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Cricket needs to smarten up. Two spinners bowling, the #9 batsmen has just hit a six down the ground and you have a dick head with a light meter checking the light. Why would they want to stuff the day for the fans then expect them to turn up tomorrow. They already lost a lot of play earlier.
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Mooloolabadog
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Six out of the ground by #9 batsman and players go straight off for bad light. They expect people to pay when they treat them like that
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Mick O
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBurto was great and Gus let everyone know. I’m guessing we are going to announce a big contract for him soon. The kid could end up being one of the best ever.
It’s been way too long since we had a superstar in the halves.
He seems to be waiting to see what's on offer from other clubs. No hurry for him as his price is going up. Some one like the Roosters if Keary gets another head knockmay pose a problem. We need to remember he is not a player with any long term ties to us, so loyalty is not a factor. $400K offer on the cap from the Rorters should be enough to see him in Bondi… It was only a matter of time before p1sshead Scumfield mentioned Burton & Roosters in the same sentence especially with all the HIA’s Keary’s copped! Him mentioning it makes no difference to reality. It is blindingly obvious that they would be sniffing around. Dirty sniffers they are… and no one can match their ‘at arms length TPAs’… Dirty dirty sniffers… TPAs run counter to the stated aims of the salary cap. At various times the NRL has put the value of TPAs at 3 to 5% of the salary cap. As with all statistics you need to dig a little deeper. 5% of the cap is around $470k per club or $7.5million overall. The SC is distributed evenly over all clubs but I believe TPAs are in the main available to around 5 clubs. Now we have a $1.5million difference. We won't get rid of TPAs so the question is how do we minimise their effect. This is where it becomes difficult and the best approach would be to ensure true value is on the SC. Maybe all contract offers should be registered with the NRL, who would vet them, ensure they were within the ability of the offerer within their SC and set the deemed cap salary for a player accordingly. I also think the 95% minimum spend should be scrapped. Teams with inferior rosters are forced to pay top dollar and for multiple years restricting their recruiting ability going forward I can see flaws in all this but no more than we have under the current system. Agree that clubs should never be forced to spend the majority of the cap. It makes no sense. But good luck changing that. The players union won’t go for it.
What everybody forgets. The salary cap was brought in to stop teams from going broke. Not to make the game fair and equal. And I personally would prefer if that was still the way it was governed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBurto was great and Gus let everyone know. I’m guessing we are going to announce a big contract for him soon. The kid could end up being one of the best ever.
It’s been way too long since we had a superstar in the halves.
He seems to be waiting to see what's on offer from other clubs. No hurry for him as his price is going up. Some one like the Roosters if Keary gets another head knockmay pose a problem. We need to remember he is not a player with any long term ties to us, so loyalty is not a factor. $400K offer on the cap from the Rorters should be enough to see him in Bondi… It was only a matter of time before p1sshead Scumfield mentioned Burton & Roosters in the same sentence especially with all the HIA’s Keary’s copped! Him mentioning it makes no difference to reality. It is blindingly obvious that they would be sniffing around. Dirty sniffers they are… and no one can match their ‘at arms length TPAs’… Dirty dirty sniffers… TPAs run counter to the stated aims of the salary cap. At various times the NRL has put the value of TPAs at 3 to 5% of the salary cap. As with all statistics you need to dig a little deeper. 5% of the cap is around $470k per club or $7.5million overall. The SC is distributed evenly over all clubs but I believe TPAs are in the main available to around 5 clubs. Now we have a $1.5million difference. We won't get rid of TPAs so the question is how do we minimise their effect. This is where it becomes difficult and the best approach would be to ensure true value is on the SC. Maybe all contract offers should be registered with the NRL, who would vet them, ensure they were within the ability of the offerer within their SC and set the deemed cap salary for a player accordingly. I also think the 95% minimum spend should be scrapped. Teams with inferior rosters are forced to pay top dollar and for multiple years restricting their recruiting ability going forward I can see flaws in all this but no more than we have under the current system. Agree that clubs should never be forced to spend the majority of the cap. It makes no sense. But good luck changing that. The players union won’t go for it.
What everybody forgets. The salary cap was brought in to stop teams from going broke. Not to make the game fair and equal. And I personally would prefer if that was still the way it was governed. I’d prefer if the Sharks were left to rot on the several occasions they mismanaged the clubs finances…
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Mooloolabadog
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBurto was great and Gus let everyone know. I’m guessing we are going to announce a big contract for him soon. The kid could end up being one of the best ever.
It’s been way too long since we had a superstar in the halves.
He seems to be waiting to see what's on offer from other clubs. No hurry for him as his price is going up. Some one like the Roosters if Keary gets another head knockmay pose a problem. We need to remember he is not a player with any long term ties to us, so loyalty is not a factor. $400K offer on the cap from the Rorters should be enough to see him in Bondi… It was only a matter of time before p1sshead Scumfield mentioned Burton & Roosters in the same sentence especially with all the HIA’s Keary’s copped! Him mentioning it makes no difference to reality. It is blindingly obvious that they would be sniffing around. Dirty sniffers they are… and no one can match their ‘at arms length TPAs’… Dirty dirty sniffers… TPAs run counter to the stated aims of the salary cap. At various times the NRL has put the value of TPAs at 3 to 5% of the salary cap. As with all statistics you need to dig a little deeper. 5% of the cap is around $470k per club or $7.5million overall. The SC is distributed evenly over all clubs but I believe TPAs are in the main available to around 5 clubs. Now we have a $1.5million difference. We won't get rid of TPAs so the question is how do we minimise their effect. This is where it becomes difficult and the best approach would be to ensure true value is on the SC. Maybe all contract offers should be registered with the NRL, who would vet them, ensure they were within the ability of the offerer within their SC and set the deemed cap salary for a player accordingly. I also think the 95% minimum spend should be scrapped. Teams with inferior rosters are forced to pay top dollar and for multiple years restricting their recruiting ability going forward I can see flaws in all this but no more than we have under the current system. Agree that clubs should never be forced to spend the majority of the cap. It makes no sense. But good luck changing that. The players union won’t go for it.
What everybody forgets. The salary cap was brought in to stop teams from going broke. Not to make the game fair and equal. And I personally would prefer if that was still the way it was governed. There are two stated aims by NRL operations. One as you say relates to clubs over spending, the other is "spreading the playing talent". The second one is where we are falling down badly. At a very minimum, to give some transparency, the NRL should publish the total TPAs for each club annually.
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Good to see Casey making his debut also Morrin recovered fast.
Game against the Sharks is critical for us.
I wasn't overly impressed with the Storm / Manly game, I can't remember the last time the Storm played so badly in attack and defence.
The Cheese was great but his team mates let him down badly.
Manly were fairly good for the fireet 70 mins but fell appart for no apparent reason in the last 10.
There is an outside chance that if we can get it together we can make a late run. If might be SOO or just a long season but some teams might be fading.
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On the SC, the game is better when all teams are fairly evenly matched and when player scouting and development is rewarded.
Sure reward excellence but excellence in scouting, development and coaching, not just a big chequebook.
The key is for all clubs to have an academy and for locally developed talent to have relaxed TPA rules and for some system to reward fielding local talent. That could be bonus payment from the NRL based on points scored per years at the club including lower grades etc.
These bonus payments can be used for player payments for the following season.
E.g. Say that the NRL allocates 1 million for bonus payments and clubs total 100,000 points for all clubs. $10 per point. Panthers have the most local talent with 13,000 points they get an extra 130,000 to spend.
What is important is to reward the principle of player development, the sum of money is less important.
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Wow, the cricket is over...went through them like a dose of salts. Travis Head never had a Test wicket and now he has 4 of them for a meager 10 runs no less...Man of Match goes to Cameron Green...I guess the rationale being any sap can bowl on this wicket (sorry Travis) but it needs a special effort to bat. I like the Sri Lankan keeper Dickwella, a great name which reminds of Dickens' Dick Swiveller.....also a great name.
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+xWow, the cricket is over...went through them like a dose of salts. Travis Head never had a Test wicket and now he has 4 of them for a meager 10 runs no less...Man of Match goes to Cameron Green...I guess the rationale being any sap can bowl on this wicket (sorry Travis) but it needs a special effort to bat. I like the Sri Lankan keeper Dickwella, a great name which reminds of Dickens' Dick Swiveller.....also a great name. There is a long history of part time bowlers doing well on spinning decks.
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Mooloolabadog
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+xOn the SC, the game is better when all teams are fairly evenly matched and when player scouting and development is rewarded. Sure reward excellence but excellence in scouting, development and coaching, not just a big chequebook. The key is for all clubs to have an academy and for locally developed talent to have relaxed TPA rules and for some system to reward fielding local talent. That could be bonus payment from the NRL based on points scored per years at the club including lower grades etc. These bonus payments can be used for player payments for the following season. E.g. Say that the NRL allocates 1 million for bonus payments and clubs total 100,000 points for all clubs. $10 per point. Panthers have the most local talent with 13,000 points they get an extra 130,000 to spend. What is important is to reward the principle of player development, the sum of money is less important. A simple approach, stolen from another sport. Four players that have been with a club before they turn 18 have $150K of their salary not counted on the cap until the year after they turn 24.
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Kicks is a weapon, I can't wait until he is playing for us.
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I'm very interested to see how Casey goes against his old club. Is Allen dropped or injured? Don't suppose I care really
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+xI'm very interested to see how Casey goes against his old club. Is Allen dropped or injured? Don't suppose I care really Alan is injured. IMO Casey is a better player.
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IMO we have good leg speed though the middle with JMK, ZDC and Morrin.
Way to play the Sharks is copy the Roosters game plan from tonight.
Even have our centres, fullback and wingers running back through the midlle or outside in angles.
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+xIMO we have good leg speed though the middle with JMK, ZDC and Morrin. Way to play the Sharks is copy the Roosters game plan from tonight. Even have our centres, fullback and wingers running back through the midlle or outside in angles. I hope the bigger Shark forwards don't prove too much for our smaller guys.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBurto was great and Gus let everyone know. I’m guessing we are going to announce a big contract for him soon. The kid could end up being one of the best ever.
It’s been way too long since we had a superstar in the halves.
He seems to be waiting to see what's on offer from other clubs. No hurry for him as his price is going up. Some one like the Roosters if Keary gets another head knockmay pose a problem. We need to remember he is not a player with any long term ties to us, so loyalty is not a factor. $400K offer on the cap from the Rorters should be enough to see him in Bondi… It was only a matter of time before p1sshead Scumfield mentioned Burton & Roosters in the same sentence especially with all the HIA’s Keary’s copped! Him mentioning it makes no difference to reality. It is blindingly obvious that they would be sniffing around. Dirty sniffers they are… and no one can match their ‘at arms length TPAs’… Dirty dirty sniffers… TPAs run counter to the stated aims of the salary cap. At various times the NRL has put the value of TPAs at 3 to 5% of the salary cap. As with all statistics you need to dig a little deeper. 5% of the cap is around $470k per club or $7.5million overall. The SC is distributed evenly over all clubs but I believe TPAs are in the main available to around 5 clubs. Now we have a $1.5million difference. We won't get rid of TPAs so the question is how do we minimise their effect. This is where it becomes difficult and the best approach would be to ensure true value is on the SC. Maybe all contract offers should be registered with the NRL, who would vet them, ensure they were within the ability of the offerer within their SC and set the deemed cap salary for a player accordingly. I also think the 95% minimum spend should be scrapped. Teams with inferior rosters are forced to pay top dollar and for multiple years restricting their recruiting ability going forward I can see flaws in all this but no more than we have under the current system. Agree that clubs should never be forced to spend the majority of the cap. It makes no sense. But good luck changing that. The players union won’t go for it.
What everybody forgets. The salary cap was brought in to stop teams from going broke. Not to make the game fair and equal. And I personally would prefer if that was still the way it was governed. There are two stated aims by NRL operations. One as you say relates to clubs over spending, the other is "spreading the playing talent". The second one is where we are falling down badly. At a very minimum, to give some transparency, the NRL should publish the total TPAs for each club annually. Agreed they are failing. And they could find a way to have all salaries published. It would be hard but they most likely would succeed. The problem remains though. The players most likely don’t want to do it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBurto was great and Gus let everyone know. I’m guessing we are going to announce a big contract for him soon. The kid could end up being one of the best ever.
It’s been way too long since we had a superstar in the halves.
He seems to be waiting to see what's on offer from other clubs. No hurry for him as his price is going up. Some one like the Roosters if Keary gets another head knockmay pose a problem. We need to remember he is not a player with any long term ties to us, so loyalty is not a factor. $400K offer on the cap from the Rorters should be enough to see him in Bondi… It was only a matter of time before p1sshead Scumfield mentioned Burton & Roosters in the same sentence especially with all the HIA’s Keary’s copped! Him mentioning it makes no difference to reality. It is blindingly obvious that they would be sniffing around. Dirty sniffers they are… and no one can match their ‘at arms length TPAs’… Dirty dirty sniffers… TPAs run counter to the stated aims of the salary cap. At various times the NRL has put the value of TPAs at 3 to 5% of the salary cap. As with all statistics you need to dig a little deeper. 5% of the cap is around $470k per club or $7.5million overall. The SC is distributed evenly over all clubs but I believe TPAs are in the main available to around 5 clubs. Now we have a $1.5million difference. We won't get rid of TPAs so the question is how do we minimise their effect. This is where it becomes difficult and the best approach would be to ensure true value is on the SC. Maybe all contract offers should be registered with the NRL, who would vet them, ensure they were within the ability of the offerer within their SC and set the deemed cap salary for a player accordingly. I also think the 95% minimum spend should be scrapped. Teams with inferior rosters are forced to pay top dollar and for multiple years restricting their recruiting ability going forward I can see flaws in all this but no more than we have under the current system. Agree that clubs should never be forced to spend the majority of the cap. It makes no sense. But good luck changing that. The players union won’t go for it.
What everybody forgets. The salary cap was brought in to stop teams from going broke. Not to make the game fair and equal. And I personally would prefer if that was still the way it was governed. There are two stated aims by NRL operations. One as you say relates to clubs over spending, the other is "spreading the playing talent". The second one is where we are falling down badly. At a very minimum, to give some transparency, the NRL should publish the total TPAs for each club annually. Agreed they are failing. And they could find a way to have all salaries published. It would be hard but they most likely would succeed. The problem remains though. The players most likely don’t want to do it. We need to be careful not to cede too much power to the players at the expense of the game. The players can certainly make a nuisance of themselves short term, but in reality, with RL being such a small game internationally, and the NRL being the preeminent competition they really don't have too many alternatives.
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+x+xIMO we have good leg speed though the middle with JMK, ZDC and Morrin. Way to play the Sharks is copy the Roosters game plan from tonight. Even have our centres, fullback and wingers running back through the midlle or outside in angles. I hope the bigger Shark forwards don't prove too much for our smaller guys. Yes that is the battle. In the wet, footwork, leg speed and direction changes can give smaller guys a chance running the ball. In defence, we need linespeed and gang tackling. The Sharks also have dangerous outside backs, and we can more or less match them. Less chance of playing around teams in wet slippery conditions.
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+x+x+xIMO we have good leg speed though the middle with JMK, ZDC and Morrin. Way to play the Sharks is copy the Roosters game plan from tonight. Even have our centres, fullback and wingers running back through the midlle or outside in angles. I hope the bigger Shark forwards don't prove too much for our smaller guys. Yes that is the battle. In the wet, footwork, leg speed and direction changes can give smaller guys a chance running the ball. In defence, we need linespeed and gang tackling. The Sharks also have dangerous outside backs, and we can more or less match them. Less chance of playing around teams in wet slippery conditions. Worry for mine is they will be a tad cocky after two good wins...hopefully not and they have turned the corner. Good luck to the Sharks in catching Burton's bombs on at absiolutely s---house day
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBurto was great and Gus let everyone know. I’m guessing we are going to announce a big contract for him soon. The kid could end up being one of the best ever.
It’s been way too long since we had a superstar in the halves.
He seems to be waiting to see what's on offer from other clubs. No hurry for him as his price is going up. Some one like the Roosters if Keary gets another head knockmay pose a problem. We need to remember he is not a player with any long term ties to us, so loyalty is not a factor. $400K offer on the cap from the Rorters should be enough to see him in Bondi… It was only a matter of time before p1sshead Scumfield mentioned Burton & Roosters in the same sentence especially with all the HIA’s Keary’s copped! Him mentioning it makes no difference to reality. It is blindingly obvious that they would be sniffing around. Dirty sniffers they are… and no one can match their ‘at arms length TPAs’… Dirty dirty sniffers… TPAs run counter to the stated aims of the salary cap. At various times the NRL has put the value of TPAs at 3 to 5% of the salary cap. As with all statistics you need to dig a little deeper. 5% of the cap is around $470k per club or $7.5million overall. The SC is distributed evenly over all clubs but I believe TPAs are in the main available to around 5 clubs. Now we have a $1.5million difference. We won't get rid of TPAs so the question is how do we minimise their effect. This is where it becomes difficult and the best approach would be to ensure true value is on the SC. Maybe all contract offers should be registered with the NRL, who would vet them, ensure they were within the ability of the offerer within their SC and set the deemed cap salary for a player accordingly. I also think the 95% minimum spend should be scrapped. Teams with inferior rosters are forced to pay top dollar and for multiple years restricting their recruiting ability going forward I can see flaws in all this but no more than we have under the current system. Agree that clubs should never be forced to spend the majority of the cap. It makes no sense. But good luck changing that. The players union won’t go for it.
What everybody forgets. The salary cap was brought in to stop teams from going broke. Not to make the game fair and equal. And I personally would prefer if that was still the way it was governed. There are two stated aims by NRL operations. One as you say relates to clubs over spending, the other is "spreading the playing talent". The second one is where we are falling down badly. At a very minimum, to give some transparency, the NRL should publish the total TPAs for each club annually. Agreed they are failing. And they could find a way to have all salaries published. It would be hard but they most likely would succeed. The problem remains though. The players most likely don’t want to do it. We need to be careful not to cede too much power to the players at the expense of the game. The players can certainly make a nuisance of themselves short term, but in reality, with RL being such a small game internationally, and the NRL being the preeminent competition they really don't have too many alternatives. Players certainly do have an alternative. Rugby Union offers huge dollars. But yes, that is really the only alternative.
The players union is as strong as it has ever been and looks to be increasing is power in the game. For the good of the game changes need to be made.
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A national reserve grade comp has some merit as a way of developing talent and generating more TV content. The additional travel expenses are a factor.
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QLD cup and NSW cup would be impacted, but these comps are a strange mix, teams that are not NRL feeder clubs struggle to be competitive.
The standard of NSW cup is variable.
QLD cup used to have high standards, I haven't watched games recently.
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+xA national reserve grade comp has some merit as a way of developing talent and generating more TV content. The additional travel expenses are a factor. I think most clubs would struggle to afford it. I believe it’s why the under 20’s comp no longer exists.
It would also hurt expansion because of the increased costs of running clubs. I would love to watch it but I don’t think it’s a viable option.
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+x+xA national reserve grade comp has some merit as a way of developing talent and generating more TV content. The additional travel expenses are a factor. I think most clubs would struggle to afford it. I believe it’s why the under 20’s comp no longer exists.
It would also hurt expansion because of the increased costs of running clubs. I would love to watch it but I don’t think it’s a viable option. I thought that I saw it suggested somewhere.
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Reserve grade lost, it looks like Okunbor hasn't lost the ability to drop the ball.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBurto was great and Gus let everyone know. I’m guessing we are going to announce a big contract for him soon. The kid could end up being one of the best ever.
It’s been way too long since we had a superstar in the halves.
He seems to be waiting to see what's on offer from other clubs. No hurry for him as his price is going up. Some one like the Roosters if Keary gets another head knockmay pose a problem. We need to remember he is not a player with any long term ties to us, so loyalty is not a factor. $400K offer on the cap from the Rorters should be enough to see him in Bondi… It was only a matter of time before p1sshead Scumfield mentioned Burton & Roosters in the same sentence especially with all the HIA’s Keary’s copped! Him mentioning it makes no difference to reality. It is blindingly obvious that they would be sniffing around. Dirty sniffers they are… and no one can match their ‘at arms length TPAs’… Dirty dirty sniffers… TPAs run counter to the stated aims of the salary cap. At various times the NRL has put the value of TPAs at 3 to 5% of the salary cap. As with all statistics you need to dig a little deeper. 5% of the cap is around $470k per club or $7.5million overall. The SC is distributed evenly over all clubs but I believe TPAs are in the main available to around 5 clubs. Now we have a $1.5million difference. We won't get rid of TPAs so the question is how do we minimise their effect. This is where it becomes difficult and the best approach would be to ensure true value is on the SC. Maybe all contract offers should be registered with the NRL, who would vet them, ensure they were within the ability of the offerer within their SC and set the deemed cap salary for a player accordingly. I also think the 95% minimum spend should be scrapped. Teams with inferior rosters are forced to pay top dollar and for multiple years restricting their recruiting ability going forward I can see flaws in all this but no more than we have under the current system. Agree that clubs should never be forced to spend the majority of the cap. It makes no sense. But good luck changing that. The players union won’t go for it.
What everybody forgets. The salary cap was brought in to stop teams from going broke. Not to make the game fair and equal. And I personally would prefer if that was still the way it was governed. There are two stated aims by NRL operations. One as you say relates to clubs over spending, the other is "spreading the playing talent". The second one is where we are falling down badly. At a very minimum, to give some transparency, the NRL should publish the total TPAs for each club annually. Agreed they are failing. And they could find a way to have all salaries published. It would be hard but they most likely would succeed. The problem remains though. The players most likely don’t want to do it. We need to be careful not to cede too much power to the players at the expense of the game. The players can certainly make a nuisance of themselves short term, but in reality, with RL being such a small game internationally, and the NRL being the preeminent competition they really don't have too many alternatives. Players certainly do have an alternative. Rugby Union offers huge dollars. But yes, that is really the only alternative.
The players union is as strong as it has ever been and looks to be increasing is power in the game. For the good of the game changes need to be made. No alternative. A handful of players only and certainly no forwards
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A couple of things. Is Lumelume inferior to Okunbar? We could do without both I think Bailey Hayward. Is he the future? If so would he be better dropping back to age football. He is playing such a subservient role to BBO he is learning nothing.
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A very pedestrian start indeed. There seems to be no spark in their play at present.
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Declan Casey is looking a bit error prone. I hope he comes good.
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Ahhh… the old ‘strong tackle’ rule… #innovation…
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