What I can say where it should have been about the football and stories on the pitch it was about mostly off it and as an fan that’s seen the NSL as well this was an missed opportunity to grow the game together instead it was 1 step forward and 1 step back.

Of course it’s an minority that ruined it but like anything this should be investigated to see what happened and who was involved and for FA to apply the correct action.

Booing or making inappropriate noise such as the national anthem, ‘Welcome to Country’ which is an important recognition for the Indigenous Australians or any important moment should be respected regardless of what you believe in it or not.

It has been a sad and tumultuous twenty four hours for our code with the awful events at the match in Indonesia and the behaviour of some spectators at the Australia Cup final.In the first instance I have no idea what triggered the crowd violence in Indonesia-poor refereering,blatant foul play or a local derby which got out of hand or whatever- but it is tragic that so many people died or were injured at a football game.

As for the Australia Cup game idiot fans have given football a bad name.When Welcome to Country ceremonies became the vogue at sporting events I thought it was tokenistic but with the passage of time have come to accept it and respect it.First Nations people are making their presence felt in many parts of our society and good on them so give them some respect.I wasn't sure whether there was much booing due the lady's speech but certain elements of the crowd were restless and not paying her any attention.Again during the anthem there did seem to be a lot of background noise so the singer and the anthem were  being disrespected.

The game itself was good to watch and both sides played attractive football though Macarthur did dominate.SU could not finish off some excellent approach play but Macarthur also was guilty of poor finishing.Davila and DDS and Arzani showed their wares as did Noone when he came on.Nizic and the two SU centrebacks were tremendous as was Trifiro when he came on.The noise generated by the SU fans DURING the game gave it great atmosphere.

However the pregame bullshit behaviour has severely dented and possibly ruined any chance of SU being invited to join the NSD when this comes to pass.As unfair as this might be and it would indeed be challenged the Melbourne Knights chances of joining the NSD have also taken a nose dive in the eyes of many in the game.

If you can’t understand the importance of a Welcome To Country, I can only assume you’ve never spoken to a First Nations person. I highly recommend you seek out some resources from First Nations people about how indigenous  culture has been represented in their life time.

Indigenous culture is Australian culture. As a country, it’s our history and therefore our culture too. 

gtfo 1st nations we treated badly by colonialist no one is refuting that but fact are there 'culture' is outdated times have past on no one believes a 'rainbow bird' blesses the land of were Melbourne is. 

i hear lefties scream it is the 'oldest' living culture on the planet - that is not necessarily a good thing it should not be forced upon the majority of the population it brings no benefits - sure teach indigenous history it is our history but that is 'what it is' history it is not the future, Stop putting your british empire murdering guilt/slave trading on other Australias 

we no longer use horse and carts anymore to get around because 'times have changed' 

people act like 1st nations culture is this magical culture we must 'protect' which is a straight facts bullshit - i do agree we need to respect it and the cultures of 1st nations people and if SU58 was based on aboriginal or TSI heritage i'd be all for it but SU58 was a club built by Croats and im pretty sure MacArthur dont have a single 1st nations player on the list so why the fuck is it there...

lets not 'talk bullshit' and stick to facts it has no place in sport bar unless you want to have a '1st nations round' in respect to them that is a different story. 

i dont support the booing but to flat out blindly say we should continue with this pandering is flat out pointless and cringeworthy 

you can have an indigenous round i personally think Australia should have a 1st nation public holiday to commemorate there culture but lets keep the politics out of sport - as much as i condemn the idiots saluting i keep consistent saying we should keep political pandering to minorities out of the game  

Some in the Croatian community would argue that that is exactly what they were doing. Maybe its not as much a "feel good" story as the indigenous one but obviously these people feel aggrieved in some way. I dont agree with the way they express their ultra-nationalism and hate that some of them are clearly on the opposite end of the political spectrum to what I am but who are we to denounce something we dont understand? I feel sorry for all the poor kids of Croat ancestry at school today copping it from narrow minded, feel good SJW telling them how disgusting their ancestry and culture are.
If you say:
 "Indigenous culture is Australian culture. As a country, it’s our history and therefore our culture too"
then you must also say (if you believe in an form of social equality and that we are ALL Australian regardless of who are parents are)
"Croat/Serb/Italian/Chinese/Indian/Viet/Greek etc etc etc culture is Australian culture. As a country, it’s our history and therefore our culture too"
Otherwise you are preferring one "culture" over another based on nothing other than the ethnicity/race/demographic it represents... Isnt this more divisive than inclusive? I dont get it?

Can't comment on this as I dont watch much Aleague but nevertheless are you saying that Nazi salutes and fascist chants are somehow worse than violence to women and homophobic chants? I think, like Ive said before, that poor behaviour is poor behaviour regardless. 

Tsk, tsk what would your elders, past, present and emerging have to say about such blatant racism? Doesnt sound very welcoming to me to describe a bunch of clubs founded by migrants to these shores so dismissively as "Mediterranean games" especially not the ones founded by Britons, North Macedonians, Portuguese for example.

Keep spinning those wheels turbo, your outrage is only going to make the uniting of ALL clubs in Australia so much sweeter when/if it finally happens.... 

What about asians, Italians, Greeks, Africans, Irish, Catholics, Muslims, homosexuals, trans, non binaries, greyhounds, dwarfs, pixies, gremlins etc? They have all been on the receiving end of evil Anglo white oppression, should we have a ‘welcome to <whatever cause>’ to help ignorant white Anglo Aussies understand the trauma and suffering they’ve dished out to all these poor marginalised groups? How about a mini Mardi Gras as part of the pre game entertainment? 

I have no problem with the ‘welcome to country’ in certain contexts and special events (ie wallabies), but it’s clear that the Australia Cup final is not the right context. Soccer is truly international and any pre game tribute should embrace those cultures that have truly contributed to football in Australia rather than box ticking exercise form FFA.  If they do it then it should be short and sweet rather than mine numbing drivel that bird served up on Saturday night. It was total cringe.

I don't know what you mean by "violence to women" in terms of the a league, are you referring to a particular incident? 

And yes, I would say Nazi/fascist sentiment is by far the worst thing I have ever seen linked to football in this country, bar none.   Being pro fascist is basically saying you advocate for the murder of millions of people for being a certain race.  It's not even a contest dude.

I farkin loathe fascism in any form, one grandfather was gaoled and another died fighting it.... Absolutely no argument from me but still .... and again ..... I dont think most of these wannabees actually understand what they are actually chanting... It doesnt excuse it not in the least, but its just loutish behaviour in my opinion.... no different than below or any other "stain on the game".. The fact that this has brought out such ugliness from the "see I told you wogs are bad" crowd in this country just makes me so sad
https://thewomensgame.com/news/not-acceptable---ugly-fan-antics-overshadow-city-w-league-win-559832

I have heard them sing Ubi, Ubi, Ubi Serbi at football....which translates to Kill, Kill, Kill serbs. 

Ripping a flare and this is not even in the same solar system let alone ball park.

Hilarious anyone in football saying they're shocked - complete BS. FFS, it's so utterly predictable - there were nazi salutes and imagery at the semi ffs. You mean the guys taking nazi motifs and throwing hitler salutes, racist chanting with no percussions and frankly support from their clubs did this?

Wow how surprising. Never saw that coming.

Well they are "Always ready" hahahahahahah

Their favourite chant at Somers Street used to be "Id rather be an Abo than a Greek" hahahahahahahahah

Mate agree with all that but non stop welcome to country's will make it tokenistic and will lead to people to disrespect it. Like they already are.

My wife was telling me at every single staff meeting they have, one a week, they do a welcome to country. In a staff room with a dozen people.

Give me a break. Unnecessary.

I' ve   seen    a   few   comments   like   this.

So   why   didn' t   FA    see    it    coming ?   

And   why    wasn' t    it   prevented ?

pretty much this were is the 'welcome' to everyone else who has been treated like shit by the british 

There is no outrage on my part, I'm going to the football this Saturday night to watch the mighty SFC smash those AFL loving Melbourians (victory).
I'm going with all my Aussie mates, whose forefathers range from Portuguese, Serbian, English, Dutch, Croatian, Italian, Irish, Ukrainians & yes even a few Greeks, one or two even have some Aboriginal blood, but we all Aussies cheering for an Aussie team without feeling like a victim.

Thats a lot of mates there turbo, sounds like you'll have a lot of fun.
Hope they are not ALL imaginary and at least one or two of them are real people.
Enjoy your "Super Blue Bash Bonanza" or whatever you plastics call the first round of your pretend summer series these days. For your sake I hope hooligans from the Cave or Horta dont decide to try and outdo the part timers from a poor little Mediterranean league and spoil the Aussie atmosphere for you. I doubt they could even if they tried, looked like those guys ringing cow bells and Mexican shirts for some reason only numbered like 300 or so max.... 

Well the difference is one mob was here first so there's that.

Unfortunately, MSC, this incident has only reinforced why we needed an A League.  

Sydney United 58 given a show-cause notice
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/oct/03/football-australia-starts-disciplinary-action-against-sydney-united-58-over-fascist-songs-and-salutes-from-fans

You are struggling mate, I'm sorry, no AFL, no NPL no Greece in WC (but then you should be used to that, even the pathetic Australian A -League  has produced more WCs than Greece!!! Enjoy your mediocrity.

Yeah you’re 100% right about football in Australia being known for its embracing of cultures from all over the world……except if your club happens to have a Greek, Italian, Croatian, Macedonian or any other migrant background. In that case the well known racist phrase  ‘fuck off we’re full’ applies to you. Football Australia hides behind all this inclusivity, diversity and WTC rubbish whilst clubs tagged ‘ethnic’ are left rotting away and made to feel like outsiders so spare me with your lets get more indigenous people involved in our beautiful and inclusive game. 

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2021/02/welcome-to-country-bogus-but-preferable/

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/04/brand-new-timeless-traditions/?fbclid=IwAR2t1amgtnD9PZmIkw9dfLCyXVpYSS-JX0pcGciz5tHF_CdG26-ndZT1tsI

Make of this what you will. Fact or Fiction? 

Lets just say the authors list for the Quadrant site and a quick perusal of some of their offerings gives me no confidence in being able to accept what is communicated without a fair amount of checking against other sources across the spectrum of views.

On the matter of historical welcoming practices there has been anthropological articles written that indicate the purposes and processes for these across Australia and it is clear that they did exist.  That they were different in purpose to the 40 year old forms currently practiced is also clear.

SU58 have a show cause noticed served to them since the incidents over the weekend. Not upset by it I must say.

Fark man, stop pointing out the truth about society's warmth, many prefer to live in a fantasy world and think its all beautiful, like afl.
Btw, welcome to country fellow citizens, even if you were born here, are land owners and pay hefty taxes that go to all sorts of causes, desirable or not.
Be sure to come in, take your shoes off, stay alittle then kindly leave, as I don't want to put up with your visitation for too long. Have a great stay. 
To some, a smoke ceremony is seen as a pagan ritual. Not accepted by everyone, seen as woke as well, being imposed upon athletes, from here or overseas coming to compete, having to put up with it. 

Cmon mate, those clubs could barely fill a trough let alone a football stadium. Everyone gets sentimental about the NSL but the reality is the A league at its worst is still better than the NSL at its best. Additionally you had ethnic and non ethnic clubs come and go ay the behest of a stiff breeze, the FFA just took that rationale and applied it to all the current clubs and found that only a few clubs were commercially fit, not un-ironically the clubs that didtn play on cow paddocks and could more than 2-3k bums on seats. From recollection South didnt even apply for a license or were under significant financial pressure at the time, therefore there was no protest at the time when they weren’t admitted.

There’s nothing about the A league or FFA that says “fuck off we’re full” this is just mantra from die hard NSL aficianodes who hate the fact the game went mainstream and anglos stole their sport. Maybe the FFA could do a better job of honouring/recognising old soccer but thats pretty much what the Australia Cup is supposed to do.

Does this fall under the "all news is good new??" 🤔