss.

Since this is a sports and football related forum, it would be of interest to hear stories of people suffering problems during a season of mass vaccination, and together there can be reasoned debate as to whether there is, or is not, some link to the vaccines.

It is rare to find a forum where, even on a topic that draws deep emotional reactions, nevertheless we uphold the Aussie spirit of freedom of expression, based on reasons and evidence.

You can argue strenuously that there is no connection between the sports people dropping like flies, and the vaccines - but there certainly are a lot of such stories these days. It is beneficial for people to have a forum to discuss these, rather than engage in the censorship so prevalent.

Yup. Lindelof doesn't have COVID. Apparently it was Matic and/or Mata. One of them had a cold leading up to the Norwich game. Ralf also reporting Lindelof is okay.

Clearly the original COVID vaccine back in 2008 when it was in testing mode for 5G. The COVID vaccine is now rebadged. /s

Lead Author for a journal study into cardiac instances in football pre-covid weighs in on this alleged "surge".  Unfortunately the article is behind a paywall.

https://twitter.com/kenearlys/status/1470347845958094851?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1470347845958094851%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

Egg on face again John Smith.  Deary me.

You realise only about four people post on this forum- why are you bothering?

It find that debate helps me understand how the other side thinks.

I find that the people (can't assume they are all male, some might be female even if their avatar such as sydneyfc1987 has a male picture) on this forum are particularly hardened in their opposition, so I find it useful to see the reasons they give.

Even when I cop their abuse, I am focused more on the search for truth, so I actually welcome their input.

Indeed, some of their criticisms against me were valid, and they comments helped me refine my ideas.

:laugh::hehe::laugh:

Because you're talking to yourself. It's been done on this forum before. 

that isn't evidence

Nope. Not once,.

People like you are the reason. The levels of cognitive dissonance you exhibit are like nothing I have ever witnessed before on this forum.  

And macktheknife used to be on this forum. Just let that sink in.

"French Professional Soccer Player Leaves Game Early with Reported Chest Pain – Third Top Player to Experience Severe Chest Pain This Weekend (VIDEO)"

"French professional footballer Martin Terrier, who plays as second striker for Ligue 1 club Rennes, left the pitch on Sunday during the match against Nice after experiencing chest pain."

"Martin Terrier, 24, was escorted out in the 30th minute of the game after feeling chest pain and having a hard time breathing."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/french-professional-soccer-player-leaves-game-early-reported-chest-pain-third-top-player-experience-severe-chest-pain-weekend/

JAPAN

I appeal to you to realise, in this debate, there are two camps of opinion from doctors. So just because you hold one opinion, it doesn't mean people who hold the opposite opinion are idiots.

In Australia, people who are in favour of the jabs have the force of being on the side of the government. But over in Japan, they take a more balanced view.

1. "Japan adds heart inflammation warning to COVID vaccine labels"

"Authorities in Japan have approved a plan to print a list of “serious side effects,” including myocarditis, on COVID-19 vaccine labels."

"The decision was made earlier this month by a panel of experts from the Japanese health ministry and will apply to labels of the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines."

"The Japanese health ministry also requires hospitals to carry out a detailed and strict reporting of any adverse events within 28 days following vaccination."

"Concerns have been raised in Japan about the risks of myocarditis in young men following injection with the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines, and experts there have warned that the vaccines pose a 7 times higher risk of death than the virus itself for people in their 20s."

"Japan has also been more transparent about the content of the so-called vaccines than has been typical in other countries [like Australia] so far. Instructions on vaccination with Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna products published on the health ministry’s website include a warning that these products “contain an additive that has never been used in a vaccine before.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/japan-approves-warning-labels-on-covid-vaccines/

We can see that, in those countries that are less transparent, the people think there is no sane alternative to the official narrative, so that refusal to see the other side gives a certain segment of the population a brute-force mentality in the way the respond the minority of people holding the other opinion.