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+x+x+x+x+x+xRussia considers Ukraine its buffer zone between itself and its perceptions of NATO as an aggressive disruptive force. Russia needs to occupy Ukraine and it will. Problem is they won't stop there due to Putin's inherent ideological lunacy regarding what he considers to be "Russia" & "ethnic Russia". The prick is using any flimsy pretext for this invasion. Yep, and what happens when he occupies Ukraine and then says NATO is on his doorstep with Poland? He thinks he has a license to invade every country The old man and his cronies are still lamenting the 'good old days' of the Soviet Union. It's Hitler levels of delusional insanity and in fact that same paper thin justifications that he used to invade Poland, Austria & Czechslovakia at the time. The pro-Putin apologists not in Europe seem to forget that most of Europe hasn't forgotten Russia's idiocy and invasions from the old days. This idiot and his cronies need the rug yanked from under him. Did you watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWG3yzigIE Many people have been acknowledging these issues for some time in the West. However, if this is his sole aim then he made a gross miscalculation. If he is the fox people make him out to be then surely he knew this. He will hasten the spread of NATO and as tfs keeps pointing out all this does is move the goalposts to the next neighbouring country. Who is next IF this is his rational? A full blown invasion solves none of these stated aims. This is his public cause de guerre. Not the full story behind it. How does it not solve his stated claim if they occupy the country and install a puppet regime like they have in Belarus? I'm not agreeing with any of it but that is his rationale and, I hate to say it, he does have a point. None of this justifies an invasion but this isn't some random event. The thing is, no puppet regime will be supported on the ground or internationally. Russia simply doesn't have the money or firepower to maintain it.
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Same delusion that afflicted Americans with regards to Covid is happening in Russia with regards to Ukraine. Fake news!!! https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukrainians-shocked-to-find-relatives-in-russia-don-t-believe-there-s-a-war-20220307-p5a2aj.html
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+x+x+x+x+x+xRussia considers Ukraine its buffer zone between itself and its perceptions of NATO as an aggressive disruptive force. Russia needs to occupy Ukraine and it will. Problem is they won't stop there due to Putin's inherent ideological lunacy regarding what he considers to be "Russia" & "ethnic Russia". The prick is using any flimsy pretext for this invasion. Yep, and what happens when he occupies Ukraine and then says NATO is on his doorstep with Poland? He thinks he has a license to invade every country The old man and his cronies are still lamenting the 'good old days' of the Soviet Union. It's Hitler levels of delusional insanity and in fact that same paper thin justifications that he used to invade Poland, Austria & Czechslovakia at the time. The pro-Putin apologists not in Europe seem to forget that most of Europe hasn't forgotten Russia's idiocy and invasions from the old days. This idiot and his cronies need the rug yanked from under him. Did you watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWG3yzigIE Many people have been acknowledging these issues for some time in the West. However, if this is his sole aim then he made a gross miscalculation. If he is the fox people make him out to be then surely he knew this. He will hasten the spread of NATO and as tfs keeps pointing out all this does is move the goalposts to the next neighbouring country. Who is next IF this is his rational? A full blown invasion solves none of these stated aims. This is his public cause de guerre. Not the full story behind it. How does it not solve his stated claim if they occupy the country and install a puppet regime like they have in Belarus? The aim I meant was creating a buffer and/or halting NATO expansion. This will only hasten NATO expansion and move the buffer. If even SWEDEN is getting in on increased military spending, sending Ukraine anti tank missiles and just in general taking a side then you know you have miscalculated.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRussia considers Ukraine its buffer zone between itself and its perceptions of NATO as an aggressive disruptive force. Russia needs to occupy Ukraine and it will. Problem is they won't stop there due to Putin's inherent ideological lunacy regarding what he considers to be "Russia" & "ethnic Russia". The prick is using any flimsy pretext for this invasion. Yep, and what happens when he occupies Ukraine and then says NATO is on his doorstep with Poland? He thinks he has a license to invade every country The old man and his cronies are still lamenting the 'good old days' of the Soviet Union. It's Hitler levels of delusional insanity and in fact that same paper thin justifications that he used to invade Poland, Austria & Czechslovakia at the time. The pro-Putin apologists not in Europe seem to forget that most of Europe hasn't forgotten Russia's idiocy and invasions from the old days. This idiot and his cronies need the rug yanked from under him. Did you watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWG3yzigIE Many people have been acknowledging these issues for some time in the West. However, if this is his sole aim then he made a gross miscalculation. If he is the fox people make him out to be then surely he knew this. He will hasten the spread of NATO and as tfs keeps pointing out all this does is move the goalposts to the next neighbouring country. Who is next IF this is his rational? A full blown invasion solves none of these stated aims. This is his public cause de guerre. Not the full story behind it. How does it not solve his stated claim if they occupy the country and install a puppet regime like they have in Belarus? The aim I meant was creating a buffer and/or halting NATO expansion. This will only hasten NATO expansion and move the buffer. If even SWEDEN is getting in on increased military spending, sending Ukraine anti tank missiles and just in general taking a side then you know you have miscalculated. Ah. On Sweden like interventions I note even Switzerland has gotten involved which really is saying something. Did you read that article? Imagine your own parents saying you're lying about your city being blown up.
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Here's an interesting article. https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/russian-troops-say-theyre-desperate-to-quit-war-in-ukraine-on-calls-with-loved-ones/news-story/6aece923ef7351a6c505ebbc529e0aeaHe also claimed the Ukrainian government handing out tens of thousands of guns to its people had hampered the invasion led by Russian President Vladimir Putin. “Everyone here has an assault rifle. Everyone,” the soldier said.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRussia considers Ukraine its buffer zone between itself and its perceptions of NATO as an aggressive disruptive force. Russia needs to occupy Ukraine and it will. Problem is they won't stop there due to Putin's inherent ideological lunacy regarding what he considers to be "Russia" & "ethnic Russia". The prick is using any flimsy pretext for this invasion. Yep, and what happens when he occupies Ukraine and then says NATO is on his doorstep with Poland? He thinks he has a license to invade every country The old man and his cronies are still lamenting the 'good old days' of the Soviet Union. It's Hitler levels of delusional insanity and in fact that same paper thin justifications that he used to invade Poland, Austria & Czechslovakia at the time. The pro-Putin apologists not in Europe seem to forget that most of Europe hasn't forgotten Russia's idiocy and invasions from the old days. This idiot and his cronies need the rug yanked from under him. Did you watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWG3yzigIE Many people have been acknowledging these issues for some time in the West. However, if this is his sole aim then he made a gross miscalculation. If he is the fox people make him out to be then surely he knew this. He will hasten the spread of NATO and as tfs keeps pointing out all this does is move the goalposts to the next neighbouring country. Who is next IF this is his rational? A full blown invasion solves none of these stated aims. This is his public cause de guerre. Not the full story behind it. How does it not solve his stated claim if they occupy the country and install a puppet regime like they have in Belarus? The aim I meant was creating a buffer and/or halting NATO expansion. This will only hasten NATO expansion and move the buffer. If even SWEDEN is getting in on increased military spending, sending Ukraine anti tank missiles and just in general taking a side then you know you have miscalculated. Ah. On Sweden like interventions I note even Switzerland has gotten involved which really is saying something. Did you read that article? Imagine your own parents saying you're lying about your city being blown up. I saved the link to read later but yeah it's crazy hey
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRussia considers Ukraine its buffer zone between itself and its perceptions of NATO as an aggressive disruptive force. Russia needs to occupy Ukraine and it will. Problem is they won't stop there due to Putin's inherent ideological lunacy regarding what he considers to be "Russia" & "ethnic Russia". The prick is using any flimsy pretext for this invasion. Yep, and what happens when he occupies Ukraine and then says NATO is on his doorstep with Poland? He thinks he has a license to invade every country The old man and his cronies are still lamenting the 'good old days' of the Soviet Union. It's Hitler levels of delusional insanity and in fact that same paper thin justifications that he used to invade Poland, Austria & Czechslovakia at the time. The pro-Putin apologists not in Europe seem to forget that most of Europe hasn't forgotten Russia's idiocy and invasions from the old days. This idiot and his cronies need the rug yanked from under him. Did you watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWG3yzigIE Many people have been acknowledging these issues for some time in the West. However, if this is his sole aim then he made a gross miscalculation. If he is the fox people make him out to be then surely he knew this. He will hasten the spread of NATO and as tfs keeps pointing out all this does is move the goalposts to the next neighbouring country. Who is next IF this is his rational? A full blown invasion solves none of these stated aims. This is his public cause de guerre. Not the full story behind it. How does it not solve his stated claim if they occupy the country and install a puppet regime like they have in Belarus? The aim I meant was creating a buffer and/or halting NATO expansion. This will only hasten NATO expansion and move the buffer. If even SWEDEN is getting in on increased military spending, sending Ukraine anti tank missiles and just in general taking a side then you know you have miscalculated. Ah. On Sweden like interventions I note even Switzerland has gotten involved which really is saying something. Did you read that article? Imagine your own parents saying you're lying about your city being blown up. The Russian propaganda machine in full force. Would be interesting to see if more images get out into Russia. Apparently Anonymous have hacked Russian Government sites and are streaming war footage on it.
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The Russian soldiers have no interest to fight in this war. Apparently many weren't even sure they got sent in there in the first place. Ukraine on the other hand is fighting for its literal existence. Complete opposite in terms of will power to fight. Russia will need to commit hundreds of thousands to hold Ukraine as well. Even if they take Kyiv and other major cities, you can see insurgencies arising.
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A Russian colleague (been here two years) who has never said anything political or against Putin is totally dismayed. Almost to the point of being distraught at work. In his opinion Putin is a mad man trying to bring back USSR. He said the problem is nobody gets any truth in Russia.
Also spoke to friends in Ukraine last night. They just left ipina where very heavy fighting.
They said everyone is surprised by how poor the Russian equipment is. They said they thought they had bad equipment but the Russian stuff was bad. The problem is there is a lot of money and soldiers for them to sacrifice.
I was sent some videos that are heartbreaking. Russian soldiers basically kids themselves that have been sacrificed by Putin and laying across a freeway in pierces. Cannon fodder. The Ukrainian people are victims but also some of these soldiers from the backwoods of Siberia don’t know what the hell is going on.
Utterly pointless. On a positive note the Ukrainians are very heartened by all the support they are receiving. But they do not expect this to be over soon.
I think they and smart Russians are hoping for Putin to meet his demise from the inner circle.
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lucky we now have adults in the room at the Whitehouse instead of Putin's puppet.
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+xA Russian colleague (been here two years) who has never said anything political or against Putin is totally dismayed. Almost to the point of being distraught at work. In his opinion Putin is a mad man trying to bring back USSR. He said the problem is nobody gets any truth in Russia.
Also spoke to friends in Ukraine last night. They just left ipina where very heavy fighting.
They said everyone is surprised by how poor the Russian equipment is. They said they thought they had bad equipment but the Russian stuff was bad. The problem is there is a lot of money and soldiers for them to sacrifice.
I was sent some videos that are heartbreaking. Russian soldiers basically kids themselves that have been sacrificed by Putin and laying across a freeway in pierces. Cannon fodder. The Ukrainian people are victims but also some of these soldiers from the backwoods of Siberia don’t know what the hell is going on.
Utterly pointless. On a positive note the Ukrainians are very heartened by all the support they are receiving. But they do not expect this to be over soon.
I think they and smart Russians are hoping for Putin to meet his demise from the inner circle.
I'm on twitter a bit scouring for videos of what's going on. Found a couple of accounts where they are posting up captured soldiers. The majority are saying as far as they knew they were on exercises or coming to help Ukraine. Of course take that with a grain of salt because you'd say anything with a gun to your head but quiet a few of them seem just glad to be inside and out of danger. (So many young kids.)
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+x+xA Russian colleague (been here two years) who has never said anything political or against Putin is totally dismayed. Almost to the point of being distraught at work. In his opinion Putin is a mad man trying to bring back USSR. He said the problem is nobody gets any truth in Russia.
Also spoke to friends in Ukraine last night. They just left ipina where very heavy fighting.
They said everyone is surprised by how poor the Russian equipment is. They said they thought they had bad equipment but the Russian stuff was bad. The problem is there is a lot of money and soldiers for them to sacrifice.
I was sent some videos that are heartbreaking. Russian soldiers basically kids themselves that have been sacrificed by Putin and laying across a freeway in pierces. Cannon fodder. The Ukrainian people are victims but also some of these soldiers from the backwoods of Siberia don’t know what the hell is going on.
Utterly pointless. On a positive note the Ukrainians are very heartened by all the support they are receiving. But they do not expect this to be over soon.
I think they and smart Russians are hoping for Putin to meet his demise from the inner circle.
I'm on twitter a bit scouring for videos of what's going on. Found a couple of accounts where they are posting up captured soldiers. The majority are saying as far as they knew they were on exercises or coming to help Ukraine. Of course take that with a grain of salt because you'd say anything with a gun to your head but quiet a few of them seem just glad to be inside and out of danger. (So many young kids.) This account has lots: https://www.instagram.com/brunoitan/?hl=en. But brazilian journo reposting. The videos that I have been sent are obviously not allowed on socials and tbh I have stop getting or looking as it's just too much mentally The bad bit is if you are a villager or soldier in remote unit you really have not much option but to kill anyone you catch. Do you let them go back to their unit so they get you later? You cant really take prisoners - where do you keep them? Very risky
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it looks like Putin's forces are losing this one badly
Putin is getting a dose of democracy from brave freedom fighters!
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The point of a troll account is to stir attention. When nobody even engages months later but the person is still
posting their crap, it’s actually rather sad. Also concerning.
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Literally just learned that the Ukrainian president is Jewish. Does "De-nazification" include ousting a democratically elected Jewish president?
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+xThe point of a troll account is to stir attention. When nobody even engages months later but the person is still posting their crap, it’s actually rather sad. Also concerning. Yeah I just don't quite get it. Nobody bites except morons like rusty and John smith
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+xLiterally just learned that the Ukrainian president is Jewish. Does "De-nazification" include ousting a democratically elected Jewish president? Ha ha totally.
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+xLiterally just learned that the Ukrainian president is Jewish. Does "De-nazification" include ousting a democratically elected Jewish president? Yup. Such a poorly constructed lie that it's embarrassing. Should have stuck with the NATO excuse.
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+xA Russian colleague (been here two years) who has never said anything political or against Putin is totally dismayed. Almost to the point of being distraught at work. In his opinion Putin is a mad man trying to bring back USSR. He said the problem is nobody gets any truth in Russia.
Also spoke to friends in Ukraine last night. They just left ipina where very heavy fighting.
They said everyone is surprised by how poor the Russian equipment is. They said they thought they had bad equipment but the Russian stuff was bad. The problem is there is a lot of money and soldiers for them to sacrifice.
I was sent some videos that are heartbreaking. Russian soldiers basically kids themselves that have been sacrificed by Putin and laying across a freeway in pierces. Cannon fodder. The Ukrainian people are victims but also some of these soldiers from the backwoods of Siberia don’t know what the hell is going on.
Utterly pointless. On a positive note the Ukrainians are very heartened by all the support they are receiving. But they do not expect this to be over soon.
I think they and smart Russians are hoping for Putin to meet his demise from the inner circle.
I think its corruption within Russia. Everyone skimming a bit when it comes to supplies so the end result is junk. You're right those. The end result is dead Russians and Ukrainians who want none of this. So pointless.
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+x+xA Russian colleague (been here two years) who has never said anything political or against Putin is totally dismayed. Almost to the point of being distraught at work. In his opinion Putin is a mad man trying to bring back USSR. He said the problem is nobody gets any truth in Russia.
Also spoke to friends in Ukraine last night. They just left ipina where very heavy fighting.
They said everyone is surprised by how poor the Russian equipment is. They said they thought they had bad equipment but the Russian stuff was bad. The problem is there is a lot of money and soldiers for them to sacrifice.
I was sent some videos that are heartbreaking. Russian soldiers basically kids themselves that have been sacrificed by Putin and laying across a freeway in pierces. Cannon fodder. The Ukrainian people are victims but also some of these soldiers from the backwoods of Siberia don’t know what the hell is going on.
Utterly pointless. On a positive note the Ukrainians are very heartened by all the support they are receiving. But they do not expect this to be over soon.
I think they and smart Russians are hoping for Putin to meet his demise from the inner circle.
I think its corruption within Russia. Everyone skimming a bit when it comes to supplies so the end result is junk. You're right those. The end result is dead Russians and Ukrainians who want none of this. So pointless. Exactly what my Ukrainian mates said. Oligarchs skimming and scrimping making billions with military contracts. They now have tonnes of useless equipment through corruption.
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+xLiterally just learned that the Ukrainian president is Jewish. Does "De-nazification" include ousting a democratically elected Jewish president? everything coming out of Russia is batshit crazy conspiracy theories including that pearler that they are going after western biolabs :laugh:
seriously who comes up with this stuff.... Putin's propaganda machine that's who
now they're trying to tell us that jihadists are being sent to Ukraine to fight for Zelensky
it's just pure racism
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US contemplating sending fighter jets into Ukraine. Fucking insane if you ask me. Russia might have old beat ups tanks but their nukes could kill a billion people. War with NATO = BAD BAD BAD! These cold communist warmongers are dying to push the button, it would be a mistake to think that they wouldnt utilise every single weapon at their disposal to achieve victory, including lobbing nukes into NATO. Simple solution is to give Russia Donbas, Crimea, reject Ukraine from NATO, short term defeat can be offset by long term squeezing of their economy and further denuclearisation or at least exponential investment in missile defence. MAD doctrine has failed.
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+xUS contemplating sending fighter jets into Ukraine. Fucking insane if you ask me. Russia might have old beat ups tanks but their nukes could kill a billion people. War with NATO = BAD BAD BAD! These cold communist warmongers are dying to push the button, it would be a mistake to think that they wouldnt utilise every single weapon at their disposal to achieve victory, including lobbing nukes into NATO. Simple solution is to give Russia Donbas, Crimea, reject Ukraine from NATO, short term defeat can be offset by long term squeezing of their economy and further denuclearisation or at least exponential investment in missile defence. MAD doctrine has failed. Implied nuclear threats Station troops and weapons in Ukraine Nuclear tests in the Pacific Drop bombs on Moscow Assasinate Putin Fixed that for you
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+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER: Biden gift wrapped and handed Ukraine to Putin because he is so weak and feckless. Please explain what Trump could have done differently? Deterrence. Putin waited for America to elect a weak, feckless Democrat government before deciding to invade. Not an answer. Specifically please. Stronger rhetoric Implied nuclear threats Not broadcasting to the world that you wont put troops and resources in Ukraine Harsher sanctions Station troops and weapons in Ukraine Nuclear tests in the Pacific Withdraw from Nato negotiations with Ukraine Drop bombs on Moscow Assasinate Putin Do nothing - being Republican is probably enough, as opposed to your typical peahearted paper tiger Democrat who is more concerned with changing gender norms and defunding police. At the end of the day none of this matters. Biden sat by and watched while Putin took Ukraine without conceding a scratch, and history will forever remember it this way. For you to claim that “nothing else could be done” is precisely the kind of weakness of heart and character that tyrants love to prey on. Now that US has been outed as lacking strength and resolve watch China waltz in and take Taiwan under the implied threat of nuclear holocaust. Thought I'd bump this to show how full of shit you are Rusty. Literally 2 weeks ago you were saying Biden needed to use stronger actions are now you are criticising the US regarding the fighter jet thing. You are a joke.
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+xUS contemplating sending fighter jets into Ukraine. Fucking insane if you ask me. Russia might have old beat ups tanks but their nukes could kill a billion people. War with NATO = BAD BAD BAD! These cold communist warmongers are dying to push the button, it would be a mistake to think that they wouldnt utilise every single weapon at their disposal to achieve victory, including lobbing nukes into NATO. Simple solution is to give Russia Donbas, Crimea, reject Ukraine from NATO, short term defeat can be offset by long term squeezing of their economy and further denuclearisation or at least exponential investment in missile defence. MAD doctrine has failed. Why should Ukraine surrender and give up? Isn't the simply solution for Russia to retreat? Why must Ukraine entertain Russia's demands?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER: Biden gift wrapped and handed Ukraine to Putin because he is so weak and feckless. Please explain what Trump could have done differently? Deterrence. Putin waited for America to elect a weak, feckless Democrat government before deciding to invade. Not an answer. Specifically please. Stronger rhetoric Implied nuclear threats Not broadcasting to the world that you wont put troops and resources in Ukraine Harsher sanctions Station troops and weapons in Ukraine Nuclear tests in the Pacific Withdraw from Nato negotiations with Ukraine Drop bombs on Moscow Assasinate Putin Do nothing - being Republican is probably enough, as opposed to your typical peahearted paper tiger Democrat who is more concerned with changing gender norms and defunding police. At the end of the day none of this matters. Biden sat by and watched while Putin took Ukraine without conceding a scratch, and history will forever remember it this way. For you to claim that “nothing else could be done” is precisely the kind of weakness of heart and character that tyrants love to prey on. Now that US has been outed as lacking strength and resolve watch China waltz in and take Taiwan under the implied threat of nuclear holocaust. Thought I'd bump this to show how full of shit you are Rusty. Literally 2 weeks ago you were saying Biden needed to use stronger actions are now you are criticising the US regarding the fighter jet thing. You are a joke. hahahahhahahahaha
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER: Biden gift wrapped and handed Ukraine to Putin because he is so weak and feckless. Please explain what Trump could have done differently? Deterrence. Putin waited for America to elect a weak, feckless Democrat government before deciding to invade. Not an answer. Specifically please. Stronger rhetoric Implied nuclear threats Not broadcasting to the world that you wont put troops and resources in Ukraine Harsher sanctions Station troops and weapons in Ukraine Nuclear tests in the Pacific Withdraw from Nato negotiations with Ukraine Drop bombs on Moscow Assasinate Putin Do nothing - being Republican is probably enough, as opposed to your typical peahearted paper tiger Democrat who is more concerned with changing gender norms and defunding police. At the end of the day none of this matters. Biden sat by and watched while Putin took Ukraine without conceding a scratch, and history will forever remember it this way. For you to claim that “nothing else could be done” is precisely the kind of weakness of heart and character that tyrants love to prey on. Now that US has been outed as lacking strength and resolve watch China waltz in and take Taiwan under the implied threat of nuclear holocaust. Thought I'd bump this to show how full of shit you are Rusty. Literally 2 weeks ago you were saying Biden needed to use stronger actions are now you are criticising the US regarding the fighter jet thing. You are a joke. Stronger actions BEFORE letting Russia waltz into Ukraine, in order to DETER them from invading Ukraine. Sending in troops, jets now can no longer achieve deterrence and will only escalate conflict.
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+x+xUS contemplating sending fighter jets into Ukraine. Fucking insane if you ask me. Russia might have old beat ups tanks but their nukes could kill a billion people. War with NATO = BAD BAD BAD! These cold communist warmongers are dying to push the button, it would be a mistake to think that they wouldnt utilise every single weapon at their disposal to achieve victory, including lobbing nukes into NATO. Simple solution is to give Russia Donbas, Crimea, reject Ukraine from NATO, short term defeat can be offset by long term squeezing of their economy and further denuclearisation or at least exponential investment in missile defence. MAD doctrine has failed. Why should Ukraine surrender and give up? Isn't the simply solution for Russia to retreat? Why must Ukraine entertain Russia's demands? Because Russia has about 1,500 nuclear warheads it might be prepared to use to get its way, or at least prevent the West from getting its way. Regardless of the ethics and morality of its actions they have significant bargaining power, and if we want peace then the West (and Ukraine) is going to need to make some concessions.
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+x+x+xUS contemplating sending fighter jets into Ukraine. Fucking insane if you ask me. Russia might have old beat ups tanks but their nukes could kill a billion people. War with NATO = BAD BAD BAD! These cold communist warmongers are dying to push the button, it would be a mistake to think that they wouldnt utilise every single weapon at their disposal to achieve victory, including lobbing nukes into NATO. Simple solution is to give Russia Donbas, Crimea, reject Ukraine from NATO, short term defeat can be offset by long term squeezing of their economy and further denuclearisation or at least exponential investment in missile defence. MAD doctrine has failed. Why should Ukraine surrender and give up? Isn't the simply solution for Russia to retreat? Why must Ukraine entertain Russia's demands? Because Russia has about 1,500 nuclear warheads it might be prepared to use to get its way, or at least prevent the West from getting its way. Regardless of the ethics and morality of its actions they have significant bargaining power, and if we want peace then the West (and Ukraine) is going to need to make some concessions. Clown. Russia is going to lay waste to the Ukraine with nuclear weapons are they? And the radioactive fallout is just magically going to stay over the Ukraine and not poison millions of Russians and citizens of neighbouring countries. Will never happen.
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Bio-labs in Ukraine was a conspiracy theory 1 week ago, but now there is very real concern by US Gov that the Ruski's will capture these "research facilities".... On Tuesday, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland told the Senate that the US is working with Ukraine to protect biological research labs as Russia continues its attacks on the Eastern European nation. "Ukraine has biological research facilities, which in fact we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of, so we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach," Nuland told the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee in a hearing.
The response came in regards to a question from Senator Marco Rubio, who asked: "Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?" https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-official-us-ukraine-bio-research-facilities-russia
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