From my point of view, I have no problem if the FA remove state federations.
My issue, and one for the whole game id who votes at AGM's EGM's and for the Board?
My view is it has to be by the Clubs, as it is done in every non-English speaking country.

Where has FA ever expressed a preference ?

JJ has a job to present options to the Board.

FA preference will only be known when the Board tell him which way to go.

type your messageI was thinking of the champions league proposal mentioned in aafcs february report (see page 20)

All I can tell everyone on this forum about a NSD is that it will happen.

Right now the FA is 100% behind it.

The campaign for a NSD is over. 

Clubs have been meeting with AAFC to see what they can do in a NSD, based on FA modelling.

Timetables are being put in place.

Models put out to the AAFC by FA, to work out what is doable.

I expect kickoff will be March 2024 (though a 2023 is not an impossibility), 2023 will see the agreement of a model, application process and selection.

Most importantly JJ is implementing a Football structure that we recognise as Football. Club Licencing, NSD, Pro/Rel, Domestic Transfer System...

A breath of fresh air....

That is just an option that is being costed and feasibility for presenting to Board

FA has not chosen it

Which is good for everyone.

I agree i just mentioned they seemed to have a preference and hope they change their mind to the aafc model

Do you know what is causing the delays and whether the aafc model has a good chance of getting up?

110% this.

The winter time slot that appears to have been mentioned for a NSD will be interesting.

It may be hard to find a way to find the right season structure to align this with the A-League for future P&R, but I guess they feel that this still goes a long way to getting things started. 

Sounds like good progress.

My view on the NSD being held in winter is to not throw out the current NPL seasons, and maybe using it as a test case for moving the A-league season to winter in the future.

sweet baby jesus music to my ears ! Thanks Arthur for the input.

Not to mine, I'm an atheist.

But it is quite like David Bowie...

Great stuff. I don't mind if the start gets pushed back a year if it means they get the model right (and that means a proper round-robin second division, not some Champions League thing). It would also give more time for clubs to get their house in order for bidding for a spot. It will be interesting to see if any new teams emerge to bid for spots. right now I can think of the following regions that don't really have any adequate NPL representation but could well prosper in an NSD:

- Canberra (unified team, potentially backed by the federation)
- Hobart (same)
- Geelong
- Townsville
- Cairns
- Penrith
- Ipswich
- Bendigo
- Ballarat
- Mandurah/Bunbury
- Darwin (distance may be an issue)
- Albury-Wodonga
- NSW north coast (Coffs Harbour etc.)

Of course, it depends what happens with A-League expansion. Potentially the A-League could get, say, Canberra and the Gold Coast in by 23-24, then any two from Hobart, Wollongong and Auckland a couple of years down the track. It would be good to have some coordination there so you don't end up with rival bids or whatever.

The NSD season should just be aligned with the NPL, and pro-rel start immediately. Just have two promotion spots every year, with post-season playoffs between the VIC/WA/SA/TAS and NSW/QLD/NNSW/ACT NPL winners to decide the two spots. Have one relegation spot from the NSD every year until it expands to 16 teams, then increase that to two relegation spots.

Pro-rel with the A-League will probably require the A-League to also switch to winter. This won't happen within the current broadcasting agreement, but it's an inevitability at some point (especially with climate change making summer increasingly unpalatable for top level sport). It could potentially come in around 2028, by which time hopefully both the A-League and the NSD have 16 teams. Then we'd really have a proper football pyramid on our hands.

NO to bidding

You reach the criteria, then the starting 12 are geographically balanced from the qualified applicants as per AAFC proposal

NO to taking any notice of APL bullshit and failing experiments
P&R sets the makeup from then on.

This. 

I mind Alot. Actually a shitload.
NSD keeps getting pushed back. Start with the CL model if they must then adjust as they go.
It's like a bride telling her driver to keep driving around the block, and the groom keeps getting made to feel like a shag on a rock.
All the guests at the church are restless and want to hurry upski.
Teams that should start by being there are fan favourites South Melbourne, Adelaide Utd, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Olympic, Marconi, Apia, Wollongong  Canberra, Tasmania, Qld team (Lions or Peninsula Power), Perth team (Florentine Athena), and two more for now.

I really hope 2023 is the start. It is probably at least 7 years before it trickles up to our national team and takes us to another level

Yep geographical representation can go and get farked.

This obsession with a rigged league is what got us in the shit in the first place.

As for round robins and CL formats get farked as well.

2 or 3 rounds (depending on number of teams) of home and away. Done.

And it destroys the competitiveness of Pro rel and serves no value. 

I think the value will be almost immediate. 7 years for full effect but undiscovered talent will rise straight away when they are competing with the best. 

That would be nice, but if its semi professional to start its hard to imagine a player going from the division to the roos before the next world cup

any idea what semi professional means? Does that mean some fulltime some part time? Or all part time? Or different mix for different teams?

tbh stuff the geography, it should just be the 12 best options who meet (and in most cases exceed the criteria). We only get one shot at this, so no point carrying a weak club just because its the only representative of its state. It will just give them an incentive to improve.  If it means only 2 or 3 states are represented then so be it. Better to have a strong league that survives based in a few locations that actually succeeds than one nationwide that fails.  

I will add that geography could be used as a tie breaker between two equal clubs, but that is all it should be used for

yer look lets just get the NSD going first up forget anything re Roo's for now agreed.

That last document I read mentioned a % of Clubs will be able to turn Pro whereas the balance of said 16 Club comp will be semi......
Obviously we all know nothing at this stage how this is going work, maybe its changed behind the scenes as discussions have developed.
Just can't wait to see once all is finally announced.
Arthur may have a good idea but likely cannot let it out of the kit bag at this stage.
Please be a proper H A comp.

Even one fully pro club makes a big difference imo. 

That would be great. Gotta get there first.

Do you have info on whether any clubs plan to be fully pro from the start?

Anyone have any ideas on how the NSD will interlace with the AL re P/R.

Will the 2034 licenses get in the way before then?

I've always thought the best model might be to plan for NSD promotion to the AL if we can't yet have full P/R. Aim for a 16 team league (in both divisions) with a winter league by 2034 and bob's your mum's brother.

Oh, and that would mean a 30 match league (2 rounds) in both.