That  may   be   one  reason .

Not   unlike   the  NPL  ,  which  was   (and   currently  still  is )  the   "second   tier  competition " ...

I'm half yanking your chain but it's funny that he sounds like an A-League club president already before the comp has started.

Yes but it's now going to be a consolidated national one instead of 7+ state based ones.

What's hard to get Tucker?

Without   conferences  and/or   tournament   format ?  

Goodnight ya old weirdo.

https://www.espn.com.au/football/australian-a-league-men/story/4750649/football-australias-national-second-division-is-going-to-happen-in-2023-ceo-james-johnson

3 years tops?

JJ has already decoupled the A League from the FA, if he happens to inject a NSD and completes the Transfer Fee economy, he will become the best most pro-active football CEO in Australian footballing history. Mind you his predecessors have set a low bar.

Yeah ,  what   did  they  do , other   than   build   a   circa  half  a  Billion   dollar   professional    football   league  from  scratch   in   15   short   years ...

A reply to the "A-League clubs will go bust if they get relegated" argument that circulates in online forums:

In 2004, 9 clubs were effectively "relegated" from the NSL, i.e. everyone except Perth Glory, Adelaide Utd, Newcastle and (kind of) Auckland Kingz, which morphed into NZ Knights. Of these 9 clubs, 7 survive to the present day: South Melbourne, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Olympic, Sydney United, Marconi, Wollongong Wolves and Brisbane Strikers. All except the Strikers (who now play in Queensland's second tier but were a state powerhouse until a couple of years ago) are in contention for spots in the NSD. 

Wolves and Strikers continued even though they were "non-ethnic" clubs that had been relatively recently founded (1980 and 1993, comparable to the length of time most A-League clubs have been around for). Even Northern Spirit continue in some form as NWS Spirit in NSW League One. Only Parramatta Power truly went defunct, because it was bankrolled by the NRL club and had no real support base. 

Of the other 29 clubs to participate in the NSL, 22 are still in operation, and 7 are defunct. The seven are Carlton SC, Canberra Cosmos, Newcastle Breakers, Collingwood Warriors, Footscray JUST, Newcastle KB United and Penrith City. Most were new entities that only lasted a couple of years (sometimes even less than that) before going bust, and most went bust while in the NSL, not after being demoted (Footscray being the exception here).

A list of other clubs that survived relegation/demotion from the NSL and continue to exist in the NPL pyramid today:
Adamstown Rosebud
Adelaide City
APIA Leichhardt
Blacktown City
Brisbane City
Brisbane Lions
Brunswick Juventus
Canberra City
Canterbury-Marrickville
Green Gully
Heidelberg United
Inter Monaro
Mooroolbark
Morwell Falcons (district league)
Parramatta Eagles
Preston Lions
St. George
Sunshine George Cross
Sydney City
West Adelaide
Western Suburbs (merged with APIA)
Wollongong United

During the A-League's history, three clubs have been demoted by having their license revoked (all after only a couple of seasons of playing in the A-League):
NZ Knights, had no further existence.
NQ Fury continued to exist for a while at state league level but was eventually brought down by the costs of travelling from Townsville to Brisbane for most of their away matches. They could be revived if the travel situation is resolved, or a potential owner wants to make a bid for an NSD slot.
Gold Coast United, regrouped and plays in the NPL today, and is a strong candidate for the NSD.

And this is clubs with much less resources at their disposal than current A-League clubs, and who had to drop down to state league level with no viable means of promotion back up to the tier. Apart from the two expansion sides, who have almost no fan base and could fail at any moment if their owners lose interest, I have every confidence that all ten established A-League clubs could withstand relegation to a national second division and push for promotion the following season. Some of their fanbase would naturally drop away, but the core would be likely to remain, and some might even be more engaged by pro/rel battles than if the team had nothing to play for. Anyone who's followed European football can recognise this.

Something about how JJ measures his words seems to scream "won't be a single tier H/A format" to me. My money is he's trying to push a group stage format on the clubs.

I’m curious where it will be placed in the summer or winter? 

 
All the quotes from NPL clubs indicate the opposite. The article specifically says that JJ has taken their views on things on board. 

The sticking point seems to be more the rumoured $750k licence fee. I can understand NPL clubs wanting to know what they are actually getting for that outlay. Is it just a bank guarantee to prove they won't go bust? Is it intended as an investment in the league (marketing, travel costs, etc.)? Or will the FA bank it to keep their balance-sheet positive?

And it would be a shame if the high fee pushes away clubs like Wollongong and GCU, and we end up just with cashed up Sydney and Melbourne sides. Perhaps some kind of contingency for regional-based clubs could be adopted.

I think winter would be better. This would enable pro/rel with the NPL right away, and give football-starved fans over the long A-League off-season high-quality games to watch.

The problem comes when pro/rel between the A-League and the NSD is on the table. But the solution there is for the A-League also to move to winter.

this thread is 5 years old and the league is no closer to p/r now, to back then .... the FA needs to go 

Hopefully they stick to their guns then

Would it make the a-league think twice with sticking around as an summer comp?

To be fair you had covid which stopped the world for two years 

The two sticking points will tell who won the battle.

Must be winter - if its in summer, the APL has won the battle, and it will always be a poor second cousin to the A League.

Initially no APL youth teams - if they win promotion in their right, good on them, but no free tickets.

If we have a winter competition with promotion and relegation, it will be the premier Australian football competition within 5 years, and the A League will die a natural death. This is the fear of the APL, and who can blame them for fighting the existential battle they have on their hands as best they can.

It's no closer to P&R, but there is a bit of good news out of the recent article.
There will be no youth teams in the 2nd tier (I noted JJ used the word "tier" again).
If that also means no A-League Reserves teams as well, then that's a pretty big step forward.
Of course, there is still a lot of mixed messaging about the timing.
All the planning is meant to be finalised by mid 2023, that seems to suggest it can't start in 2023 (unless it becomes a Summer comp).
But all in all, the A-League clubs have been stared down about one of their preferences, so we all have to accept that as positive news.

Yes , and  they   could   have  done    all   the   planning   in   that   time   when   they   had   little   else   to   do ...

The day this kicks off, the ONLY  topic of interest will be comparing NSD top team with ALM bottom.

P/R will be snowball from there.

Has anyone heard any details about if they've put requirements on stadium size, license cost, female teams, youth academy etc? Hope they can also bring in Canberra and Tassie

No criteria yet.

1. Model chosen
2. Criteria defined
3. Clubs choose whether to submit EOI
4. 'They' select the starting teams.

Need to wait at least for 1, (and probably 2) before an idea of who'll want in.

I'm all for the NSD, and along these lines (winter season, no youth teams initially) but this is fucking delusional.

It's a closed league, with a low salary cap, JJ decoupled it. What other ceo did that, and bring in all the sponsors and broadcast platforms after they lost just about all the previous sponsors and platform, like JJ has, in such a short time? Also, two marquees now for each team.
Are you, 'wait for it,' D Gallop?
No one else has the gumption to set up a NSD, reform youth structures and transfer fees among other areas of reform.

There have always been minimum 2 marquees per club. 
Initially one Aussie one foreign. 
That rule lasted 5-6 years. Then it just went to any two players as marquees. 
Foxtel along with FFA even brought in a third marquee that had to be marketable. "the Cahill rule"

Credit JJ all you like. Just make sure they're factual. 

They had heaps and heaps to do, they kept the comp going so we can watch it and staved off a greedy machine called fox sports pulling the pin, who re-negotiated a cheap deal when they saw a loophole in the contract during covid.

Ok  Footyball ,  you  go  and  build  a  circa  half  a  Billion   dollar   business  from  nothing   in  15  years ,  since  you  say  its   such  a  " low  bar " ...

Do what Jimmy Johnson has done so far you disruptor you. Love your determination, Ernie, take note!
Like me, do you wish you we Awer Mabil after that thunderbolt he struck??