Maybe in pims case? I remember under osieck our gg aging rapidly and worrying for the entire time about what happens when our gg inevitably declined

having said that, i remember when holger selected kruse and mckay out of the a league. It changed how i viewed the a league, probably had that effect on other fans

Im not saying his coaching on the pitch was a disaster, the results were impressive in his era

but the way i looked at the a league changed notably when osieck played a league standouts (only 2, but they performed well against stars playing in europe)

that was a critical time for the a league. Pims comments reflect his selection policy which was during a vulnerable time for oz football. But if we choose a coach with a different attitude towards the a league those comments arent changed and we probably keep the crowd momentum going

But how often did they play in meaningful games? Osieck had the job for 4 years so had to cap a few in that time. He still mostly stuck doggedly to his favourites after their use-by dates.

Osieck was terrible. Ange making that team so competitive in the 2014 world cup was a miracle. 

Cringe at that memory of him. 

https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/stats-behind-socceroos-successful-shootout

There was talk of introducing a tennis tie-breaker format to try and make it more even.

https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/football-to-trial-penalty-shootouts-modelled-on-tennis-tiebreakers/bmetq7n6y

Interesting concept.

It could work well!

I've always thought Holger was easily our worst coach since 2005 ( apart from the younger, inexperienced  Arnie in 2006/7 for a few months).

At  the time of  Holger's appointment I was involved in the Football Fed Aus structure, coaching at the lowest echelons. Given we were so focused on a new amalgam of new German/Dutch/Spanish /French methodology, I was amazed we had employed Holger as a coach. 

When I asked the most senior coach educators in the country for Football Australia, the rationale for  Holger's  appointment, it was argued, was that so many of the then Euroroos  and particularly  A League Socceroos at the time, were not familiar with our Western European based 4-3-3 development system. Hence, it didn't matter that we had a coach  who was unfamiliar with the style of football Australia was trying to develop in the underage ranks and the A League.

I was perplexed! For anyone else who met Han Berger, he was quite doctrinaire and pedantic.

After Holger's sacking, Gallop sacking him (it should have been the Football Aus Tech Dir's job, Berger's), at a big national Football Aus conference, Berger as the  keynote speaker for the entire event, defended  Holger's tenure. He blamed our low calibre of Aussie players for our thrashings against France and Brazil!

Yet by the time time Ange was appointed as coach and introduced  some new A League players to the  Socceroos, like Franjic and Alex Wilkinson, they had come from A League scenarios where they had accessed the new direction of coaching in Australia that the peak national football body advocated.

I think Ange did quite a lot to develop almost the same pool of players, that Holger had at the end of his Socceroo tenure.  If Brazil and France were powerhouses, so were Spain, Holland and Chile we played at the 2014 WC. Both the latter two only just beat us. Credit to Ange.

Can't remember if I've already posted this in this thread (apologies if I have), but Peruvian coach Ricardo Gareco, (reputed as a South American master coach) said he found it hard to coach Peru effectively against Aus, and for the team to  negate  Arnie's cleverly formulated, and complex game plan.
 
I read this in a Peruvian publication.

Whatever our many shortcomings are, it is  nice to read that we are tactically astute,  evaluated by quality opponents.

Do you have a link to the article?

Graham did get his tactics bang on. Australia with one if it's best performances in their campaign and Peru with their worst. 

You could sense very early the Peruvians didn't like how Australia were holding up and winning a lot of duels and moving the ball around. Their coach had a lot of frustration in his body language. 

No offence to Arnie, as his tactic were spot on.
But I think this praise may also be a little about the fact Gareco completely under-prepared for the game, and hes trying to now save face.
Acclimatisation, formation, tactics, player selections, I felt like he was just a spectator at the game.

Pretty sure I've said this before...

I was more confident against Peru than I was against UAE. I suspected they wouldn't travel well and we were well acclimatised to Qatar.

I also suspected they might underestimate us and clearly they did. If they'd put some pressure on Mooy he might not have had the effortless control he seemed to have. Really set us up for a win and, while I think we were the better side over 90 and 120 minutes... we still could have lost.

Mind you, we were ranked 42 and they were ranked 21. Great effort Arnie and the boys.

Seeing their shots against New Zealand I feared one or two goals for them taken clinically that we could only dream of. Knowing Wright and Rowles were to play had me shaking but I'm so proud of how they remained focused for the vast majority of the time. Everyone lifted that night. In the end it was incredibly close and I think our lift and Peru's drop was at a fairly similar rate hence the rest. 

Sorry, can only cut and paste articles to  FB, FB Messenger and Texts.

There was only a sentence or two on this topic from Gareco in the article though. I think he was genuinely shocked and frustrated, probably based on how they beat us in Russia 2018 WC.

Nearly everything I read in English in the Peruvian media, subsequent to, and  after, the Aus/Peru fixture,  was they seemed to expect it was a  formality they were going to sweep us aside. They seem  so shocked they lost! I think 90% of Peruvians, from what I've seen in their media, thought they just had to turn up, easily beat us, then qualify for the World Cup.

Apart from Uruguay  in 2005, and again Peru in 2022, both suffering losses to the Socceroos, South American 5th placed teams seem to have won every play off against Oceania, CONCACAF and Asia, since 1978. In a span of 40 years, they've only lost twice in WC intercontinental play offs - both times to Australia. No wonder  Peru was overconfident.

I think Gareco was particularly  frustrated in the first half.

Peru  struggled to penetrate  Australia's defensive shape when they had the ball. I think they only had 1 shot at goal in the first 45 minutes.

There was nothing subtle or unusual about Australia's 4-4-2 flat midfield in our Ball Possession Opposition phase of play. However, the shape was compact with ideal distancing between and within those lines, particularly in the first half.

Also, Arnie cleverly mixed up a 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle in Ball Possession, alternating with a 4-2-4  at times.  This is much, much more complex.

Peru had trouble tracking  Irvine. At times he sat in a  defensive midfield line with Mooy as Aus played a 4-2-4 in possession in attack.

At other times he moved up in a twin number ten or attacking  midfield  line with Hrustic, whilst Duke was the central target striker in an attacking midfield triangle version of the 4-3-3.

Moreover, alternating between the 4-4-2 flat midfield  Ball Possession Opposition phase with a  4-2-4 flat midfield in Ball Possession  is very easy. But alternate  the 4-3-3 attacking midfield triangle manifestation of the 4-3-3, with the 4-2-4 and it is very complex. Arnie did well  coaching this  on the training ground in those last few weeks.

Hrustic himself  oscillated between sitting in the AM line with  Irvine ( as he advanced) in  the  4-3-3 midfield triangle.

At other times in the 4-2-4, Hrustic moved into a  central line with Duke, whilst Leckie and Boyle, played wide. 

Zonally in defence, it was hard for  Peru keeping track of the interchanging  roles of Hrustic and Irvine. It confused them.

Also, Australia easily  negated Peru's Ball Possession attacking  attacking  midfield triangle 4-3-3. Then in Ball Possession Opposition, the two Peruvian wingers dropped back in a line with their twin tens, or attacking mids, with Peru forming a 4-5-1 , 1:4 midfield formation in their BPO. This was easy for Australia to negate and predict.

When you read many of the old biographies by Socceroos, 1995 to 2004, they often lamented, they felt like they rarely won the big moments in the biggest games. Also, that they thought they were tactically inferior and naive in the big play off games, particularly compared   to South American opposition. These sentiments have also been advanced by  former Socceroos, post 2006, in Football Australia national conferences.

There also seem to be a couple of different camps of former GG Socceroos.

1. Those that constantly allude to the GG playing at many big European clubs. Many of these former Socceroos haven't undertaken much coach education in Australia, or, done any at all. Moreover, many of them live overseas.

2. This second camp would be rubbing their  hands with glee, that Australia is now that hard nosed, battle hardened, pragmatic, tactically adept  team unit, they wanted to be in their international careers. Many of these are involved in coaching in Aus, and have pursued coach education  in Australia.

Arnie stated this in his press conferences.

Even though the stadium was airconditioned, Arnie maintained the Peruvians would have been shocked by mid 40s heat outside.

Agree.

I'd certainly be interested in reading articles from a Peruvian perspective.   Even a link to the social media articles would be helpful.   

A quick look reveals very little. In fact most of their news sources I can find is more worried about FIFA right now and none of the recriminations that would take place in Australia.

Social media it's mainly Mexicans and Chileans digging their boots in which from what I can tell is the norm.

Chile I know about but didn't realise peru has a rivalry with Mexico. 

South American teams have dominated the playoffs in recent times. Uruguay won the 1st leg away to Costa Rica in 2010 and in 2014 they won the 1st leg away in Jordan 5-0. 4 years later Peru too strong for NZ.
The only South American failures were against Australia in 2006 and now 2022

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2022/07/17/gareca-quits-peru-failure-agree-salary-terms/

https://twitter.com/Socceroos/status/1570620471686885378?s=20&t=G2PeWrHFbbj48XosWaCeoA

Redders officially a Wiggle.

Amazing the embarrassing things a father will do for their kids 😂

When you have kids you know every one of those bloody songs off by heart. 

Check the T shirt in the comments. I want one.

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https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/watch-socceroos-sideline-australia-v-peru

Brilliant footage 

So cool. Thanks for posting.