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+xNovak...go directly to fekk off....do not pass go do not collect 5 million doillars.. Lol. Nice one Steve. I agree. Theres nothing more satisfying than after a long flight to AUS, that smug look on his face will dissapeae when told he was on the next flight back out of here. Well done border security and immigration.
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+xI'll add that hotel quantine was always a joke, fine as a short term measure. 1. Overseas arrivals should be in purpose built quantine facilities, like the cabins they have in caravan parks. 2. Locals should have had the option to quantine at home, subject to random checks, a hefty fine and possible jail time for any breach. 3. Masks should have been sourced earlier and mask requirements should be in place more often. 4. Vaccines should have been sourced earlier. 5. Rapid tests should have been sourced earlier. 6. People shouldn't be queuing for hours to get a test. Build a website where they can book at test slot, use rapid tests or add more testing capacity. Mate you are not understanding the demographic in fairfield. Some people just cannot accept to be told to do things. Other than your #1 and #6 , the rest had no chance working any more than what the government did. AND you had the benefit of hindsight......
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+x+xNovak...go directly to fekk off....do not pass go do not collect 5 million doillars.. Well done border security and immigration. I bet they let a few people in over the next 24 months which will cause the community more grief than an unvaxxed tennis player...
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+xThe Serbian President has apparently been watching too many Superman reruns "In line with all norms of international law, Serbia will fight for Novak, truth and justice," he wrote. Don't worry, the Croatians will be on our side.
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+x+xI'll add that hotel quantine was always a joke, fine as a short term measure. 1. Overseas arrivals should be in purpose built quantine facilities, like the cabins they have in caravan parks. 2. Locals should have had the option to quantine at home, subject to random checks, a hefty fine and possible jail time for any breach. 3. Masks should have been sourced earlier and mask requirements should be in place more often. 4. Vaccines should have been sourced earlier. 5. Rapid tests should have been sourced earlier. 6. People shouldn't be queuing for hours to get a test. Build a website where they can book at test slot, use rapid tests or add more testing capacity. Mate you are not understanding the demographic in fairfield. Some people just cannot accept to be told to do things. Other than your #1 and #6 , the rest had no chance working any more than what the government did. AND you had the benefit of hindsight...... Regardless, we need the right equipment at the right time, and the right rules. All that takes is planning, and commonsense. Becuase some will follow the rules, and apply commonsense.
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+x+x+xI'll add that hotel quantine was always a joke, fine as a short term measure. 1. Overseas arrivals should be in purpose built quantine facilities, like the cabins they have in caravan parks. 2. Locals should have had the option to quantine at home, subject to random checks, a hefty fine and possible jail time for any breach. 3. Masks should have been sourced earlier and mask requirements should be in place more often. 4. Vaccines should have been sourced earlier. 5. Rapid tests should have been sourced earlier. 6. People shouldn't be queuing for hours to get a test. Build a website where they can book at test slot, use rapid tests or add more testing capacity. Mate you are not understanding the demographic in fairfield. Some people just cannot accept to be told to do things. Other than your #1 and #6 , the rest had no chance working any more than what the government did. AND you had the benefit of hindsight...... Regardless, we need the right equipment at the right time, and the right rules. All that takes is planning, and commonsense. Becuase some will follow the rules, and apply commonsense. Find the right equipment here... Be quick though... Stocks are running low... https://shop.conni.com.au/pull-ups
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who refuses to be vaccinated and/or promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. And what if the vaccine that they refuse to accept is experimental, unproven and not a vaccine in an orthodox fashion. It's 2022 mate,if you're not all in, you're all out... If you're not for it, you're against it... dman, I am definately not for it.
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+x+x+xI'll add that hotel quantine was always a joke, fine as a short term measure. 1. Overseas arrivals should be in purpose built quantine facilities, like the cabins they have in caravan parks. 2. Locals should have had the option to quantine at home, subject to random checks, a hefty fine and possible jail time for any breach. 3. Masks should have been sourced earlier and mask requirements should be in place more often. 4. Vaccines should have been sourced earlier. 5. Rapid tests should have been sourced earlier. 6. People shouldn't be queuing for hours to get a test. Build a website where they can book at test slot, use rapid tests or add more testing capacity. Mate you are not understanding the demographic in fairfield. Some people just cannot accept to be told to do things. Other than your #1 and #6 , the rest had no chance working any more than what the government did. AND you had the benefit of hindsight...... Regardless, we need the right equipment at the right time, and the right rules. All that takes is planning, and commonsense. Becuase some will follow the rules, and apply commonsense. hd, the rules are made to benefit those that make the rules, nothing more.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who refuses to be vaccinated and/or promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. And what if the vaccine that they refuse to accept is experimental, unproven and not a vaccine in an orthodox fashion. What is the evidence for this assertion? The vaccines have had clinical trials, 100 of millions of people worldwide have had them. Many lifesaving medical treatments are more experimental. The rules exist becuase the issue is similar to smoking, speeding or drunk driving, the unvaccinated increase their chances of dying, but also the risk of others dying if they increase the spread of the disease, the emergence of new variants or if they overwhelm the hospital system. When the hospitals are overwhelmed, people can die from totally unrelated issues. If refusing vaccination is a moral issue, then morally the unvaccinated should volunteer to pay for their own medical bills for covid treatment. Because the best chance of people not dying due to the hospitals being overwhelmed is for everyone to be vaccinated,
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who refuses to be vaccinated and/or promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. And what if the vaccine that they refuse to accept is experimental, unproven and not a vaccine in an orthodox fashion. What is the evidence for this assertion? The vaccines have had clinical trials, 100 of millions of people worldwide have had them. Many lifesaving medical treatments are more experimental. The rules exist becuase the issue is similar to smoking, speeding or drunk driving, the unvaccinated increase their chances of dying, but also the risk of others dying if they increase the spread of the disease, the emergence of new variants or if they overwhelm the hospital system. When the hospitals are overwhelmed, people can die from totally unrelated issues. If refusing vaccination is a moral issue, then morally the unvaccinated should volunteer to pay for their own medical bills for covid treatment. Because the best chance of people not dying due to the hospitals being overwhelmed is for everyone to be vaccinated, That's no problem to pay for my own medical bills but I am also forced to pay double medicare to cover all those that refuse to work. What about people who choose to drive while intoxicated, or without a licence. What about alcoholics or smokers or people addicted to drugs who all by the way will require hospital treatment if something goes wrong. Your opening a very big can of worms with your statement.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who refuses to be vaccinated and/or promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. And what if the vaccine that they refuse to accept is experimental, unproven and not a vaccine in an orthodox fashion. What is the evidence for this assertion? The vaccines have had clinical trials, 100 of millions of people worldwide have had them. Many lifesaving medical treatments are more experimental. The rules exist becuase the issue is similar to smoking, speeding or drunk driving, the unvaccinated increase their chances of dying, but also the risk of others dying if they increase the spread of the disease, the emergence of new variants or if they overwhelm the hospital system. When the hospitals are overwhelmed, people can die from totally unrelated issues. If refusing vaccination is a moral issue, then morally the unvaccinated should volunteer to pay for their own medical bills for covid treatment. Because the best chance of people not dying due to the hospitals being overwhelmed is for everyone to be vaccinated, That's no problem to pay for my own medical bills but I am also forced to pay double medicare to cover all those that refuse to work. What about people who choose to drive while intoxicated, or without a licence. What about alcoholics or smokers or people addicted to drugs who all by the way will require hospital treatment if something goes wrong. Your opening a very big can of worms with your statement. Can we make a deal re who's (unvaxxed) tax dollars go where???... I'll pay my own C19 bill if I don't have to pay for obese people's healthcare... I reckon I'm in for a sizeable rebate... Oh and I don't think I should be paying for people that can't have babies to have babies... Plus coffee drinkers Medi bills... I hate those twitchy pricks...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who refuses to be vaccinated and/or promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. And what if the vaccine that they refuse to accept is experimental, unproven and not a vaccine in an orthodox fashion. What is the evidence for this assertion? The vaccines have had clinical trials, 100 of millions of people worldwide have had them. Many lifesaving medical treatments are more experimental. The rules exist becuase the issue is similar to smoking, speeding or drunk driving, the unvaccinated increase their chances of dying, but also the risk of others dying if they increase the spread of the disease, the emergence of new variants or if they overwhelm the hospital system. When the hospitals are overwhelmed, people can die from totally unrelated issues. If refusing vaccination is a moral issue, then morally the unvaccinated should volunteer to pay for their own medical bills for covid treatment. Because the best chance of people not dying due to the hospitals being overwhelmed is for everyone to be vaccinated, That's no problem to pay for my own medical bills but I am also forced to pay double medicare to cover all those that refuse to work. What about people who choose to drive while intoxicated, or without a licence. What about alcoholics or smokers or people addicted to drugs who all by the way will require hospital treatment if something goes wrong. Your opening a very big can of worms with your statement. The reason I mention it is Singapore has that policy, the unvaccinated must pay their Covid medical bills. Maybe Singapore treats smokers the same way. With addiction in some ways the addict finds it hard kick the habbit. My point is that choosing to be unvaccinated costs money and lives. People are not thinking in a logical evidence-based manner. The closest parallel is drink driving. I also see swimming at closed beaches as similar, lifesavers often risk their lives to save idiots who do that. At a certain point, if you take the risk, you own the risk, and all of the consequences, especially when the risk was easy to aviod and you got good advice beforehand.
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+x+x+xNovak...go directly to fekk off....do not pass go do not collect 5 million doillars.. Well done border security and immigration. I bet they let a few people in over the next 24 months which will cause the community more grief than an unvaxxed tennis player... Not discounting it. But this guy has been freely advertising his anti-vax beliefs and to let him in would be a worse motive for riots than any of the lockdowns. Its the principal of the thing.
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Fellow BDPers, i tested positive to covid in a second RAT test this morning and we had to cut our holiday up in kingscliff short and returned home.
Kids are dissapointed as we were supppse to go to QLD tomorrow but what can you do....
I heard on radio that the Djoker was appealing the visa rejection and it was adjourned twice already. Ill be pissed off if it gets overturned. It wouldnt surprise me tho.
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+xFellow BDPers, i tested positive to covid in a second RAT test this morning and we had to cut our holiday up in kingscliff short and returned home. Kids are dissapointed as we were supppse to go to QLD tomorrow but what can you do.... I heard on radio that the Djoker was appealing the visa rejection and it was adjourned twice already. Ill be pissed off if it gets overturned. It wouldnt surprise me tho. Shame about the holiday, am sure you'll have a speedy recovery...
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+x+xFellow BDPers, i tested positive to covid in a second RAT test this morning and we had to cut our holiday up in kingscliff short and returned home. Kids are dissapointed as we were supppse to go to QLD tomorrow but what can you do.... I heard on radio that the Djoker was appealing the visa rejection and it was adjourned twice already. Ill be pissed off if it gets overturned. It wouldnt surprise me tho. Shame about the holiday, am sure you'll have a speedy recovery... Hope i do. I admit, i thought the vaccine would keep my symptoms to a much lower level. I guess it means i would otherwise be one of the hospitalised ones. Either that or i was jabbed with expired pfizer or my vaccine is not very useful against the covid i got. Ill keep you posted on my progress.
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+xFellow BDPers, i tested positive to covid in a second RAT test this morning and we had to cut our holiday up in kingscliff short and returned home. Kids are dissapointed as we were supppse to go to QLD tomorrow but what can you do.... I heard on radio that the Djoker was appealing the visa rejection and it was adjourned twice already. Ill be pissed off if it gets overturned. It wouldnt surprise me tho. Hopefully is is Omicron. Why I get pissed off about the covid thing is IMO politicians and the general public are getting a lot wrong. It is too early to take liberties. Most likely is is Omicron and the majority of cases are mild. Trust the professional advice.
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+x+x+xFellow BDPers, i tested positive to covid in a second RAT test this morning and we had to cut our holiday up in kingscliff short and returned home. Kids are dissapointed as we were supppse to go to QLD tomorrow but what can you do.... I heard on radio that the Djoker was appealing the visa rejection and it was adjourned twice already. Ill be pissed off if it gets overturned. It wouldnt surprise me tho. Shame about the holiday, am sure you'll have a speedy recovery... Hope i do. I admit, i thought the vaccine would keep my symptoms to a much lower level. I guess it means i would otherwise be one of the hospitalised ones. Either that or i was jabbed with expired pfizer or my vaccine is not very useful against the covid i got. Ill keep you posted on my progress. More likely to be Omicron. I'll be checking in for a booster as soon as I finish most of the work around the house. I am in QLD and spending most of the holiday finishing off some work. My regular job is sitting in front of a computer, I like getting some exercise. A lot of rain up here and a cylone has closed most beaches. Go into the surf at my local beach, good chance you won't come out. This is the worst December / early Jan in 10 years, weather wise. So the chances of you getting good weather in QLD were not high.
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+x+x+x+xFellow BDPers, i tested positive to covid in a second RAT test this morning and we had to cut our holiday up in kingscliff short and returned home. Kids are dissapointed as we were supppse to go to QLD tomorrow but what can you do.... I heard on radio that the Djoker was appealing the visa rejection and it was adjourned twice already. Ill be pissed off if it gets overturned. It wouldnt surprise me tho. Shame about the holiday, am sure you'll have a speedy recovery... Hope i do. I admit, i thought the vaccine would keep my symptoms to a much lower level. I guess it means i would otherwise be one of the hospitalised ones. Either that or i was jabbed with expired pfizer or my vaccine is not very useful against the covid i got. Ill keep you posted on my progress. More likely to be Omicron. I'll be checking in for a booster as soon as I finish most of the work around the house. I am in QLD and spending most of the holiday finishing off some work. My regular job is sitting in front of a computer, I like getting some exercise. A lot of rain up here and a cylone has closed most beaches. Go into the surf at my local beach, good chance you won't come out. This is the worst December / early Jan in 10 years, weather wise. So the chances of you getting good weather in QLD were not high. Kids prefer pool anyway and we had scored a booking at the new Dorsett hotel at Star precint on gold coast. Its dissapointing for them as they endured the crap lockdown, disruption with schools, sports etc and we kept telling them they had the holiday to look forward to and now this. First world problems i suppose....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who refuses to be vaccinated and/or promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. And what if the vaccine that they refuse to accept is experimental, unproven and not a vaccine in an orthodox fashion. What is the evidence for this assertion? The vaccines have had clinical trials, 100 of millions of people worldwide have had them. Many lifesaving medical treatments are more experimental. The rules exist becuase the issue is similar to smoking, speeding or drunk driving, the unvaccinated increase their chances of dying, but also the risk of others dying if they increase the spread of the disease, the emergence of new variants or if they overwhelm the hospital system. When the hospitals are overwhelmed, people can die from totally unrelated issues. If refusing vaccination is a moral issue, then morally the unvaccinated should volunteer to pay for their own medical bills for covid treatment. Because the best chance of people not dying due to the hospitals being overwhelmed is for everyone to be vaccinated, That's no problem to pay for my own medical bills but I am also forced to pay double medicare to cover all those that refuse to work. What about people who choose to drive while intoxicated, or without a licence. What about alcoholics or smokers or people addicted to drugs who all by the way will require hospital treatment if something goes wrong. Your opening a very big can of worms with your statement. My point is that choosing to be unvaccinated costs money and lives. People are not thinking in a logical evidence-based manner. hd, I cannot understand where you get the idea that being unvaccinated costs money and lives. The only people that that can attend venues or travel are vaccinated and they are the ones spreading the disease. As far as not thinking in a logical evidence based manner, I personally know two cases where the person has died within 24 hours of recieving their first shot. That alone is enough to scare the fvck out of you and make you rethink your options, especially when the disease has a 99.997% recovery rate.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who refuses to be vaccinated and/or promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. And what if the vaccine that they refuse to accept is experimental, unproven and not a vaccine in an orthodox fashion. What is the evidence for this assertion? The vaccines have had clinical trials, 100 of millions of people worldwide have had them. Many lifesaving medical treatments are more experimental. The rules exist becuase the issue is similar to smoking, speeding or drunk driving, the unvaccinated increase their chances of dying, but also the risk of others dying if they increase the spread of the disease, the emergence of new variants or if they overwhelm the hospital system. When the hospitals are overwhelmed, people can die from totally unrelated issues. If refusing vaccination is a moral issue, then morally the unvaccinated should volunteer to pay for their own medical bills for covid treatment. Because the best chance of people not dying due to the hospitals being overwhelmed is for everyone to be vaccinated, That's no problem to pay for my own medical bills but I am also forced to pay double medicare to cover all those that refuse to work. What about people who choose to drive while intoxicated, or without a licence. What about alcoholics or smokers or people addicted to drugs who all by the way will require hospital treatment if something goes wrong. Your opening a very big can of worms with your statement. My point is that choosing to be unvaccinated costs money and lives. People are not thinking in a logical evidence-based manner. hd, I cannot understand where you get the idea that being unvaccinated costs money and lives. The only people that that can attend venues or travel are vaccinated and they are the ones spreading the disease. As far as not thinking in a logical evidence based manner, I personally know two cases where the person has died within 24 hours of recieving their first shot. That alone is enough to scare the fvck out of you and make you rethink your options, especially when the disease has a 99.997% recovery rate. ODF All the stats are public, we know how many people die from covid each day. We know the number of people in ICU. Cases where someone dies from getting vaccinated are comparatively rare. What I mean by that is, the odds of surviving are higher when vaccinated. I am not sure how you established a 99.997% recovery rate for the unvaccinated If they needed at stint in a hospital ICU and on a ventilator, they may have survived. But if that was the case, assume a state has a population of 5 million, how many ICU beds does it have? If covid requiring ICU is one in 5,000, they have 1,000 cases in ICU. How many nurses have covid or are in quarantine? An active covid case in a hospital can be enough to close some part of the hospital. Our hospital system is sized for normal everyday life not an out of control epidemic, a total collapse of the system and untreated covid patients dying at home, can't be totally ruled out. People should trust the medical experts and the data.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. So like the bloke Joe Biden in America when he said and I paraphrase "if you get the vaccine you won't go to hospital, ICU, and you won't die"... Certainly paraphrasing. But the evidence has shown that if you are vaccinated you are much less likely to end up in hospital, ICU or die. The problem is the numerous morons who don’t think that’s a fact.
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hd, I stated a recovery rate of 99.997%. When you consider that less than 2,000 people have died since the beginning of the pandemic out of a population of over 25,000,000, I think we doing ok. Also just remember the "medical experts" are paid employees just like the rest of us and are bound by their employer to release only the information they are told to release.
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16 Broncos players tested positive for covid.
Proof right there the virus isn't choosy, it would get better athlete's at a retirement village.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. So like the bloke Joe Biden in America when he said and I paraphrase "if you get the vaccine you won't go to hospital, ICU, and you won't die"... Certainly paraphrasing. But the evidence has shown that if you are vaccinated you are much less likely to end up in hospital, ICU or die. The problem is the numerous morons who don’t think that’s a fact. It paraphrasing by much... And it was a lie. Just making the point the pseudoscience is not exclusive to to the AV brigade...
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+xhd, I stated a recovery rate of 99.997%. When you consider that less than 2,000 people have died since the beginning of the pandemic out of a population of over 25,000,000, I think we doing ok. Also just remember the "medical experts" are paid employees just like the rest of us and are bound by their employer to release only the information they are told to release. ODF recovery rate is the percentage of people who contacted covid and lived. Medical experts are people trained in medicine at uni with years of real world experience and on the job training? What evidence do you imsgine they are hiding? Active cases, deaths etc is pretty straightforward.
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Micko, you like splashing that word "moron" about a lot. I hope you are not referring to the unvaccinated as morons.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere is not gonna be any herd immunity, whether through infections or vacc’s. You’ll get it once, you’ll get it twice. At the moment the only known is that vacc’s help your body fight it and there is a much lower hospitalisation and mortality rate than the un-vacced. There is nil evidence of the same for a second or third dose of Covid if you’re not vacced. There will be no herd immunity, just as there is no herd immunity for the common cold - a corona virus. We will end up living with it. When it becomes endemic by definition it’ll easier to manage. While it’s pandemic not so much. You are probably correct. Almost guaranteed to be because of the vaccine rollout for every poor country has been terrible and even worse for some richer nations because of stupidity. But we still have a chance.
If the world can work together to create a vaccine in such a short timeframe we can work together to vaccinate the world. Unfirtunately Micko, this can only happen if the world changes its attention to getting the poor but willing to be vaccinated rather than boost the existing double vaxxed. In any case, the scientists have stuffed this one up but are too proud to admit it. They were talking herd immunity at 70-80% and AUS and Israel hit over 90% in over 12year olds and still nothing. Now the revised target is 80% of all population until they revise it again. The reality is there are anti-vaxxers that make up a good 5-10% of the population. Its also now growing. They certainly wouldnt vaccinate their kids. So no matter what the scientists think, its not just a matter of someone flicking a switch and these guys just roll their sleeve up. They (rightly or wrongly) use civil liberties to argue against it and that is that. My personal view is that even vaccinating the rest of the world is not enough and changing our mindset to live with the virus in the same way our 5-10 year old kids have lived with it in the last 2 years is the onky way mankind can move forward. Boost those that need or want it. Let the rest decide for themselves.
‘Antivaxxer’ numbers are far from increasing. If anything we have seen a drop in their ignorant views. Obviously stupid will always be a part of our society but with greater access to education that will diminish. Define antivaxxer? A person who promotes pseudoscience involving inoculation. So like the bloke Joe Biden in America when he said and I paraphrase "if you get the vaccine you won't go to hospital, ICU, and you won't die"... Certainly paraphrasing. But the evidence has shown that if you are vaccinated you are much less likely to end up in hospital, ICU or die. The problem is the numerous morons who don’t think that’s a fact. It paraphrasing by much... And it was a lie. Just making the point the pseudoscience is not exclusive to to the AV brigade... Ain't paraphrasing*
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Taking NSW as an example 342,000 cases, 689 deaths.
NSW polulation over 8 million, so only around on person in 20 has had covid so far.
Just scale that up to everyone catching it eventually that is another 120,000 deaths, if the death rate stayed the same.
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+xFellow BDPers, i tested positive to covid in a second RAT test this morning and we had to cut our holiday up in kingscliff short and returned home. Kids are dissapointed as we were supppse to go to QLD tomorrow but what can you do.... I heard on radio that the Djoker was appealing the visa rejection and it was adjourned twice already. Ill be pissed off if it gets overturned. It wouldnt surprise me tho. That sucks mate. I hope you get well soon.
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