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+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this.
There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations.
*Europe
Spain
England
France
Germany
Switzerland
I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010.
*Asia
Japan
South Korea
Australia
Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs?
*Africa
Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row?
*CONMEBOL
Brazil
Argentina
We stopped Uruguay in 2006.
*CONCACAF
Mexico
The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession?
It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten:
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018.
Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014.
Yes, it can be argued. And with relative ease simply because it's true. Consider how poorly Asian teams actually tend to do at the WC. Yes, it's great that Australia beat those countries. But it doesn't tell us much about how weak or strong tge AFC is. Sweden has beaten Spain, yet failed to qualify. North Macedonia has beaten Italy. Anything cam be claimed if you choose the right result. So let's look at actual results at the World Cup. How many Asian teams have got as far as the semi-finals of the WC this century? One. How many have made the quarters? Not many. It's bloody rare for them to get out of the group. I remember that Japan did in South Africa (?) and that waa fantastic, but rare, for our confederation. People on here love to say that North America is weak. Compared to Asia, it's not. They get fewer spots than Asia. Yet Mexico has the record, with Brazil, for most last 16 appearances at the WC. The USMNT are formidable and have somewhat recently got out of their group. Costa Rica has also recently made it to the last 16, possibly quarter-finals. And now Canada have qualified top. And yet, that's a weak confederation but Asia isn't? I would say Asia is now probably the weakest. Also, Decentric, the means of measuring success that you're using is problematic. Successive WC qualification is great but it's only one way of measuring success. And a somewhat unorhodox way, at that. For one thing, it's influenced by more than consistency. To a certain extent, it's a function of the level of difficulty of the route to the WC. Australia has qualified for five consecutive World Cups partly, at the very least, because it has one of the easiest pathways to the World Cup. You mention Croatia not qualifying in one WC. Since their qualification streak isn't so strong, is their any argument that they're weaker tham us? Meanwhile they have actually played in a World Cup final. Consecutive qualifications are great. But they don't say that much about the strength of the team
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+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious.
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+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Decentric has said before he finished playing in 1974.
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I couldn't be arsed watching the video (or whatever it is) but I doubt we really are in decline.
Absolutely, there are problems, but also reasons to be hopeful (if not cheerful).
For me, the biggest problems with the game are only two:
- the expense for young players in the rep system (which means we are probably missing out on plenty of decent prospects); and
- the lack of a fully integrated pyramid.
In fact I suspect that the creation of the latter may eventually lead to a resolution of the first. If it does, then THAT is when football finally wakes from its sleeping giant slumber to dominate the back pages and turn us into a top 15 country.
Mind you, I'm the sort of chap who says a drop in a glass is 1% full...
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+xI couldn't be arsed watching the video (or whatever it is) but I doubt we really are in decline. Absolutely, there are problems, but also reasons to be hopeful (if not cheerful). For me, the biggest problems with the game are only two: - the expense for young players in the rep system (which means we are probably missing out on plenty of decent prospects); and - the lack of a fully integrated pyramid. In fact I suspect that the creation of the latter may eventually lead to a resolution of the first. If it does, then THAT is when football finally wakes from its sleeping giant slumber to dominate the back pages and turn us into a top 15 country. Mind you, I'm the sort of chap who says a drop in a glass is 1% full... those sound like the toughest problems to solve! a nsd, the recent expansion, the ntc graduates and (hopefully) boost in interest in the a league due to a world cup, the end of covid and at least one nice marquee do look like some green shoots
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+xIt can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten
Ok, I won't agree that point even though I believe it to be a legitimate agrument (also quickflick makes/made the agrument already). So I pose this counter-question.... How many of the past 5 WC's would Australia realistically qualified for if they had to qualify via... (1) Europe?? (2) South America?? (3) North America?? (4) Africa??
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+x+xIt can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten
Ok, I won't agree that point even though I believe it to be a legitimate agrument (also quickflick makes/made the agrument already). So I pose this counter-question.... How many of the past 5 WC's would Australia realistically qualified for if they had to qualify via... (1) Europe?? (2) South America?? (3) North America?? (4) Africa?? 1 - not many 2 - probably most of them 3 - probably all of them 4 - probably many of them To finish in the play off in south america means being as good as peru this round and then playing against afc opposition. Africa have a bit of randomness to their qualification route which means it isn't always the best 5 making it
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+x+xIt can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten
Ok, I won't agree that point even though I believe it to be a legitimate agrument (also quickflick makes/made the agrument already). So I pose this counter-question.... How many of the past 5 WC's would Australia realistically qualified for if they had to qualify via... (1) Europe?? (2) South America?? (3) North America?? (4) Africa?? The FIFA rankings are far from perfect, but if you simply use those to answer the above question... we'd do alright. Europe would be problematic.
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+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Fair comment, MSC. Played underage state rep, NPL youth and NPL senior level. Coached junior suburban, state feeder rep underage teams, adult women, country club Tech Dir and was an NPL club Tech Dir. Not so much this season, but have watched a lot of NPL senior level football. Grew up in England until age 10, supporting Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers. Also, supported my local town team - Glastonbury. I used to watch them live in 1965 and 1966. For most of the A L have supported Melb Vic, and then changed to Melb City a few years back. Plus I've recently wanted to see CCM do well.
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+x+xIt can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten
Ok, I won't agree that point even though I believe it to be a legitimate agrument (also quickflick makes/made the agrument already). So I pose this counter-question.... How many of the past 5 WC's would Australia realistically qualified for if they had to qualify via... (1) Europe?? (2) South America?? (3) North America?? (4) Africa?? It is difficult to speculate. Factually, we've beaten two South American teams in sudden death WC play offs, and beaten 1 CONCACAF team in a play off, in qualifying for five successive World Cups. Europe has some very difficult groups at times. It would be extremely tough to qualify in one of the hard European groups, or even come second for a play off place. However, Denmark's group was easier than others.
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+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this.
There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations.
*Europe
Spain
England
France
Germany
Switzerland
I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010.
*Asia
Japan
South Korea
Australia
Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs?
*Africa
Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row?
*CONMEBOL
Brazil
Argentina
We stopped Uruguay in 2006.
*CONCACAF
Mexico
The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession?
It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten:
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018.
Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014.
Also, Decentric, the means of measuring success that you're using is problematic. Successive WC qualification is great but it's only one way of measuring success. And a somewhat unorhodox way, at that. For one thing, it's influenced by more than consistency. To a certain extent, it's a function of the level of difficulty of the route to the WC. Australia has qualified for five consecutive World Cups partly, at the very least, because it has one of the easiest pathways to the World Cup. You mention Croatia not qualifying in one WC. Since their qualification streak isn't so strong, is their any argument that they're weaker tham us? Meanwhile they have actually played in a World Cup final. Consecutive qualifications are great. But they don't say that much about the strength of the team I think I'm correct in that Australia has only qualified for 2 WCs in succession via Asia. 3 times we've knocked out intercontinental opposition in the last 5WCQing campaigns. The consequent logical proposition, is that the opposition has been worse than us. So as the 5th ranked Asian team, we've beaten successive CONCACAF and CONMEBOL teams in sudden death play offs. It isn't a perfect argument, but still a plausible one, that the 5th ranked Asian teams, us, have been better than the 5th ranked South American team, 2022, and 4th ranked CONCACAF, 2018. In 2006, Aus as Oceania champ, again defeated the 5th ranked South American team. So in 3 out of 5 successive WCs, Australia has had to beat intercontinental competition to qualify for the WC. I take the perspective advanced from Football Aus Tech Dept, that so many football nations keep improving and closing the gap on the better nations. I also don't subscribe to the notion, that an absolute case can be made, that where a player plays their club football extrapolates to their worth as an international footballer. Many fans do. I use objective football specific performance based criteria to analyse players. It might be a bit elitist, but not many have made the time and commitment to undertake that level of coach education - and - coached at state feeder rep and NPL level. Scott McDonald, Dukes, Harry Kewell had records that indicated they were better club players than international players. If Harry had been 10 years younger, he may have been our greatest international player - if he had started in 2007 instead of 1997. Milligan, Jade North, Sainsbury, Spira and Matt McKay, have probably been better, or achieved more at the highest level of international football - World Cup level - than club level.
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I think one big issue in Australia, is football fans talk the local game down.
We have Eurosnobs who won't watch local football, A League, even ones heavily involved with NPL clubs. A lot of coaches I've met across Australia, prefer to watch EPL than local pro football.
Bitter fans, associated with old NSL ethnic clubs, won't follow A League. They feel left out without promo and releg.
One thing with this video that is very positive, is that a number of English fans and stakeholders even more heavily involved, are thrilled Australia, their English speaking mates from the Antipodes, have qualified for 5 successive World Cups. Of course they know how hard qualification can be in Europe. And they recognise beating Peru, 5th on the WCQ CONMEBOL table, is a notable achievement.
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+x+x+xIt can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten
Ok, I won't agree that point even though I believe it to be a legitimate agrument (also quickflick makes/made the agrument already). So I pose this counter-question.... How many of the past 5 WC's would Australia realistically qualified for if they had to qualify via... (1) Europe?? (2) South America?? (3) North America?? (4) Africa?? The FIFA rankings are far from perfect, but if you simply use those to answer the above question... we'd do alright. Europe would be problematic. I think we'd be the Scotland of Europe. Thissssssss close all of the time. Everywhere else we'd do OK. Merely hypothetical though this line of thought. I'm 100% convinced however that more teams, many more games & an actual football pyramid we'd do much better at World Cup's. Austraian football has to stop playing the pathetic victim & acquiescing to the eggball cultural mentality. This mentality is very,very limited due to the narrow worldview of eggball in general. If more people play football in Australia than any other sport by a fair margin ask yourself why it is so limited in crowds, ratings & general progression from an administrative standpoint. Decline? Absolutely not.
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+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this.
There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations.
*Europe
Spain
England
France
Germany
Switzerland
I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010.
*Asia
Japan
South Korea
Australia
Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs?
*Africa
Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row?
*CONMEBOL
Brazil
Argentina
We stopped Uruguay in 2006.
*CONCACAF
Mexico
The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession?
It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten:
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018.
Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014.
Yes, it can be argued. And with relative ease simply because it's true. Consider how poorly Asian teams actually tend to do at the WC. Yes, it's great that Australia beat those countries. But it doesn't tell us much about how weak or strong tge AFC is. Sweden has beaten Spain, yet failed to qualify. North Macedonia has beaten Italy. Anything cam be claimed if you choose the right result. So let's look at actual results at the World Cup. How many Asian teams have got as far as the semi-finals of the WC this century? One. How many have made the quarters? Not many. It's bloody rare for them to get out of the group. I remember that Japan did in South Africa (?) and that waa fantastic, but rare, for our confederation. People on here love to say that North America is weak. Compared to Asia, it's not. They get fewer spots than Asia. Yet Mexico has the record, with Brazil, for most last 16 appearances at the WC. The USMNT are formidable and have somewhat recently got out of their group. Costa Rica has also recently made it to the last 16, possibly quarter-finals. And now Canada have qualified top. And yet, that's a weak confederation but Asia isn't? I would say Asia is now probably the weakest. Very selective criteria, by your own standards, QF. How many times have 4th placed CONCACAF beaten intercontinental opposition, 5th placed Asian and CONMEBOL on their respective WCQ tables, to qualify for WCs outside Oceanian opposition? Mexico is their one consistent nation. They must be close to qualifying for a powerhouse. Impressive that they record most last WC 16 appearances along with Brazil? I'm surprised they have more than Germany and Italy? What a fantastic achievement! Japan and South Korea are possibly Asia's best? I doubt any other CONCACAF nation, outside Mexico, has their consistency of WCQualification and exceed their performance at WCs? Is there/has there ever been a scenario where multiple African teams progress past the group stages at WCs? Finally, Chile were the notable exception at the 2014 WC with a Golden Generation. But outside the big three of Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay, few other CONMEBOL teams have been constant performers in breaking out of group stages at WC level either. Given the small standing football has in the Australian psyche, compared to so many other sports, Australia possibly punches above it's weight more than anyone else. Hence, we can't be going as backwards as many like to think. I think it may be a question of us progressing more slowly than some of our Asian counterparts - willing to invest a lot more resources into football than us. Too many resources in Australia go into sports others don't play. Ditto media. For a national coach Arnie, and his assistant, Meulensteen, to publicly state they, and the Socceroos, have far more detractors than supporters in Australia is a very sad phenomenon. I remember this was even brought up before the 2010 WC. Irish and English commentators stated when Aus beat Ireland in a friendly, that Pim was an unpopular coach in Australia. It wouldn't extrapolate to England or Ireland with his WCQing record coaching the Socceroos.
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+x+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this.
There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations.
*Europe
Spain
England
France
Germany
Switzerland
I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010.
*Asia
Japan
South Korea
Australia
Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs?
*Africa
Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row?
*CONMEBOL
Brazil
Argentina
We stopped Uruguay in 2006.
*CONCACAF
Mexico
The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession?
It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten:
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018.
Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014.
Yes, it can be argued. And with relative ease simply because it's true. Consider how poorly Asian teams actually tend to do at the WC. Yes, it's great that Australia beat those countries. But it doesn't tell us much about how weak or strong tge AFC is. Sweden has beaten Spain, yet failed to qualify. North Macedonia has beaten Italy. Anything cam be claimed if you choose the right result. So let's look at actual results at the World Cup. How many Asian teams have got as far as the semi-finals of the WC this century? One. How many have made the quarters? Not many. It's bloody rare for them to get out of the group. I remember that Japan did in South Africa (?) and that waa fantastic, but rare, for our confederation. People on here love to say that North America is weak. Compared to Asia, it's not. They get fewer spots than Asia. Yet Mexico has the record, with Brazil, for most last 16 appearances at the WC. The USMNT are formidable and have somewhat recently got out of their group. Costa Rica has also recently made it to the last 16, possibly quarter-finals. And now Canada have qualified top. And yet, that's a weak confederation but Asia isn't? I would say Asia is now probably the weakest. For a national coach Arnie, and his assistant, Meulensteen, to publicly state they, and the Socceroos, have far more detractors than supporters in Australia is a very sad phenomenon. The problem with "social" media & what passes for football journalism in Australia is that it gives a very narrow view of what the average football fan feels about the national team. They'll always support them no matter what however nor should they keep silent about what was obviously happening towards the end of the World Cup campaign.
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+x+x+x+xIt can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten
Ok, I won't agree that point even though I believe it to be a legitimate agrument (also quickflick makes/made the agrument already). So I pose this counter-question.... How many of the past 5 WC's would Australia realistically qualified for if they had to qualify via... (1) Europe?? (2) South America?? (3) North America?? (4) Africa?? The FIFA rankings are far from perfect, but if you simply use those to answer the above question... we'd do alright. Europe would be problematic. I think we'd be the Scotland of Europe. Thissssssss close all of the time. Everywhere else we'd do OK. Merely hypothetical though this line of thought. I'm 100% convinced however that more teams, many more games & an actual football pyramid we'd do much better at World Cup's. Austraian football has to stop playing the pathetic victim & acquiescing to the eggball cultural mentality. This mentality is very,very limited due to the narrow worldview of eggball in general. If more people play football in Australia than any other sport by a fair margin ask yourself why it is so limited in crowds, ratings & general progression from an administrative standpoint. Decline? Absolutely not. After QF cited the difficulty in qualifying through Europe, I had a look at a lot of the UEFA qualifying tables. I found it fascinating. Scotland came second in an easier UEFA WCQ group. I might be wrong on one of the groups, but I think Denmark, Holland and possibly either Germany or Spain, appeared to have easier qualifying UEFA groups. Not much opposition, on paper, to them, the one powerhouse in the group. Some other UEFA WCQs were really, really tough. They often had one powerhouse, then three tough nations, similar quality to probably Japan or South Korea in an Asian context, all in the same group. Each UEFA group has only one direct qualifier to the WC. Second ranked then have to enter sudden death play offs. I think one UEFA group might have had a powerhouse, then something like three similar quality teams to Poland, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Turkey, Georgia, Israel and Sweden - all in the same group. Very tough group! Teams like Georgia ( my memory isn't great) won a few big games against decent opposition in WCQers too. Of course their rankings change quite quickly in short periods of time in UEFA. There was one bizarre scenario, where I think Hungary finished 4th or 5th in their WCQ group. Then they thrashed England 5-0, or something similar, in the League Of Nations a few weeks ago! England qualified for Qatar easily - again in what appeared to be a relatively easy UEFA WCQ group. That Italy have missed out on two successive WCs, is incredible. I think they won the European Championships in between too. I take QF's point how strong UEFA is and how hard it is to qualify for a WC in a number of UEFA groups. I also think Italy, even not playing at their best, would probably qualify for the WC in all other continents in 2018 and 2022. Not only would Australia struggle to qualify in some UEFA WC groups, but almost any teams outside UEFA, apart from Brazil and Argentina. Even consistent WC qualifiers, Uruguay and Mexico, our own Japan and South Korea, would find some UEFA WCQ groups really tough too. However, I disagree with QF's proposition that the Asian top teams are weak compared to other football confederations outside Europe. UEFA's depth is phenomenal compared to any other football confederation.
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Glastonbury might explain D's robotic approach to football- must be a few wacky substances floating around there at certain times of year.
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+x+xIt can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten
Ok, I won't agree that point even though I believe it to be a legitimate agrument (also quickflick makes/made the agrument already). So I pose this counter-question.... How many of the past 5 WC's would Australia realistically qualified for if they had to qualify via... (1) Europe?? (2) South America?? (3) North America?? (4) Africa?? 1 - 0 2- 0 3 - 5 4 - maybe 2
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It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten....
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football. I dont dis-agree with some of your other points but this is just the 'dumbest' point i have read in a long time. AFC is poor the last world cup 1 team made it to the round of 16 which went out the next round in 2014 0 teams made it out of the group stage with a total THREE points scored between the 4 nations from the AFC.... 2010 it faired better with both Japan and S.korea making it out of the group stage in which both got knocked out at the round of 16 2006 0 afc teams made it out of the group Aus represented OFC in the last 4 world cups AFC have had 3 teams make to the rd of 16 out of 17 attempts - that fat alone tells you how shit the confederation is 0 sides made it any further then the last 16 - there is a real chance 0 out of 5 will make it out of the group in Qatar
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It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten....
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football. I dont dis-agree with some of your other points but this is just the 'dumbest' point i have read in a long time. AFC is poor the last world cup 1 team made it to the round of 16 which went out the next round in 2014 0 teams made it out of the group stage with a total THREE points scored between the 4 nations from the AFC.... 2010 it faired better with both Japan and S.korea making it out of the group stage in which both got knocked out at the round of 16 2006 0 afc teams made it out of the group Aus represented OFC in the last 4 world cups AFC have had 3 teams make to the rd of 16 out of 17 attempts - that fat alone tells you how shit the confederation is 0 sides made it any further then the last 16 - there is a real chance 0 out of 5 will make it out of the group in Qatar I mean most confederations have poor results at the world cup outside the top teams except europe North Korea have made the quarter finals (1966) South korea has made the 4 and the 16 (only nation outside europe and south america to make the semis, yes I know people complain about the refereeing they always do) Japan have made the 16 3 times Australia have made the 16 Saudi Arabia have made the 16 (1994) Cutting things off at post 1960, concacaf has awful depth with only 3 nations making it past the group stage, though mexico and costa rica both made the quarters. Africa have 6 nations that have made it past the group stage, with 3 making the quarters I would say africa and asia are quite similar and concacaf is the weakest confederation outside oceania, especially if you put weight on depth
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It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten....
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football. I dont dis-agree with some of your other points but this is just the 'dumbest' point i have read in a long time. AFC is poor the last world cup 1 team made it to the round of 16 which went out the next round in 2014 0 teams made it out of the group stage with a total THREE points scored between the 4 nations from the AFC.... 2010 it faired better with both Japan and S.korea making it out of the group stage in which both got knocked out at the round of 16 2006 0 afc teams made it out of the group Aus represented OFC in the last 4 world cups AFC have had 3 teams make to the rd of 16 out of 17 attempts - that fat alone tells you how shit the confederation is 0 sides made it any further then the last 16 - there is a real chance 0 out of 5 will make it out of the group in Qatar I would say africa and asia are quite similar and concacaf is the weakest confederation outside oceania, especially if you put weight on depth Both confederations are s**t but AFC is shitter when you put it into context ill try explain - Africa have a 'few' more big names 'as does Asia' but overall Africa has a problem that Asia is biggest strength and they wont ever fix it and the short answer is 'no money'. Thus they have few 'big' players and everyon generally garbage opposed to he bigger Asian nations which all have cashed and a base level of quality from their domestic leagues the lack of money or in other words resources to build quality leagues, structures/pathways and coaches, grounds etc add in content instability in the region - you dont see big marquees heading to Africa to play...this wont change anytime soon, off the top of my head i could only name a handful of African clubs and they are mostly junk leagues Asia in comparison has 'loads' of money thrown at football China, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar to lesser extents Japan, s.korea etc - i read somewhere a Saudi club is offering CR7 120m pounds or 240m AUD a season to play for them, i think i remember Tevez getting 30m to play a few seasons in the CSL, add in names like Oscar, Hulk and managers like AVB and Lippi etc this is unheard of in Africa no one can throw that kind of money around on football... thus both confederations are garbage but Africa has more of a 'reason' to be garbage then Asia. This world cup bar Senegal i dont expect much from African teams and to be fair i never do - sometimes one might surprise you but generally they flop, but they do 'preform' slightly better then Asian teams historically and it is because most sides do have a few 'top quality' players that usually get developed in France or other parts of Europe but coaching, structure etc all are lacking thus i dont think they will ever win a world cup without some nation having like a miracle golden generation as they simply dont have the resources to ever be serious contenders.
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academies for privileged kids who really aren't good enough
absolutely spot on
I've written many times that it's a myth that we need more coaches, more parkland, more facilities, more academies, etc - pure myth
What's missing is a culture of kids wanting to play with a round ball 24/7 - that's the key thing missing - everything else is window dressing.
those dirt poor kids in the Brazilian favelas, playing barefoot, playing on any surface they can find (never on grass), playing with absolutely zero facilities and coaches, will all be better than 99.99% of all aussie kids, for one reason, and one reason alone - they have a culture of playing the game 24/7.
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+xacademies for privileged kids who really aren't good enough absolutely spot on I've written many times that it's a myth that we need more coaches, more parkland, more facilities, more academies, etc - pure myth What's missing is a culture of kids wanting to play with a round ball 24/7 - that's the key thing missing - everything else is window dressing. those dirt poor kids in the Brazilian favelas, playing barefoot, playing on any surface they can find (never on grass), playing with absolutely zero facilities and coaches, will all be better than 99.99% of all aussie kids, for one reason, and one reason alone - they have a culture of playing the game 24/7. That's an outdated mentality to think kids here will need play football 24/7 like they do in Brazil when changes to society along with the challenges of other sports still lingering around. It needs an modern approach for this modern problem which no one has answers for, even the likes of big countries such as Germany are struggling to deal with which is why big changes have been made in SSGs which Australia should look more closely at.
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yes agreed Barca its about adpating to the times and approach. In saying that I don't think its that hard making the decision for the better, the problem is the culture inbedded for so so long and politics we have here due to so many barriers that have become especially having 2/3 other sports that take the lions share of the limelight/$$$'s and Gov backing. The inbedded culture of our own Feds and above pre JJ and later times AL followed by APL. They all want their piece of the pie and not caring what it causes. Another point is putting as much as a stop as you can to the inner Club politics and grading at YL levels. Club TD's and all involved need to be put over the coals and make trials a happier environment and pick players on merit farfar more than its been. Kids today arn't putting up with this shit anymore nor parents. JJ needs to get ALL levels together bang their heads together and push down their throats our game at management levels need to wake up and change our kulcha to a fair todays world experience so as we don't keep losing so many potentials. The costs are not fair as mentioned by many, build a better environment more participate recovering the financial set backs. Davstar I'm with you on D's counters for the record.
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+x+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Fair comment, MSC. Played underage state rep, NPL youth and NPL senior level. Coached junior suburban, state feeder rep underage teams, adult women, country club Tech Dir and was an NPL club Tech Dir. Not so much this season, but have watched a lot of NPL senior level football. Grew up in England until age 10, supporting Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers. Also, supported my local town team - Glastonbury. I used to watch them live in 1965 and 1966. For most of the A L have supported Melb Vic, and then changed to Melb City a few years back. Plus I've recently wanted to see CCM do well. Hey Decentric, thanks for taking the time to respond. Sounds like you are a poor, lost, "football tragic" soul like most here.... :)
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+xacademies for privileged kids who really aren't good enough absolutely spot on I've written many times that it's a myth that we need more coaches, more parkland, more facilities, more academies, etc - pure myth What's missing is a culture of kids wanting to play with a round ball 24/7 - that's the key thing missing - everything else is window dressing. those dirt poor kids in the Brazilian favelas, playing barefoot, playing on any surface they can find (never on grass), playing with absolutely zero facilities and coaches, will all be better than 99.99% of all aussie kids, for one reason, and one reason alone - they have a culture of playing the game 24/7. My thoughts exactly Bettega..... CULTURE isn't a dirty word for "ethnicity" its about the love of the club and the game above all else.... Another myth is population pool from which to draw talented athletes..... When you see the achievements on the world stage of countries like Croatia, Portugal, Uruguay etc, etc etc
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+x+x+x+xOne argument in particular to counter the essence of this video, with quite a few populist, but spurious premises, is this. There are only 9-11 teams that have qualified for the last five World Cups in succession. There are 2008, possibly more now, registered FIFA football playing nations. *Europe Spain England France Germany Switzerland I'm not sure if Portugal have achieved this too? I know Croatia missed out in 2010. *Asia Japan South Korea Australia Have Iran qualified for the last five WCs? *Africa Now that Nigeria has failed to qualify for the Qatar WC, I'm not sure any African football nation has achieved five successive WCs in a row? *CONMEBOL Brazil Argentina We stopped Uruguay in 2006. *CONCACAF Mexico The next question should be posed, why have Australia qualified five times in succession? It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten: CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022. Australia has also beaten CONCACAF once in a sudden WC death intercontinental play off - against Honduras in 2018. Australia have only directly qualified via Asian WCQers exclusively - twice - in 2010 and 2014. One of the reasons, not touched on by any of the 6 GGs in a video posted on here, is that the National Curriculum has been installed. It has put great emphasis on training Aussie coaches and having quality European powerhouse based coach education imparted in Australia. Prior to Rob Baan and Han Berger's Football Aus TD tenures, coaching was ad hoc all over the country. There was no consistency whatsoever. There might have been good coaching occurring at one club, or with one team, or a team in a suburb close by, but there was a lot of shonky coaching occurring in many settings. This was because there was no national coaching system established with European based methodology to ensure a mandated level of quality everywhere. This has led to far better tactical coaching by Aussie trained domestic coaches - in the Socceroos, Matildas, A League, W League, A L Academies, NPL clubs - senior, youth, junior. Any coach who does C Licence ( Semi - Pro and Pro) and beyond, has to undertake comprehensive match analysis training, and, has been trained to plan coaching sessions on the training track, based on those problems identified in the match performance of a team. When, Who, Where, Why, What, How? To use some technical terms: *There are three thirds of the pitch where coaches have to analyse Ball Possession and Ball Possession Opposition performance based on the previous game, or groups of games that a coach's team plays. * Four man moments - BP, BPO, Attacking and Defensive Transitions. * Communication and structure to organise teams. In Ball Possession formations can evolve depending on the phases of play - eg 4-4-2 Ball Possession Opposition, 4- 2-3-1 in back and middle third of the pitch in Ball Possession, then evolving to 4-3-3 alternating with 4-2-4 in the attacking third of the pitch for Ball Possession, reverting to 4-4-2 in Defensive Transition. The Socceroos did this against Peru, and particularly in the first half peruvian coach Gareco was going ballistic, because he couldn't counter the Aussie game plan. Ostensibly, Gareco is a master coach in South America, but he struggled to combat Arnie's game plan. Meanwhile, Peru used a simple 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle in Possession and and a 1:4 midfield 4-5-1 in BPO - a simple game plan to negate. I think I'm correct in advancing this, but only the Czech coach of SFC after Kosmina and Butcher, has had any success since about 2010 when Aussie coaches were inculcated with the European powerhouse methodology from Football Aus coach education. Since I think it has only been the parent countries of the national curriculum coach education, that have succeeded in Australia - French, Dutch, Spanish or German - which is a amalgam of how Aussie domestic coaches have been trained. Despite not having improved technique greatly ( which takes a long time), until the recent graduates of about 8 years of Skills Acquisition Program have started coming through in the last few years at under 23 and senior level, tactically our teams are usually very good. Moreover, Australian national Under 16s, Under 17s, Under 20s and Under 23s, play a similar structure and formations as each other. It is easier for players to adapt to national team game plans as players progress through the underage ranks. Australian teams in 2022, are able to play far better as team units, than even in 2006. No matter how man GGs we had playing in European leagues, they were inexperienced playing international football until Pim's WCQ campaign starting in 2008. Playing 2 big sudden death games against Oceanian opposition, 2 big intercontinental two legged sudden death knocked out games, plus 3 games at the Federation Cup, amounted to 7 meaningful competitive games prior to the 2008- 2010 Asian WCQing campaign. _Now we play something like 20 WCQers. - 3 games at the WC -Circa 8 Asian Cup qualifiers -3-7 games at the Asian Cup *7 meaningful games every four years pre 2006 for the Socceroos. Now the Socceroos play 35 - 40 meaningful games every 4 years! The latter scenario is going to create a much more cohesive, battle hardened, match savvy team unit. The video claims that the Socceroos were used to big games at club level with the GG. True. But they weren't at international level. Our worst performance in the Asian Cup tournament was probably 2007, where the GG struggled. Decentric, with respect, can I ask are you a fan of the game of football? Im curious to know if you had a childhood obsession with the sport, a favourite club or clubs? A player you idolised growing up perhaps and pretended to be playing in the backyard or at school with mates? I dont mean with an analytical, calculating accountants perspective which you clearly enjoy that aspect of. Just wanting to understand the motivation behind the methodology. DId you ever play, or actively support a club? I pretty much disagree with the majority of your opinions and that reflects on the way I view the game as opposed to the way you do. I am by no means under the illusion that I am right (not even half the time) and you are wrong, its just that your approach to the sport is so foreign to me. Im not trying to be insulting in any way btw, genuinely curious. Fair comment, MSC. Played underage state rep, NPL youth and NPL senior level. Coached junior suburban, state feeder rep underage teams, adult women, country club Tech Dir and was an NPL club Tech Dir. Not so much this season, but have watched a lot of NPL senior level football. Grew up in England until age 10, supporting Liverpool and Glasgow Rangers. Also, supported my local town team - Glastonbury. I used to watch them live in 1965 and 1966. For most of the A L have supported Melb Vic, and then changed to Melb City a few years back. Plus I've recently wanted to see CCM do well. https://forum.insidesport.com.au/FindPost2738505.aspx WTF did I just read?!
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It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten....
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football. I dont dis-agree with some of your other points but this is just the 'dumbest' point i have read in a long time. AFC is poor the last world cup 1 team made it to the round of 16 which went out the next round in 2014 0 teams made it out of the group stage with a total THREE points scored between the 4 nations from the AFC.... 2010 it faired better with both Japan and S.korea making it out of the group stage in which both got knocked out at the round of 16 2006 0 afc teams made it out of the group Aus represented OFC in the last 4 world cups AFC have had 3 teams make to the rd of 16 out of 17 attempts - that fat alone tells you how shit the confederation is 0 sides made it any further then the last 16 - there is a real chance 0 out of 5 will make it out of the group in Qatar South korea has made the 4 and the 16 ( only nation outside europe and south america to make the semis, yes I know people complain about the refereeing they always do) *Cough* USA have also made the semis. 1930 FIFA World Cup knockout stage - Wikipedia
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Looks like the conversation got too interesting and amicable for some of the odder voices on the net. Decentrics creepy stalkers are back
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It can't be argued that Asia is simply a weak Confederation. That is because Australia has beaten....
CONMEBOL twice in WC sudden death play offs - against Uruguay 2006 and Peru 2022.
tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football. I dont dis-agree with some of your other points but this is just the 'dumbest' point i have read in a long time. AFC is poor the last world cup 1 team made it to the round of 16 which went out the next round in 2014 0 teams made it out of the group stage with a total THREE points scored between the 4 nations from the AFC.... 2010 it faired better with both Japan and S.korea making it out of the group stage in which both got knocked out at the round of 16 2006 0 afc teams made it out of the group Aus represented OFC in the last 4 world cups AFC have had 3 teams make to the rd of 16 out of 17 attempts - that fat alone tells you how shit the confederation is 0 sides made it any further then the last 16 - there is a real chance 0 out of 5 will make it out of the group in Qatar South korea has made the 4 and the 16 ( only nation outside europe and south america to make the semis, yes I know people complain about the refereeing they always do) *Cough* USA have also made the semis. 1930 FIFA World Cup knockout stage - Wikipedia True, though i specify a cutoff at 1960, the post ww2 world changed so much from the pre ww2 era it seemed sensible. You are right though that over the history of the wc there are 4 confeds with semi finalists
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