Another post to be ignored.

Did they bow to the APL on the Australia Cup winner taking the ACL spot off the GF winner?

That's the problem,  nothing concrete has been proposed......
You seem pretty sold on the idea that JJ and FA board are all for a full season NSD and full pyramid of pro rel both with NPL and Aleague..... I wish I shared you optimism but whenever AAFC have published their models, both structural and financial, the FA has been quick to counter with talk of conferences, Champions League style mini torunaments, modelling soccer in Australia on clausura and apertura South American style, and the very latest musings of changed ownership models for existing members owned clubs and mandated youth rosters.  Its pretty clear that the APL cartel holds all the keys to the Aleague and why you would think consulting with them to allow others clubs in without paying a rubbish franchise fee will be accepted seems ludicrous..... If the FA are so bullish on implementing full, PR why the "tiptoeing around the tulips"???? 

Was that the APL or a directive by AFC as to validity of GF winner being a league champion or cup winner? Something to do with length of season requirements oerhaps?

Yes, obviously an AFC directive.
And yes, the FA has happily broached every conceivable structure for the so-called NSD, every one except a proper pyramid with P&R - that one never gets mentioned!
I think we know why.
Anyway, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

It's amazing that some people blindly believe that everything that comes out from the FFA and APL is for the betterment of football in this country. 
Question everything. Politics within our game is worse than politics itself. 

you can hardly blame the veiled dislike being our games structure has been in a mess forever - only the sugar coating and the fact we have qualied for the WC since 06 camoflaugges everything that the univested don't know.
Spare us the attacks for all the talk of the NSD getting up and running all should be out front and centre for all to see (barring the small snippets let out to date) and JJ and his co hearts should be reaching out to all below the pyramid for input on the record so people know they are active - they then would know most if not all expect to see a H/A competition full stop might I add.
The other point is all this should have already been done and dusted, Clubs annouced participating and that the comp starts next winter.
That all comes around pretty quick especially when Clubs needs to chase sponsership $$$, grounds to meet standards agreed upon etcetcetc.....
There is so much to get prepared it should have been announced by now with all the time this has taken.

Do not edit my posts

It looks like we were lied to again. I don't think there is enough time to implement a NSD for 2023.

You claim knowledge of the proposals that are being presented to the board, and also claim you know which will be JJ's preference.

Please provide source,

or state that it was just you guessing

This sounds like the actual truth. 

JJ is like that bloke promising an engagement ring and marriage to the long-term girlfriend desperate to get hitched. But he's just making bullshit excuses in an attempt to keep delaying it time and time again. 
And she just wants to believe everything he has to say.  

But in reality, it's just lip service and people need to take the blinkers off. 

Stay tuned all will soon be revealed.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH Just like who made the best pavlova on Masterchef? "But first, a word from our sponsors" hahahahahahahah

It was talked about as 2023, leaving it as a grey area as they deceived everybody, by design. 
I did once question that date, asking if it was 2022-23 OR 2023-24. Blank faces all round.
Galatas on a recent pod said clearly,  among other things, that the FA were going to go through the process to choose the teams for the NSD during season 2022-23 and get the comp up and running in 2023-24.
Was never going to be 2022-23 season. They only concealed the truth, so they lied yes.
Won't get the FA to go from a jog to a sprint. They will always go slow with any progress.
Wonder if the NSD will be as big a story as champions Western Utd gracing the hallowed turf of the new training ground, at Wyndham City, in that very season. Time will tell on how it all plays out.

The AFC regulations allow the FA to decide which of the two competitions is the Cup.  The FA decided that it would be the knock out competition winner not the winner of the grand final that would take the second spot in ACL qualification.  The first spot goes to the winner of the home and away section of our ALM competition.  The ALM clubs did not like the FA decision at all.

1. "9.2.  Where a Member Association has more than one (1) domestic cup, it shall inform the AFC and its clubs of the ‘domestic cup’ for the purposes of Article 9.1."

You sure there was backlash from the HAL clubs?
I don't see why they would 
They will pretty much win most of the FFA cups anyway. 
Plus they aura of the ACL has well and truly gone. 
So I'd imagine they wouldn't care either way.  

This article from Micallef gives some detail of the process, the APL's willingness to give up the spot as long as the GF winner got the first spot and APL's alarm when FA didn't agree with APL's requirement.  I haven't bothered looking for more articles for you but Micallef's comments about reducing the status of the GF was  the thrust of the APL's annoyance.

https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/whats-the-point-of-a-league-finals-if-the-champions-cant-play-in-asia/5puaujtr9

Nothing from the AL clubs though. 
Just a journos opinion. And an sBS one at that. 

No real uproar from clubs that I can recall. 
Like I said, the ACL isn't the pot of gold clubs were expecting. 

So this change in allocation isnt a major issue that I can tell. 

Yes, agreed, but their hand was "forced" in a way as otherwise the FFA cup or whatever it's now called would lose any credibility. It seem more a power play for the FA to keep control (and profit from) of at least ONE meaningful competition in Australia (now that they have lost the Aleague). All the more reason why they, I feel, don't need to consult with the APL on any NSD - UNLESS their aim is to have pro rel from the start or in the near future... A conversation which would be pointless in my opinion as if APL investors would EVER green light their own demise?

This article talks about 23 coinciding with the WWC........quoted below aricle Nov '21

In January, the AAFC, a collective of National Premier League (NPL) clubs that have been advocating for the introduction of a second division, released a report outlining a model for a competition they declared was both "affordable and feasible" and capable of launching in 2022.

Football Australia chairman Chris Nikou -- whose organisation is the ultimate arbiter of the "who, what, when and where" of a second tier -- told a Melbourne Knights club function in May that he envisioned a model being presented to his board by the end of the year, with the competition, in an ideal world, starting in 2023.

https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league-men/story/4521449/fa-ceo-james-johnson-outlines-the-roadmap-to-promotion-and-relegation-in-australia

Johnson stopped short of making firm commitments but told ESPN that he would personally welcome a 2023 start date for the second tier, linking its potential introduction with a series of other, landmark events.

"2023 would be a great year to start, right," Johnson said. "2023 is really lining up to be a really memorable year for the sport.

"We've got the Women's World Cup in 2023; 2022 will be a year for the Men's World Cup and a good lead into 2023 [the 2022 iteration of the tournament will run from Nov. 21 to Dec. 18].

"Will it be 2023? I would love to see that be the case."

Of course, beyond the "when," there is also the matter of the "who" -- the select group of clubs that will become the founding members of a new chapter in Australian football.

Overall its a good review seeing this again, especially at the end of it re APL saying they will listen work with the FA on unbundling of their agreement - yer can't see it.

Johnson was clear when asked to clarify if A-League club licences prevented their relegation. "No. It doesn't," he said.

"What we've got to remember is that we play in a global system.

"The global system is regulated by FIFA, and one of the principles is sporting merit and that needs to be seen throughout the world at the appropriate time. You can't contract out of that."

Anyway bring on this bloody NSD so we can move forward !

I can't see how the FA was "forced".  The Cup has always been FA property and I don't see how it would have lost any credibility with the split to APL running the ALM.  Giving it an ACL spot brings it into line with most of Asia.  That does give the Cup a higher status and the GF does lose some status especially if our results in the ACL give us extra spots.  #2, #3... on the ALM table get spots and the GF winner never does. :)

As far as consultation with the APL and the PFA, they are stakeholders and they both have put their views on the second tier so I suppose they need to be included in discussions but if my reading of the article is right its after the discussions with the AAFC have narrowed the options down to the preferred option.

Told you, it's 2023-24 unless there's a brain fart..again.

It was meant to line up with the NPL from my understanding.

I also heard that the NSD will run with the ALeague UNLESS, it is a Champion League format so it would run Winter and the last 10-12 rounds from January-March.region.
That's where the place holder on the calendar was as well if you remember.

Credibility in so much as FA having control of a competition which enables clubs to then compete in ACL (albeit with only a half spot) If FA and AFC and APL all agreed that the finals series and Grand Final was our cup competition as it was previously, then FA dont have ANY representation in Asia is what I meant. Does this also mean that APL clubs do not meet the minimum number of games required for AFC to consider the Aleague a legitimate league for entry to further competitions? I dont know? However, from JJ and Nikou's perspective, absolutely this move gives the cup a higher status (one it deserves in my opinion) I just think it was a move by the FA to retain a semblance of authority over football in Australia after "the breakaway pty ltd"

PFA is very gung ho on a second tier for obvious reasons and thus their call, from the start, for it to be a fully professional competition with 5 million per club operational budgets etc. From their perspective it makes perfect sense, whether there is pro/rel or not, as it simply means them almost doubling their membership base, their income stream and their influence at the FA table... The APL however cannot, by its very nature, be considered a stakeholder... More a direct opponent of the NSD - unless they agree with a direct link between the two leagues.... Call me a cynical old coot but I dont see that happening, therefore any "interest" they may have in an NSD is purely so they can shoehorn their youth teams into the comp to save money on having to run their own Y League as  promised and committed to.... 

The requirement is for a minimum of 27 games so involvement in the Cup means the ALM satisfies the AFC.

Having set up a club licensing system for the ALM that FA is in charge of shows the APL who controls football in Australia.

Making the ALM clubs pay transfer fees for any player they pluck from the lower tiers will show the APL who is in charge of football.

The A-League clubs are stakeholders in football through being members of FA.  Like every other member they have the right to make their views known to FA management and to be considered in FA's decision making process.

We knew the word was 23, NPL pre season starts normally in Jan Comp early March and ends Aug/Sept normally as I'm sure you know, thats FNSW no over lapping year.
Forget mentioning 24 for the article is re 23.
Why I'm saying it should be all out by now with 6mths left of the year, obviously there is still some hoops to jump I expect due to resistance somewhere or 3.

This so much........there is no way the ‘tail will wag the dog’ during JJ’s tenure.

They were originally talking about a 2022 start date.
Then it became 2023, but already it's starting to sound like it won't happen in 2023.

Sure they have the right to make their views known on matters that affect them but considering we are talking about two totally isolated leagues, why should their opinion carry any weight? Do NPL clubs have a right to voice an opinion on Aleague expansion, or when the next Star Wars round will  be? But sadly, Danny Trainwrecks foreign puppet masters now hold the purse strings so FA can be "in charge" all they want, the cartel will NOT be breached.